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siss
05-01-2010, 02:19 PM
If you were Ben would you consider this the worst hangover ever.

Florida_Steelers_Fan
05-01-2010, 03:11 PM
For me it's dissappointing that Hines would say the six games is justified.

we'll see how he feels about this if footballs aren't thrown his way those first 6 weeks of the season...

i must be honest, the more i think about this suspension the dumber it gets... 2 games would have been fair, but 6 games for being guilty of using terribly poor judgment isn't fair...

mesaSteeler
05-01-2010, 11:12 PM
Steigerwald: Two lessons on handling fame
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_679172.html#
By John Steigerwald
FOR THE VALLEY NEWS DISPATCH
Sunday, May 2, 2010

I'm not going to mention his name.

I know that you are as tired of hearing about a certain Steelers quarterback as I am of writing about him, but I couldn't help thinking about Whatshisname when I came across two stories about professional athletes who could teach him a thing or two about how to handle fame.

The first one comes from Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post.

I'm guessing that you're aware that the Washington Capitals lost a pretty big game Thursday night.

That's why the Montreal Canadiens are in town this weekend.

Brooks Laich scored the Capitals only goal in that loss, but he had every right to be in a foul mood after the game.

Picture Whatshisname doing this:

Steinberg writes: "So the Wangemann's (Mary Ann and her 14 year-old daughter Lorraine, who had been at the game.) were driving home to Auburn and they got on the Roosevelt Bridge, trying to remain optimistic about the future of the team. Then they hit a pothole and got a flat tire. Perfect ending to the night.

Mary Ann pulled over to the side of the bridge and called AAA. They said they had a heavy volume of calls and that they weren't sure how long it would take to send help. Mary Ann and Lorraine, still wearing their Caps gear, got out of the car and watched the traffic whiz by.

Finally, an SUV slowed down and pulled over. And then Brooks Laich got out and asked them if he could help."

Steinberg goes on to write that Mary Ann (who recognized Laich right away) said she would appreciate it if he would just stay with them until AAA arrived, and that there was no need for him to change the tire.

Laich asked if they had a jack and he changed their tire.

How many people, who hadn't lost the biggest game of their lives an hour earlier, passed the two women by and never considered pulling over to help them?

Laich, still wearing his post game suit, took about 40 minutes to change the tire. He told Mary Ann to drive slowly on the way home and to listen for any rattling sounds. When Mary Ann said she didn't know how she could possibly thank him, Laich said, "I'm sure you'll do something nice for somebody in the future."

Then he hugged them and drove off.

- A former Pittsburgher, Pat Bruce, now living in South Carolina, posted this story on my website.

"This past year, a daughter of a friend of mine (from Philadelphia) broke her back and couldn't play for her high school's girls hockey team. Her father wanted to lift her spirits and asked me if I knew anyone at the Penguins who could get him an autographed picture of Sidney Crosby.

I called your brother, Paul, and he said he could get her in to watch the practice, but that's all he could promise.

On the day after Christmas, they went to a Penguins practice. After the practice, Crosby skated over to where the girl was standing and said, 'Hi. I'm Sidney Crosby, what's your name? Then Crosby smiled and said, 'I would like to take a picture with you. Would you mind?'

The father was quick to point out that Sidney didn't say, 'Would you like your picture taken with ME -— he said I would like my picture taken with YOU.'

Later that night my friend, who is a major executive at a Fortune 100 company) called and said, 'Pat, I want you and Paul to know that I have been all over the world, have met all kinds of people and never in my life have I been more impressed with a young man. Not only did he make my daughter forget her broken back, he made her feel like HE was meeting her and not the other way around'.

Keep in mind he was talking about the greatest hockey player on the planet, who took the time to brighten a 14 year-old girl's life. No media. No press release. No written statements, just a young guy doing the right thing at the right time."

So there you have it.

Two stories about professional athletes interacting with women and you don't feel like you need to take a shower.

You shouldn't be surprised that the stories involve hockey players. Ask anybody who covers sports in a town with teams in at least three of the four major leagues and they will tell you that hockey players are the nicest, most down to Earth athletes to deal with.

Is there something about hockey that keeps players grounded?

I don't know. Maybe it's all those guys with small town values.

Crosby is from Cole Harbor, Nova Scotia and Laich is from Medicine Hat, Alberta.

I'll bet if you asked either of their parents, they would tell you that the stories don't surprise them. I'd also be willing to bet that, in Medicine Hat, Alberta, they would wonder why anybody would be surprised at what Brooks Laich did.

Out there, it's EXPECTED of him.

John Steigerwald can be reached at jsteigerwald@comcast.net or .

SteelCityMom
05-01-2010, 11:27 PM
I know Laich did a real nice thing and all...and I was impressed with it when I first heard about, but I had to just laugh now. It took him 40 minutes to change a tire? LOL.

Steigerwald still doesn't know his stuff I guess...two women standing on the side of the road at night, you KNOW Ben would have stopped. :wink02:

siss
05-01-2010, 11:31 PM
Steggy needs to shut the hell up.

Florida_Steelers_Fan
05-01-2010, 11:41 PM
I'd bet my left stone there is someone out there with a positive Ben story... The throw "whatshisname" under the bus stuff continues (shakes head)...

fansince'76
05-01-2010, 11:47 PM
Steggy needs to shut the hell up.

His "article" in a nutshell:

I'm not going to mention his name.

I know that you are as tired of hearing about a certain Steelers quarterback as I am of writing about him, but since I have to write something to try and justify my job and I lack the talent to issue forth anything that resembles actual journalism, I guess I'll bore you with two completely irrelevant stories to needlessly and redundantly reiterate for the ten millionth time what a not nice guy he is.

:blah: :blah: :blah:

:blah: :blah: :blah:

:blah: :blah: :blah:

End article.

siss
05-01-2010, 11:51 PM
Ben must have stolen his girlfriend.

SteelKnight
05-02-2010, 12:52 AM
For me it's dissappointing that Hines would say the six games is justified.

Can't you see this is all just a media set up? He was asked a question. That's like saying you feel disappointed the Rooneys said it was justified. The media are just looking for a story. Clearly he supports Ben.

The team in general has decided for the pride of the teelers shield that they will say that Ben made mistakes, should be disciplined for his mistakes, support the commisioner and will be behind Ben's chance to redeem himself.

It's stupid. What are they going to do? Ask each player? If they ever find one that says it is not justified, that will be a bigger story. They will try to create some disharmony. "Are you saying you support Ben's behavior?" "Are you saying the commishis a bad unjust man?" "I there divide in the locker room with some for Ben and some against him?" "Should Steeler fans be upset with the commish?" Yada, Yada. All unnecessary drama. When Hines said he thinks it is justified, they had LESS of a story...not more. Also if he refused to talk about, they would have created drama out of that like there is a discomfort or secrecy.

Stone
05-02-2010, 02:29 PM
If anything, Steigerwald should be paying Ben royalties for all the stories he is doing on the guy. What would he write about otherwise?

WH
05-02-2010, 02:40 PM
If anything, Steigerwald should be paying Ben royalties for all the stories he is doing on the guy. What would he write about otherwise? His failed career?

Prok
05-02-2010, 02:43 PM
If anything, Steigerwald should be paying Ben royalties for all the stories he is doing on the guy. What would he write about otherwise?


True dat. The guy piled on as fast as he could and got a bigger audience to read his drivel. I hope he's happy that he did his part to help try and destroy Ben's rep.

Prok
05-02-2010, 02:46 PM
Hines could have shut his mouth just like he should have done before the at Balt game instead of blabbering on like a baby on NBC..

Speaking of which: I did lose a little respect for Hines when he did that. He should be talking to Ben behind the scenes to iron things out IMO.

zulater
05-02-2010, 03:54 PM
I think I finally figured out how to best put things in perspective of what probably happened that night. Buyers remorse. Or in other words, a normally decent girl goes out and decides she wants to be a little naughty for a change. Gets fueled up on jello shots and puts on her bad girl name tag. Happens upon a celeb, decides to go for the ride. At the end of the night she's too drunk to perform or maybe gets cold feet ( remember no DNA so likely no intercourse) and Ben dismisses her rudely afterwards. Now she feels like a fool, perhaps even violated in some respect. Oh so she was violated you say, that means Ben is guilty of some form of misconduct even if there was no intercourse. No, she feels used and violated, but it was of her own doing and she's further humilated at that thought.

Let me give you a good parallel. A man goes into a strip club to meet some friends and have a drink But this guy derails, instead of leaving in an hour like his buddies he falls prey to his own vanity and fanatasy and torches his plastic to the tune of about 1000 bucks + and he comes nowhere close to getting laid by the object of his desire and consequently walks away sad, lonely, and broke at the end of the night. He feels like a chump, an idiot, even slightly used, a victim. But is anyone feeling sorry for him? Of course not. He's a grown man, he knew better, but did it anyway. Live and learn idiot. ( and I did:chuckle::wink02:)


But now getting back to our young lady. Here she is feeling humiliated and used by Big Ben, and along come her sorority sisters*. Now we have a dillema, when they ask what hapenned, (all the while suggesting that you were violated), do you tell the truth and become the house sl-ut. Or do you follow along with their suggestion and by their lead become the victim?

Just a thought.


* the sorority sister that reportedly most drove the accusations against Ben showed predisposition against him earliar in the night openly reffering to him as a rapist, and thus was kicked out of the VIP area by Ben and his entourage.

bump

zulater
05-02-2010, 03:56 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/why-big-ben-really-deserved-the-suspension

According to the "witnesses," Roethlisberger's bodyguards dragged the accuser to the bathroom, blocked the entrance into the bathroom and Roethlisberger approached the accuser with his penis exposed.

Once these accounts were introduced as "evidence" into the court of public opinion, broadcasters and pundits had all the ammo they needed to convict Ben as "disgusting" and call for Goodell to take swift and hard action.

It was completely irresponsible. Statements made by drunken sorority girls are not facts. Statements made by sober sorority girls about an evening spent bar-hopping and drinking are not facts.

Late last week I received an e-mail from a former sorority president and current advisor to a sorority. She warned me that the media were being foolish for believing the allegations of drunken 20-somethings. She explained what she'd witnessed firsthand as a student and what she now deals with as an advisor.

Some young women use alcohol as an excuse to be sexually aggressive at fraternity houses and nightclubs and then quickly concoct a story of sexual assault when confronted by their disapproving peers. Most of these allegations never make it to police headquarters. The allegations are too sketchy and the accuser's immediate jury of peers reject them.

"I don't believe a bunch of hammered sorority girls in this situation," the former sorority president wrote. "I've seen too much bad behavior amongst them. It's all about having fun and then making sure you're not held accountable and your reputation is still good."

Big Ben's accuser was allegedly wearing a name tag that read DTF -- "down to f---." She engaged in a lewd and highly flirtatious conversation with Roethlisberger.


I know this has already been posted, but I think it's relevant to your post.

At some point Ben's reputation is going to have to be rehabilitated. Someone in a position of prominence has to get the right information out in the right way so that the general consensus of the public is that Ben was suspended for using poor judgement, and not being punished by the league for a rape that happened but couldn't be proved by authorities. Which sad to say is exactly where things stand now. bump

siss
05-03-2010, 10:21 AM
And now for some good news. Someone needs to send this article to Steggy.


PITTSBURGH - Despite his off-field troubles, two local branches of national children’s charities are standing by Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

Executives with Make-a-Wish and Ronald McDonald House told FOXSports.com that Roethlisberger is welcome to continue participating in their activities. Roethlisberger was recently suspended six games by the NFL for violating the league’s personal conduct policy following inappropriate behavior at a Milledgeville, Ga. bar in March.

Judith Stone, the president and CEO of the Pittsburgh Make-A-Wish branch, admits she was “heartbroken and very surprised” when details surfaced about Roethlisberger’s alleged actions and sexual misconduct. Stone, though, said that incident has no bearing on the work Roethlisberger does with her foundation. Roethlisberger is one of the most frequently requested Make-a-Wish athletes among children with life-threatening illnesses.

“Our relationship with Ben is exactly as it has always been. Nothing has changed,” Stone said. “It’s the child’s wish. Of all the wishes in the whole world, if they want to meet Big Ben, that’s the wish.”

Stone said Roethlisberger has hosted Make-A-Wish children for four years at Steelers home games. She described him as being “wonderful with our special-needs kids.”

“He’s met with kids from all over country, not just our chapter,” Stone said. “He’s a hot commodity.”

Roethlisberger also is the honorary local chairman of Ronald McDonald House Charities, which help provide financial assistance to in-need children with medical problems. Roethlisberger’s foundation has donated $15,000 to the group. He also has provided expensive dinners for families staying inside the house.

“He is so good with our kids,” Ronald McDonald House Charities of Pittsburgh executive director Barbara Reed Martin said. “When he talks to them, he makes them feel as if they were the only person in the room. When a kid isn’t feeling good, he knows exactly what they need to hear to feel better.”

Asked about whether the claims made against Roethlisberger would impact his work with Ronald McDonald House, Martin said, “We don’t really know what happened (in Milledgeville) ... We want to invite anybody who cares about the well-being of kids and their families to work with us. He’s definitely in that category.”

As part of his NFL suspension, Roethlisberger is required to undergo a “comprehensive behavioral evaluation by medical professionals” before being allowed to resume practicing with the Steelers. Roethlisberger was accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year-old college student in a nightclub bathroom but criminal charges weren’t filed after a police investigation.

Roethlisberger is still slated to conduct his annual youth football camp for boys and girls ages 7 to 14 from June 21 to 23 in Mars, Penn

Stone
05-03-2010, 10:54 AM
And now for some good news. Someone needs to send this article to Steggy.


PITTSBURGH - Despite his off-field troubles, two local branches of national children’s charities are standing by Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

Executives with Make-a-Wish and Ronald McDonald House told FOXSports.com that Roethlisberger is welcome to continue participating in their activities. Roethlisberger was recently suspended six games by the NFL for violating the league’s personal conduct policy following inappropriate behavior at a Milledgeville, Ga. bar in March.

Judith Stone, the president and CEO of the Pittsburgh Make-A-Wish branch, admits she was “heartbroken and very surprised” when details surfaced about Roethlisberger’s alleged actions and sexual misconduct. Stone, though, said that incident has no bearing on the work Roethlisberger does with her foundation. Roethlisberger is one of the most frequently requested Make-a-Wish athletes among children with life-threatening illnesses.

“Our relationship with Ben is exactly as it has always been. Nothing has changed,” Stone said. “It’s the child’s wish. Of all the wishes in the whole world, if they want to meet Big Ben, that’s the wish.”

Stone said Roethlisberger has hosted Make-A-Wish children for four years at Steelers home games. She described him as being “wonderful with our special-needs kids.”

“He’s met with kids from all over country, not just our chapter,” Stone said. “He’s a hot commodity.”

Roethlisberger also is the honorary local chairman of Ronald McDonald House Charities, which help provide financial assistance to in-need children with medical problems. Roethlisberger’s foundation has donated $15,000 to the group. He also has provided expensive dinners for families staying inside the house.

“He is so good with our kids,” Ronald McDonald House Charities of Pittsburgh executive director Barbara Reed Martin said. “When he talks to them, he makes them feel as if they were the only person in the room. When a kid isn’t feeling good, he knows exactly what they need to hear to feel better.”

Asked about whether the claims made against Roethlisberger would impact his work with Ronald McDonald House, Martin said, “We don’t really know what happened (in Milledgeville) ... We want to invite anybody who cares about the well-being of kids and their families to work with us. He’s definitely in that category.”

As part of his NFL suspension, Roethlisberger is required to undergo a “comprehensive behavioral evaluation by medical professionals” before being allowed to resume practicing with the Steelers. Roethlisberger was accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year-old college student in a nightclub bathroom but criminal charges weren’t filed after a police investigation.

Roethlisberger is still slated to conduct his annual youth football camp for boys and girls ages 7 to 14 from June 21 to 23 in Mars, Penn


Siss, you beat me to it, I was just going to post that one. Steigerwald will have a coronary! :wink02:

siss
05-03-2010, 10:56 AM
I tried to send it to him on his blog. I don't think he will post it though.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
05-03-2010, 03:06 PM
Some more good news. Ben should be able to rejoin the team soon.

Steelers hope Roethlisberger could return for OTAs in June

By Jason La Canfora | NFL Network

Some in the Pittsburgh Steelers' organization are optimistic that suspended quarterback Ben Roethlisberger could return for organized team activities next month.

The best-case scenario for both sides would be for NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to allow Roethlisberger to return for the final two weeks of OTAs in June. The Steelers expect Roethlisberger to be gone at least for the duration of May, according to a source, and there are no guarantees he would be back for June, but team officials quietly hope he could return by then.

Roethlisberger is undergoing league-mandated evaluations because of his actions in regards to sexual-assault allegations that didn't lead to criminal charges against him. The Steelers fully supported Goodell's April ruling, which included a six-game suspension that could escalate or decrease to four games based on the quarterback's conduct and compliance. Goodell also said Roethlisberger can't participate in the Steelers' offseason activities until he completes the evaluations and is cleared by the league.

Roethlisberger missed last weekend's minicamp, but pending the evaluation results, he could participate in the final stages of offseason work. The Steelers have OTAs scheduled June 1-3 and June 8-10.

Goodell determined that Roethlisberger had violated the NFL's personal-conduct policy and handed down the punishment after prosecutors decided not to charge the quarterback in a case involving a 20-year-old female college student who accused him of sexually assaulting her in a Milledgeville, Ga., nightclub on March 5.

"I recognize that the allegations in Georgia were disputed and that they did not result in criminal charges being filed against you," Goodell said in a letter to Roethlisberger last month. "My decision today is not based on a finding that you violated Georgia law, or on a conclusion that differs from that of the local prosecutor. That said, you are held to a higher standard as an NFL player, and there is nothing about your conduct in Milledgeville that can remotely be described as admirable, responsible, or consistent with either the values of the league or the expectations of our fans."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d817ef404&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Third Rail
05-03-2010, 03:31 PM
Glad Ben is finally getting some GOOD press. It's about time.

WVUSteelers
05-03-2010, 08:28 PM
I know this is probably weird to ask in a thread about him and his cases, but, did anyone see his new helmet that he's wearing? Could it be because of concussion prevention?

NEPAsteeler
05-03-2010, 08:32 PM
I know this is probably weird to ask in a thread about him and his cases, but, did anyone see his new helmet that he's wearing? Could it be because of concussion prevention?

I saw the different helment as well. I think that's just the new style of helmet a lot of players are wearing. It's Riddell's new "Revo Speed" line of helmets. I'm sure they're more "concussion proof".

HometownGal
05-03-2010, 09:16 PM
And now for some good news. Someone needs to send this article to Steggy.


PITTSBURGH - Despite his off-field troubles, two local branches of national children’s charities are standing by Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

Executives with Make-a-Wish and Ronald McDonald House told FOXSports.com that Roethlisberger is welcome to continue participating in their activities. Roethlisberger was recently suspended six games by the NFL for violating the league’s personal conduct policy following inappropriate behavior at a Milledgeville, Ga. bar in March.

Judith Stone, the president and CEO of the Pittsburgh Make-A-Wish branch, admits she was “heartbroken and very surprised” when details surfaced about Roethlisberger’s alleged actions and sexual misconduct. Stone, though, said that incident has no bearing on the work Roethlisberger does with her foundation. Roethlisberger is one of the most frequently requested Make-a-Wish athletes among children with life-threatening illnesses.

“Our relationship with Ben is exactly as it has always been. Nothing has changed,” Stone said. “It’s the child’s wish. Of all the wishes in the whole world, if they want to meet Big Ben, that’s the wish.”

Stone said Roethlisberger has hosted Make-A-Wish children for four years at Steelers home games. She described him as being “wonderful with our special-needs kids.”

“He’s met with kids from all over country, not just our chapter,” Stone said. “He’s a hot commodity.”

Roethlisberger also is the honorary local chairman of Ronald McDonald House Charities, which help provide financial assistance to in-need children with medical problems. Roethlisberger’s foundation has donated $15,000 to the group. He also has provided expensive dinners for families staying inside the house.

“He is so good with our kids,” Ronald McDonald House Charities of Pittsburgh executive director Barbara Reed Martin said. “When he talks to them, he makes them feel as if they were the only person in the room. When a kid isn’t feeling good, he knows exactly what they need to hear to feel better.”

Asked about whether the claims made against Roethlisberger would impact his work with Ronald McDonald House, Martin said, “We don’t really know what happened (in Milledgeville) ... We want to invite anybody who cares about the well-being of kids and their families to work with us. He’s definitely in that category.”

As part of his NFL suspension, Roethlisberger is required to undergo a “comprehensive behavioral evaluation by medical professionals” before being allowed to resume practicing with the Steelers. Roethlisberger was accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year-old college student in a nightclub bathroom but criminal charges weren’t filed after a police investigation.

Roethlisberger is still slated to conduct his annual youth football camp for boys and girls ages 7 to 14 from June 21 to 23 in Mars, Penn

:applaudit: :thumbsup: :applaudidt:

About damned time Ben gets some much deserved good press. Though he clearly has some issues he needs to deal with, he isn't the rotten, evil bastard that the media is trying to paint him as.

Suck an egg Steigy. :upyours:

tony hipchest
05-03-2010, 09:31 PM
bens lawyer wrote this booty kissing letter to the commish before the suspension-

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/05/02/offseason/1.html

I've come into possession of the letter sent by David Cornwell, the attorney for Ben Roethlisberger, to the commissioner after Roger Goodell met with Roethlisberger in April and before Goodell issued his sanction against the Steelers quarterback for his loutish behavior. It's interesting to me for a couple of reasons. Goodell and Cornwell used to work together in the NFL office and are friendly; the letter has a familiar but legal tone to it befitting a lawyer comfortable giving frank advice and opinion to his former league peer.

Sports Illustrated's Jack McCallum has a Roethlisberger story in the magazine coming out this week, with the help of some fine SI reporting. When you read the piece, you'll understand, I think, why both Cornwell and Goodell thought this shouldn't be your garden-variety suspension, but rather a suspension paired with counseling.

The letter, dated April 15, reads in part:




Dear Commissioner Goodell:

I am confident that we share the same view of the men who play professional football. While the public sees men of extraordinary athletic prowess, rarely is there any acknowledgement of the years of physical and mental preparation or the commitment that is made merely to be in the position to compete on Sundays. This pervasive blind spot tends to cause the public and the media to focus primarily on the football player and not the man who plays football. But, we know better.

My view is that too often there is an inverse relationship between the player's talent and the man's ability to confront and overcome challenges of life away from the game. I have gotten to know Ben extremely well over the past year. Watching Ben off the field has given me great insight into why he has been so successful on it. Ben's rectilinear approach and his method of analysis -- processing things as a quarterback so that he is in control -- have served him well as a football player, but this singular focus is the primary reason that he is facing the challenges that he currently confronts. Life cedes control to no man.

Though I could not have predicted these specifics, I am not surprised that Ben is dealing with a challenge of personal development. His passion for football and the remarkable success resulting from his commitment to the game necessarily means that he has compromised his development in other areas. No person has unlimited capacity. I believe that Ben's challenge is to channel some of the energy he has committed to becoming an extraordinary player into becoming an equally extraordinary person.

While Ben's sexual activities may offend some, anyone would have been hard pressed to predict that Ben's actions would have resulted in such vicious and false allegations. Ben bears exclusive responsibility for the consequences of his choices, but that does not mean that these particular consequences were foreseeable. Whether it is in the privacy of a hotel room or in the more risky environment of a semi-public restroom, a false allegation of rape simply is not within the zone of the foreseeable consequences of consensual sex.

There are two prongs to the intended effect of discipline. One is to discourage repetition of the offending behavior. The other is to encourage behavior that is more consistent with accepted principles and/or established procedures. What Ben should not have done is abundantly clear. What he should have done differently remains elusive. None of the numerous people with whom I have discussed this matter has offered a tangible alternative to the choices that Ben made other than to suggest that Ben "make better choices" in the future.

I cannot fathom how a suspension or any other form of traditional discipline will help Ben make a better choice the next time he decides to have consensual sex. The difficulty that Ben had in articulating a distinction between the risks associated with private and semi-public sex is the product of the undeniable similarity between the Reno and Georgia accusations, even though one event occurred in the privacy of Ben's hotel room and the other in a semi-public bathroom.

As you consider your options, I hope you will focus on an approach that establishes a direct nexus between your response and the issue to which it responds. Whether I am considering these options as Ben's advocate or as the person who has had the privilege of engaging in frank discussions with you unburdened by our professional affiliations, I am unable to discern a link between a suspension and any useful lesson or message that would tend to alter Ben's conduct in the future.

This is one of the more challenging conduct issues that you have confronted because the fundamental issue does not involve an arrest or criminal charges. This is an issue of lifestyle and the need to develop the tools and a method for addressing the unique challenges and opportunities that flow from the stature and celebrity enjoyed by the men who play football. I trust Ben's private conversation with you gave you a glimpse into the difficulty he had in distinguishing who he is from what he does. The public and media have yet to master this distinction. In considering where all of this will lead us, I take comfort in knowing that Ben is not the first 28 year old man to confront the reality of his actions being inconsistent with his values. Luckily, most of us have the benefit of navigating the treacherous waters of maturation outside of the glare of the media and the public.

Following a recent disciplinary hearing, you and I discussed privately your commitment to address each case based on its unique set of facts, without regard for the rancor of the public and the press. I know your commitment remains unchanged. We have also discussed my view that under certain circumstances imposing traditional discipline following a meeting between you and a player tends to devalue the impact of your unique qualities as Commissioner. While your authority emanates from the NFL Constitution and Bylaws, your effectiveness is the product of your ability to connect with the men who play the game in a manner that neither of your predecessors enjoyed.

The nuanced and dynamic nature of the issues that got us here requires an equally nuanced and dynamic response. I look forward to continuing our discussions so that we can structure such an appropriate response.

Very truly yours,

DC

Florida_Steelers_Fan
05-03-2010, 09:40 PM
All this does is mask the idea that Ben has made some poor choices and doesn't want to take ownership of them. Except it took ten paragraphs to enunciate it...

He may be a great quarterback, but that doesn't excuse his behavior, which is what this letter is trying to achieve... the "Ben doesn't understand his decisions" stuff just doesn't fly with me, which is why he got 6 games. Actually, I think this letter does NOT help Ben's cause, but actually worsens it...

zulater
05-03-2010, 09:53 PM
All this does is mask the idea that Ben has made some poor choices and doesn't want to take ownership of them. Except it took ten paragraphs to enunciate it...

He may be a great quarterback, but that doesn't excuse his behavior, which is what this letter is trying to achieve... the "Ben doesn't understand his decisions" stuff just doesn't fly with me, which is why he got 6 games. Actually, I think this letter does NOT help Ben's cause, but actually worsens it...

He got 6 games because Goodell is an egomanicial douchebag who's more in love with his own image than meting out actual justice based on the specifics of the case. Doing what's right isn't always about doing what's immediatly most popular with the press and the public. This ruling will come back to haunt the league many times over in the years ahead.


:coffee:

Shea
05-03-2010, 10:24 PM
He got 6 games because Goodell is an egomanicial douchebag who's more in love with his own image than meting out actual justice based on the specifics of the case. Doing what's right isn't always about doing what's immediatly most popular with the press and the public. This ruling will come back to haunt the league many times over in the years ahead.


:coffee:


No, he got six games because he's a prick that needs a serious slap across the back of his head to wake his dumbass up.

For a few years now, I've ignored the numerous rumors about Ben but I can't any longer.

People, and I seriously don't mean to offend anyone, but he's the turd that has long been rumoured he was.

Honest to god, some of you guys would still find a way to dismiss his behavior and ignore what is now evident about what kind of person he is, even if he lit an orphanage on fire. :noidea:

When he gets back on the field, I will root for him because I love the Steelers - and actually love watching him play his position - but other than that, I kinda can't wait til his playing days are done. I'm so tired of him already.

43Hitman
05-03-2010, 11:07 PM
No, he got six games because he's a prick that needs a serious slap across the back of his head to wake his dumbass up.

For a few years now, I've ignored the numerous rumors about Ben but I can't any longer.

People, and I seriously don't mean to offend anyone, but he's the turd that has long been rumoured he was.

Honest to god, some of you guys would still find a way to dismiss his behavior and ignore what is now evident about what kind of person he is, even if he lit an orphanage on fire. :noidea:

When he gets back on the field, I will root for him because I love the Steelers - and actually love watching him play his position - but other than that, I kinda can't wait til his playing days are done. I'm so tired of him already.

So, what if he uses this error in judgment and subsequent suspension to change his ways? I'll support him as long as he's trying to make better decisions and is fulfilling his requirement set forth by the league.

zulater
05-03-2010, 11:17 PM
No, he got six games because he's a prick that needs a serious slap across the back of his head to wake his dumbass up.

For a few years now, I've ignored the numerous rumors about Ben but I can't any longer.

People, and I seriously don't mean to offend anyone, but he's the turd that has long been rumoured he was.

Honest to god, some of you guys would still find a way to dismiss his behavior and ignore what is now evident about what kind of person he is, even if he lit an orphanage on fire. :noidea:

When he gets back on the field, I will root for him because I love the Steelers - and actually love watching him play his position - but other than that, I kinda can't wait til his playing days are done. I'm so tired of him already.

The league's full of pricks. If you took every player out of the lineup throughout the league for the same week who's been guilty of being a prick or using poor judgement at some point during or while pursuing a sexual relationship you probably couldn't field 10 teams.

Ben got singled out and was punished in an arbitrary and capricious manner to satisfy the ignorant masses. I could give a shit if Ben is unlikable. He didn't commit a crime period.

Had the team handed Ben a suspension that would have been fine by me. I'm not saying that his behaviour can't or shouldn't be reprimanded.

But in my opinion the league had no business acting against Ben. And in particuliar 6 games was way out of line for being guilty of nothing more than using "bad judgement". Specifically to which no one has ever even put in a coherent sentence as to exactly what constituted bad judgement to bring about such a punishment.

SteelKnight
05-03-2010, 11:26 PM
Glad Ben is finally getting some GOOD press. It's about time.

Exactly what I was thinking. I wonder why you supporters in Pitt are staying so quiet. I don't know what the media is like there but outside they are making it seem like none of the fans support Ben.

I'm happy that his football camp is June 21-23. If it goes well, the media will clearly see that many parents and kids still like Ben (hopefully it fills to normal capacity). I know they will be dying to show the number of applications went down or something.

I may be one of the few weird ones who support Ben and the commish. I don't feel the commissioner is an egotistical evil guy. I think he is good and he cares about the NFL and the men. The players are really crazy. When are they going to get it? I think it was brilliant for the commish to go harsh on Ben. It made the story die down a bit. The media would have preferred a 1 game suspension so they could keep running the story and asking whether it is enough etc.

Ben needed to be scared straight. If the Andrea McNulty case didn't do it, he needed something more. Even though I believe McNulty is lying, it should have scared him to watch is behavior around women. Why was he even wearing a devil T-shirt in the bible best trying to pick up 20 year olds who are confused and trying to fit in?

Ben...I've got your back again...this time have mine.

Third Rail
05-04-2010, 04:46 PM
What I take issue with here, and this is in regards to the media AND many of the fans, is that they want to assume that since Ben has been perceived by (certain) people as an arrogant jerk, then he clearly must be guilty of this heinous crime.

Everyone repeat after me here: DINER DASHING DOES NOT MAKE YOU A RAPIST. NEITHER DOES REFUSING TO SIGN AN AUTOGRAPH. Whether all of these reports about Ben being an asshat when he out and about Pittsburgh are true, the things they are saying he does do not in anyway indicate that the man is a sexual predator. And really, that's the issue here. If the guy is just a jerk from time to time, I really couldn't care less.

I'm glad that most of the people here seem to understand this, but on other boards and websites... wow, people really want to see Ben swing for this. And IF he did it, I would understand... but there isn't ANY proof that he did. I'm getting so sick of reading how "everyone turned on him when the details emerged from the police report." The "details" were simply the statements by the three girls. What, did people think the statements of the accuser and her two friends were going to somehow paint Ben in a positive light? It really makes no sense. If you choose to believe their statements, fine... but to act as if something is the absolute truth just because someone said it is ridiculous.

Granted, this goes both ways, so it really comes down to who you believe. But the way I see it, I wasn't there, and I don't know Ben or the accuser personally. But I'm not going to call a guy a rapist based on somewhat inconsistent statements by three girls who followed Ben from one bar to another with fake IDs and "DTF" badges, one of which (the accuser) who some other witnesses say was more or less throwing herself at him all night.

SteelKnight
05-04-2010, 06:04 PM
What I take issue with here, and this is in regards to the media AND many of the fans, is that they want to assume that since Ben has been perceived by (certain) people as an arrogant jerk, then he clearly must be guilty of this heinous crime.

Everyone repeat after me here: DINER DASHING DOES NOT MAKE YOU A RAPIST. NEITHER DOES REFUSING TO SIGN AN AUTOGRAPH. Whether all of these reports about Ben being an asshat when he out and about Pittsburgh are true, the things they are saying he does do not in anyway indicate that the man is a sexual predator. And really, that's the issue here. If the guy is just a jerk from time to time, I really couldn't care less.

I'm glad that most of the people here seem to understand this, but on other boards and websites... wow, people really want to see Ben swing for this. And IF he did it, I would understand... but there isn't ANY proof that he did. I'm getting so sick of reading how "everyone turned on him when the details emerged from the police report." The "details" were simply the statements by the three girls. What, did people think the statements of the accuser and her two friends were going to somehow paint Ben in a positive light? It really makes no sense. If you choose to believe their statements, fine... but to act as if something is the absolute truth just because someone said it is ridiculous.

Granted, this goes both ways, so it really comes down to who you believe. But the way I see it, I wasn't there, and I don't know Ben or the accuser personally. But I'm not going to call a guy a rapist based on somewhat inconsistent statements by three girls who followed Ben from one bar to another with fake IDs and "DTF" badges, one of which (the accuser) who some other witnesses say was more or less throwing herself at him all night.

Ben is being seen as guilty because there are too many bad men out there. Women can lie. Every time I see Southern Fried Stings and the women on there start lying, it makes me think of the Ben case. Sure women are not as violent as men...facts are facts but women can lie. They've shown cases where a woman feels guilty and says she didn't want to participate. Remember the runaway bride? Remember the Duke Lacrosse case? I saw some cases in college where women lied or altered the truth due to embarrassment. It happens.

LambertIsGod58
05-04-2010, 06:19 PM
The league's full of pricks. If you took every player out of the lineup throughout the league for the same week who's been guilty of being a prick or using poor judgement at some point during or while pursuing a sexual relationship you probably couldn't field 10 teams.

Ben got singled out and was punished in an arbitrary and capricious manner to satisfy the ignorant masses. I could give a shit if Ben is unlikable. He didn't commit a crime period.

Had the team handed Ben a suspension that would have been fine by me. I'm not saying that his behaviour can't or shouldn't be reprimanded.

But in my opinion the league had no business acting against Ben. And in particuliar 6 games was way out of line for being guilty of nothing more than using "bad judgement". Specifically to which no one has ever even put in a coherent sentence as to exactly what constituted bad judgement to bring about such a punishment.

He didn't commit a crime and not being charged don't always go hand in hand. You weren't there....so don't be so sure.

zulater
05-05-2010, 12:50 AM
He didn't commit a crime and not being charged don't always go hand in hand. You weren't there....so don't be so sure.

http://ludwig.squarespace.com/politics-journal/2010/4/15/the-media-lynching-of-ben-roethlisberger.html

And it is perfectly permissible to criticize either Roethlisberger or anyone else for having an ambiguous encounter with a stranger when both he and the stranger were suffering from impaired judgments after a night of sexual flirting. But what is NOT okay is to lynch Roethlisberger and call him a "rapist," when the facts supporting that allegation are not even worthy enough for an accusation under the law (probable cause).

And what may be worse is the media showing only the accuser's day-after (second) accusation, and not its surrounding difficulties. I wonder how many in America know right now that the accusation began with sorority sisters who objected to a drunken encounter, not with the accuser herself? Or that, even in the hospital, the accuser could not say the matter was clearly against her wishes at the time. How many today on the A.M. talk radio take the accuser's second-day version as "the accusation" rather than as a significant derogation of what all the evidence that night suggested?

Here's my point. I have no problem with criticizing Roethlisberger for numerous things. I have no problem if the league goes after him just for having drunken, callous and reckless encounters with strangers. My only concern is that they go after him on the FACTS -- not on this yellow journalism stuff. Stop the witch hunt, please.

As it turns out I am pretty damn sure he didn't commit a crime that night.


:coffee:

SteelersMongol
05-05-2010, 05:39 AM
Just saw that on SI. If it was posted here already, my apologies, though I did look & didn't C it.

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Ron Vergerio, a Pittsburgh-area bus driver and commercial driver's license inspector, has devoted a significant portion of his epidermis to his beloved Steelers. The artists at American Tattoo, a parlor in the Pittsburgh suburb of Verona, have spent more than 200 hours crafting Steelers-themed tats on Vergerio's back, chest and arms. One of the most striking images is that of Ben Roethlisberger standing tall, looking downfield, poised to throw—a quarterback's quarterback.

Vergerio wears that one on his left biceps. Now even this most extreme of Steelers fans wonders if he should get a red line inked through it.

"From a football point of view I'm sure losing [Roethlisberger] would've hurt," said Vergerio last week, relaxing at American Tattoo in the number 4 jersey of Byron Leftwich, a candidate to start the 2010 season in place of the suspended Roethlisberger. "But it's to the point where he's embarrassing the franchise."

Such a pronouncement does not come easily from a man who, if pricked, might literally bleed black-and-gold. But Vergerio is not alone. Throughout Pittsburgh there is strong sentiment that the Steelers should have parted ways with Roethlisberger, their two-time Super Bowl--winning quarterback, for behavior—ranging from civic boorishness to borderline criminality—that has deeply damaged a connection between the community and the family-run organization that has been built over 77 years.

Roethlisberger, 28, was accused of assaulting a 20-year-old female college student in the restroom of a bar in Milledgeville, Ga., in the early hours of March 5, the second sexual-assault accusation leveled at the quarterback in nine months. Ultimately no criminal charges were filed—Fred Bright, the district attorney in Georgia's Ocmulgee Circuit, ruled there was insufficient DNA evidence even as he admonished Roethlisberger to "grow up"—but Roethlisberger nevertheless was suspended for six games (with a possible reduction to four) by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell for violating the league's personal-conduct policy. At least one person close to Roethlisberger, his agent, Ryan Tollner, says that recent events have served as a wakeup call for his client. (Roethlisberger, who has been undergoing league-mandated behavioral evaluation, declined SI's request for an interview.) "What you're going to see is a guy who's been humbled by the process and ready to reemerge as a better person," Tollner told SI. "He admitted to me that maybe he got too caught up in the Big Ben persona. Maybe he kind of ran with that too much. But at heart he's a good person who doesn't want to be remembered as the kind of guy who's being presented to the public right now."

As well as Roethlisberger has played—and there's no disputing he's one of the league's elite quarterbacks—his off-the-field reputation has spiraled downward since a horrific motorcycle accident in June 2006, five months after he became the youngest QB to lead a team to the title. Roethlisberger was riding his black 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa motorcycle, helmetless and without a permit, in downtown Pittsburgh when he collided with a Chrysler New Yorker. Roethlisberger hit the windshield, rolled over the roof of the car and struck the ground headfirst. He suffered a broken jaw and nose and underwent seven hours of surgery. "If I ever ride again," he said afterward, "it certainly will be with a helmet."

A few months after the accident, a reporter and a cameraman for KDKA-TV, the CBS affiliate that broadcasts Steelers games, were driving on I-376 in Pittsburgh when they saw two men on motorcycles and recognized one as Roethlisberger, who was not wearing a helmet. They began shooting footage, which showed Roethlisberger giving them the finger as he sped away, but the video never aired. The station's news director at the time, John Verrilli, and its current assistant news director, Anne Linaberger, deny that any such tape existed, but several people who saw the video gave SI similar accounts of the tape; sources believe the story was killed out of fear that it would damage KDKA's relationship with the Steelers. "If we had been the other affiliate [which doesn't broadcast the games]," says one of the people who saw the tape, "it would have been A-1 news." (A neighbor who lives near Roethlisberger in a tony section of Gibsonia, Pa., but did not want to be named has also seen the quarterback on his motorcycle. "I've never seen him with a helmet," the neighbor said.)

It wouldn't be the first time a media outlet has protected a star athlete, and it speaks to what the Steelers—and Roethlisberger—have meant to Pittsburgh. But the feeling is not the same now. In a city where fans once held aloft signs that read big ben a godsend, the outrage is palpable. When the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette polled its online readers in mid-April about what the Steelers should do with their quarterback, 39% of the more than 38,000 respondents said he should be suspended without pay, and the paper's website was deluged with heartfelt e-mails urging the team to dump him.

The tentacles of the Roethlisberger story extend beyond the City of Bridges. They reach the Park Avenue office of Goodell, who, in suspending a player not charged with a crime, considered what he told SI last week was "a pattern that was developing with Ben."

They extend to a corporate complex in Beaverton, Ore., where Nike, as it did with Kobe Bryant and Tiger Woods, announced that it was standing behind its spokesman.

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SteelersMongol
05-05-2010, 05:40 AM
They travel deep into Milledgeville, the capital of Georgia during the Civil War—it was ransacked during Sherman's march—and ancestral home of the Southern writer Flannery O'Connor. One of her story collections is titled A Good Man Is Hard to Find, which might have served as the theme for Roethlisberger's night on the town.

They reach Lake Tahoe, Nev., where Roethlisberger's weeklong visit in 2008 for the American Century Celebrity Golf Tournament, spawned two civil lawsuits, one of which alleges that he sexually assaulted a hotel worker.

And they hit home—hard—in Findlay, Ohio, a well-groomed city of 40,000, where Roethlisberger's former high school coach, among others, is caught between the memory of a good-humored, well-behaved young athlete and the contemporary image of a loutish jock in the throes of narcissistic entitlement. "Ben's got to decide where he wants to go and who he wants to be," says Cliff Hite. The former Findlay High coach, now an Ohio state representative, thought for a second. "I put my money on him getting it right."

But the reach is deepest in Pittsburgh, where within a few days of the Milledgeville revelations Roethlisberger was dumped by both the Pittsburgh Zoo (which replaced a life-sized display of the quarterback with one of Penguins owner Mario Lemieux) and by PLB Sports, which halted production of Big Ben's Beef Jerky.

Over the course of several days in Pittsburgh, SI heard countless variations on the same theme: Roethlisberger throwing his weight around, asking those who got in his way, "Do you know who I am?" Even peripheral interview subjects would, with no solicitation, disparage the man once considered the flesh-and-blood symbol of a town built on raging rivers and hot metal.

Roethlisberger owns an off-season house in a gated community in Eatonton, Ga. Two days after his 28th birthday he traveled the 20 miles down U.S. 441 to Milledgeville—home to Georgia College & State University—with an entourage that included Steelers tackle Willie Colon and two off-duty police officers who work as his bodyguards: Ed Joyner, a Pennsylvania state trooper, and Anthony J. Barravecchio, an officer in Coraopolis, Pa. Both are frequent Roethlisberger companions. As the group barhopped through establishments with names such as The Brick and The Velvet Elvis, text messages began flying around Milledgeville: "Big Ben's in town!" One female GCSU student who was out that night told SI, "It's amazing what girls will do for a $107 million contract." (She's close: Roethlisberger's eight-year deal is worth $102 million.) A woman who didn't want to give her name said, "A lot of girls were throwing themselves at [Roethlisberger]."

Eventually the group landed at a club called Capital City, its fourth stop in town. There, in a curtained-off VIP area in the back, Roethlisberger bought shots for several women, some of whom reportedly admitted to Roethlisberger and Colon that they were not of legal drinking age. The 20-year-old GCSU student and others in her group of sorority sisters were wearing name tags of a sexual nature—the accuser's read dtf, short for Down to F---. Witnesses said the woman was visibly intoxicated at Capital City, and one told police that the accuser had been "obsessed" with Roethlisberger's arrival in town.

At around 1 a.m. Roethlisberger and the woman walked to a bathroom. The report filed by the Milledgeville police alleges that one of the bodyguards guided the woman toward the restroom by the shoulder; the bodyguards maintained to police that they had no knowledge of what happened between Roethlisberger and the woman. A source close to Roethlisberger said that he never intended to have intercourse and described his intentions as "Clinton sex," or fellatio. But the female student told police that they did have intercourse, and that the 6'5", 241-pound Roethlisberger used force.

Sgt. Jerry Blash, the Milledgeville police officer who wrote the criminal report, has resigned from the department in the midst of an investigation into comments he made to Barravecchio that night. According to Barravecchio, Blash described Roethlisberger's accuser as "this drunken bitch" and said, "This pisses me off, that women can do this." Sources say Blash—who had posed for photos with Roethlisberger and several other Milledgeville cops earlier in the evening—was dismissive about the sexual-assault claim when the accuser and her friends approached him that night. (As of last week a purple parking sign stood in the carport of Blash's house in Milledgeville reading, RESERVED PIMP PARKING. HO'S IN BACK.) Milledgeville police failed to secure the crime scene, and Roethlisberger was never interviewed in any formal fashion that night or in the ensuing days.

Earlier at Capital City, witnesses say, Roethlisberger had held aloft a tray of tequila drinks and shouted, "All my bitches, take some shots!" He preened, dispensed rounds, hit on various women and ignored others who hit on him, reveling in the Big Ben persona just nine months after he'd been forced to address another troubling incident.

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SteelersMongol
05-05-2010, 05:41 AM
On July 11, 2008, at Harrah's Lake Tahoe, Roethlisberger allegedly called hotel employee Andrea McNulty to his room to fix a television that turned out to be in proper working order. In a civil suit filed a year later, McNulty claims Roethlisberger groped her and penetrated her against her will. Roethlisberger denies McNulty's account and has declined to comment on specifics.

McNulty says she reported the incident to her superiors but that they did nothing about it. She contends that her boss, Dave Monroe, the vice president of food and hotel operations, told her that Roethlisberger was a close friend of Harrah's Northern Nevada president John Koster, and that Koster "will personally fire you for starting rumors about Roethlisberger's personal life." McNulty said she was told by Monroe, "That guy [Roethlisberger] can have anyone he wants."

The Lake Tahoe incident, like the one in Milledgeville, is fraught with he said/she said. One of McNulty's coworkers gave a sworn affidavit that McNulty bragged about having consensual sex with Roethlisberger and said that she wanted to have his child. McNulty's civil complaint, in contrast, alleges that she asked Roethlisberger to stop but that he didn't, and that after finishing, he told her, "If anyone asks you, you fixed my television. Now go!"

Four days before the McNulty incident, Roethlisberger visited Cabo Wabo Cantina on the grounds of the Harrah's resort with Joyner, Barravecchio and a female friend. There, according to a lawsuit filed by former Cabo Wabo waiter Alvaro Brito, the group "mocked, made fun of and mimicked" Brito while he asked the woman for I.D. to prove she was 21. (Roethlisberger produced the I.D., which showed her to be 27.) As the quarterback left, the lawsuit alleges, he asked Brito if he knew who Koster was and told Brito that Koster was a friend of his. A few days later Brito, who had worked for Harrah's for 12 years and earned $47,000 a year, was fired. He says he was told that the order came from Koster and that it resulted from the encounter with Roethlisberger's group. Brito, who now manages a restaurant in Carson City, Nev., was advised by his lawyer not to speak to SI, nor did Koster or Monroe respond to interview requests. In its response to the McNulty lawsuit, Harrah's said it "engaged in no wrongdoing, and has no liability whatsoever in these circumstances."

Consider: the alleged unabashed behavior, bullying group mentality and we're-with-Ben enablers. Those are the unifying threads from Lake Tahoe to Milledgeville.

In the tepid eight-sentence apology Roethlisberger made on April 26 in accepting the suspension, he pointed out that he has been charged with no crime. That is true. But tightroping the line and tumbling on the correct side of the law does not a good Steeler make. There are myriad reports of Roethlisberger's spreading ill will around Pittsburgh, demonstrating a level of crudeness and immaturity that mandates he "make the necessary improvements," a phrase he used in his apology.

A man who agreed to be identified only by his first name, Craig, says that a few weeks before the Milledgeville incident, he overheard Roethlisberger making lewd comments to a pregnant waitress at a Pittsburgh T.G.I. Friday's. The waitress, when asked last week, recalled Roethlisberger's saying such things as, "Did your boyfriend forget to pull out?"

Mark Baranowski, owner of the popular Cabana Bar in Pittsburgh, says that when the quarterback first came in with a group of hangers-on a few years ago, he refused to pay the $5 cover and used a variation on the Do you know who I am? line to intimidate an employee at the door. At a party Roethlisberger held at the Cabana Bar on the occasion of the one-year anniversary of his motorcycle accident, Baranowski got upset that Roethlisberger's posse rounded up women to come to his VIP area while intimidating customers into deleting cellphone photos of the QB. (His bodyguards allegedly did the same things in Milledgeville.) Roethlisberger agreed to sign a few items, for which he was going to receive free drinks, but Baranowski says he did it sloppily and halfheartedly. The fed-up owner decided Roethlisberger had to pay the cover from then on, which prompted a call from a Steelers security man who wanted to know why the quarterback was banned. Baranowski, through an intermediary, told the staffer Roethlisberger wasn't banned but added, "Tell him he's an arrogant a------, and every Steeler can get in without a cover except him." Roethlisberger has not been back to the Cabana Bar.

After most home games Roethlisberger and several other players head to the Fox and Hound English Pub & Grille. The quarterback would get no customer-of-the-month awards there, either. On at least two occasions Roethlisberger walked out without his tab having been paid (someone else in his party usually does so); one employee remembers a waitress chasing him into the parking lot yelling, "Hey! You owe me money!" as Roethlisberger climbed into his SUV. (He did pay when she caught up to him.)

Roethlisberger's reputation in Pittsburgh is not only a matter of an us-against-Ben war waged by service people. SI spoke at length with a friend of Roethlisberger's, who gets along with the quarterback but who is pained by his behavior. When they're out together, the man, who didn't want his name used, sometimes feels obligated to apologize to waiters and bartenders whom Roethlisberger has treated like garbage. He says he shakes his head when he sees Roethlisberger "disrespect" women in bars. (He has never seen any sign of sexual impropriety.) He is embarrassed by Roethlisberger's pettiness and immaturity during pickup basketball games—he says Big Ben will whine about team selection, talk mean-spirited trash and flex his biceps when he makes a good play. He despairs when he sees Roethlisberger blow off attempts by older Steelers, such as Hall of Fame quarterback Terry Bradshaw, to give him advice. He doubts that Roethlisberger's closest buddies tell him anything except what he wants to hear.

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SteelersMongol
05-05-2010, 05:41 AM
"I'm hoping some of this will make Ben look at himself and say, 'I've got to change,'" Roethlisberger's friend says. "I hope he'll think, I don't want to be known as not a nice person."

In Findlay, Roethlisberger is remembered as a nice person, and since hitting it big he has been generous to the local police and fire departments and youth football programs. "You take a walk downtown," says Brad Bosse, a 52-year-old middle school track coach who lived two doors down from the Roethlisberger family for 12 years, "and start talking about Ben, 99 percent of the time you're gonna get a good reaction."

But there are reminders that all is not as it once was. Cathy Linhart, who owns the House of Awards and Shoes on Main Street and sold more than 100 Roethlisberger bobbleheads after he was drafted by the Steelers, watched his paraphernalia go untouched at a garage sale last month. While acknowledging that not all the rumors about him have been proved, Linhart (who used to sell sports gear to a young Roethlisberger) is nevertheless disappointed. "Where's his ethics? His morals? What happened to him?" she says. "Grow up, you know what I mean?"

In Milledgeville, meanwhile, the citizens simply wish Big Ben and his posse had never come to town. Even more, they wish the media had never shown up in Roethlisberger's wake. Many have fought to preserve Milledgeville's legacy as something other than the Place Where Roethlisberger Was Accused. They include Ben Loper, co-owner of the Pig in a Pit restaurant, who, angered by an Atlanta Journal-Constitution story that he believes painted the townspeople as hicks, made T-shirts reading KEEP IT CLASSY MILLEDGEVILLE. Others offer their opinions of Roethlisberger, such as 57-year-old Danny Snow, who last Saturday sat at the pool hall down the street from a marathon Bible reading at the Old Baldwin County Courthouse. "They should also make him go to church every Sunday," Snow said. "How else is he going to change? Otherwise, the only thing he'll be changing are nightclubs."

The most enduring hangover, however, is in Pittsburgh, a city with a soft spot for its sports teams but a hard crust, too, a city with a finite tolerance for misbehavior.

At a minicamp last Friday, Roethlisberger's teammates mostly expressed support for their quarterback. But even Colon, who was there that night in Georgia, let it be known that Roethlisberger should learn from the experience. "The fans have a right to be upset," he said. "They buy tickets to support us. Remember that Ben is a human being, and human beings make mistakes. Hopefully he learns from his and moves on."

Veteran receiver Hines Ward, who during his six seasons as one of Roethlisberger's favorite targets has never had a close relationship with the quarterback, called the suspension "justified" and added, "When you're in the quarterback position, everybody looks to you and there are certain situations you can't put yourself in. By Ben going through this, he'll come back a different person."

It's difficult to gauge how much goodwill Roethlisberger has stockpiled with his teammates. He was dressed down by linebacker Joey Porter during the 2006 season for being aloof and not working hard enough. But Roethlisberger performed with guts and honor in the Super Bowl XLIII victory, and that goes a long way in a league with few elite signal-callers.

Would the Steelers really have considered getting rid of Roethlisberger? Multiple media reports asserted that the team made calls before last month's draft (specifically to the Raiders and the Rams) to inquire about a trade. It's just as likely, however, that Steelers president Art Rooney II, the man guiding the franchise, never intended to deal Roethlisberger. But he must have spent a few sleepless nights weighing his decision, for keeping Roethlisberger after two major incidents and several minor ones goes against the family legacy, the implicit pledge to fill the roster with solid citizens.

Franchise patriarch Art Rooney, known as Chief to most of the old Steelers, used to walk around the locker room whispering sage advice. "Chief constantly drove home the point that we were representing something larger than ourselves, that we had to conduct ourselves in the proper way," says Andy Russell, a Steelers linebacker for 12 seasons through the mid-1970s. "Even back when we were playing, there were ways of getting in trouble in bars. Guys wanted to fight you. Women wanted to go home with you. You just had to walk away. That was what you were taught by the Rooneys."

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SteelersMongol
05-05-2010, 05:45 AM
The family—including Art II's father, Dan, the current U.S. ambassador to Ireland; and Art II's son, team vice president Art Jr.—understand that keeping Roethlisberger is a large gamble and that their quarterback is one more slipup away from turning the Steelers into a Keystone State version of the Raiders. But after jettisoning another problem player, wide receiver Santonio Holmes (who was dealt to the Jets in April for a fifth-round pick after he was found to have violated the league's substance-abuse policy) they are laying their chips on number 7.

"When I met with Ben, he said he's going to be changing his life," Art II told SI's Peter King in mid-April. "Words are the easy part. We have to make sure Ben puts himself on a path to do better. It's a tall order, but it's something he has to do."

In Pittsburgh, perhaps more than anywhere else in our languid nation," wrote hometowner Michael Chabon in his coming-of-age novel, The Mysteries of Pittsburgh, "a barmaid does not care."

Barmaids, and most everyone else, care less about Roethlisberger now that the city has a full-blown hero in Sidney Crosby, the peerless NHL center whose Penguins are defending their Stanley Cup in a series against the Canadiens. Sid the Kid has proved to be the anti-Roethlisberger, not so much in playing style—they are both hard-edged warriors—but in the ability to be a major star with a minor ego.

Cynics will no doubt assume that Roethlisberger can reclaim the city, possibly with a few touchdown passes, perhaps with a strong playoff game, probably with an AFC championship and certainly with a third Lombardi Trophy. Sports fans are too fickle, too in the moment, for us not to believe that success wouldn't have them climbing back on the Big Ben bus.

But make no mistake, this schism between superstar and town is a serious one. At Peppi's Old Tyme Sandwich Shop, owner Lou Bosser said he's still selling the #7, a.k.a. Peppi's Rookie of the Year, a.k.a. the RoethlisBerger, a sausage and ground beef stomach-churner topped with egg and American cheese, for $7.26. But now customers offer a side order of editorializing. "You get the bad comments," says Bosser, "like you got to eat it in the bathroom."

And store owners are experiencing a Roethlisberger market downturn, with the exception of the dumb and dumber shirts depicting Tiger Woods and Big Ben. At Yinzers in the Strip District, 50-year-old owner Jim Coen has moved his bin of Roethlisberger jerseys to a storeroom in the back. "That's thousands of dollars worth of merchandise right there," Coen says. He points to the little girls' pink number 7 shirts emblazoned with Roethlisberger's name. Says Coen, "Would you buy your daughter this jersey?"

Despite his financial losses, though, Coen is sympathetic. "We look at Ben like a little brother who's a drug addict," he says. "You love him, you want him, you need him, but he's on thin ice. Our football team is our life."

You don't have to tell that to fans like Vergerio, whose life is painted all over his upper body. But in this ugly tale of a player and a town, the pain cuts much deeper than skin, all the way down to bone.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1169185/1/index.htm

After reading this I kinda felt like regretting the decision 2 buy his jersey 4 my little girl, 2. Now I C why some people, including the Steelers fans, were calling him with names such as "Pig Ben", "Rick Roethlisberger", or "Genital Ben." Then again, media is very hard 2 believe wholeheartedly these days. Only U guys who live in the area know a lot more than anyone.

zulater
05-05-2010, 06:28 AM
A couple things.

No doubt Ben's been an a-hole for a long time.

Ben did not commit a crime in Ga. or Nevada.

I just wonder why someone high up in the Steelers orginization of someone in Ben's family didn't sit him down long ago and tell him he needs to take stock of himself and start treating others with more respect? Ben's enablers aren't just limited to his inner circle, the Steelers orginization has been kissing his ass for far too long and deserve a share of the blame for what he's become.

Stone
05-05-2010, 06:58 AM
And already people from the one restaurant are saying, "hang on a minute"....

The Fox and the Hound Restaurant in the North Hills is mentioned in the article. An employee there told SI that Roethlisberger left without paying, but employees Channel 11 talked with Tuesday night said the article was blown out of proportion..


http://www.wpxi.com/news/23455771/detail.html

Steelers>NFL
05-05-2010, 07:10 AM
And already people from the one restaurant are saying, "hang on a minute"....

The Fox and the Hound Restaurant in the North Hills is mentioned in the article. An employee there told SI that Roethlisberger left without paying, but employees Channel 11 talked with Tuesday night said the article was blown out of proportion..


http://www.wpxi.com/news/23455771/detail.html

And Big Ben has blown Big Ben way out of proportion!

BlastFurnace
05-05-2010, 07:34 AM
A couple things.

No doubt Ben's been an a-hole for a long time.

Ben did not commit a crime in Ga. or Nevada.

I just wonder why someone high up in the Steelers orginization of someone in Ben's family didn't sit him down long ago and tell him he needs to take stock of himself and start treating others with more respect? Ben's enablers aren't just limited to his inner circle, the Steelers orginization has been kissing his ass for far too long and deserve a share of the blame for what he's become.

Honestly, I think it's the same reason they didn't send James Harrison to Anger Management training and didn't sit Joey Porter down about going to night clubs either. They were winning and chose to ignore it.

I find it hard to believe the Rooney's didn't know all about Ben's, Joey's, and James's character issues before anything happend. They got in trouble, it created negative publicity...affecting the Rooney's pocketbooks...and then they decided to address it.

There are guys on every NFL roster who have done what Ben is doing or are doing what he did...they just haven't been caught.

fansince'76
05-05-2010, 08:18 AM
And already people from the one restaurant are saying, "hang on a minute"....

The Fox and the Hound Restaurant in the North Hills is mentioned in the article. An employee there told SI that Roethlisberger left without paying, but employees Channel 11 talked with Tuesday night said the article was blown out of proportion..


http://www.wpxi.com/news/23455771/detail.html

Not surprising - that's usually the case with sensationalized "reporting," which, along with a full-page booze, cologne or car ad every other page, is all SI is anymore, which is among a number of reasons why I canceled my subscription years ago.

steeldawg
05-05-2010, 08:45 AM
This whole thing is blown way out of proportion by the media. There are plenty of fans out there that feel like
Ben has done nothing wrong. If there is no assault then you really have to question what he is suspended for and what he is getting all this bad press for. I personally dont see anything wrong with being young and in a bar drinking and fratenizing with young women. If one of you can please explain what behavior he did that was so outrageous that makes him this disgusting human being , I would love to hear it. And if ben is a prick then hes a prick but that in no way warrants a 6 game suspension.

VTsteel
05-05-2010, 08:54 AM
This whole thing is blown way out of proportion by the media. There are plenty of fans out there that feel like
Ben has done nothing wrong. If there is no assault then you really have to question what he is suspended for and what he is getting all this bad press for. I personally dont see anything wrong with being young and in a bar drinking and fratenizing with young women. If one of you can please explain what behavior he did that was so outrageous that makes him this disgusting human being , I would love to hear it. And if ben is a prick then hes a prick but that in no way warrants a 6 game suspension.


I agree.

I think Ben has exhibited a lack of maturity and poor judgement - But what 28 yr old KID doesn't?

I believe the suspension is more of a result of an acculumation of events and compound that with Goodell wanting to send a message to the rest of the league . . . Ben is the whipping boy for all of the NFL's mis-deeds.

To say Ben did something "wrong" is a bit subjective for my taste.

No Criminality = No Suspension (IMO)

steelc58
05-05-2010, 10:00 AM
Ben is a great player and will be a hall of famer someday. He just needs to grow up. Money and fame can blow up a persons head. He needs to realize we are all human we getup and put our jeans on the same way. Start treating people as he would want to be treated.I hope this has been a wake up call for Ben. We all make mistakes that is what makes us human.

SteelerEmpire
05-05-2010, 10:01 AM
Article:
Though he possibly can be excused for stating the obvious, the fact that a member of the family that founded the Pittsburgh Steelers has called quarterback Ben Roethlisberger an unflattering name definitely is worth pointing.

From SunshineStateNews.com (via TMZ) comes word that Congressman Tom Rooney (R-Fla.), grandson of family patriarch Art Rooney, offered up this observation when asked to identify his favorite football team at a local high school: "The Steelers, I have no choice. But our quarterback is still an idiot."

Boom, and roasted.

Perhaps the more surprising news is that there are actually members of the Rooney family who aren't Democrats.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/04/member-of-rooney-family-calls-big-ben-an-idiot/?related=1

vasteeler
05-05-2010, 10:17 AM
a politician calling someone an idiot :doh:

Steelers>NFL
05-05-2010, 10:30 AM
How about - they both are idiots!

Curtain_of_Steel
05-05-2010, 10:35 AM
Just how many level did he climb up the idiot ladder?

1) Politician, the only good thing is, he isn't a democrat, lol
2) Working with my grand dad in the steeler org? Or being a politician?lol
3) Not minding his own problem in florida, or caling ben an idiot? Seems someone wants some more face time, lol

solardave
05-05-2010, 10:39 AM
How about - they both are idiots!

Kettle black! :sofunny: It's not like he called him a lying douchebag sucking earnings off of the sweat of the working man. DON'T GET ME SATARTED ON POLITICIANS!!!

Florida_Steelers_Fan
05-05-2010, 11:03 AM
It's amazing to me all the scrutiny that Ben finds himself under... just amazing...

fansince'76
05-05-2010, 11:25 AM
From SunshineStateNews.com (via TMZ) comes word that Congressman Tom Rooney (R-Fla.), grandson of family patriarch Art Rooney, offered up this observation when asked to identify his favorite football team at a local high school: "The Steelers, I have no choice. But our quarterback is still an idiot."

And according to a brother of a friend of a cousin's sister's father's aunt, Ben's a jerk. :coffee:

Dino 6 Rings
05-05-2010, 11:33 AM
So...a few weeks back when I was in the Burgh attending a wedding, after the wedding we all went to a bar near our hotel, and the groom and bride joined us, we were all in normal attire having changed after the party at the reception hall. We were having a few drinks, were pretty tamed considering we all were routy the night before...as the night wore on...wouldn't you know...some chick, we did not know, walks past the groom, and grabs his junk and heads out the door with her girl friend. I mentioned to the bride that some chick just grabbed her husband's junk, on her wedding night, and that fired her up, and she went out into the street looking for the girl who hustled away into the night never to be seen again.

True Story.

So Ben is not the only "pig" in Pittsburgh. Seems to be the norm as far as I can tell from that eye witness experience.

Fire Haley
05-05-2010, 11:43 AM
That's one SI cover I didn't want to see

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/2010/0510_large.jpg

Dino 6 Rings
05-05-2010, 11:45 AM
That's one SI cover I didn't want to see

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/2010/0510_large.jpg

sweet, once I get the issue I'll see if he'll sign it to "my dearest friend"

Then when he's in the HOF after a 4th ring and a long carreer, it'll be worth something.

43Hitman
05-05-2010, 12:17 PM
:yuck:

From now on this is going to follow Ben. No matter what. Even if he wins another SB or two, it's going to be, "This is a guy who almost threw away his career" and "What a turnaround from his days of misconduct allegations" :blah::blah::blah: Seeing this connected to a Steeler really pisses me off.

Florida_Steelers_Fan
05-05-2010, 12:26 PM
Nah...it will eventually go away. Someone else will do something stupid and this will fade away.

WH
05-05-2010, 12:42 PM
I want someone to mail me that cover. Any volunteers?

zulater
05-05-2010, 01:21 PM
And now for some good news. Someone needs to send this article to Steggy.


PITTSBURGH - Despite his off-field troubles, two local branches of national children’s charities are standing by Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

Executives with Make-a-Wish and Ronald McDonald House told FOXSports.com that Roethlisberger is welcome to continue participating in their activities. Roethlisberger was recently suspended six games by the NFL for violating the league’s personal conduct policy following inappropriate behavior at a Milledgeville, Ga. bar in March.

Judith Stone, the president and CEO of the Pittsburgh Make-A-Wish branch, admits she was “heartbroken and very surprised” when details surfaced about Roethlisberger’s alleged actions and sexual misconduct. Stone, though, said that incident has no bearing on the work Roethlisberger does with her foundation. Roethlisberger is one of the most frequently requested Make-a-Wish athletes among children with life-threatening illnesses.

“Our relationship with Ben is exactly as it has always been. Nothing has changed,” Stone said. “It’s the child’s wish. Of all the wishes in the whole world, if they want to meet Big Ben, that’s the wish.”

Stone said Roethlisberger has hosted Make-A-Wish children for four years at Steelers home games. She described him as being “wonderful with our special-needs kids.”

“He’s met with kids from all over country, not just our chapter,” Stone said. “He’s a hot commodity.”

Roethlisberger also is the honorary local chairman of Ronald McDonald House Charities, which help provide financial assistance to in-need children with medical problems. Roethlisberger’s foundation has donated $15,000 to the group. He also has provided expensive dinners for families staying inside the house.

“He is so good with our kids,” Ronald McDonald House Charities of Pittsburgh executive director Barbara Reed Martin said. “When he talks to them, he makes them feel as if they were the only person in the room. When a kid isn’t feeling good, he knows exactly what they need to hear to feel better.”

Asked about whether the claims made against Roethlisberger would impact his work with Ronald McDonald House, Martin said, “We don’t really know what happened (in Milledgeville) ... We want to invite anybody who cares about the well-being of kids and their families to work with us. He’s definitely in that category.”

As part of his NFL suspension, Roethlisberger is required to undergo a “comprehensive behavioral evaluation by medical professionals” before being allowed to resume practicing with the Steelers. Roethlisberger was accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year-old college student in a nightclub bathroom but criminal charges weren’t filed after a police investigation.

Roethlisberger is still slated to conduct his annual youth football camp for boys and girls ages 7 to 14 from June 21 to 23 in Mars, Penn

siss, do you have the link to that? I could really use it. Thanks

fansince'76
05-05-2010, 01:45 PM
siss, do you have the link to that? I could really use it. Thanks

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/marvez-local-charities-stick-by-big-ben-050310

Fire Haley
05-05-2010, 02:19 PM
Did you notice? That same SI issue has a nice read on Sid - the anti-Ben.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/2010/0510_large.jpg

Alone At The Top

In the last year, Sidney Crosby has won a Stanley Cup and an Olympic gold medal and surpassed his biggest rival. But at 22, the world's best player is just getting started

MICHAEL FARBER

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1169156/1/index.htm

Sidney Crosby loves to fish. Almost every summer evening he drops a line into Grand Lake, in a sylvan setting 40 minutes from his boyhood home in Cole Harbour, Nova Scotia. Crosby enjoys the solitude as much as the fishing, which is hardly surprising for a Canadian idol. In his country, hockey heroes are caught but never released. The bass and pickerel are among the few creatures north of the 49th parallel that don't have the faintest idea who he is.

"He can be out there for hours," says his father, Troy Crosby, "and not catch a thing." The fishing on the lake is spotty in summer. If Sidney wants to land, say, a big striper, he should be out on the lake or casting off his dock right now. But as is his custom, he is professionally engaged at the moment. When they reach Game 4 of their Eastern Conference semifinal series against Montreal on Thursday, the Penguins, tied with the Canadiens at a game apiece after a 3--1 loss at home on Sunday, will play their 300th match of the past three seasons. This is shaping up to be another extended Pittsburgh spring. Like a vain man's 39th birthday, the conference final is an annual event for the Penguins.

The primary reason for this, of course, is Crosby. Since he and Alexander Ovechkin entered the NHL together in 2005--06, the question has been: Who's better, Sid or Ovie? The answer, until further notice, arrived last week when Crosby took a commanding lead in playoff scoring, while Ovechkin failed to carry Washington past the upstart Canadiens. (The astonishing loss by the Presidents' Trophy winners—who frittered away a 3--1 series lead—was due not to a failure of will by Ovechkin but to a lack of imagination: Crosby's grand rival and measuring stick repeatedly scooted into the offensive zone, then swerved into the middle to look for a shot. He never seemed to consider driving wide to generate offense.)

While the Capitals sorted through the day-after wreckage last Thursday, Crosby joined teammates Jay McKee, Jordan Staal and Max Talbot for a postpractice round of miniature golf. "Who won?" Talbot repeats. "Sid." He pauses. "Obviously."

"Best player in the world? Yeah," Montreal defenseman Josh Gorges said of Crosby on the eve of the series, and he wasn't referring to putt-putt golf. "[Crosby and Ovechkin] are both really good, but Crosby's better at using the players around him. Great vision. Not only can he score, like he proved this year"—his 51 goals tied for the NHL regular-season lead—"but he passes the puck better than anybody. He makes plays: behind his back, drop passes. You sit in the stands, and you don't even see the possibilities. You wonder how he sees them. As a defenseman you try to force him to make plays he doesn't want to make. If you allow him to make the plays he wants, he'll burn you."

The Canadiens were the Crosby family team. Montreal drafted Troy, a goaltender, in the 12th round in 1984. Sidney ... well, he adored the bleu, blanc et rouge like so many other kids in the Maritime Provinces. In his bedroom hung not only a poster of Mario Lemieux but also one of Canadiens captain Kirk Muller. ("When my daughters heard that," says Muller, now a Montreal assistant coach, "it raised their opinion of Dad.") Sidney's room was also decorated with Canadiens-themed wallpaper.

The only thing that has changed is that now Crosby wallpapers Canadiens. Fifteen minutes into Game 1 last Friday he ran over Gorges, who 24 hours earlier had been worried about being burned when he should have been concerned about being flattened. This was a fair fight: Crosby, 5'11" and 200 pounds, is two inches shorter but only two pounds lighter than Gorges.

And so Crosby said an emphatic hello to the second round. During Pittsburgh's systematic 6--3 win he would pickpocket Montreal center Scott Gomez along the boards and set up Kris Letang for a goal; make a surgical cross-seam pass to Alex Goligoski for another of Pittsburgh's four power-play scores; and engage in an unpenalized cross-checking duel with former Penguin Hal Gill, a big galoot of a defenseman who has eight inches and 50 pounds on him. Crosby also suffered a nasty gash on his chin, courtesy of an inadvertent high stick from Dominic Moore in the second period, but given some fancy needlepoint and the benefit of two television timeouts, he missed no more than five minutes on the game clock. "Give some credit to [the doctors]," said Crosby, whose wound, amid tufts of a struggling playoff beard, only slightly compromised the boyishness of his boy-band mug. "I think there were two of them."

The summary: three hits, one blocked shot, two assists and an unspecified number of stitches in 21:08. (When pressed for the number of sutures, Crosby said he had no idea. Hockey players always say that.) Although he was held without a point in Game 2, he ended the weekend with a playoff average of 2.0 points per game. If the Penguins go deep in four series and Crosby maintains a similar pace, he could break Wayne Gretzky's playoff record of 47 points, set in the giddy 1984--85 season, in which the goals-per-game season average was 7.77 compared with the slender 5.53 of 2009--10.

Crosby's points are less achievements than signposts en route to perhaps another championship. Last June he became the youngest captain of a Cup winner. Now he can win his second trophy before the age of 23. (Gretzky was 24 when he won the second of his four Cups.) Like a classic type A personality Crosby, who has also won an MVP and a scoring title, keeps scratching off items on his virtual to-do list.

• Shoot more. Check. Crosby, who had not taken more than 250 shots in a season since his rookie year, took 298 this season, fifth in the NHL. The extra shots translated into a goal bonanza, a leap from a previous best of 39. "Scoring 50 was a goal of mine, for sure, but that wasn't about me," Crosby says. "I thought last year as the season went on that if I had shot a little more, it might have opened things up [for teammates]."

• Improve on face-offs. Yep, did that. Crosby, who had a career face-off percentage of 49.6 before 2009--10, won 55.9% of his draws this season, 11th best in the league. Through Sunday his 57.0 playoff face-off percentage ranked sixth.

• Win an Olympic gold medal. Big check there. Of course to do it, he had to score the overtime winner against the U.S. in Vancouver.

• Conn Smythe Trophy? "I don't want to get too specific, but the Conn Smythe [for playoff MVP] usually goes to a member of the winning team," Crosby says. "So I'd like to be in that position."

"He's like Michael Jordan," Penguins fourth-liner Craig Adams says. "I don't know how many years it was into Jordan's career, but one day he decides he wants to play defense and goes out and wins the NBA's best defensive player award. When Sid puts his mind to it and works at something, he can do it. People were waiting for him to win his first Cup. Then there was the pressure to win the Olympics at home, and he scores the goal. Maybe some of the pressure's off now, but I'm not worried about him taking a breather."

"If the Olympics changed him at all, it relaxed him," Bill Guerin, his right wing, says. "Some guys in sports carry the pressure of leading a really good team. Some carry the weight of a whole city. He had the weight of a country on his back. The gold was a relief. But with Sid it's like, O.K., I did it; now let's move on."

Crosby's Olympics-winning goal already ranks among the greatest in the 135-year history of the sport, but after a country of 34 million hockey coaches exhaled, "Sidney came back, shook everyone's hand, accepted congratulations and was ready for the next game," Pittsburgh assistant coach Tony Granato says. He did not miss a Penguins match. He did not even blow off an optional practice. (Ovechkin, centerpiece of the Russian team that was humiliated by Canada in the Olympic quarterfinals 7--3, skipped the Capitals' optional skate on the morning of Game 7 against Montreal. Just sayin'.)

The toll of Being Sidney Crosby was apparent after the Olympic fortnight—in the first 13 games after Vancouver he scored only three goals and endured a goalless streak of seven matches—but he scored six in Pittsburgh's final seven games before embarking on a playoff series that gilded his reputation. In a six-game dismissal of Ottawa in the first round he had five goals, nine assists and two fistfuls of YouTube moments, although Crosby thinks he did his best work—eight goals and five assists—in the seven-game win over the Capitals in the 2009 conference semis. (Guerin: "Probably. He was really focused there. Wrapped up." Because he was facing Ovechkin? "Absolutely.") Yet there were grace notes in the Senators series that previously had not been apparent. In Game 2 Crosby sprawled to sweep the puck off the goal line and bail out goalie Marc-André Fleury. (Win Norris Trophy. Check.) And he dazed Ottawa captain Daniel Alfredsson with a seismic hit in Game 3. (Morph into big-hitting Hall of Fame defenseman Scott Stevens. Check.)

But, as in most great action movies, the highlight was the chase scene. This one lasted 13 seconds in real time, but it will run on Crosby top 10 reels for eternity. While being pursued by Jason Spezza behind the net in the third period of Game 2, Crosby wheeled and doubled back—twice—while at one point fighting off the Senators' center with one arm and controlling the puck with one hand on his stick. The only thing missing was a fast-forward button and that zippy music from the old Benny Hill Show. The pursuit finally ended when, from his knees at the right face-off circle, Crosby fed Letang at the point for the winning power-play goal. "The first couple of years I was always like, Wow! when I saw him do something like that," Talbot says. "Now it's just, Good job, Sid. That play was [the equivalent] of me chipping the puck [out of the zone]. Nice chip, Max. For him it's, Nice dipsy, dipsy, dipsy doodle, Sid."

Crosby has the turning radius of a Mini Cooper because of a skating technique known as Ten and Two. He has the uncommon ability to skate with his left foot pointing to 10 o'clock and his right skate pointing to 2, a vaguely Chaplinesque position that enhances mobility in tight quarters. "Sid actually went about a quarter to three on that one," says former NHL player Phil Bourque, the Penguins' radio analyst. "The advantage with Ten and Two is you don't have to stop. You can roll off guys. While most guys glide, Sid's lower-body strength is such that he can actually propel himself, push off when his feet are open. He's almost a freak of nature."

After the behind-the-net romp with Spezza, Penguins general manager Ray Shero asked Lemieux, the team's co-owner, "You ever do that with your feet?"

Lemieux replied, "Are you kidding me? With my hips? Nowhere close."

While Gretzky made the fallow area behind the goal his office—two feet one way, two feet the other, banking pucks to himself off the back of the net, finding open sticks—Crosby employs Ten and Two to make that space a rec room, spinning offense out of quick bursts of skating.

The Stanley Cup, Olympic gold, now the separation from Ovechkin ... everything has gone Crosby's way over the past 12 months. But, he says, "I don't work any less hard because we won last year. The results aren't guaranteed. At times you have to catch yourself and realize it's not always going to be like that. You've still got stuff to learn."

In Crosby's compact world, there are always bigger fish to fry.

SteelKnight
05-05-2010, 02:31 PM
Damn...I knew this was ging to happen...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/04/rapelisberger-t-shirt-off_n_562525.html

Rapelisberger T-Shirts.

It was my fear when I heard the fans in NY that they would come out with a shirt that says "She said No".

These people are classless but we did it with the stupid Cheatreots T-Shirts...some of the classless among us.

At least the Jerseys blend. They will look like our fans. If there is a way for the NFL to get the company for making them look too much like Steelers jerseys I hope they do.

I was disappointed by the poll showing 3/4 think it doesn't go too far.

zsheik22
05-05-2010, 03:03 PM
He's growing up. 26 and a 100 million dollar star and singal...lol we need to fine him a good woman that will smack him around some and keep him from all this.

I'm the same age as Ben. Me "growing up" never resulted in any sexual assault cases or motorcycle accidents. Money isnt an excuse at all either. In fact, it argues against what you're trying to prove.

Fire Haley
05-05-2010, 03:10 PM
Rapelisberger T-Shirts. ..was disappointed by the poll showing 3/4 think it doesn't go too far.

What do you expect from the Huffingtonpost?

But for people thinking this is just going to blow over - not even close.

The shirt's web site claims that the items are "a must have for Cleveland, Cincinnatti, and Baltimore fans." Demand is purportedly "overwhelming."

stlrtruck
05-05-2010, 03:49 PM
Damn...I knew this was ging to happen...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/04/rapelisberger-t-shirt-off_n_562525.html

Rapelisberger T-Shirts.

It was my fear when I heard the fans in NY that they would come out with a shirt that says "She said No".

These people are classless but we did it with the stupid Cheatreots T-Shirts...some of the classless among us.

At least the Jerseys blend. They will look like our fans. If there is a way for the NFL to get the company for making them look too much like Steelers jerseys I hope they do.

I was disappointed by the poll showing 3/4 think it doesn't go too far.

It wasn't just the cheatriots* t-shirts or the tom brady t-shirts, etc. This has been a culmination of various events over the last 5 years. And really, we shouldn't let it bother us, they can wear all the t-shirts they want, what really matters is when they're wearing the shirts walking out of their stadiums with another L - the shirt won't mean shite then!

What do you expect from the Huffingtonpost?

But for people thinking this is just going to blow over - not even close.

The shirt's web site claims that the items are "a must have for Cleveland, Cincinnatti, and Baltimore fans." Demand is purportedly "overwhelming."

And that's all they'll have on us, is that shirt. My early response will be as simple as, "I'm sorry I can' t see your shirt from the shine of the 6 rings!"

pete74
05-05-2010, 04:01 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1169185/index.htm

SteelPride1207
05-05-2010, 04:36 PM
I'm the same age as Ben. Me "growing up" never resulted in any sexual assault cases or motorcycle accidents. Money isnt an excuse at all either. In fact, it argues against what you're trying to prove.

Anything the goes "overboard" in making sweeping judgements on Big Ben is complete overhyped hot stinking garbage.

Ben decideds to not wear a helmet is stupid...but...it was GRANNY's fault that the accident happened. Why not run HUGE STORIES about how old people shouldn't drive on the road? Why doesn't SI run a huge story with old people on the cover calling them INCAPABLE of driving safely?

Sure...so Ben rode without a helmet...something that millions of people do around the world all the time. Yes...it was stupid...but to lump it into some type of revelation suggesting Ben is a bad guy is IDIOTIC.

Next...looking at the two incidents regarding accusations of sexual assault...

FACT: There was never any significant evidence supporting accusations of rape.

The skank in Nevada even bragged about having a "little Ben" with friends after the incident and there was plenty of testimony from her friends who said she wanted to xxx someone famous. This was clearly a set up that anyone on this board could have easily been a victim of...whether we had a "nice" or "obnoxious" personality.

As for the incident in Milledgeville, GA....ask yourself....if you decide to go out drinking with a bunch of friends to celebrate your birthday....and a hot young girl follows you around talking about having xxx with you and even grabs you (even she reports that she pinched Ben)...then the two of you decide to go into the back room (bathroom) to fool around. You decide to go. The two of you engage in some sexual act. Then... later in the evening... the girl and a small group of her sororiety sisters decide to claim sexual assault happen...then WTF are you suppose to do...?

For those on this board that can look past the baseless BS sexual assault accusations and want to criticize Big Ben for hanging out with friends, drinking on his birthday, bar hoping, and looking to get xxx with hot women...fine...God knows he could have done something less risky.

But IF that type of behavior / ritual is so bad and worth destroying a guy's name and career... then you might as well close down every single adult club, college town bar, and other places where THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR happen every single day.

For those on this board that want to say..."hey look...Ben represents the Steelers and the City of Pittsburgh"...then they should be out picketing every single bar in Pittsburgh, the Rooney's for allowing players who drink - go to bars - celebrate their birthdays with the opposite sex, and the NFL for allowing players in the league who partake in this exact same behavior on more than just their birthdays.

My point is... the media has done the media's job... by exploiting NORMAL behavior, sensationalizing the negative aspects of NORMAL BEHAVIOR (although unsavory), and turning Ben into the next anti-Christ.

Becaus people bought into the ONE SIDED reporting and bought into the IDIOT talking-heads on TV (who are interested in making this story bigger than life).... it forced the league to act out of desparation and it provided Roger (in the Patriots back pocket) Goodell to another opportunity to put his "Czar mark" on the NFL.

The SI story is like all other media goals...sell, sell, sell, sell, sell, sell, sell...... and as long as people continue to give these media sources their money for the way they report stories...... we will continue to have this "type of reporting" sensationalizing, exploiting, etc.... people.

Ben could have been more careful with how he partied.... but he did nothing that isn't being done right now... as I write these words... in every single town in the United States and around the world.

SteelKnight
05-05-2010, 04:37 PM
What do you expect from the Huffingtonpost?

But for people thinking this is just going to blow over - not even close.

The shirt's web site claims that the items are "a must have for Cleveland, Cincinnatti, and Baltimore fans." Demand is purportedly "overwhelming."

I'm hoping it will be a tough year but then next year, people will move on. Eventually people stopped calling Ray Lewis a murderer...it get's old. People will get bored with it. He is tainted forever though. He should have paid the girl 30 million to say she lied. lol (especially since I don't believe she is telling the full truth). He's already lost like 3 million form the suspension, probably 4 million for attorney and investigation fees. prob 5 million settlement prob another 2 million in endorsements, plus probably another 2 million dealing with the McNulty case. Don't you guys have proper gold digger groupies in Pittsburgh? lol

WH
05-05-2010, 04:42 PM
Well now that the NFL has set the precident that accusations of bad behavior can get your star players suspended....i'm sure the South Side will be swarming with prostitures working for rival teams.

(yeah i know that's a bullshit comment, but i wouldn't put it past Bellicheat or Marvin Lewis)

Riddle_Of_Steel
05-05-2010, 04:52 PM
Well now that the NFL has set the precident that accusations of bad behavior can get your star players suspended....i'm sure the South Side will be swarming with prostitures working for rival teams.

(yeah i know that's a bullshit comment, but i wouldn't put it past Bellicheat or Marvin Lewis)

Not too far from the truth-- I did a stint in the 90's as a Lawrence Taylor fan (hard to admit cheering for the Giants)...until I found out how much of a cr@ckhead he was. He used to call up prostitues and escort girls and send them to the hotel rooms of the opposing teams on the night before games, just to make sure the other team was feeling "chipper" in the morning...

Stone
05-05-2010, 05:13 PM
Post Gazette on the KDKA "mystery tape":

http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/tunedin/archive/2010/05/05/kdka-and-the-roethlisberger-mystery-tape.aspx (http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/tunedin/archive/2010/05/05/kdka-and-the-roethlisberger-mystery-tape.aspx://)

In a new Sports Illustrated cover story, the magazine suggests KDKA-TV sat on video of Ben Roethlisberger riding a motorcycle without a helmet a few months after his motorcycle accident for fear of damaging its relationship with the Steelers. (KDKA has a marketing partnership with the Steelers and often features segments with Steelers players during KDKA newscasts during the NFL season).

"Both the news director at the time, John Verrilli and assistant news director Anne Lineaberger, both people of impeccable integrity and people I trust, say they're not aware of the existence of a tape and they never saw the tape," Pike said.

I suppose it's possible the tape exists and someone lower down the station pecking order put the kibosh on airing the tape. But if you look at the rest of KDKA's coverage of the Roethlisberger scandal, it has not felt to me like Channel 2 pulled punches in an effort to curry favor with the Steelers organization. They sent reporters to Georgia on several occasions and the story was all over KDKA newscasts.

"It's sort of ironic that national websites like ESPN or Sports Illustrated were quoting KDKA reports on the story as it was breaking ... and then they would raise this," Pike said. "We've covered this story and Santonio going back to when he was drafted, Jeff Reed's incidents. I'm absoutely comfortable we cover it as it's newsworthy."

pete74
05-05-2010, 05:50 PM
Anything the goes "overboard" in making sweeping judgements on Big Ben is complete overhyped hot stinking garbage.

Ben decideds to not wear a helmet is stupid...but...it was GRANNY's fault that the accident happened. Why not run HUGE STORIES about how old people shouldn't drive on the road? Why doesn't SI run a huge story with old people on the cover calling them INCAPABLE of driving safely?

Sure...so Ben rode without a helmet...something that millions of people do around the world all the time. Yes...it was stupid...but to lump it into some type of revelation suggesting Ben is a bad guy is IDIOTIC.

Next...looking at the two incidents regarding accusations of sexual assault...

FACT: There was never any significant evidence supporting accusations of rape.

The skank in Nevada even bragged about having a "little Ben" with friends after the incident and there was plenty of testimony from her friends who said she wanted to xxx someone famous. This was clearly a set up that anyone on this board could have easily been a victim of...whether we had a "nice" or "obnoxious" personality.

As for the incident in Milledgeville, GA....ask yourself....if you decide to go out drinking with a bunch of friends to celebrate your birthday....and a hot young girl follows you around talking about having xxx with you and even grabs you (even she reports that she pinched Ben)...then the two of you decide to go into the back room (bathroom) to fool around. You decide to go. The two of you engage in some sexual act. Then... later in the evening... the girl and a small group of her sororiety sisters decide to claim sexual assault happen...then WTF are you suppose to do...?

For those on this board that can look past the baseless BS sexual assault accusations and want to criticize Big Ben for hanging out with friends, drinking on his birthday, bar hoping, and looking to get xxx with hot women...fine...God knows he could have done something less risky.

But IF that type of behavior / ritual is so bad and worth destroying a guy's name and career... then you might as well close down every single adult club, college town bar, and other places where THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR happen every single day.

For those on this board that want to say..."hey look...Ben represents the Steelers and the City of Pittsburgh"...then they should be out picketing every single bar in Pittsburgh, the Rooney's for allowing players who drink - go to bars - celebrate their birthdays with the opposite sex, and the NFL for allowing players in the league who partake in this exact same behavior on more than just their birthdays.

My point is... the media has done the media's job... by exploiting NORMAL behavior, sensationalizing the negative aspects of NORMAL BEHAVIOR (although unsavory), and turning Ben into the next anti-Christ.

Becaus people bought into the ONE SIDED reporting and bought into the IDIOT talking-heads on TV (who are interested in making this story bigger than life).... it forced the league to act out of desparation and it provided Roger (in the Patriots back pocket) Goodell to another opportunity to put his "Czar mark" on the NFL.

The SI story is like all other media goals...sell, sell, sell, sell, sell, sell, sell...... and as long as people continue to give these media sources their money for the way they report stories...... we will continue to have this "type of reporting" sensationalizing, exploiting, etc.... people.

Ben could have been more careful with how he partied.... but he did nothing that isn't being done right now... as I write these words... in every single town in the United States and around the world.

you right that behavior does happen every single day but the point here is the nfl will not tolerate it and neither will the steelers. its an honor and a privledge for someone to play in the nfl and they will not allow this kind of behavior. im actually happy he was suspended because maybe he will now mature and change his life for the better

SteelPride1207
05-05-2010, 07:32 PM
you right that behavior does happen every single day but the point here is the nfl will not tolerate it and neither will the steelers. its an honor and a privledge for someone to play in the nfl and they will not allow this kind of behavior. im actually happy he was suspended because maybe he will now mature and change his life for the better

What the league is really doing behind the fake battle cry of "cleaning up the league"...are two things:

1st) Pandering to the ridiculous response of the public that was directly influenced by the biased reporting of the media (all one sided...in order to sensationalize the story and make Ben look like a demon)...and...

2nd) Give Roger (I am owned by the Patriots) Goodell another opportunity to etch his status as "Czar" of the NFL.

If the league had the real intention of cleaning up their players behavior...they would have stated BEFORE the Ben case that they will punish players even IF they are never charged....and then proceed to do just that.

This suspension wreaks of NFL politics, cowardice (mainly by the Rooney's not to fight to have the ENTIRE story to come out instead of half the story used soley to demonize Ben), and another victory of the exploitation saavy media.

If Big Ben seriously broke the law, did something millions of other people were not doing, or went out of his way to directly and with the purpose of disparaging the Steelers or NFL...then he should be suspended. He did none of these.

Steelers17
05-05-2010, 07:46 PM
Frontal Lobe Damage - A Possibility:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/david_epstein/05/05/ben.roethlisberger/index.html?eref=sihp

I will permit others to address how many more head shots the guy should be exposed to. :noidea:

fansince'76
05-05-2010, 08:27 PM
If the league had the real intention of cleaning up their players behavior...they would have stated BEFORE the Ben case that they will punish players even IF they are never charged....and then proceed to do just that.

And a POS like Pacman Jones wouldn't be getting yet ANOTHER shot. :coffee:

stillers4me
05-05-2010, 08:29 PM
And a POS like Pacman Jones wouldn't be getting yet ANOTHER shot. :coffee:

Anuthah winnah.......

stillers4me
05-05-2010, 08:33 PM
Frontal Lobe Damage - A Possibility:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/david_epstein/05/05/ben.roethlisberger/index.html?eref=sihp

I will permit others to address how many more head shots the guy should be exposed to. :noidea:

Isn't anybody allowed to just be stupid anymore? :hunch:

MasterOfPuppets
05-05-2010, 08:35 PM
According to Grafman, two particular behaviors are endemic to people with moderate or severe frontal lobe injury, or to people with more mild but repetitive injury: 1) violating social rules by saying inappropriate things, and 2) saying appropriate or typical things in an inappropriate context.

hey i have those symptoms ...:huh: everybody tells me i have no couth ... wait till those bastards find out its a medical condition that causes it...:chuckle:

zulater
05-05-2010, 08:56 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/marvez-local-charities-stick-by-big-ben-050310

Thanks.

Stone said Roethlisberger has hosted Make-A-Wish children for four years at Steelers home games. She described him as being “wonderful with our special-needs kids.”

“He’s met with kids from all over country, not just our chapter,” Stone said. “He’s a hot commodity.”

Roethlisberger also is the honorary local chairman of Ronald McDonald House Charities, which help provide financial assistance to in-need children with medical problems. Roethlisberger’s foundation has donated $15,000 to the group. He also has provided expensive dinners for families staying inside the house.

“He is so good with our kids,” Ronald McDonald House Charities of Pittsburgh executive director Barbara Reed Martin said. “When he talks to them, he makes them feel as if they were the only person in the room. When a kid isn’t feeling good, he knows exactly what they need to hear to feel better.”

Asked about whether the claims made against Roethlisberger would impact his work with Ronald McDonald House, Martin said, “We don’t really know what happened (in Milledgeville) ... We want to invite anybody who cares about the well-being of kids and their families to work with us. He’s definitely in that category.”

I'm thinking of adding some part of this to make a new signature.

Fire Haley
05-05-2010, 09:57 PM
Don't you guys have proper gold digger groupies in Pittsburgh? lol

When I go to the bars, the beotches buy shots for me....top shelf
My pimp hand is strong



Ben has a lot to learn

Shea
05-05-2010, 10:43 PM
And according to a brother of a friend of a cousin's sister's father's aunt, Ben's a jerk. :coffee:

Actually, that part of the story was up on TMZ yesterday. They've been right on it about the whole Ben situation so what the hell!? I'll believe them.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/04/ben-roethlisberger-us-congressman-tom-rooney-florida-pittsburgh-steelers-idiot/

Isn't anybody allowed to just be stupid anymore? :hunch:

I'd feel the same way if it was just an issue of stupidity and would still have Ben's back if that were the case here.
But Ben is mean to people and that's something I can't stand or tolerate in anyone.

fansince'76
05-05-2010, 10:54 PM
Actually, that part of the story was up on TMZ yesterday. They've been right on it about the whole Ben situation so what the hell!? I'll believe them.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/04/ben-roethlisberger-us-congressman-tom-rooney-florida-pittsburgh-steelers-idiot/

I was actually sarcastically hinting at how "reporting" something through 3rd-hand accounts (seemingly a favorite pastime of Florio's) makes a "story" seem more like gossip than journalism.

Shea
05-05-2010, 11:01 PM
I was actually sarcastically hinting at how "reporting" something through 3rd-hand accounts (seemingly a favorite pastime of Florio's) makes a "story" seem more like gossip than journalism.

Oops. My bad.

Sorry, I read ya wrong on that one.

fansince'76
05-05-2010, 11:06 PM
Oops. My bad.

Sorry, I read ya wrong on that one.

No problem - I just enjoy bagging on Mike Florio. :drink: :chuckle:

Fire Haley
05-05-2010, 11:10 PM
But Ben is mean to people and that's something I can't stand or tolerate in anyone.

My slavegirls say I'm the gentlest of them all

Shea
05-05-2010, 11:30 PM
Oh my God ...... :toofunny:

Killer, you are killin' me tonight. No pun intended but damn dude .... :sofunny:

Fire Haley
05-05-2010, 11:42 PM
Are you blushing?

that's hot

zulater
05-06-2010, 11:54 AM
http://draftsteel.com/ff/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7925 posted by gut

I'm old enough to remember when news was news and opinions were largely confined to the OpEd pages.

But now what gets attention and sells is triggering emotional responses. News is now slanted to appeal to whatever human interest the writer thinks will elicit the biggest response.

It's just a feeding frenzy with Ben. People literally seem to want to read and believe the worst about the guy, and the media is all to eager to oblige. I don't know what to say other than it's a sad commentary that people need to be outraged and disgusted with Ben. It's almost like everyone decided he was guilty and was anxiously awaiting his being tossed into prison and because he was never arrested there's this huge void to fill. I think a lot of people are happy to see this because they feel he needs to be punished for GA, and whether this stuff is true or not, non-starters or not, it's justified because it "serves a greater good".

People laughed at Tiger. They shook their head at Kobe. But with Ben it's just hateful. It's this bitterness over feeling betrayed by a guy most don't know or ever met simply because the guy is human and makes mistakes like the rest of us. I just shake my head when I hear about Ben being "the face of the franchise...represents PIT". Really?!? The guy throws a f#@&ing football for a living. How do people form these misguided perceptions that athletes should be better people? You read that SI article and it's just like "are you kidding me? this is why you hate the guy? this is your basis for believing he's a horrible person"

WH
05-06-2010, 12:00 PM
JC fixed that margins?!?!?

Prok
05-06-2010, 12:03 PM
http://draftsteel.com/ff/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7925 posted by gut

I'm old enough to remember when news was news and opinions were largely confined to the OpEd pages.

But now what gets attention and sells is triggering emotional responses. News is now slanted to appeal to whatever human interest the writer thinks will elicit the biggest response.

It's just a feeding frenzy with Ben. People literally seem to want to read and believe the worst about the guy, and the media is all to eager to oblige. I don't know what to say other than it's a sad commentary that people need to be outraged and disgusted with Ben. It's almost like everyone decided he was guilty and was anxiously awaiting his being tossed into prison and because he was never arrested there's this huge void to fill. I think a lot of people are happy to see this because they feel he needs to be punished for GA, and whether this stuff is true or not, non-starters or not, it's justified because it "serves a greater good".

People laughed at Tiger. They shook their head at Kobe. But with Ben it's just hateful. It's this bitterness over feeling betrayed by a guy most don't know or ever met simply because the guy is human and makes mistakes like the rest of us. I just shake my head when I hear about Ben being "the face of the franchise...represents PIT". Really?!? The guy throws a f#@&ing football for a living. How do people form these misguided perceptions that athletes should be better people? You read that SI article and it's just like "are you kidding me? this is why you hate the guy? this is your basis for believing he's a horrible person"

You have moved into my second favorite poster slot. Right behind Killer.

:chuckle:

zulater
05-06-2010, 12:23 PM
JC fixed that margins?!?!?

Yep all fixed. :thumbsup:

SteelKnight
05-06-2010, 01:44 PM
http://draftsteel.com/ff/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7925 posted by gut

I'm old enough to remember when news was news and opinions were largely confined to the OpEd pages.



People laughed at Tiger. They shook their head at Kobe. But with Ben it's just hateful.

Oh...I think Tiger got it worse. Kobe, in retrospect turned out OK but maybe it is just because of time. At the time it was pretty bad...I remember. I was at a party of non-basketball fans and even they were talking about it. Kobe's career will always be tainted...probably like Ben's. Even I was a snob towards Kobe (and they found another guys sperm in that girls underwear). Even when the McNulty case happened and someone tried to compare it to Kobe, I went into how the two cases were different. Now...what? I think after a year or two, people will get tired of talking about it...as long as he does well.

Prok
05-06-2010, 03:52 PM
Oh boy let's see how this LT story plays out. I wonder how many of us are keeping an eye on court of public opinion.

:wave:

BlastFurnace
05-06-2010, 04:16 PM
http://draftsteel.com/ff/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7925 posted by gut

I'm old enough to remember when news was news and opinions were largely confined to the OpEd pages.

But now what gets attention and sells is triggering emotional responses. News is now slanted to appeal to whatever human interest the writer thinks will elicit the biggest response.

It's just a feeding frenzy with Ben. People literally seem to want to read and believe the worst about the guy, and the media is all to eager to oblige. I don't know what to say other than it's a sad commentary that people need to be outraged and disgusted with Ben. It's almost like everyone decided he was guilty and was anxiously awaiting his being tossed into prison and because he was never arrested there's this huge void to fill. I think a lot of people are happy to see this because they feel he needs to be punished for GA, and whether this stuff is true or not, non-starters or not, it's justified because it "serves a greater good".

People laughed at Tiger. They shook their head at Kobe. But with Ben it's just hateful. It's this bitterness over feeling betrayed by a guy most don't know or ever met simply because the guy is human and makes mistakes like the rest of us. I just shake my head when I hear about Ben being "the face of the franchise...represents PIT". Really?!? The guy throws a f#@&ing football for a living. How do people form these misguided perceptions that athletes should be better people? You read that SI article and it's just like "are you kidding me? this is why you hate the guy? this is your basis for believing he's a horrible person"

Nice Post. It has moved on to hatred. People act like he personally hurt them. He is a QB. That is it. Any other importance people put him in their lives shows that those people have other issues.

Florida_Steelers_Fan
05-06-2010, 08:13 PM
Dear Lawrence,

Thank you...

Signed, Ben

MasterOfPuppets
05-06-2010, 08:39 PM
Nice Post. It has moved on to hatred. People act like he personally hurt them. He is a QB. That is it. Any other importance people put him in their lives shows that those people have other issues.

well actually he did ruin the criminal smack i often enjoyed laying on bengal and raven fans.... :shake02:

stillers4me
05-06-2010, 08:44 PM
well actually he did ruin the criminal smack i often enjoyed laying on bengal and raven fans.... :shake02:

We have a loooooong way to go to catch up the the bungs.

Godfather
05-06-2010, 08:59 PM
We have a loooooong way to go to catch up the the bungs.

Especially if they sign Pacman.

mustaffa
05-06-2010, 09:00 PM
caller exposes Ben back in 2009...

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zulater
05-06-2010, 09:26 PM
caller exposes Ben back in 2009...

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Were you the caller? :flap: :sofunny:

You think that insane rant is going to impress us?! :doh:


What an idiot!!! :toofunny:

devilsdancefloor
05-06-2010, 09:42 PM
caller exposes Ben back in 2009...

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:yawn:

Glace
05-07-2010, 02:53 AM
HolyTaco.com put a bunch of photoshopped parody pictures up of the kid in Philly that got tasered....Ben made the list...

I kinda laughed a little.

http://cdn.holytaco.com/www/sites/default/files/images/2009/12/bigbentaser.jpg

HometownGal
05-07-2010, 05:47 AM
caller exposes Ben back in 2009...

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That dude seriously needs to put the crack pipe down or find a different dealer. That shit was definitely tainted with sawdust. :shake02:

What a kook. :screwy:

WH
05-07-2010, 05:51 AM
Tim Benz (the radio host in that video) is a hack. How they ditched Alan Cox for that moron is beyond me.

Dino 6 Rings
05-07-2010, 08:35 AM
That dude seriously needs to put the crack pipe down or find a different dealer. That shit was definitely tainted with sawdust. :shake02:

What a kook. :screwy:

Hey...how did Jeremy get back on the board!!! :rofl:

siss
05-07-2010, 10:29 AM
I have been thinking of ways for Ben to make nice. Here's a few.
1. Pay the Steelers the fine the NFL charged them.
2. Do a charity event were Ben serves the fans food (no Alcohol though) and donates it to charity. Actually the Steelers team should do it.
3. Go to every bar/resturaunt that bitched an moaned about him and apologize to any waiter or waitress. Eat dinner there. PAY FOR IT. And leave a very nice tip.
4. Donate $3000 (the cost of an average wish) to make a wish everytime the steelers score (double it during his suspension and the playoffs)
5. Cater diner for his teamates
6. Sell his house in Georgia
7. Save the money he isnt spending on drinking and donate it to charity
8. Work his ass off for the rest of the offseason and his suspension to be in the best shape of his life.
9. Win another super bowl
10. BE NICE TO EVERYONE. Someone needs to tell him you catch more flies with honey and not vinegar.
11. Finish his degree from Miami University
12. Get a girlfriend ( Ben should not have a problem even now, in fact I volenteer my services) and be seen with her treating her with respect
Also if Ben doesn't get his suspension down to 4 games I would bet the first born all of this won't really matter.

HometownGal
05-07-2010, 08:16 PM
Hey...how did Jeremy get back on the board!!! :rofl:

"Big Ben The Godsend". :chuckle: :laughing: That still to this day cracks me the hell up. :rofl:

Mistah_Q
05-07-2010, 08:31 PM
Anyone remember Ben getting in trouble long ago for writing "Play For Jesus" on his shoes?

fansince'76
05-08-2010, 02:10 AM
Anyone remember Ben getting in trouble long ago for writing "Play For Jesus" on his shoes?

Yep. I also remember him catching a bunch of shit for "grandstanding" by donating his very first playoff game check to the Asian Tsunami victims. He's always been damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

WH
05-08-2010, 02:57 AM
Yep. I also remember him catching a bunch of shit for "grandstanding" by donating his very first playoff game check to the Asian Tsunami victims. Tax write off.

SteelKnight
05-08-2010, 05:27 AM
I have been thinking of ways for Ben to make nice. Here's a few.
1. Pay the Steelers the fine the NFL charged them.


That fine has been very misleading and blown way out of proportion by the media and people trying to make Goodlell seem evil. It is very fair and Ben shouldn't pay anything.

Here's how it works: When a player gets suspended, he loses his salary for those games. His team POCKETS the money for God knows what.

According to the rules if more than one player is found to have an issue per a given year (Holmes, Ben) the team must forfeit part of that salary to the league.

This is totally fair. Ben shouldn't pay anything because the money the Rooneys are forking over is a portion of the money he would have gotten if he was not suspended.

All the rule is saying is the Steelers don't get to keep all of Ben's suspended money...they must give some back to the League.

The media likes to rile up crazy fans. Goodell is a good guy.

SteelKnight
05-08-2010, 05:44 AM
Ben, Ben, Ben...I wish I could go back and do something. There are only 3 players on the whole Steelers team that would not have been cut or traded and given another chance...Ben, Troy and Hines.

I can't believe out of ALL the players in the whole league, it has to be my favorite player. Then Sweed...if you asked me which player I was curious to see in training camp, it was Sweed.

I hope Ben can recover. I think he can win another one or two while he is still young but I also think he could have the chance to win a couple towards the end of his career after Brady and Manning are gone. He will be the head vet ...Ben vs Rivers. If you think I'm wrong about things clearing up, it certainly helped the Rams, Eagles and Carolina get to the Superbowl once there was no more Montana, Young, Aikman and no Romo yet.

stillers4me
05-08-2010, 05:47 AM
Tax write off.

So is any donation, albiet only $10, to any charity cause.

What a jerk he is....Ben makes more for one game than I make all year and he just gives it away to some foreign people. :coffee:

WH
05-08-2010, 05:51 AM
So is any donation, albiet only $10, to any charity cause.

What a jerk he is....Ben makes more for one game than I make all year and he just gives it away to some foreign people. :coffee:
I was voicing the unrational thought of the masses.

SteelKnight
05-08-2010, 07:33 AM
If you are feeling down on Ben, just watch this old video. I just love it and I can't keep from watching it over andf over. One of my favorite passes is the Arizona one to Holmes (not Super Bowl). The one handed grab vs Rams great too. The Arizona one is a tru 52 yard pass...not a shorter pass with YAC. He was on the 51 and his pass landed one yard in the end zone. Absolutey beautiful. The Rams one is like a 54 yarder because he is like 6 or 7 yards deep in the endzone and he tosses it to the 48.

Enjoy (warning: addicting).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XUdoNla4TU

SteelKnight
05-09-2010, 12:35 PM
My honest opinion of what might have happened is (if the girl is the girl is telling the truth):

When she said "We don't need to do this" Ben didn't realize that that is how some of those southerners talk. He might have thought she meant they don't need to do it to prove they like each other or for the night to have been a successful flirting night. After all, he was drunk. I myself thought it was a weird passive way to speak but it sound's like that's the way some Southerners say "shouldn't" as evidenced by what her friend told the "bodyguard". "She doesn't need to be back there" apparently translates in the south to "shouldn't be". What her friend wanted to say was "She shouldn't be back there."

So "we don't need to" means "we shouldn't" and "She doesn't need to be" means "She shouldn't be" in the South it sounds like. It makes sense but it is such an indirect passive way of speaking that it could lead to confusion.

Next...when she said "This is not OK", I believe Ben thought she was referring to the location or getting in trouble with the Bar by doing it in public. Maybe this is why Ben kept reassuring her it was OK...He was saying that he is cool with the owners so they won't get in trouble and nobody will walk in on them. Instead of rephrasing her point, she keep repeating the same thing over so she got the same reassurances. Why not just say "No, I don't want to have s with you." or "This is rape". Was she really afraid he would kill her?

Because he thought she was talking about the location not being OK, when she walked into the bathroom, maybe he thought she was looking for a more private place. Why not communicate effectively? It also wouldn't surprise me if she was drunk and laughing while she was saying "This is not OK." Maybe her laugh was even out of nervousness or not wanting to seem too prudish so she thought she would refuse in a charming playful way. Later her groaning was probably indistinguishable between pleasure and disgust.

So I think this girl who was drunk and laughing after kissing a bit probably said "No, ha ha, this is not OK". She then gets up and walks into the private Bathroom (maybe she even decided she would use it and pulls down her panties) and Ben follows ...they kiss some more. She laughs. Again she says "No... This is not OK. We don't need to do this". Ben assures her "It's OK". Notice she never said she tried to get out and Ben blocked her way. The moment she realized it wasn't an exit she should have turned around and tried to leave and if Ben blocked her, she should have gotten serious and said "I want to leave". She didn't so Ben had no idea. Notice both times she gave reports to the police, neither time did she say "He raped me." or even "He forced me to have sex."

I'm not saying Ben wasn't irresponsible but I think he is suffering because this girl was passive (non assertive) and a poor communicator (on top of being drunk) ...all coupled with southern terminology. She sounds like she was too scared to say what she really meant. Maybe she had been raped in the past and this left her in a state of nervousness beyond her true danger she would have experienced from being more assertive.

That's what I think happened...either that or she outright lied after feeling used or even enjoyed it but felt manipulated by the alcohol and felt if she wasn't drunk, she would not have agreed to it.

All I know is Ben didn't go in there and forcibly rape her against her will while she was crystal clear it was a rape and she did not want to have sex with him.

siss
05-09-2010, 12:50 PM
Bottom line: They were both drunk and stupid. Ben had more to lose then her and should have walked away when he had the chance.

stillers4me
05-09-2010, 12:57 PM
Yep....there was a lot of skank going on that night but Ben should have known better, should have been the one to make the responsible decisions.

Let's hope he's had one helluva major epiphany. :drink:

Alex G.
05-09-2010, 01:04 PM
Article: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/steelers-owner-pens-interesting-letter-regarding-ben-roethlisberger

http://www.opposingviews.com/attachments/0004/6428/500x_rooney_letter.jpg?1273425772

Deadspin managed to get their hands a very interesting letter sent by Pittsburgh Steelers owner Art Rooney II.

The letter begins with an apology to the fan who initiated contact with the Steelers organization. Rooney then goes into a firm guarantee that Ben Roethlisberger’s actions in Georgia were not taken lightly. The letter closes as most letters do, with the Steelers’ owner thanking the fan for taking the time to write the letter in the first place.

The best part of the letter, however, comes in between the first and last paragraphs.

"The vast majority of our players are good people who work hard to be the best that they can be."

The vast majority?

Rooney would have been better served simply coming out and saying: “Don’t use Ben to judge the entire organization. We have players who are actually good people playing for us too.”

Last month, Fred Bright, district attorney for Georgia’s Ocmulgee Judicial District, decided to not file charges against Roethlisberger for sexual assault. Investigations into an accusation -- a 20-year-old woman claimed the Steelers quarterback assaulted her in the bathroom of a Georgia nightclub -- showed there was not enough proof to bring charges.

This was the second sexual assault accusation made against Roethlisberger in less than a year.

Despite never actually being convicted of sexual assault, he was suspended by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell for the first six games of the 2010-11 NFL season for conduct detrimental to the league.

Prok
05-09-2010, 01:07 PM
If you are feeling down on Ben, just watch this old video. I just love it and I can't keep from watching it over andf over. One of my favorite passes is the Arizona one to Holmes (not Super Bowl). The one handed grab vs Rams great too. The Arizona one is a tru 52 yard pass...not a shorter pass with YAC. He was on the 51 and his pass landed one yard in the end zone. Absolutey beautiful. The Rams one is like a 54 yarder because he is like 6 or 7 yards deep in the endzone and he tosses it to the 48.

Enjoy (warning: addicting).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XUdoNla4TU

Great stuff. i never worry about some of the deep under-throws he has had. They all seem to get caught anyway. lol

But man,watching him throw from the pocket then scramble and make the toughest throws brings back memories of John Elway. Now I know how Denver fans felt in the 80's and 90's.

:tt:

Prok
05-09-2010, 01:11 PM
Yet another case of a writer "reading between the lines" to bash Ben ?

Yay for the media.

:doh:

siss
05-09-2010, 01:13 PM
Forget about the Rooney's trading him. Ben is going to be the one to ask for a trade.

siss
05-09-2010, 01:15 PM
Well enjoy him while he's here. Because if the Rooney's don't back him sooner or later then he won't be here much longer.

stillers4me
05-09-2010, 01:20 PM
I bet those boys that Ben forked over $17,000 to cover their ENTIRE EXPENSES for a football tourney think he's pretty good people.

It's easy, right now, to forget about all the good things that Ben has done......... I think the Rooney's know he's a good person at heart and he'll move heaven and earth to prove it. (The Rooney's know their players better than we do.....Ben stayed and Santonio's gone.....maybe we should trust their judgement.) Ben knows he has disappointed the most important people in his life....his own family and his employers. He's going to do what's right and redeem himself to them. In doing so, the people that were his fans before all this happened will be proud of him again. The ones that he could never please, no matter what he did, will never be happy anyway.

Kanata-Steeler
05-09-2010, 01:25 PM
Art Rooney II
"...there will be consequences for behavior that does not meet our standards..."
:helmet:

Thankyou Art Rooney II, for that perfectly precise letter.
No one can dissagree with that !

just loverly.

Prok
05-09-2010, 01:29 PM
Forget about the Rooney's trading him. Ben is going to be the one to ask for a trade.

Couldn't blame the guy imo. As QB of the Steelers you have no margin for error apparently. Ppl will hold this against him the rest of his life imo.

Prok
05-09-2010, 01:31 PM
I bet those boys that Ben forked over $17,000 to cover their ENTIRE EXPENSES for a football tourney think he's pretty good people.

It's easy, right now, to forget about all the good things that Ben has done......... I think the Rooney's know he's a good person at heart and he'll move heaven and earth to prove it. (The Rooney's know their players better than we do.....Ben stayed and Santonio's gone.....maybe they we should trust their judgement.) Ben knows he has disappointed the most important people in his life....his own family and his employers. He's going to do what's right and redeem himself to them. In doing so, the people that were his fans before all this happened will be proud of him again. The ones that he could never please no matter what he did, will never be happy anyway.

Well put.

devilsdancefloor
05-09-2010, 02:59 PM
Well enjoy him while he's here. Because if the Rooney's don't back him sooner or later then he won't be here much longer.

in the mcnutty case they back him in fact at his press conference i remember seeing photos of coach and mr rooney in the back ground. He isnt going ask for a trade that would be career suicide and all though he hasnt been the smartest cookie int he jar the past few off seasons i do belive he understands that. there comes a time when you have to let people stand on their own to make them understand enough is enough youre on your own.

BlastFurnace
05-09-2010, 03:10 PM
Forget about the Rooney's trading him. Ben is going to be the one to ask for a trade.

I wouldn't blame him one bit either. Give it this season. After he behaves the rest of the season, he will ask for a trade. Then, some people will get what they want and have Dennis Dixon as the face of the franchise for the next 5 seasons and have Coach "Cliche" spin this in a positive direction with "The Men" we have on the roster. Then, the Steelers can return this to the "Family Atmosphere" that they believe they have always had...in their own mind.

Prok
05-09-2010, 03:51 PM
I wouldn't blame him one bit either. Give it this season. After he behaves the rest of the season, he will ask for a trade. Then, some people will get what they want and have Dennis Dixon as the face of the franchise for the next 5 seasons and have Coach "Cliche" spin this in a positive direction with "The Men" we have on the roster. Then, the Steelers can return this to the "Family Atmosphere" that they believe they have always had...in their own mind.

Then if/when DD has ANY off-field issues happen to him he will get the same treatment. Or maybe if he has no off-field issues rampant rumors of him being gay etc... will start popping up.

Oh and we'll also be welcoming the 80's back with open arms. lol

Ahh the 80's were such simpler and happier times to be a Steelers fan.

:toofunny:

SteelKnight
05-09-2010, 06:22 PM
Then if/when DD has ANY off-field issues happen to him he will get the same treatment. Or maybe if he has no off-field issues rampant rumors of him being gay etc... will start popping up.

Oh and we'll also be welcoming the 80's back with open arms. lol

Ahh the 80's were such simpler and happier times to be a Steelers fan.

:toofunny:

lol on the 80s man. I remember being a loyal but slightly embarrassed Steelers fan. My friends would say "The Steelers? They haven't won anything since the 70s." I would say, "That's not true. They won one in the 80s." That would make them back off but i knew full well it was the 1979 season and the Superbowl just happened to be January 1980...lol So it wasn't a lie but it barely helped me save face.

Ah...the 80s...lol

siss
05-09-2010, 06:26 PM
in the mcnutty case they back him in fact at his press conference i remember seeing photos of coach and mr rooney in the back ground. He isnt going ask for a trade that would be career suicide and all though he hasnt been the smartest cookie int he jar the past few off seasons i do belive he understands that. there comes a time when you have to let people stand on their own to make them understand enough is enough youre on your own.

And I hope thats the case. I also hope that as Ben completes some of his counseling and we go into training camp, the Rooney's will show some support to Ben.

steeldawg
05-09-2010, 06:33 PM
what happens if ben wins the counter suit against mcnutty and it turns out he's the victim ? How will the commish and the media react after all there has been so much made of this behavior pattern?

polamalubeast
05-09-2010, 06:57 PM
Would you sign Jamarcus Russel as a Steeler?:toofunny:

Steelers17
05-09-2010, 09:50 PM
Would you sign Jamarcus Russel as a Steeler?:toofunny:

Probably not in that JaMarcus scored 1-point lower on the Wonderlic than BB at 24! :tt03:

Shea
05-09-2010, 10:46 PM
Forget about the Rooney's trading him. Ben is going to be the one to ask for a trade.

Why would Ben ask to be traded?

And I hope thats the case. I also hope that as Ben completes some of his counseling and we go into training camp, the Rooney's will show some support to Ben.

If Ben's behavior drastically changes and he's shown that he is worthy of support, what gives you the idea that the Rooney's wouldn't acknowledge that and his efforts?

The Rooney's aren't the ones in the wrong here.

siss
05-09-2010, 11:02 PM
Why would Ben ask to be traded?



If Ben's behavior drastically changes and he's shown that he is worthy of support, what gives you the idea that the Rooney's wouldn't acknowledge that and his efforts?

The Rooney's aren't the ones in the wrong here.
The first quote is from the post about the letter Art 2 wrote. They are not in the wrong here. But Rooney could at least come out and say he's our guy. He made mistakes, but he is trying to work on them and we support him. Kevin Colbert came out and said it. I think it would go a long way for Rooney to do it as well.

fansince'76
05-09-2010, 11:14 PM
The first quote is from the post about the letter Art 2 wrote. They are not in the wrong here. But Rooney could at least come out and say he's our guy. He made mistakes, but he is trying to work on them and we support him. Kevin Colbert came out and said it. I think it would go a long way for Rooney to do it as well.

Rooney did:

"I have made it clear to Ben that his conduct in this incident did not live up to our standards. We have made it very clear to Ben that there will be consequences for his actions, and Ben has indicated to us that he is willing to accept those consequences.

"As you maybe aware, Ben has rejoined the team in participating in our offseason conditioning program. We allowed Ben to do this after we were convinced that he was sincerely contrite for his past behavior, as well having Ben's assurance that he is firmly committed to working hard everyday to regain the trust and respect of this organization and Steelers fans.

"After imposing an appropriate level of discipline and outlining the steps we feel will be necessary to be successful as a player and a person, we intend to allow Ben the opportunity to prove to us he is the teammate and citizen we all believe he is capable of being. And we hope the entire Steelers community will allow Ben the opportunity to prove to them that he deserves their trust and their respect.

http://kdka.com/local/Art.Rooney.statement.2.1635549.html

siss
05-09-2010, 11:18 PM
Rooney did:



http://kdka.com/local/Art.Rooney.statement.2.1635549.html

And then he turns around and writes a letter to a fan about how a majority of our guys are good guys.

Shea
05-09-2010, 11:22 PM
The first quote is from the post about the letter Art 2 wrote. They are not in the wrong here. But Rooney could at least come out and say he's our guy. He made mistakes, but he is trying to work on them and we support him. Kevin Colbert came out and said it. I think it would go a long way for Rooney to do it as well.

And to me that's telling why they haven't done just that.

They know a hell of a lot more about Ben then we or the media do.

I'm thinking they aren't sure anymore if Ben is "their guy" and are hoping against hope that this finally wakes Ben's ass up into becoming a better human being. Although, I don't see how an asshole can change their ways - you either are one or you aren't.

And it's not easy to part ways with an elite QB and because of that I firmly believe that if Ben played any other position on the gridiron, than his ass would have been long dealt just like Holmes was, and this discussion would be moot.

I think the Rooney's are skeptical, as they should be.

Shea
05-09-2010, 11:26 PM
And then he turns around and writes a letter to a fan about how a majority of our guys are good guys.

But where was he wrong within that letter? He was just being truthful.

Ben isn't anywhere close to being a "good guy" and I strongly doubt he ever will be.

fansince'76
05-09-2010, 11:27 PM
And then he turns around and writes a letter to a fan about how a majority of our guys are good guys.

Even though I think the media coverage of this whole thing has been sensationalized to the hilt, one-sided and completely unfair, Ben DID put himself in that position and embarrassed the franchise. He needs to earn the full support of the Rooneys back, IMO. He can start doing so by growing the hell up and stop hanging around with college girls.

zulater
05-10-2010, 05:56 AM
Even though I think the media coverage of this whole thing has been sensationalized to the hilt, one-sided and completely unfair, Ben DID put himself in that position and embarrassed the franchise. He needs to earn the full support of the Rooneys back, IMO. He can start doing so by growing the hell up and stop hanging around with college girls.

McNutty is in her late 20's, (though she looks like she could be in her mid 30's :pity:) so that's not what it's about in my opinion. I honestly don't see anything wrong with a just turned 28 year old trying to get lucky with a 20 year old girl.

I think the thing Ben needs to avoid is one night stands. Take a girl out a few times before trying to get busy. And even more important he needs to start treating woman with respect and not looking at them strictly as conquests. I really think that's where Ben is buying his trouble. And while I don't think Ben is commiting any criminal offense against these girls, what I do think is happening is that when he's done with them he treats them like dirt and they walk away feeling ashamed and compromised. The oldest saying in the book is, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. I'll leave it at that.

Of course one thing we all learned just recently, stay away from the hookers Ben. Because we just know if Ben decided to go to the ho house there would be a TMZ camera following him or even worse he could end up LT'd and find out he just bedded a 17 year old. :doh::dang:

HometownGal
05-10-2010, 06:39 AM
Even though I think the media coverage of this whole thing has been sensationalized to the hilt, one-sided and completely unfair, Ben DID put himself in that position and embarrassed the franchise. He needs to earn the full support of the Rooneys back, IMO. He can start doing so by growing the hell up and stop hanging around with college girls.

Absolutely. :applaudit: :thumbsup:

He also needs to start using the head on his shoulders when out and about instead of allowing Willie the one-eyed Wonder Worm to dic-tate (:chuckle:) his actions.

siss
05-10-2010, 08:33 AM
Absolutely. :applaudit: :thumbsup:

He also needs to start using the head on his shoulders when out and about instead of allowing Willie the one-eyed Wonder Worm to dic-tate (:chuckle:) his actions.

If ever thee were a person that needed to settle down, its Ben Roethlisberger.

truesteelerfan
05-11-2010, 12:05 PM
Is this REALLY how the majority of Steelers fans feel? If so, I am absolutely on the outside looking in as I don't agree with this article at all....at least the headline. I would think my beliefs are similiar to the interviews with Snack or other players..

This is a game....the NFL is about winning games....and #7 most likely will be won by the Steelers when #7 is our QB.....


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-roethlisberger-pittsburgh


:banging:

stairway27
05-11-2010, 12:21 PM
I was wondering the same thing. I'd like to hear from people on this board that actually live in the Burgh. I don't, so I read stuff like this all the time, and I am wondering if this is just the media making it sound worse than it is, because they hate Ben, or is it really that bad? It seems like the majority of the people on this board, myself included, want Ben as our QB.

dave n'at
05-11-2010, 12:28 PM
Is this REALLY how the majority of Steelers fans feel? If so, I am absolutely on the outside looking in as I don't agree with this article at all....at least the headline. I would think my beliefs are similiar to the interviews with Snack or other players..

This is a game....the NFL is about winning games....and #7 most likely will be won by the Steelers when #7 is our QB.....


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-roethlisberger-pittsburgh


:banging:

i agree with you. the jury of the general public might be damning Ben but as long as we're in America, I believe the phrase is "Innocent until proven guilty". I'm of the opinion you can't condemn a person who hasn't even been formally charged let alone convicted.

Don't get me wrong, had Ben been convicted of something I'd be in complete agreement to banish him from the team and the city, but unless we're in 1690's Salem, that shouldn't even be considered based on accusations that are iffy at best.

Steelerfreak58
05-11-2010, 12:36 PM
We will see who boo's him when he has 2 minutes left on the clock and marches the offense down field to win a game.

I think the whole thing is just blown way to far out of proportion but then again media news loves this kind of shit.

plenewken
05-11-2010, 01:18 PM
Absolutely. :applaudit: :thumbsup:

He also needs to start using the head on his shoulders when out and about instead of allowing Willie the one-eyed Wonder Worm to dic-tate (:chuckle:) his actions.

I heard things from several friends here in the Burgh who have come across Ben in bars, restaurants and golf courses. I trust them 100% and they related to me a couple of episodes which have nothing to do with sexual assault.
I also personally know a kid who graduated from Miami University of OH with Ben and who told me that Ben wasn't well appreciated as a person back then.
What I heard from these different sources tells me that Ben is a total jerk.

Prok
05-11-2010, 01:30 PM
i agree with you. the jury of the general public might be damning Ben but as long as we're in America, I believe the phrase is "Innocent until proven guilty". I'm of the opinion you can't condemn a person who hasn't even been formally charged let alone convicted.

Don't get me wrong, had Ben been convicted of something I'd be in complete agreement to banish him from the team and the city, but unless we're in 1690's Salem, that shouldn't even be considered based on accusations that are iffy at best.

Good post. I think what sealed it for me is the DA pretty much saying "We don't even have probable cause for an arrest in this case."

No charges, period.

Ben is NOT the bad guy many are portraying him to be. And IMHO he WILL prove that true as time passes.

zulater
05-11-2010, 02:45 PM
I heard things from several friends here in the Burgh who have come across Ben in bars, restaurants and golf courses. I trust them 100% and they related to me a couple of episodes which have nothing to do with sexual assault.
I also personally know a kid who graduated from Miami University of OH with Ben and who told me that Ben wasn't well appreciated as a person back then.
What I heard from these different sources tells me that Ben is a total jerk.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09222/989873-66.stm#ixzz0nYBWDQyi


On campus in Oxford, Ohio, friends said, Mr. Roethlisberger was not much of a partygoer.

"He would come and stop by the football get-togethers, but he wouldn't go up to the bars," said former teammate J.D. Vonderheide, now the director of football operations at Miami. "He would stay and hang out with his close friends. ... They weren't getting in trouble or any of that stuff. I think he knew even at that point in time what was at stake."

As in high school, Mr. Roethlisberger had a couple of serious girlfriends, Mr. Iriti said, and was not considered a "player" with the ladies.

When it came to football, of course, Mr. Roethlisberger became one of the best players in Miami history. He started all three years there, broke nearly every school passing record and became an All-American. The Steelers grabbed him with the No. 11 overall pick in the 2004 NFL draft.

Mr. Roethlisberger moved to a townhouse on Washington's Landing during the summer before his rookie year and largely kept to himself. He surprised neighbors with his small-town manners, whether it was writing thank-you cards to those who had baked him pies, or one day helping a neighbor's ailing mother.

Sports radio host Mark Madden's late mother, Peggy Ann, lived with her son the last 2 1/2 years of her life while suffering from a lung disease. To leave the house for outings with friends, the former North Hills High teacher had to be helped up and down stairs, into a wheelchair and the car.

Once Mr. Madden fell asleep while his mother was out to lunch. He woke up, went into his kitchen and there was his mother -- who died in May 2006 -- drinking coffee with Mr. Roethlisberger, who had helped her into his home.

"It remains one of my fondest memories of her time here," Mr. Madden said. "It was something to see. It was amazing. ... I can't say enough great things about that moment."
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09222/989873-66.stm#ixzz0neTO1t3X

It all depends on who you talk to I guess? :noidea: I think Ben's one of those people that you best leave alone if you aren't part of his original party in a social situation.

VinnySteel
05-11-2010, 02:46 PM
I heard things from several friends here in the Burgh who have come across Ben in bars, restaurants and golf courses. I trust them 100% and they related to me a couple of episodes which have nothing to do with sexual assault.
I also personally know a kid who graduated from Miami University of OH with Ben and who told me that Ben wasn't well appreciated as a person back then.
What I heard from these different sources tells me that Ben is a total jerk.

I think in the context of the sexual assault cases, the fact that Ben is a jerk really makes people dislike him. But if before all that happened, if you were to tell me that Ben is a jerk, I really wouldn't care. I'm of the opinion that it really isn't fair that people's lives are open to the general public just because they are a celebrity. Also, lets say he's a bad tipper or he makes jerk comments or whatever, I mean how many of those stories you think are 100% true and how many do you think whoever is telling them is making some stuff up just to make it seem like it was a big deal? Don't believe everything you hear or read, let the guy live his life and lets give him a second chance to make things right.

Merchant
05-11-2010, 03:07 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d818110ab&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true


League waits to hear back on Roethlisberger, who finishes treatment
Jason La Canfora By Jason La Canfora | NFL.com

The NFL is awaiting further word regarding evaluations of Ben Roethlisberger, a source with knowledge of the situation said Tuesday, after the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback finished league-mandated treatment last week.

Roethlisberger completed a clinical evaluation -- ordered by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell following sexual-assault allegations against the quarterback led to no charges in April -- and there still could be a recommendation that he receive further treatment.

Goodell will move in a reasoned, measured pace in deciding when Roethlisberger can return to the Steelers' facility for offseason workouts. No decision is imminent, according to the source.

Steelers officials expect the quarterback to be back for their upcoming organized team activity sessions next month (June 1-3 and June 8-10) at the earliest, but they haven't been given a timetable or expectations from the league.

----------------------

He finished his treatment. That was pretty quick. Hopefully he can start practicing with the team again soon.

truesteelerfan
05-11-2010, 03:30 PM
traded:doh: for what ,can some please explain to me what crime he has commited :noidea:


I agree! He's only guilty of being stupid....Most football players aren't known for their brains....they don't have to decide between being brain surgeons or Nose Tackles.....He's the man who is most likely to bring us #7....Keep him as long as he'll produce for us

Prok
05-11-2010, 03:36 PM
I think in the context of the sexual assault cases, the fact that Ben is a jerk really makes people dislike him. But if before all that happened, if you were to tell me that Ben is a jerk, I really wouldn't care. I'm of the opinion that it really isn't fair that people's lives are open to the general public just because they are a celebrity. Also, lets say he's a bad tipper or he makes jerk comments or whatever, I mean how many of those stories you think are 100% true and how many do you think whoever is telling them is making some stuff up just to make it seem like it was a big deal? Don't believe everything you hear or read, let the guy live his life and lets give him a second chance to make things right.

Not sure what happened but the post you quoted was NOT by me. I'm 100% on Big Ben's side here. I think we should all let the guy make amends and get back to being the person he needs to be.

Not that he didn't put himself in a bad position, because he did. But I was a 28 yr old single man and know damn well i'd have been flirting with a 20 yr old pretty gal too. Happens at bars all the time.

Another thing that bothers the crap out of me is so many making huge deal out of the age difference. 8 years is really a huge difference now? My mom and dad are 13 years apart.

:noidea:

siss
05-11-2010, 04:03 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d818110ab&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true


League waits to hear back on Roethlisberger, who finishes treatment
Jason La Canfora By Jason La Canfora | NFL.com

The NFL is awaiting further word regarding evaluations of Ben Roethlisberger, a source with knowledge of the situation said Tuesday, after the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback finished league-mandated treatment last week.

Roethlisberger completed a clinical evaluation -- ordered by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell following sexual-assault allegations against the quarterback led to no charges in April -- and there still could be a recommendation that he receive further treatment.

Goodell will move in a reasoned, measured pace in deciding when Roethlisberger can return to the Steelers' facility for offseason workouts. No decision is imminent, according to the source.

Steelers officials expect the quarterback to be back for their upcoming organized team activity sessions next month (June 1-3 and June 8-10) at the earliest, but they haven't been given a timetable or expectations from the league.

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He finished his treatment. That was pretty quick. Hopefully he can start practicing with the team again soon.

It went like this:
Ben GROW UP (smack)

He's cured!

Ben will be fine!

plenewken
05-11-2010, 04:04 PM
I think in the context of the sexual assault cases, the fact that Ben is a jerk really makes people dislike him. But if before all that happened, if you were to tell me that Ben is a jerk, I really wouldn't care. I'm of the opinion that it really isn't fair that people's lives are open to the general public just because they are a celebrity. Also, lets say he's a bad tipper or he makes jerk comments or whatever, I mean how many of those stories you think are 100% true and how many do you think whoever is telling them is making some stuff up just to make it seem like it was a big deal? Don't believe everything you hear or read, let the guy live his life and lets give him a second chance to make things right.

You believe what you want.
What I was talking about was told to me LONG BEFORE the 2 sexual assault accusations happened.

siss
05-11-2010, 04:09 PM
You believe what you want.
What I was talking about was told to me LONG BEFORE the 2 sexual assault accusations happened.

But you didn't witness it? So then how do you know its true?

plenewken
05-11-2010, 04:16 PM
But you didn't witness it? So then how do you know its true?

Listen, I have enough "mileage" in my life to be able to differentiate between BS and reality. I also trust people who don't have a tendency to tell stories and particularly my long time friends.

By the way, did you read this? Mr Beranowski who owns the Cabana Bar must be lying too, no?

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_679645.html?feed=9

siss
05-11-2010, 04:27 PM
There are 2 sides to every story. Maybe he is a jerk. But him being a jerk and sexually assaulting someone are different things and I think its sad that people are equating the two to each other.

Prok
05-11-2010, 04:31 PM
There are 2 sides to every story. Maybe he is a jerk. But him being a jerk and sexually assaulting someone are different things and I think its sad that people are equating the two to each other.

I think it's sad that people are coming out of the woodwork to bash his character.

Listen, we are ALL humans. Not many of us can be great to everyone all the time. Simple fact of life.

And to not even know the guy personally and bash him? I don't understand the hatred.

plenewken
05-11-2010, 04:39 PM
There are 2 sides to every story. Maybe he is a jerk. But him being a jerk and sexually assaulting someone are different things and I think its sad that people are equating the two to each other.

I agree with you on this point but knowing that Ben can act like a jerk and be very boorish makes the sexual assault accusations all the more credible.
Keep in mind that he has not been convicted but he has not be found completely innocent either. That's a big difference.
In a Civil Court, chances that he would have been found guilty are much higher.

Also, another thing to ponder. I haven't heard or read anyone coming to Ben's defense during the latest incident. Like close friends, relatives, former college mates, etc .........
I mean someone saying something like "Ben couldn't have possibly done something like this. It's just not how he acts with people, particularly female". See what I mean?

siss
05-11-2010, 04:41 PM
I think it's sad that people are coming out of the woodwork to bash his character.

Listen, we are ALL humans. Not many of us can be great to everyone all the time. Simple fact of life.

And to not even know the guy personally and bash him? I don't understand the hatred.

The artificial Ben hate is awful!

KitsapSteve
05-11-2010, 05:30 PM
Stupid article on a Local Seattle TV station on BIg Ben,, They still cant get over the Super Bowl Loss

http://www.komonews.com/sports/93419644.html#IDCThread

polamalubeast
05-11-2010, 05:36 PM
seattle=:crying01::fingers::point::shake01::tap::d ang::laughing::champs::sign01::jerkit::poke::sadpa ce::finger::flipoff::toofunny::coffee::banging:

zulater
05-11-2010, 05:45 PM
I agree with you on this point but knowing that Ben can act like a jerk and be very boorish makes the sexual assault accusations all the more credible.
Keep in mind that he has not been convicted but he has not be found completely innocent either. That's a big difference.
In a Civil Court, chances that he would have been found guilty are much higher.

Well to date he hasn't been found liable in a civil suit either, so maybe you should wait and see what happens there before pronouncing judgement.



Also, another thing to ponder. I haven't heard or read anyone coming to Ben's defense during the latest incident. Like close friends, relatives, former college mates, etc .........

I think some will in time, right now Ben's doing what the team and league are asking of him. I think he's probably telling those that would defend him to wait for the approriate time.


I mean someone saying something like "Ben couldn't have possibly done something like this. It's just not how he acts with people, particularly female". See what I mean?

A true sexual predator is often the last guy you would suspect. That's why some of them get away with it for so long. You see the news and the neighbors all say, geez I never would have thought old John was the guy killing them hookers"

I'm not trying to make light of anything, but Ben's been investigated twice, in both cases there wasn't even close to suffecient evidence to indicate a crime occured. I'm still trying to get one of these people that are convinced Ben raped the girl in Ga. to explain how he did so without leaving any genetic markers behind after unprotected sex? :noidea:

Here's the truth, young white girls don't always tell the truth. If you put the evidence together and read the entire GBI report it should be pretty obvious that those girls stories varied greatly from day one to day two.

I think one of the most amazing things I discovered this spring is how a retired FBI agent who had a decorated career can be completedly discredited and dismissed by the NFL because it doesn't suite their purpose. This despite carefull documentation on the agent's part. But drunk of their ass sorority girls who's story evolve and then vanish, as in uh nevermind, we don't want to go foward now, well their second day witness accounts are trumped up as if they're the gospel of Jesus Christ himself!? :banging:

Sorry but I needed to vent. Ben might be a jerk at times, but he's not a rapist. I'd bet anything I own on that.

:coffee:

Edman
05-11-2010, 06:08 PM
"If you're so proud and not wanting to taint your image, give us that Lombardi trophy your city stole from us."

To have something "stolen" from you, that thing that was stolen has to be in your possession. And everyone knows that Lombardi Trophy was clearly "yours" before the game was even played.

Why not? It'll make NFL history. It'll be the first Super Bowl title ever won by a team that didn't score more points than the opponent.

Prok
05-11-2010, 06:15 PM
"If you're so proud and not wanting to taint your image, give us that Lombardi trophy your city stole from us."

To have something "stolen" from you, that thing that was stolen has to be in your possession. And everyone knows that Lombardi Trophy was clearly "yours" before the game was even played.

Why not? It'll make NFL history. It'll be the first Super Bowl title ever won by a team that didn't score more points than the opponent.

LOL

Ya know what I call that ?

cleveland loser attitude. Apparently it spreads. lol

Also: Piling on with a negative Big Ben article = Getting lots of readers. They should seriously pay the man royalties for this.

St33lersguy
05-11-2010, 06:29 PM
Just another loser seahawks fan who can't let go of something that happened 4 years ago

fansince'76
05-11-2010, 06:47 PM
"If you're so proud and not wanting to taint your image, give us that Lombardi trophy your city stole from us."

To have something "stolen" from you, that thing that was stolen has to be in your possession. And everyone knows that Lombardi Trophy was clearly "yours" before the game was even played.

Why not? It'll make NFL history. It'll be the first Super Bowl title ever won by a team that didn't score more points than the opponent.

What's laughable is that those latte-chugging, whiny-assed crybaby douchebags still think their team actually played well enough to win. They didn't. It was a lousy game on both teams' parts, and because it was such an ugly game to watch, the assholes in the media played up the officiating angle. Sorry, but 4+ years later, Jackson still pushed off, Locklear still held Haggans, and Ben still broke the plane.

Prok
05-11-2010, 06:51 PM
Well, separating the article from the comments- The article is, except in two or three spots, quite fair.

Of course, the very liberal arrogance shows itself in this paragraph
For those of you who don't live on the coasts-this is meant as a VERY pompous statement concerning "Flyover country". And very typical of coastal liberals.



I am not sure how two incidents, one of which resulted directly and quickly in the removal of a star player from the team and the other resulted in at least fielding questions concerning trades can be equated with teh Raiders and Bengals.

_________________

However, outside of those two statements, Pittsburgh and their fans, and the Rooneys are painted in a good light.

Ben? Well, you reap what you sow.

I'd be willing to bet anything that when this dies down and Ben leads us to another SB win in a couple years that there will be articles aplenty on " the fanbase and owners that didn't want their best player now have to celebrate for him".

"The man Pittsburgh hated has helped them to glory".

Kind of has a Bradshaw flavor to it. lol

steeldawg
05-11-2010, 09:57 PM
Listen, I have enough "mileage" in my life to be able to differentiate between BS and reality. I also trust people who don't have a tendency to tell stories and particularly my long time friends.

By the way, did you read this? Mr Beranowski who owns the Cabana Bar must be lying too, no?

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_679645.html?feed=9

Does anyone really care if plenewken's long time friend and Mr. Beranowski of the prestigious cabana bar think Ben is a jerk? :blah: :blah: :blah:

fansince'76
05-11-2010, 10:06 PM
Does anyone really care if plenewken's long time friend and Mr. Beranowski of the prestigious cabana bar think Ben is a jerk? :blah: :blah: :blah:

Not particularly, no. Especially when said anecdote is just a part of a longer, obvious hatchet job. :coffee:

tube517
05-11-2010, 11:32 PM
And they couldn't stop El's pass or FWP's record breaking run. Hey Seattle, SHEDDDDUP already. Your cryin sounds like the Cowboys of the 70's (Oh, we were the best team of the 70's blah blah blah)

What's laughable is that those latte-chugging, whiny-assed crybaby douchebags still think their team actually played well enough to win. They didn't. It was a lousy game on both teams' parts, and because it was such an ugly game to watch, the assholes in the media played up the officiating angle. Sorry, but 4+ years later, Jackson still pushed off, Locklear still held Haggans, and Ben still broke the plane.

steelerdude15
05-11-2010, 11:56 PM
Seattle can blow me, plan and simple.

siss
05-12-2010, 12:20 AM
I can't see Seattle from the glare of our 6 lombardi's!

Sharkissle29
05-12-2010, 12:48 AM
Roethlisberger: Cant Cut Him Cant Stand Him

http://www.fanhouse.com/news/main/roethlisberger-cant-cut-him-cant-stand/1055212


PITTSBURGH -It's fans like Becky Rickard that Ben Roethlisberger has lost.

The 33-year-old Rickard is a Pittsburgher and a fan of every team in town. She's come out to see the Pittsburgh Pirates play, even though they haven't had a winning season since 1992, when Roethlisberger was just a backyard quarterback.

She should love the Steelers and their six Super Bowl titles, including two under the direction of Roethlisberger. Right?

"I had a Ben jersey and gave it away," said Rickard, who on this night has replaced her expensive, tossed-aside Roethlisberger jersey with a Pirates T-shirt. "We're a proud city and we don't like anything to make us look bad. Ben has tainted what our image is."

Rickard might as well be speaking for many of the 300,000-plus citizens in this clannish Rust Belt town.

Roethlisberger has worn out his welcome in Pittsburgh.

The good will generated by those NFL titles, capped by his memorable last-minute TD pass to Santonio Holmes in the Super Bowl 15 months ago, is all gone. It's been lost in Roethlisberger's night of tearing through a Georgia college town wearing a devil T-shirt, one that ended with an underage college student accusing him of sexual assault in a nightclub bathroom. The case won't be prosecuted, but the quarterback's latest episode of bad behavior has destroyed his reputation in Pittsburgh and beyond, and shamed his team and its highly regarded owners.

And the twist is that while Pittsburgh can't stand him the Steelers can't cut him. At least not soon, given the $50 million the team has spent on Roethlisberger's salary and signing bonuses since 2008.



THE FANS

As virtually everyone in Pittsburgh knows, this isn't the first time Roethlisberger has found trouble.

He was already the defendant in a Nevada lawsuit, accused of sexually assaulting a hotel employee, when he and his entourage went out partying March 4 in Milledgeville, Ga.

Before that, there was the 2006 motorcycle accident after the first Super Bowl victory, with Roethlisberger getting badly injured while riding helmetless and without a permit.

Now there are hundreds of pages of police reports detailing his boorish actions in Georgia, and an unprecedented six-game NFL suspension (which could be reduced to four games) for a player not charged — much less convicted — of a crime.

Tales once whispered about Roethlisberger skipping out on restaurant bills or refusing to pay cover charges or greens fees have suddenly become common knowledge. Suddenly, people remember that he often scribbles only a handful of autographs a day during training camp.

Mark Baranowski is among those who hopes he never sees Roethlisberger again.

The owner of the popular Cabana Bar, near Roethlisberger's home in Gibsonia, once saw the quarterback regularly — Roethlisberger even staged a party there on the one-year anniversary of his motorcycle crash.

But, fed up with Roethlisberger's attitude, manners and shenanigans, Baranowski got the word out — every other Steelers player could enjoy themselves at his place for free. But Roethlisberger had to fork over the cover charge he always balked at paying. Roethlisberger hasn't been back.

"He's not a good guy," Baranowski said.

Many seem to share his opinion. Pittsburghers have peeled the once-ubiquitous "Big Ben 7" stickers off their bumpers, banned their children from wearing his jerseys or simply dumped the expensive uniform tops in the trash. Nationally, Roethlisberger's jersey dropped out of the NFL top 25 in sales in April after ranking 11th for the year ending March 31.

When news of Roethlisberger's suspension was flashed on the PNC Park scoreboard on April 21, fans booed loudly — at the player, not the punishment.

Not long after that, the Pittsburgh Zoo took Roethlisberger's name off a totem pole comparing his height to that of an elephant. They replaced it with that of hockey Hall of Famer and Penguins co-owner Mario Lemieux after zoo guests complained.

There's no more Big Ben's Beef Jerky, either — the product's owner cut ties with Roethlisberger, saying it no longer wanted to be associated with him.

"I hope he gets the heck out of here," Bill Ehrman, a 32-year-old University of Pittsburgh medical school resident, said last week at the Pirates game.

Pittsburgh may not be the economic engine it once was, but residents have a strong bond to the city and an emotional attachment to their football team that may be unrivaled in the NFL. Rooted in that sense of tradition is a belief in decorum. Proud to be the home of Mister Rogers, the city was chosen this month as America's most livable by Forbes.com — an honor also bestowed last year by The Economist magazine.

Roethlisberger gets a failing grade from Pittsburgh for politeness. Contrition, too.

"I would love for him to come out and have one of his press conferences and really mean it, say, 'You know what, I (messed) up, I was a pompous ...," said Chris Hart, 44, of suburban Allison Park. "He's been acting like he was forced to do it. What is he? Twenty-eight years old? He's acting like he's 21."

Roethlisberger's public persona is the opposite of Penguins star Sidney Crosby, who quickly ascended to a Lemieux-like pedestal because of his skill, professionalism, maturity and success.

If Roethlisberger is 28 going on 21, Crosby is 22 going on 32; he's already won a scoring title, a goal-scoring title, the MVP award and the Stanley Cup.

As fans love to relate, Crosby is so wholesome he still bunks at the Lemieux house, valuing family life over being the single owner of a fancy mansion like Roethlisberger's, which features a million-dollar swimming pool with his No. 7 at the bottom.

"Sidney Crosby is the guy who should be at the clubs hanging out; he's in that college-age range," Rickard said. "It makes Ben look bad because he's older, he's been around and he should be out of that phase of his life. People turn to Sidney as their exemplary superstar who never has an ego."

Count the Penguins among those who don't want much to do with Roethlisberger these days. According to a team source with knowledge of the situation, Roethlisberger was told he couldn't sit in a private team box during the ongoing NHL playoffs. Just too much dirty laundry.

Right now, nobody wants to hear good-guy stories that acquaintances relate about Roethlisberger: picking up the tab for a Thanksgiving feast for Ronald McDonald House residents; footing all expenses for a stranger's birthday dinner party that was taking place close to his own table; buying police dogs for departments that can't afford them.

"If he throws an interception, he's going to be booed like you don't believe," Rickard said. "He's going to get booed before he throws a pass, for what all he's done. He's going to have to really, really play well to gain us back. And start being more respectful to everybody."



THE ROONEYS

One thing about the Roethlisberger case stuns former NFL player turned Pittsburgh-based sports lawyer and agent Ralph Cindrich.

"Never in the history of the city can I recall anything close to it," Cindrich said. "I think most are offended because of not only the city, but how it reflects on the Rooney family — if there's any franchise that doesn't deserve this, it's this one."

For 77 years, the Rooneys have operated a model NFL team, one so ingrained into the community that people will sometimes recall major life events — births, weddings, funerals — by what happened in Steelers history that season.

Two months ago, coach Mike Tomlin said the Steelers expect their players' conduct to be "above and beyond that of our peers." Yet the Roethlisberger incident and the recent trading of Holmes only after a series of off-field issues has led the Steelers to be compared to the Bengals and Raiders, teams with a history of employing troubled players.

The Roethlisberger mess is especially worrisome to Dan Rooney, the Steelers' primary owner and chairman emeritus who was appointed ambassador to Ireland by President Barack Obama. Rooney's son, team president Art Rooney II, runs the team on a daily basis and ultimately made the decision to keep Roethlisberger.

While Dan Rooney has mostly watched the Roethlisberger affair play out from a distance, those close to him know how much the case has troubled the man who ran the Steelers on a daily basis for more than 30 years.

"My job is to be in Ireland," the elder Rooney said during a recent visit to Pittsburgh. "I would just say it's a serious matter, and it's being handled properly by (management). I think they're handling it very well."

While Art II has maintained a calm but stern stance — he worked with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to determine the length of the suspension — his unhappiness with Roethlisberger is well known within a tightlipped but tidily run organization. To date, only director of football operations Kevin Colbert has dared to offer any public support for Roethlisberger, saying the quarterback has earned the right to attempt to turn his life around.

State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said the Roethlisberger matter doesn't concern the federal government. Still, the ambassador cares about the situation.

"Dan Rooney, during his time as one of the pillars of the National Football League, has always set a very high standard for himself and his employees," Crowley said. "I doubt that has changed at all with his shift to being ambassador to Ireland."



THE STEELERS

Yet Roethlisberger is still a Steeler. The reason is simple. Even if the city can't stand him and the owners are angry, the team simply can't let him go and expect to remain a Super Bowl contender.

With an aging roster and a defense that could be past its peak, the Steelers may have only one or two shots remaining at a third NFL title since 2004 with their current roster. Jettisoning Roethlisberger in his prime likely would require years of rebuilding that might prevent James Farrior and James Harrison, Hines Ward, Aaron Smith and Troy Polamalu from realistically contending for another title.

It's not easy to find a new quarterback to win a Super Bowl, as the Steelers know. They went through a dozen starting QBs after the Terry Bradshaw era ended in 1984 before landing Roethlisberger, who has produced their only two Super Bowl victories in the past 30 years.

The Steelers chose to retain No. 7 and all the baggage he brings, hoping their fans — as fed up as they are — someday will forgive, if not totally forget.

"I'm sure we'll get this turned the right way," said Smith, a defensive end and a team leader. "(Why) wouldn't you keep him? The man's a great quarterback. I mean, he comes out there and wins games."

Release him? Trade him? Nose tackle Casey Hampton finds the idea preposterous.

"What are you cutting him for?" Hampton said. "The same fans who say they should cut him are the same fans who will be cheering if we win the Super Bowl."

Polamalu, a soft-spoken and deeply religious player, declined to say that Roethlisberger let those teammates down by being suspended for six weeks. But it was revealing when he said, "There are really good guys (in the NFL), like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, but there also are examples of what Ben is going to be able to do, turn his life around."

While Polamalu predicts Roethlisberger will return successfully, the challenges will be monumental when the suspension ends sometime in October. Roethlisberger won't have played a meaningful game since January, and the reception he gets — home and away — could be brutal.

In his only public appearance since prosecutors opted not to charge him, Roethlisberger said he wants to come through.

"I absolutely want to be the leader this team deserves, valued in the community and a role model to kids. I have much work to do to earn this trust," he said. "And I'm committed to improving and showing everyone my true values."

The Steelers and their city can only hope Roethlisberger keeps his word.

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Is this really going on in Pittsburgh? I think this article goes way over the top.....

KitsapSteve
05-12-2010, 01:30 AM
I Must admit , The Seattle Station here posts this on their Sports Page, But look , Nothing positive on the Seahawks, Ohh wait Nothing period....They need more than Pete Carroll to save the team....

Fire Haley
05-12-2010, 06:15 AM
Roethlisberger completed a clinical evaluation .

Way to go Ben!

Shouldn't he be celebrating his graduation from the sex/alcohol clinic?


I bet a Benapalooza II is in the works

Edman
05-12-2010, 07:19 AM
There's nothing worth talking about the Seaducks in Seattle. They suck.

So why not dredge up more Super Bowl XL conspiracy theories to pass the time?

SteelMember
05-12-2010, 08:58 AM
Ok. You can have any "opinion" you please on the subject, but when you start parroting the media, they somehow become less "yours" and more "theirs".

I agree with you on this point but knowing that Ben can act like a jerk and be very boorish makes the sexual assault accusations all the more credible.

Roethlisberger: Cant Cut Him Cant Stand Him

http://www.fanhouse.com/news/main/roethlisberger-cant-cut-him-cant-stand/1055212

Now there are hundreds of pages of police reports detailing his boorish actions in Georgia, and an unprecedented six-game NFL suspension (which could be reduced to four games) for a player not charged — much less convicted — of a crime.

plenewken
05-12-2010, 12:03 PM
Parroting?!?! I'll have you know that I've called Ben "boorish" well before this 5-11-2010 article was published. So there!

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But like me and many other have said before, not guilty of a crime because of lack of evidence doesn't mean innocent.

I challenge Ben to put his money where his mouth is and establish his complete innocence and clear his name in a civil court, against the 2 female accusers. I'm not holding my breath this will ever happen.

I also challenge Ben to schedule a press conference and answer questions from the audience, similar to what Tiger Woods did at the Masters. I'm not holding my breath this will ever happen either.

Until this happens, my opinion is that Ben is a boorish @sshole.

As a justification, I'll say that 8 months ago, Ben declared that "It will not happen again". Guess what? It happened again.

KitsapSteve
05-12-2010, 12:16 PM
Anyone checked out the great reporting job ESPN did today, basiclly copied the AP article and stuck it up on the AFC North Blog...
New TV show coming
Judge Roger G-NFL Judge--on Fox........
Tom Brady- Guilty- 4 games for knocking up 2 Super Models....
P Manning- Choker-2 Games and no more Sony Commericals
P Rivers- Choker - Whiner- 2 games- Has no endorsments to lose...
Big Ben-Being Stupid- 6 Games for not being charged with anything , just accused with lots of News stories.

SteelMember
05-12-2010, 01:00 PM
Parroting?!?! I'll have you know that I've called Ben "boorish" well before this 5-11-2010 article was published. So there!

Sorry. It looked a bit more than coincidential to me being it was in the last few pages. :noidea:

plenewken
05-12-2010, 01:39 PM
Sorry. It looked a bit more than coincidential to me being it was in the last few pages. :noidea:

No problem.

Prok
05-12-2010, 04:30 PM
Time to stop beating the dead horse:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/391325-stop-beating-the-roethlisberger-horse

by keith F Member Written on May 12, 2010
It's time for the media, fans, and the city of Pittsburgh to move on.


On April 12, 2010, after a month long investigation Ocmulgee County District Attorney Fred Bright announced to the world that Steelers Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger would not face any criminal charges after being accused of sexual assault in Georgia. Not only did Bright say that he wouldn't prosecute Roethlisberger, he also said they (the county) didn't even have probable cause for an arrest. In any sexual assault case, not even having probable cause is huge.


That statement by Bright has mostly been ignored by the media since he made it.


Why?


The media's portrayal of Roethlisberger (Especially in Pittsburgh where his relationship with them is tedious at best.) in this case has been shameful. From selective editing of witness statements to representing those statements as "fact", the local media has portrayed Roethlisberger as a man who raped a 20 year old Georgia woman and got away with it.


I'm sorry, that's just not right.


No arrest, no probable cause. Once again those are the facts.


Is Roethlisberger immature? Yes. Is Roethlisberger guilty of bad judgment? Yes. Should Roethlisberger avoid these types of situations, especially with the Nevada case still hanging over his head? Yes.


But that does not make Roethlisberger a criminal. It makes him stupid.


Please spare me your "anger" Steelers fans. Please spare me your preaching about morals as well.


This is the same city that after players and/or coaches didn't perform as well as the fans would have liked started rumors such as:


Dan Marino had a cocaine habit after he didn't win a national title at Pitt.


Kordell Stewart was a homosexual when he stunk in 1998-1999.


Bill Cowher was having an affair with Kordell's sister, his secretary, and supposedly had a restraining order filed against him by Kaye Cowher once his team stopped making the playoffs.


Tom Barrasso was stabbed by his wife because she found him in bed with a babysitter.


None of these men were ever accused of sexual assault, but they were all subjected to vicious, nasty rumors that affected their lives as people, not athletes.


Enough with the preaching of the "Steeler Way" as well. Did the Steelers cut Ernie Holmes when he shot a police officer? Did the Steelers cut Eric Green when he abused cocaine? Did the Steelers cut Santonio Holmes after he was arrested three times in his first three seasons in the NFL?


The answer to all of the above, is no. So stop with the praising of the image of the Steelers. They, like other teams, have always had problem children. Fans who won't accept that look silly and uninformed about the very team that root for when they claim the Rooney's "don't put up with them".


The worst part about all of this is how Ben has been made into a pariah in Pittsburgh without being charged with a crime. The latest "rumor" to be made public by the media is that the Pittsburgh Penguins have told Roethlisberger to stay away from the team's luxury box during the Stanley Cup Playoffs even though he has been a regular presence there for years.


If true, that is also very poor form considering the "allegation" that Mario Lemieux faced in 1992 in Minnesota during an incident in which former teammate Dan Quinn, who was with the North Stars at the time was actually charged with rape.


Lemieux more than most should understand what Roethlisberger is going through. He's the owner of the team and if he still considers Ben a friend he should have stuck by him much in the same way he has stuck by his former, married teammate Kevin Stevens after he was charged with soliciting a prostitute and drug possession in 2000 while as a member of the New York Rangers, only to be brought back to Pittsburgh as a player in 2001 and who currently works in the Penguins front office as a scout.


Roethlisberger has his faults and his problems, but the treatment he is getting from all sides on this issue is wrong and uncalled for. It's a public lynching of a man who hasn't been charged with a crime.


It's time to let it go, allow Roethlisberger the chance to move forward and deal with his issues.


Continuing to beat this dead horse into the ground serves no purpose anymore.


Enough is enough.

zulater
05-12-2010, 05:21 PM
Parroting?!?! I'll have you know that I've called Ben "boorish" well before this 5-11-2010 article was published. So there!

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Default Re: Georgia cops learn of 2nd woman who says she was assaulted by Big Ben
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But like me and many other have said before, not guilty of a crime because of lack of evidence doesn't mean innocent.

I challenge Ben to put his money where his mouth is and establish his complete innocence and clear his name in a civil court, against the 2 female accusers. I'm not holding my breath this will ever happen.

I also challenge Ben to schedule a press conference and answer questions from the audience, similar to what Tiger Woods did at the Masters. I'm not holding my breath this will ever happen either.

Until this happens, my opinion is that Ben is a boorish @sshole.

As a justification, I'll say that 8 months ago, Ben declared that "It will not happen again". Guess what? It happened again.

Well lets' see,that second woman never said she was assualted, rather her brother said it. And if memeory serves me correct, according to bro, sis went to Ben's place and he supposedly did something rude to her in his bedroom, so she left unharmed. But then just a few days later she's back over at Ben's place again alone in his bedroom and he supposedly attempted to cop a feel?!

Oh my god, I just realized I'm a rapist! :doh: Because more than once when i was single and I had a girl alone in a bedroom I tried to cop a feel! The horror! Hell there were even a few times it wasn't met with revulsion. ( so I married her and remain so 20 years later :chuckle:)

Anyway as I remember when the police asked to talk to the girl she more or less said she had nothing to say.

Hmm... perhaps that was because her actually being there and all, ( unlike her loser brother) knew nothing unusual, illegal, or illicit happened.

And speaking of which that also could explain why the other alleged victim decided not to proceed foward with a case against Ben. Could be the truth would have made her look worse than Ben? :noidea:

Maybe someday they'll figure out how Ben has unprotected sex and doesn't leave DNA markers too?

Get over the hate Plenk. Ben's been a major a-hole far too often, we get that. He deserved punishement for repeated boorish behavior, but imo it should have come from the team, not the league. But regardless, he's never been charged with a crime for the same reason most of us haven't been charged with a crime. Because he didn't commit one.

BlastFurnace
05-12-2010, 05:46 PM
Time to stop beating the dead horse:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/391325-stop-beating-the-roethlisberger-horse

Thanks Prok. That was the best and most balanced article I have read on this entire Ben thing. I am so sick of hearing about the "Steeler Way" as if the Rooney's have been inducted into Sainthood.

plenewken
05-13-2010, 08:41 AM
Well lets' see,that second woman never said she was assualted, rather her brother said it. And if memeory serves me correct, according to bro, sis went to Ben's place and he supposedly did something rude to her in his bedroom, so she left unharmed. But then just a few days later she's back over at Ben's place again alone in his bedroom and he supposedly attempted to cop a feel?!

I'm talking about the NV assault. That's when Ben said, with the Steelers' FO around him, that he'll never happen again.

Oh my god, I just realized I'm a rapist! :doh: Because more than once when i was single and I had a girl alone in a bedroom I tried to cop a feel! The horror! Hell there were even a few times it wasn't met with revulsion. ( so I married her and remain so 20 years later :chuckle:)

Anyway as I remember when the police asked to talk to the girl she more or less said she had nothing to say.

Hmm... perhaps that was because her actually being there and all, ( unlike her loser brother) knew nothing unusual, illegal, or illicit happened.

And speaking of which that also could explain why the other alleged victim decided not to proceed foward with a case against Ben. Could be the truth would have made her look worse than Ben? :noidea:

Maybe someday they'll figure out how Ben has unprotected sex and doesn't leave DNA markers too?

Several eminent forensic experts, including Dr Wecht, questioned the fact that there wasn't enough DNA to proceed.

Get over the hate Plenk. Ben's been a major a-hole far too often, we get that. He deserved punishement for repeated boorish behavior, but imo it should have come from the team, not the league. But regardless, he's never been charged with a crime for the same reason most of us haven't been charged with a crime. Because he didn't commit one.

Get over the hate? You say pretty much the same thing I said by the way. He's an idiot with a boorish behavior, especially with women, and that doesn't fly with me. He can throw all the TD passes of the planet, he's still an @sshole in my book and I have no respect for such individuals.

zulater
05-13-2010, 08:51 AM
Get over the hate? You say pretty much the same thing I said by the way. He's an idiot with a boorish behavior, especially with women, and that doesn't fly with me. He can throw all the TD passes of the planet, he's still an @sshole in my book and I have no respect for such individuals.


He's been an asshole lately, that doesn't mean he'll always be one, or that he always was one. I think a big part of the problem is that Ben's had too many enablers since he got in the league. that includes the Steelers hiearchy who in fact might be the worst offenders. If it's true that Ben influenced coaching hires, retentions etc.. and he had a little a-hole in him to begin with then it's easy to see how the monster could grow.

Anyway now he's been duly chastened, so maybe he'll take the league's advice to heart and truly see this as an opportunity to change the man within.

I might be wrong, but I don't think Ben was so far gone that he couldn't become a better man after all this is over with if people will allow him to.

So I think it's best not to judge him off what he's done, but what's to come.

Shea
05-13-2010, 10:27 PM
Get over the hate? You say pretty much the same thing I said by the way. He's an idiot with a boorish behavior, especially with women, and that doesn't fly with me. He can throw all the TD passes of the planet, he's still an @sshole in my book and I have no respect for such individuals.


Amen! :drink:

But don't you know .... it's not Ben who is the bad guy here - it's Goodell, the Rooney's, the media, and the fact that numerous people are liars .....

:rolleyes:

If this was any other player in the league other than Ben, everybody here would finally be able to drop the bullshit and see what is right in front of their faces and be appalled by it.

But surely something else is going on ..... years of rumors and bad behavior aren't what they seem .....

Love you Ben! :tt02:

(Ugh .... :puke:)

zulater
05-13-2010, 11:04 PM
Amen! :drink:

But don't you know .... it's not Ben who is the bad guy here - it's Goodell, the Rooney's, the media, and the fact that numerous people are liars .....

:rolleyes:

If this was any other player in the league other than Ben, everybody here would finally be able to drop the bullshit and see what is right in front of their faces and be appalled by it.

But surely something else is going on ..... years of rumors and bad behavior aren't what they seem .....

Love you Ben! :tt02:

(Ugh .... :puke:)

No one's blinded to Ben often being a boorish ahole. We just don't think he commited a crime and until someone testifies to that effect in a court we'll continue to believe that to be the case.

You see i don't excuse rape, but I also don't excuse woman who don't pursue criminal charges either if they were in fact violated.

Now if we assume you believe Ben might not be guilty of criminal conduct and only is guilty of being a boorish ahole many times over. That's fine, we don't disagree.

But in my case I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water just yet. If there's a chance he can be rehabilitated I want to give him that chance. Not because he earned it as a human being ( though I do think the sum of his transgressions warrant a second chance) but because he's a damn good quarterback, and they don't exactly grow on trees.

So my attitude is get better and get on with it Ben.

Shea
05-13-2010, 11:39 PM
From my life experience, you either are an asshole or you aren't.

There's no changing that, just camouflaging that behavior when it comes about that said behavior isn't up to snuff and therefore up for concernation. In other words, damage control ......

I'll root for Ben as long as he is the QB for the Steelers, but beyond that - F you Ben.

Kinda can't wait until he's gone - great QB that he is, but this is beyond shiny trophies and a mere "game". This is about what is right and what is wrong.

zulater
05-13-2010, 11:50 PM
:noidea:From my life experience, you either are an asshole or you aren't.

There's no changing that, just camouflaging that behavior when it comes about that said behavior isn't up to snuff and therefore up for concernation. In other words, damage control ......

I'll root for Ben as long as he is the QB for the Steelers, but beyond that - F you Ben.

Kinda can't wait until he's gone - great QB that he is, but this is beyond shiny trophies and a mere "game". This is about what is right and what is wrong.

I've seen a lot of people that weren't assholes that became one over time and I've even seen a few that were that seemed to figure things out at some point later in life.:noidea:

Child molesters, and mass murderers don't derserve second chances.

Guys who get a little too high on themselves and start shitting on everyone around them probably can be reformed if they get a good slap upside their head at the right time. I think Ben got his in time. :chuckle:

WH
05-13-2010, 11:57 PM
i like how boorish has become to new buzzword on here.

stillers4me
05-14-2010, 05:26 AM
i like how boorish has become to new buzzword on here.

:chuckle:

I've know a few assholes in my time. I even married one, so it doesn't mean that everything about that particular asshole is boorish.

:sofunny:

solardave
05-14-2010, 05:36 AM
:noidea:

I've seen a lot of people that weren't assholes that became one over time and I've even seen a few that were that seemed to figure things out at some point later in life.:noidea:

Child molesters, and mass murderers don't derserve second chances.

Guys who get a little too high on themselves and start shitting on everyone around them probably can be reformed if they get a good slap upside their head at the right time. I think Ben got his in time. :chuckle:

I agree that being an asshole is not incurable. You have to see it and want to change. hopefully Ben has and will.

HometownGal
05-14-2010, 06:04 PM
Time to stop beating the dead horse:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/391325-stop-beating-the-roethlisberger-horse

:applaudit: :thumbsup: :applaudit:

Frankly, I'm sick to death of the topic. When all is said and done Ben has 2 choices:

(A) Act responsibly in the future, keep the Roethlischlong in his pants in public, bust his ass in practice and on the field, thus keeping his job; or

(B) Continue to behave like a giant raging hormone flapping Mr. Happy in the public eye, keep it up with the "million dollar talent with a ten cent head" mentality, continue embarrassing his employer and teammates and take a hike right out of the NFL.

It's all up to him.

Fire Haley
05-14-2010, 06:15 PM
Mom knows best.

BlastFurnace
05-14-2010, 07:19 PM
:applaudit: :thumbsup: :applaudit:

Frankly, I'm sick to death of the topic. When all is said and done Ben has 2 choices:

(A) Act responsibly in the future, keep the Roethlischlong in his pants in public, bust his ass in practice and on the field, thus keeping his job; or

(B) Continue to behave like a giant raging hormone flapping Mr. Happy in the public eye, keep it up with the "million dollar talent with a ten cent head" mentality, continue embarrassing his employer and teammates and take a hike right out of the NFL.

It's all up to him.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

I agree completely.

Fire Haley
05-14-2010, 07:47 PM
If only Ben had bought a nice meat and potatoes Polish bride like I told him 2 years ago none of this would have ever happened

mesaSteeler
05-17-2010, 10:36 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger joins teammates for charity golf tournament
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/05/pittsburgh-steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger-joins-teammates-for-charity-golf-tournament/1

Pittsburgh Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger joined teammates on Monday for a charity golf tournament, one of his first public appearances since being suspended in April.

Roethlisberger did not make a statement, but was captured by local TV stations golfing and interacting with his playing partners.

"Life isn't over for him," Steelers WR Hines Ward told KDKA-TV of Roethlisberger. "He has to go on and deal with the consequences. But coming out today is just the first step of many.

"I'm proud that he came out and showed his support."

Roethlisberger was suspended six games for violating the league's personal-conduct policy. He was ordered into behavioral counseling and prohibited from participating in offseason team activities while the counseling is ongoing.

The league has not yet cleared Roethlisberger to work out with the team, and the Steelers have an OTA set for Tuesday.

Former Steelers RB Merril Hoge, one of the hosts of the event with Ward, said he has seen positive steps out of Roethlisberger.

"I think, in visiting with him in the last week or two, I see a different energy about Ben," Hoge told WTAE-TV.

"It is kind of a platform for him to, you know, reconcile with the fans and show them he has changed and he wants to be not just a better player, but a person." -- Sean Leahy

Galax Steeler
05-18-2010, 03:48 AM
The Steelers resume spring practices today, apparently without Ben Roethlisberger again.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has not cleared Roethlisberger to rejoin his teammates in their workouts at the team's facility.

The quarterback, however, joined teammates Monday in a round of chilly, wet golf at Southpointe Golf Club in Washington County. Roethlisberger annually plays in the Merril Hoge-Max Starks-Hines Ward charity event, and Monday was no exception.

Roethlisberger has completed the behavioral evaluation required by Goodell as part of his discipline of the Steelers' quarterback that includes a six-game suspension to start the season. That suspension will be reduced to four games, the commissioner said, if Roethlisberger complies with the stipulations handed down by Goodell. One of those was the completion of the behavioral evaluation. Although completed, Roethlisberger could be asked to return for further evaluation or therapy at the recommendation of the professionals who evaluated him.

While the Steelers await his return at some point before they conclude their remaining 12 OTA practices June 10, competition to replace him to open the season resumes today.

Coach Mike Tomlin has said the spring practices mean little in terms of who will start at quarterback and that they mean everything.

Asked on the final day of minicamp May 3 when he will pick a quarterback, Tomlin said, "The purpose of the offseason is to instruct. Organized team activity days are just that. They're for teaching. I'm less concerned about evaluation. Some of the evaluation-oriented things of course can't take place in shorts."

But last week, he was quoted on the Steelers' website that, indeed, he will know his starting quarterback when they open camp.

"In all likelihood, I won't say it, but the decision will be made," Tomlin said.

The only way to base that decision would be from spring OTAs, so this is one evaluation that will be made when the players are in shorts.

Byron Leftwich ran with the first team in minicamp after Roethlisberger ran the first team in the first OTA practices April 19-20 -- before he was suspended and banned from the team facility until further notice. Dennis Dixon ran with the second team and Charlie Batch was third.

Tomlin said all three would get their chances to run the first unit.

"The other guys will be given opportunities, no question," Tomlin said.

The Steelers will practice every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday from now until June 10.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10138/1058882-66.stm#ixzz0oGkCSR1d

stlrtruck
05-18-2010, 07:57 AM
So I guess Goodell is just going to push his control to another level?

Everything was "Good to Go!" with Vick but for some reason he wants to make the Steelers and Roethlisberger wait - for what?

siss
05-18-2010, 08:14 AM
So I guess Goodell is just going to push his control to another level?

Everything was "Good to Go!" with Vick but for some reason he wants to make the Steelers and Roethlisberger wait - for what?

To show who is in charge. Cut the guy a break. He did what you asked. He's been embarrassed enough. Let him get back to some sort of normal life.

Fire Haley
05-18-2010, 08:29 AM
Like it really matters - OTA's are for the rookies

We need a starting QB - let the back-ups get the reps

stlrtruck
05-18-2010, 08:44 AM
Like it really matters - OTA's are for the rookies

We need a starting QB - let the back-ups get the reps

Still doesn't mean that Ben can't be there 'mending' fences with his teammates and proving himself to be the leader he stated he wants to be.

Fire Haley
05-18-2010, 09:01 AM
Goodell is making him sit out to see if he'll go on another drinking and whoring spree.

Idle hands are the Devil's playground

nicoleandfrankie
05-18-2010, 09:26 AM
Is it possible that the Big Ben situation will cause fans to backlash and thus there could be local tv blackouts this season... If youre a PSL holder, why would you hold onto your seats with everything going on. I think its something to definitley be cautious about.

steelax04
05-18-2010, 09:32 AM
Yeah, everyone with PSLs should sell their seats... to me!

revefsreleets
05-18-2010, 09:50 AM
Is it possible that the Big Ben situation will cause fans to backlash and thus there could be local tv blackouts this season?

No.

vasteeler
05-18-2010, 10:08 AM
No.

:iagree:

RoethlisBURGHer
05-18-2010, 10:11 AM
Um, no. That is not going to happen. If the PSL holders return or sell their seats, they will NEVER get them back.

Fire Haley
05-18-2010, 10:13 AM
So I guess Goodell is just going to push his control to another level?

Everything was "Good to Go!" with Vick but for some reason he wants to make the Steelers and Roethlisberger wait - for what?

Ask the Rooney's - they are Goodells biggest "yes" men. Ben is on his own.

Fire Haley
05-18-2010, 10:16 AM
The biggest backlash you will probably see is less #7 jerseys being worn.

The Steelers are a team - no one player will change ticket sales.

RoethlisBURGHer
05-18-2010, 10:24 AM
The biggest backlash you will probably see is less #7 jerseys being worn.

The Steelers are a team - no one player will change ticket sales.

Amen.

In Rooney We Trust

CanadianSteel
05-18-2010, 10:31 AM
This is utter bull crap IMO.
He completed the evaluation, as requested, so either let him back to practice as part of the stated suspension, or disclose the next course of action, IE further evaluation needed.

He is hurting the Steelers by doing this.... and not only Ben and thats not fair IMO.

Steelers>NFL
05-18-2010, 10:35 AM
We do not have a clue what and if Ben has met all the criteria to get back to the Steelers
daily workouts. If Ben is not complaining, then there is no reason for us to complasin or assume.
It'll all work out. Give it time.

Fire Haley
05-18-2010, 10:53 AM
Quit moving all the threads everytime Ben is mentioned! - there are other practice notes on the Steelers.

fansince'76
05-18-2010, 11:07 AM
Quit moving all the threads everytime Ben is mentioned! - there are other practice notes on the Steelers.

That isn't what ultimately gets talked about though, is it?

zulater
05-18-2010, 01:33 PM
So I guess Goodell is just going to push his control to another level?

Everything was "Good to Go!" with Vick but for some reason he wants to make the Steelers and Roethlisberger wait - for what?

Ben has only been evaluated to date as far as we know. A course of action is probably soon going to be recommended by those that evaluated him. And how Ben comes through that will probably be what determines when he's reinstated.

What that will be and how it will be determined that Ben has not only complied but has benifited and come out a better man is what scares me? Physcology is somewhat arbitrary in nature, and if some douchebag doctor is convinced that Ben's guilty of more than what he's willing to admit to then maybe he can keep Ben on ice indefinately? Remember Goodell said he strongly considered making Ben's suspension indefinite to begin with, and he's also indicated that he has the power to lenghten Ben' suspension to longer than 6 games if he feels Ben fails to meet the terms and conditions of his punishment.

My biggest fear is that Goodell is looking at this through the prism of a father who has a daughter, and that he's taken the second day witness accounts from the accuser and her friends as gospel and ultimately he wants to break Ben. What if nothing short of a confession to a crime Ben didn't commit will suffice for Goodell? At what point will the Union and team stand up for Ben? :mad:

siss
05-18-2010, 02:21 PM
Ummm it was a long shot that Ben would be here today. I have a feeling it will be more likely in June. When Ben completed his evaluation they said that it would more likely be in June. Goodell is an ass and he is making Ben sweat it out. He wrote in his letter to Ben that he did not disagree with the DA in Georgia. It will be fine, Ben will practice again.

zulater
05-18-2010, 02:38 PM
Ummm it was a long shot that Ben would be here today. I have a feeling it will be more likely in June. When Ben completed his evaluation they said that it would more likely be in June. Goodell is an ass and he is making Ben sweat it out. He wrote in his letter to Ben that he did not disagree with the DA in Georgia. It will be fine, Ben will practice again.

I know what the commish wrote. But I don't think you suspend someone 6 games, having given serious consideration to an indefinite suspension for bad judgement, even if said bad judgement was exercised multiple times.

To me Goodell with his excessive punishment of Ben was all but proclaiming him guilty as accused, and since the law can't punish you I will.

So you tell me how do we measure Ben's sincerity? Essentially if he doesn't answer the way that you like you don't have to clear him? What if his doctors suggest he's holding back, how does Ben disprove it?

Probably just paranoia on my part, but I don't trust Goodell. Sorry

HometownGal
05-18-2010, 07:50 PM
To me Goodell with his excessive punishment of Ben was all but proclaiming him guilty as accused, and since the law can't punish you I will.

Probably just paranoia on my part, but I don't trust Goodell. Sorry

BINGO. I don't trust that slimy lizard either.

Shea
05-19-2010, 12:01 AM
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zulater
05-24-2010, 08:29 PM
http://www.1059thex.com/pages/supergenius.html

Remember, you heard it here first:

*If the Steelers start the 2010 season 4-0 or 3-1 without the suspended Ben Roethlisberger, Byron Leftwich will remain at quarterback. That's right, the recycled washout keeps starting, the $102m man rides the bench. This comes from an unimpeachable source deep inside Steelers HQ.

Have you ever heard anything so stupid? A good season without Roethlisberger would grease the skids for his exit, which - I'm convinced more and more - is what the Steelers ultimately want. When the Steelers slip, it's often on a banana peel of self-righteousness.

If Mike Tomlin goes along with what appears to be an organizational decision, it would highlight his inability to consider the big picture. Players take it one game at a time. Good coaches don't, Starting 4-0 matters a little. Playing well in January matters a lot. You've got to think about Point B when you're at Point A. Leftwich can't win a Super Bowl. Roethlisberger can, and has.

Oh, well...the Steelers will probably start 1-3, anyway.

I know it's only Mark Madden, but somehow this rings true to me. The Steelers as an orginization seem to have all but pulled the rug out from under Ben's feet. Obviously to a degree it's deserved, but i also get the feeling that Rooney's feeling about Ben, similiar to Goodell are driven by second day witness accounts from the accuser down in Georgia's side.

If the young girl or any of her party ever recant there's going to be a lot of people in the league and the Steelers office that will look awful stupid. And not stupid in a dumb sense, stupid in a self righteous hypocritical sense.:banging:

mesaSteeler
05-24-2010, 09:02 PM
View From The Press Box
http://blog.triblive.com/view-from-the-press-box/2010/05/24/big-ben-not-expected-to-practice-this-week/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+triblive%2Fblog%2FViewFromThe PressBox+%28View+from+the+Press+Box+Blog%29

Big Ben not expected to practice this week
May 24th, 2010

Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is not expected to attend practice Tuesday as the Steelers are still awaiting word from the NFL on when he can re-join the team.

It looks like Roethlisberger, who was suspended for violating the league’s personal conduct policy, will not return to offseason practices until next week at the earliest.

Commissioner Roger Goodell is in Dallas this week for the NFL owners meetings, and he probably won’t make a decision on Roethlisberger until the end of the week at the earliest.

There has been talk that Goodell would hold out Roethlisberger for at least the first two weeks of the Steelers' offseason practices if only because of perception.

Simply put, it wouldn’t look good — or maybe consistent is the better word — if Goodell took a hard line against Roethlisberger when he handed down a six-game suspension in late April and then let the two-time Super Bowl winner take part in most of the offseason practices.

It will be interesting to see which of the three quarterbacks competing to replace Roethlisberger for the first part of the 2010 season will work with the starter this week.

Byron Leftwich has gotten most of the work with the first-team offense since offseason practices resumed last week.

Coach Mike Tomlin has said Dennis Dixon and Charlie Batch will also run the first-team offense before the conclusion of the voluntary practices.

Both are still waiting for that opportunity.

zulater
05-24-2010, 09:36 PM
There has been talk that Goodell would hold out Roethlisberger for at least the first two weeks of the Steelers' offseason practices if only because of perception.

Only fitting since Ben is being punished for the perception of a crime that there's absolutely no evidence was ever commited.:banging:

zulater
05-25-2010, 05:34 AM
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0524101sorority1.html

Someone should foward this to Goodell and the Rooney's. I know you probably think unrelated, but not really. What it goes to is to break this myth that little white sorority sisters are pure as the driven snow and never ever tell lies or do bad things under the influence. Or if they are under the influence they certainly must have been led astray by the likes of some heel like Ben. Well the truth is little white sorority sisters are quite capable of creating mayhem and mischief all by themselves and do so quite frequently. It's the perpeputation of this myth that has led a nation to completely buy into second day witness accounts that were greatly at odds with first night accounts ( which by and large are more reliable) that painted Ben in in the worst possible light. And those witness accounts, which would have almost certainly withered under cross examination, continue to drive Ben's Steelers career dangerously close to the brink because fans, media, the team and the league continue to view them as a Gospel account .

Shea
05-25-2010, 11:24 PM
I know it's only Mark Madden, but somehow this rings true to me. The Steelers as an orginization seem to have all but pulled the rug out from under Ben's feet. Obviously to a degree it's deserved, but i also get the feeling that Rooney's feeling about Ben, similiar to Goodell are driven by second day witness accounts from the accuser down in Georgia's side.

No, I don't think you or many other fans are seeing the whole picture here.

It will be interesting to see what becomes of Ben from here on out in Pittsburgh, but I strongly disagree that the Rooney's and Goodell's decision to punish Ben was solely due to what happened in Georgia.

Too many fans seem to be myopically focusing on what happened in that tiny town, without taking into account that there is a lot more going on here. I think the Steelers' organization and the Commish are therefore punishing him in hopes of waking his ass up in a last attempt to save him from himself.

This ain't all about an awfully young girl in a small town in Atlanta or her friends.

This is about trying to not only deflate Ben's head but to also see if he can find a way to awaken his heart to all the people he comes across in his daily life and to stop treating them like shit.

siss
05-26-2010, 04:47 AM
No, I don't think you or many other fans are seeing the whole picture here.

It will be interesting to see what becomes of Ben from here on out in Pittsburgh, but I strongly disagree that the Rooney's and Goodell's decision to punish Ben was solely due to what happened in Georgia.

Too many fans seem to be myopically focusing on what happened in that tiny town, without taking into account that there is a lot more going on here. I think the Steelers' organization and the Commish are therefore punishing him in hopes of waking his ass up in a last attempt to save him from himself.

This ain't all about an awfully young girl in a small town in Atlanta or her friends.

This is about trying to not only deflate Ben's head but to also see if he can find a way to awaken his heart to all the people he comes across in his daily life and to stop treating them like shit. Agree. And if they didn't think he could do it he would have been gone.

zulater
05-26-2010, 06:31 AM
No, I don't think you or many other fans are seeing the whole picture here.

It will be interesting to see what becomes of Ben from here on out in Pittsburgh, but I strongly disagree that the Rooney's and Goodell's decision to punish Ben was solely due to what happened in Georgia.

Too many fans seem to be myopically focusing on what happened in that tiny town, without taking into account that there is a lot more going on here. I think the Steelers' organization and the Commish are therefore punishing him in hopes of waking his ass up in a last attempt to save him from himself.

This ain't all about an awfully young girl in a small town in Atlanta or her friends.

This is about trying to not only deflate Ben's head but to also see if he can find a way to awaken his heart to all the people he comes across in his daily life and to stop treating them like shit.

Notice to bartenders and waitstaff everywhere, you now have the ability to get your local teams players suspended. Better not short that tip Mr. NFL player.

Or in other words bullshit. Ben got the punishment he did because of the league's concern over the public (mis) perception brought about by two allegations of sexual assualt. Due proccess be damned.

stillers4me
05-26-2010, 04:17 PM
Golfer Gulbis says Big Ben is 'a great guy'
Wednesday, May 26, 2010
Colin Dunlap, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Natalie Gulbis, the striking 27-year-old blonde LPGA tour player, was at Oakmont Country Club today, preparing for the U.S. Women's Open at the famed course in July.

But, in between a session of hitting balls on the range, as she made her way to the first tee to play a practice round, she stopped to chat with two media members about golf -- a conversation that invariably veered to her former boyfriend, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

It was thought Gulbis might play a practice round at Oakmont Tuesday, but instead she accompanied Roethlisberger in a round of golf at Laurel Valley Golf Club in Ligonier.

"He's a great guy," Gulbis said of Roethlisberger. "I have known him for years. He's always been fantastic to me and we've been friends since before he was even playing with the Steelers.

"We went out and played golf and I'll continue to cheer for him and the Steelers."

As for that showdown at Laurel Valley yesterday?

"He beat me," Gulbis said. "Beautiful golf course. He beat me by a couple [holes]; we played match play."

Asked by a television reporter if Roethlisberger was "getting a bad rap right now," a reference to the four-to six-game suspension the NFL has imposed on Roethlisberger, Gulbis' patience started to wear thin with the line of questioning.

"I don't want to answer a lot of questions about Ben," she said. "But if you want to ask me more about the tournament or about the golf. . . .Plus, you have plenty of other people to comment on that [Roethlisberger situation]."



http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10146/1060925-100.stm

ahhhhhhhhhh.....that was a nice read. Thank you, Natalie.

Fire Haley
05-26-2010, 05:20 PM
So Ben treats the rich girls nice but the common bar ho's are on their own.

fansince'76
05-26-2010, 10:55 PM
Asked by a television reporter if Roethlisberger was "getting a bad rap right now," a reference to the four-to six-game suspension the NFL has imposed on Roethlisberger, Gulbis' patience started to wear thin with the line of questioning.

"I don't want to answer a lot of questions about Ben," she said. "But if you want to ask me more about the tournament or about the golf. . . .Plus, you have plenty of other people to comment on that [Roethlisberger situation]."

Yeah! After all, I haven't heard a peep from Ben's 2nd grade teacher about what a disruptive kid he was in class and what a little "letch-in-training" punk he was in general yet. :coffee:

Shea
05-26-2010, 11:05 PM
Yeah! After all, I haven't heard a peep from Ben's 2nd grade teacher about what a disruptive kid he was in class and what a little "letch-in-training" punk he was in general yet. :coffee:

Have you heard a positive peep from anybody, including his teammates?

And I mean a really good peep not just media speak.

I haven't.

Shea
05-26-2010, 11:07 PM
Agree. And if they didn't think he could do it he would have been gone.

I hope you're right.

fansince'76
05-26-2010, 11:12 PM
Have you heard a positive peep from anybody, including his teammates?

And I mean a really good peep not just media speak.

I haven't.

Uh, yeah - I have. Just because you don't want to hear it doesn't mean it isn't out there.

Teammates stand behind Ben (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_679002.html)

Shea
05-26-2010, 11:28 PM
Uh, yeah - I have. Just because you don't want to hear it doesn't mean it isn't out there.

Teammates stand behind Ben (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_679002.html)

Who said I didn't want to hear it? Hell, I've been desperately looking for it and have yet to see nothing but "media speak".

From the article you cited - one in which I already read, a few things stand out -

Hines Ward said Ben Roethlisberger's six-game suspension is "justified" and that it is "disappointing

"I think there's a lot of great examples of guys that are just really good guys, like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. But there also are examples of what Ben is

That one was from Troy, and very telling.

"At the end of the day, Ben wins games on Sundays. Anybody that can help us win is going to be welcomed back with open arms."

From Casey, not at all a ringing endorsement for Ben the human being but more along the lines of just ignore who he is because he racks up the wins.

I haven't seen a SINGLE person vehemently step up in anger over what is happening to Ben and to dispute what is being reported and said about him.

Wonder why ......

:scratchchin:

fansince'76
05-26-2010, 11:32 PM
Who said I didn't want to hear it? Hell, I've been desperately looking for it and have yet to see nothing but "media speak".

And I have yet to hear anything but over-the-top sensationalism by the media from the other direction, either. Juicy stories sell better than just the facts.

Shea
05-26-2010, 11:43 PM
And I have yet to hear anything but over-the-top sensationalism by the media from the other direction, either. Juicy stories sell better than just the facts.

What are the facts then, FS??

fansince'76
05-26-2010, 11:44 PM
What are the facts then, FS??

No arrests made. No criminal charges pressed. One civil lawsuit pending. I can do without the multitude of third- and fourth-hand anecdotes about him stiffing bar and restaurant tabs in trying to flesh out a sensationalized account of what a "monster" he supposedly is.

zulater
05-26-2010, 11:55 PM
I just want to address something shea let slip out earliar that i find quite revealing, not so much about her, but the public's perception as a whole.
To wit.

This ain't all about an awfully young girl in a small town in Atlanta or her friends.

We could also add white girl, who by the public's perception don't ever tell lies or allow themsleves to be led astray, but I digress.

As to "awfully young girl", which conjours up imagery of pigtails and Catholic school girl attire. She was 20 and in a club drinking due to her possession of a phoney ID. Assuming whatever Ben did with that 20 year old was consentual, which we have no right to think otherwise due to the fact the local authorities and the young lady in question refused to pursue the case any further. Anyway I wonder how many players, coaches, and league executives have carried on similiarly with "awfully young girls" in "Gentlemen's Clubs throughout the land? Even in a club that serves alchohol there's no law that says the performers have to be 21 years of age, I believe 18 is generally the limit. Perhaps some of these "awfully young girls" were even intoxicated at the time either on drugs or drink when they interacted with someone employed in the league? So what should become of them if they're revealed?

This is the slipperly slope we're approaching. Sooner rather than later the league is going to regret the action they took against Ben, because it set a dangerous precedent. Goodell has no right legislating morals if laws aren't being broke. Accusations that lead to public lynchings aren't a high enough standard to take a mans' livelyhood away. Or it shouldn't be anyway.

The Steelers had a right to suspend Ben. Truth be told they probably should have long before we ever got to where we are today. Instead of allowing him to influence the makeup of the coaching staff they should have sat him down and talked to him about his piss poor image around town and demanded he start changing his ways.

But the league should have sat this one out the moment it was announced no charges were forthcoming. Being just isn't always about being popular.

Shea
05-26-2010, 11:57 PM
No arrests made. No criminal charges pressed. One civil lawsuit pending. I can do without the multitude of third-and-fourth-hand anecdotes about him stiffing bar and restaurant tabs in trying to flesh out a sensationalized account of what a "monster" he supposedly is.

Ok. Fall back on that tired and faulty argument.

Answer me this: why would the Rooney's have been working with Goodell in the process of punishing Ben and supporting the decision of the six game suspension?

Those third and fourth hand anecdotes have been around for years, when does it become valid in your viewpoint? Another ten years or so? I'm thinking you won't ever see it. :tt02:

Something is seriously wrong with Ben.

The Rooney's know it, Goodell knows it, and his teammates know it.

Wake up.

fansince'76
05-26-2010, 11:59 PM
Ok. Fall back on that tired and faulty argument.

Answer me this: why would the Rooney's have been working with Goodell in the process of punishing Ben and supporting the decision of the six game suspension?

Those third and fourth hand anecdotes have been around for years, when does it become valid in your viewpoint? Another ten years or so? I'm thinking you won't ever see it. :tt02:

Something is seriously wrong with Ben.

The Rooney's know it, Goodell knows it, and his teammates know it.

Wake up.

If he is such a monster, why didn't they cut ties with him, then? Get off your high horse. And you can also lose the hypocrisy - "I'll root for him when he plays and wins games, but I'll still hate his guts and count the days until he's finally gone."

zulater
05-27-2010, 12:00 AM
No arrests made. No criminal charges pressed. One civil lawsuit pending. I can do without the multitude of third- and fourth-hand anecdotes about him stiffing bar and restaurant tabs in trying to flesh out a sensationalized account of what a "monster" he supposedly is.

My mother has met him twice at the grocery store and both times he was very pleasant to her.

zulater
05-27-2010, 12:11 AM
Ok. Fall back on that tired and faulty argument.

Answer me this: why would the Rooney's have been working with Goodell in the process of punishing Ben and supporting the decision of the six game suspension?

Because they bought into second day witness accounts from drunken sorority sister as being gospel truth like you and most everyone else. They're looking at Ben through the prism of fathers with daughters rather than being fair and neautral arbiters, which is the standard they shouldhave aimed for.

Those third and fourth hand anecdotes have been around for years, when does it become valid in your viewpoint? Another ten years or so? I'm thinking you won't ever see it. :tt02:

He's also been praised by the people who run the Ronald McDonald House, and people inside the Make a Wish foundation who say that his interactions with children are special and it's not something you can fake.

But I'm thinking you wont ever see it.

Something is seriously wrong with Ben.

Yeah he got too high on himself ahd he had too many enablers, including a great many higher ups in the Steelers orginization. Problem is they helped create the monster but are showing little interest in taming it. Maybe that's because they'd have to do a little self examination in the proccess and might not like everything they see? :noidea:

The Rooney's know it, Goodell knows it, and his teammates know it.

Wake up.

I'm wide awake, but i need to get the hell in bed. :chuckle: