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SteelerEmpire
04-13-2010, 11:18 PM
WASHINGTON - The Army may be forced to court-martial a lieutenant colonel who refused to deploy to Afghanistan because he considers orders from President Barack Obama to be illegal, military officials told NBC News on Tuesday.

Army doctor Lt. Col. Terry Lakin believes Obama does not meet the constitutional requirements to be president and commander-in-chief because Lakin believes the president was not born in the United States. A video with statements from Lakin on the subject was released by the right-wing American Patriot Foundation.

Lakin refused to report to Fort Campbell, Ky., for deployment to Afghanistan, but instead went to the Pentagon. There on Monday he was confronted by his brigade commander, Col. Gordon Roberts, and informed he could face court martial, and his Pentagon building pass and government laptop computer were seized.
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Roberts is the commander of the medical brigade out of Walter Reed. He is the only active-duty Medal of Honor winner in the military. He received the honor for action in Vietnam.

According to Lakin, he was read the military equivalent of his Miranda rights. No charges have been filed, but military officials believe they could include "missing a movement" or failure to report for duty, and "conduct unbecoming an officer."

One military official complained that Lakin, whom the Army describes as a "birther" because he's challenging Obama's birthplace, is being so persistent in his protest that the Army may have no choice but to order a court martial.

The Constitution states that a person must be a "natural-born citizen" to be eligible for the presidency. Birthers have contended that Obama's birth certificate is a fake, and many of them say he was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland. They challenged his citizenship in court, and the issue became a staple of radio talk shows and conservative blogs.

Obama was born in Hawaii, and Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued statements last year and in October 2008 saying that she's seen vital records that prove Obama is a natural-born American citizen.


The state registrar of vital statistics also has verified that the Health Department holds Obama's original birth certificate, copies of which were released by the Obama presidential campaign in 2008.

But that hasn't stopped the birther movement.

Last summer, an Army Reserve major volunteered to serve in Afghanistan, then filed suit to keep from being deployed, arguing that Obama was not a natural-born citizen. But a federal judge rejected the case, saying it was moot because the Army had already said that under rules for reserve volunteers, he didn't have to go.
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What a "Nut Case"....come on man, it ain't that serious....

Borski
04-13-2010, 11:26 PM
Wow, what an idiot, you gotta respect to president, whether you agree with him or not.

tony hipchest
04-13-2010, 11:28 PM
im almost certain this is a year old topic that was beaten to death mercilessly.

or else another asshat is trying the same old bullshit because he is too gutless to go and do what he had signed up to do.

after actually reading the article it appears to be the latter. way to go Lt. Col. Pussbag (atleast he didnt shoot up Ft. Hood). :thumbsup:

Godfather
04-13-2010, 11:33 PM
im almost certain this is a year old topic that was beaten to death mercilessly.

or else another asshat is trying the same old bullshit because he is too gutless to go and do what he had signed up to do.

after actually reading the article it appears to be the latter. way to go Lt. Col. Pussbag (atleast he didnt shoot up Ft. Hood). :thumbsup:

Dude is a coward POS.

Imagine if someone pulled this crap between 2001-04 because "Bush stole the election".

steelerdude15
04-13-2010, 11:35 PM
Might as well go even if you disagree with the President... you'll never agree on everything when it comes to the president.

tony hipchest
04-14-2010, 12:13 AM
Dude is a coward POS.

Imagine if someone pulled this crap between 2001-04 because "Bush stole the election".i applied to the air force academy to be a field surgeon. granted, i wanted the scholorship to pay for my expenses, but moreso than that, i liked the idea of military duty, and if a soldier was in trauma, i wanted my eyes to be the last eyes they would ever look into knowing i was going to do everything humanly possible to save their life.

that is who a military doctor should be dedicated to serve. not no freaking president, or party, or administration.

the air force acadamy turned me down and the govt wasted their time with this piece of shit army "doctor" who was appearantly expecting a free ride.

xfl2001fan
04-14-2010, 05:36 AM
Missing movement, failure to report, conduct unbecoming...throw the book at him. I need to get out my PP slide show on the best way to "counsel" a Soldier (which is to show them all the ways I can use the UCMJ against them if they continue to screw up.)

urgle burgle
04-14-2010, 11:58 AM
pathetic...........absolutely pathetic.

this reminds me of a conversation i once had with a friend, back in 93. we were in the Army guard at the time, and discussion came up about possible mobilization. this was all hypothetical. he couldnt stand clinton. he pondered that if clinton mobilized us, that he might not go. his point was he joined under bush I, and not clinton. that is where his loyalties lay, and he viewed clinton as an anathema. my argument, and i didnt like clinton either, was, you joined to serve the Country and the State, not the President. as long as its not illegal, you go.

this idiot is putting his politics before his service. as tony stated, hes a doc, probably incredibly needed over there, which makes it worse. you refuse to go, you get brung up on charges. id go with treason, in my opinion, but that isnt likely, and probably not prudent. strip him of his rank, and send his ass to the cleaners.

Indo
04-14-2010, 12:34 PM
We have discussed this topic before; soldiers who refuse to honor their oath make me crazy.

http://www.steelersfever.com/forums/showpost.php?p=570319&postcount=58

But the interesting thing about this Lt. Col. is that he is a doctor----the US ARMY paid for his medical school. I have previously explained how that works

http://www.steelersfever.com/forums/showpost.php?p=694638&postcount=53

And now he has the balls to say he isn't going to honor his oath as a soldier or his obligation to the US ARMY as a doctor.

Perhaps he just needs to be dishonorably discharged (and then required to refund the US ARMY the cost of his medical education). We don't need soldiers or doctors like that...

Bng_Hevn
04-14-2010, 01:20 PM
im almost certain this is a year old topic that was beaten to death mercilessly.

or else another asshat is trying the same old bullshit because he is too gutless to go and do what he had signed up to do.

after actually reading the article it appears to be the latter. way to go Lt. Col. Pussbag (atleast he didnt shoot up Ft. Hood). :thumbsup:

He server in Vietnam and earned the medal of honor, I hightly doubt he is afraid to go to the Middle East. Besides, with his rank and tenure, I also highly doubt he would be in harms way.

No, I'd say he is sacrificing his career and all the benefits (retirement etc) for something he truly believes and wants it to be made "front page".

I wouldn't sacrifice all that he is prepared to give up but that's just me. No matter if they elected a monkey to the oval office.

Difficult to get my head around this one. I wonder what he would do if they showed him irrefutable proof.

Also, Bruce Lee was born in the US but to elect him president (if he would have lived long enough that is) would be ludicrous. He was born in San Fran and immediately went back to China, which is more than likely the same situation for Obama except that he went back to Kenya to learn the socialist idealogy.

Be interesting to see where this ends up.

Indo
04-14-2010, 01:28 PM
He served in Vietnam and earned the medal of honor, I hightly doubt he is afraid to go to the Middle East. Besides, with his rank and tenure, I also highly doubt he would be in harms way.

No, I'd say he is sacrificing his career and all the benefits (retirement etc) for something he truly believes and wants it to be made "front page".

I wouldn't sacrifice all that he is prepared to give up but that's just me. No matter if they elected a monkey to the oval office.

Difficult to get my head around this one. I wonder what he would do if they showed him irrefutable proof.

Also, Bruce Lee was born in the US but to elect him president (if he would have lived long enough that is) would be ludicrous. He was born in San Fran and immediately went back to China, which is more than likely the same situation for Obama except that he went back to Kenya to learn the socialist idealogy.

Be interesting to see where this ends up.


Read the article again---his COMMANDING OFFICER won the Medal of Honor while serving in Viet Nam...not Lt. Col. Lakin, the doctor

smokin3000gt
04-14-2010, 02:23 PM
im almost certain this is a year old topic that was beaten to death mercilessly.

or else another asshat is trying the same old bullshit because he is too gutless to go and do what he had signed up to do.

after actually reading the article it appears to be the latter. way to go Lt. Col. Pussbag (atleast he didnt shoot up Ft. Hood). :thumbsup:


I'm glad you see humor in that, tony. It's a real gasser.

tony hipchest
04-14-2010, 07:03 PM
I'm glad you see humor in that, tony. It's a real gasser.i most certainly wasnt joking, and was dead sirius.

is that example of protesting obama a bit too real for a "right wing extremist"?

the dude is hiding his labia behind "politics". atleast he isnt taking his confusion and idiocy out on others. does that rephrasal make you feel warm and fuzzy inside with political correctness?

urgle burgle
04-14-2010, 11:04 PM
i hide my labia with a sock, some velcro, and some sticky tape. it itches a lot, but other than that, it is respectable.

MasterOfPuppets
04-14-2010, 11:22 PM
they should stuff him in a howitzer and just fire him in the direction of afghanistan...:thumbsup:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8541/m7776.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/m7776.jpg/)

urgle burgle
04-15-2010, 10:54 AM
they should stuff him in a howitzer and just fire him in the direction of afghanistan...:thumbsup:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8541/m7776.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/m7776.jpg/)


now thats a voice of reason and intelligence, kudoscosticationalation.

Preacher
04-15-2010, 02:26 PM
i most certainly wasnt joking, and was dead sirius.

is that example of protesting obama a bit too real for a "right wing extremist"?

the dude is hiding his labia behind "politics". atleast he isnt taking his confusion and idiocy out on others. does that rephrasal make you feel warm and fuzzy inside with political correctness?

The difference Tony,

Is that this guy still shows up for work everyday. He has been changed over to Walter Reed medical center, but he stll shows up everyday to work. He is perfectly within his right, if he thinks an order is illegal, to reject it.

Its the same law that Nuremberg and Tokyo war crime trials were dependent on to convict many secondary actors in the wars. It is the same law the Calley was originally convicted on in My Lai.

While this doesn't even come close to rising to that level, the law ITSELF is right, and if this guy feels that the orders are illegal, he is BOUND to not follow them.

Such is the weird twists of law.

tony hipchest
04-15-2010, 03:31 PM
The difference Tony,

Is that this guy still shows up for work everyday. He has been changed over to Walter Reed medical center, but he stll shows up everyday to work. He is perfectly within his right, if he thinks an order is illegal, to reject it.

.not to be rude, but what is it with the reading comprehension and this article? :huh:

Lakin refused to report to Fort Campbell, Ky., for deployment to Afghanistan, but instead went to the Pentagon. There on Monday he was confronted by his brigade commander, Col. Gordon Roberts, and informed he could face court martial,

he does not show up to work every day, he instead goes to the pentagon and gets threatened with a freaking court marshall from his COMMANDER col. roberts (who does show up to work every day at walter reed) :dang:

he is perfectly within his right to get a boot in his ass.

thats the only difference i see.

his Pentagon building pass and government laptop computer were seized.
looks like he wont be playing hookey and taking a field trip to the pentagon any time soon.

Preacher
04-15-2010, 03:38 PM
not to be rude, but what is it with the reading comprehension and this article? :huh:



he does not show up to work every day, he instead goes to the pentagon and gets threatened with a freaking court marshall from his COMMANDER col. roberts (who does show up to work every day at walter reed) :dang:

he is perfectly within his right to get a boot in his ass.

thats the only difference i see.

looks like he wont be playing hookey and taking a field trip to the pentagon any time soon.

No, he showed up to his PREVIOUS job because he believed the orders to his CURRENT job were illegal and thus, there were no orders.

Otherwise, he would have been charged with being AWOL, which is was not. (or whatever they call it today).

And let's remember, this isn't some 20 year old afraid of war. This is a MOH winner from Vietnam.

Indo
04-15-2010, 04:25 PM
No, he showed up to his PREVIOUS job because he believed the orders to his CURRENT job were illegal and thus, there were no orders.

Otherwise, he would have been charged with being AWOL, which is was not. (or whatever they call it today).

And let's remember, this isn't some 20 year old afraid of war. This is a MOH winner from Vietnam.

The Medal of Honor winner was Roberts (the Commanding Officer) not Lt. Col. Lakin, the doctor who refused his orders

WASHINGTON - The Army may be forced to court-martial a lieutenant colonel who refused to deploy to Afghanistan because he considers orders from President Barack Obama to be illegal, military officials told NBC News on Tuesday.

Army doctor Lt. Col. Terry Lakin believes Obama does not meet the constitutional requirements to be president and commander-in-chief because Lakin believes the president was not born in the United States. A video with statements from Lakin on the subject was released by the right-wing American Patriot Foundation.

Lakin refused to report to Fort Campbell, Ky., for deployment to Afghanistan, but instead went to the Pentagon. There on Monday he was confronted by his brigade commander, Col. Gordon Roberts, and informed he could face court martial, and his Pentagon building pass and government laptop computer were seized.
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Roberts is the commander of the medical brigade out of Walter Reed. He is the only active-duty Medal of Honor winner in the military. He received the honor for action in Vietnam.

The Patriot
04-15-2010, 04:40 PM
The difference Tony,

Is that this guy still shows up for work everyday. He has been changed over to Walter Reed medical center, but he stll shows up everyday to work. He is perfectly within his right, if he thinks an order is illegal, to reject it.

Its the same law that Nuremberg and Tokyo war crime trials were dependent on to convict many secondary actors in the wars. It is the same law the Calley was originally convicted on in My Lai.

While this doesn't even come close to rising to that level, the law ITSELF is right, and if this guy feels that the orders are illegal, he is BOUND to not follow them.

Such is the weird twists of law.

So if I soldier doesn't think that the president's birth certificate is real, even though it has been verified by the proper government agencies, he doesn't have to follow orders?

revefsreleets
04-15-2010, 04:41 PM
For the 1,987,564th time, if the greatest political attack machine in the history of the United States (i.e. The Clinton's) could not make this dog hunt, no other lessor entity ever will.

Dead subject.

Preacher
04-15-2010, 04:46 PM
The Medal of Honor winner was Roberts (the Commanding Officer) not Lt. Col. Lakin, the doctor who refused his orders


Oops! LOL. Guess tony was right about that reading comprehension thing :rofl:

fansince'76
04-15-2010, 06:05 PM
The Medal of Honor winner was Roberts (the Commanding Officer) not Lt. Col. Lakin, the doctor who refused his orders

Be that as it may, and I also think he's dead wrong, but he's not some butterbar lieutenant straight out of ROTC himself:

Lakin has earned the distinction of taking care of many Admirals and Generals since working at the Pentagon, where he serves as Chief of Primary Care and Flight Surgeon for the DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic and is the lead Flight Surgeon charged with caring for Army Chief of Staff General Casey's pilots and air crew.

LTC Lakin's numerous awards and decorations include the Army Flight Surgeon Badge, Combat Medical Badge, the Bronze Star Medal, the Meritorious Service Medal, the Army Commendation Medal with three Oak Leaf Clusters, the Army Achievement Medal with two Oak Leaf Clusters, the National Defense Service Medal with Bronze Service Star, the Armed ForcesExpedition Medal, the Army Reserve Component Achievement Medal, the Army Service Ribbon, the Overseas Service Ribbon sixth award and the NATO service medal.

He has served previously in Honduras, Bosnia, Korea, and Afghanistan.

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.5867/pub_detail.asp

Can't understand why someone with that much service invested would throw it all away like that, especially over something this stupid.

tony hipchest
04-15-2010, 06:12 PM
Can't understand why someone with that much service invested would throw it all away like that, especially over something this stupid.because he is being taken out of his cushie, air conditioned job of taking "care" of admirals and generals (meaning he sticks his finger [and figurative tongue] up their butts and writes prescriptions for colds), and being asked to go do some real work in a combat zone.

this guy is not a hero. but people will paint him out to be because of partisanship and simply opposing obama. its something they can relate with, while the true reward of saving an 18 year old soldiers life is something they cant.

on this board, he will be painted as a decorated viet nam war veteran, simply so some people can try to oppose my stance.

there is nothing noble or respectable about this guy. that is my take and i am sticking to it, and i sleep well knowing my stance has nothing to do with partisanship, or obama or politics.

it has to do with duty.

godfather already summed it up nicely, and i am almost 100% sure a fellow member on this board (who happens to be a surgeon) would agree as well.

(im not ranting at you fansince) - but if anyone wants to debate this any further please READ AND COMPREHEND the difference between larkin and his COMMANDER (which has already been pointed out about 4-5 times in this thread).

fansince'76
04-15-2010, 06:14 PM
because he is being taken out of his cushie, air conditioned job of taking "care" of admirals and generals (meaning he sticks his finger [and figurative tongue] up their butts and writes prescriptions for colds), and being asked to go do some real work in a combat zone.

Yeah, but he's already been stationed in Afghanistan and earned a Combat Medical Badge previously. :noidea:

Having said that, I think his actions are unconscionable. Especially considering that a LTC with as many years of service as he obviously has knows the deal - you get called up, you GO. He's not some wet behind the ears idealistic lieutenant who went through ROTC to pay for college and is "conscientiously objecting" or something. This guy's been around.

MasterOfPuppets
04-15-2010, 07:30 PM
or something. This guy's been around.
apparently he hasn't been around enough to know the birth certificate thing is a dead issue...:noidea:

smokin3000gt
04-15-2010, 09:26 PM
i most certainly wasnt joking, and was dead sirius.

is that example of protesting obama a bit too real for a "right wing extremist"?

the dude is hiding his labia behind "politics". atleast he isnt taking his confusion and idiocy out on others. does that rephrasal make you feel warm and fuzzy inside with political correctness?

Anyone who knows me knows I'm not one for political correctness. As far as the right wing extremist thing, well if pelosi/reid said I am then I must be.

BTW I don't disagree. I think if he's enlisted then he needs to follow orders. I do think you're funny enough guy that you don't need to use 13 dead for a punchline.

tony hipchest
04-15-2010, 09:45 PM
Anyone who knows me knows I'm not one for political correctness. As far as the right wing extremist thing, well if pelosi/reid said I am then I must be.

BTW I don't disagree. I think if he's enlisted then he needs to follow orders. I do think you're funny enough guy that you don't need to use 13 dead for a punchline.well im sorry if you feel it was a "punchline" cause anyone who knows me can probably see that wasnt the intent.

more like a sad, sarcastic, non-partisan, commentary on society and to what lengths some of these extremist nutjobs will go to make a political or religious stand.

hindes204
04-15-2010, 10:34 PM
This guy is an idiot...the more and more i read about this guy, the more i believe that he is doing this to get out of going over there again. I know some people have the argument of "hes been there before so that cant be the reason he is doing this." But, maybe its [B]because he has[B] been there before that makes him not want to go back. This birther movement is idiotic, and been proven wrong by a few sources. One was Bill Oreilly (who Im sure everyone here loves, lol)...the investigators on his show found the birth announcements in the Hawaii paper from the day he was born...thats good enough for me.

And someone earlier mentioned (too lazy to read back through) something about Bush not "winning" in Florida and what would of happened if a soldier refused his orders due to that...that did happen actually, and the soldiers were punished accordingly, just like this asshat will be

Bng_Hevn
04-16-2010, 01:27 PM
Read the article again---his COMMANDING OFFICER won the Medal of Honor while serving in Viet Nam...not Lt. Col. Lakin, the doctor

Yeah, I guess I am guilty of skimming.

In that case, he is a cowardly soul who needs to wake up.

I remember during the Gulf War in 90/91 I heard many stories of people enlisting int he service to "get money for college", they didn't expect to have to go to war.

It really makes me sick. When I enlisted I didn't think of "going to war" but I certainly wasn't going to not do what was asked of me. You make a choice and go with it.

What rank is the LT Colonel in the Army? In the Marines it's o5 I think. How long has this fellow been in the Army?

Looks like he is using Obama not being born in US as an excuse.

NJarhead
04-16-2010, 01:30 PM
Yeah, I guess I am guilty of skimming.

In that case, he is a cowardly soul who needs to wake up.

I remember during the Gulf War in 90/91 I heard many stories of people enlisting int he service to "get money for college", they didn't expect to have to go to war.

It really makes me sick. When I enlisted I didn't think of "going to war" but I certainly wasn't going to not do what was asked of me. You make a choice and go with it.

What rank is the LT Colonel in the Army? In the Marines it's o5 I think. How long has this fellow been in the Army?

Looks like he is using Obama not being born in US as an excuse.

The officer rank structure is the same in the Army, Marines and Air Force.

Indo
04-16-2010, 03:30 PM
Be that as it may, and I also think he's dead wrong, but he's not some butterbar lieutenant straight out of ROTC himself:


Lakin has earned the distinction of taking care of many Admirals and Generals since working at the Pentagon, where he serves as Chief of Primary Care and Flight Surgeon for the DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic and is the lead Flight Surgeon charged with caring for Army Chief of Staff General Casey's pilots and air crew.

LTC Lakin's numerous awards and decorations include the Army Flight Surgeon Badge, Combat Medical Badge, the Bronze Star Medal, the Meritorious Service Medal, the Army Commendation Medal with three Oak Leaf Clusters, the Army Achievement Medal with two Oak Leaf Clusters, the National Defense Service Medal with Bronze Service Star, the Armed ForcesExpedition Medal, the Army Reserve Component Achievement Medal, the Army Service Ribbon, the Overseas Service Ribbon sixth award and the NATO service medal.

He has served previously in Honduras, Bosnia, Korea, and Afghanistan.
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.5867/pub_detail.asp

Can't understand why someone with that much service invested would throw it all away like that, especially over something this stupid.

I have to agree. He just threw away a well-decorated career. If he wanted to protest based on a question of birth certificate, why not BEGIN protesting the day Obama was sworn-in? Instead he waits until his current orders change to deployment orders and THEN he protests? As somebody said, it looks like he's looking for an excuse to avoid having to go back to the Beach.

He'll never be a full-bird Colonel

steelerohio
04-18-2010, 12:44 PM
He should just retire or get discharged instead of spouting off... No real proof either way of his citizenship (questions do remain in my mind) but he got elected by the majority and, unless a real proof comes to light saying he is not a Constitutional President, then he is the main guy.
(And I hope not, I don't want Biden to be President.)

urgle burgle
04-18-2010, 01:28 PM
although i disagree with this officer exponentially, and think he is NOW a douchebag....to get the CBM (combat medical badge) and especially the bronze star means at one time he served with honor, courage, and distinction. they don't just hand out the bronze star, even to officers, methinks that he is now not so honorable.

Indo
04-18-2010, 04:31 PM
although i disagree with this officer exponentially, and think he is NOW a douchebag....to get the CBM (combat medical badge) and especially the bronze star means at one time he served with honor, courage, and distinction. they don't just hand out the bronze star, even to officers, methinks that he is now not so honorable.

yes