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SteelerEmpire
04-14-2010, 08:09 PM
Man O Man .... LINK: http://www.thegrio.com/opinion/why-is-virginias-governor-still-fighting-the-civil-war.php

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Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell is an "interesting" politician. He's incredibly polished when speaking on script, but if you broadside him with an unexpected question, he fumbles his words like a 16-year old boy seeing a naked woman for the first time. I recall watching Gov. McDonnell on television, explaining in an incredibly eloquent fashion how Barack Obama's health care reform plan was going to lead our nation to hell in a hand basket. Heck, he almost had me convinced. But then Greta Van Susteren threw a sharp question at McDonnell that he didn't see coming, and that is when he lost my respect. Upon trying to answer a question about what to do with the uninsured, McDonnell lost his cool faster than a popsicle in a tanning bed. Forrest Gump could have done a better job.

When you are governor of a state like Virginia, you've got to be smooth. When you are a governor attempting to explain how our country should commemorate the Confederacy, you've got to be Bill Clinton smooth and pretty damn persuasive. McDonnell wasn't smooth at all recently when a reporter asked him why he forgot to mention the evils of slavery during his announcement that his state will commemorate Confederate History Month. That's when his critics really got excited.

Going beyond Bob McDonnell's own inadequacies as governor, let's think carefully about why a Republican governor in a southern state might want to remember the Confederacy. One can make the logical argument that Confederates, like other radical groups, were an important part of history and deserve to have their memories preserved. I can almost buy that, but not really.

The problem, however, is that the Confederate government, which lasted less than the amount of time most students spend in college, was "rest[ed] upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery--subordination to the superior race--is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth," according to Alexander Stephens, the Vice President of the Confederate States of America.

So, as a Republican governor who is already connected to a party that is regularly accused of racism, McDonnell is promoting the commemoration of an organization founded on the premise that black people are inferior. So, we no longer have to guess if McDonnell is a racist, some might say we have undeniable proof. Attempting to honor the Confederacy while citing the evils of slavery is like trying to commemorate Santa Claus while denouncing Christmas.

The Confederate flag is the swastika for African-Americans. It reminds us of a national movement designed to legalize the rape, murder, castration, beating, bondage and lynching of our people. Those who support this movement, in the past or present, are no better and no different than those who supported the work of Adolf Hitler. That's the bottom line.

Governor McDonnell's decision to go out of his way to praise the movement that claims that black people are inferior is interesting in light of the recent populist backlash against our first African-American president. The vocal discussion of states rights and longing for the days in which black people were slaves is reminiscent of where our nation was 200 years ago. To give you a quick summary of who Governor McDonnell chooses as his heroes, consider the words of historian William J. Cooper, who wrote a biography of Confederacy President Jefferson Davis:

For his entire life he (Davis) believed in the superiority of the white race. He also owned slaves, defended slavery as moral and as a social good, and fought a great war to maintain it. After 1865 he opposed new rights for blacks. He rejoiced at the collapse of Reconstruction and the reassertion of white superiority with its accompanying black subordination.

Anyone who condones these beliefs in any way and celebrates a government founded on such absurd principles has no place in our democracy. The fact that this conversation is being had is yet another reminder that we do not live in a post-racial America. I would say that Bob McDonnell should no longer be governor, but the fact that so many people support him makes my case that much stronger

SteelCityMom
04-14-2010, 09:25 PM
This whole thing is being blown out of proportion by the media. The Confederacy was not created because they wanted slaves and the north didn't. It was far deeper than that, and anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.

Southern states have every right to recognize their Confederate roots w/o being slaughtered by the media IMO.

urgle burgle
04-14-2010, 11:00 PM
hmmmm.........

interesting, to say the least. on one hand, in a sense, i understand trying to honor a part of ones past, the majority of those that fought in the civil war, were good people. most who fought never owned slaves. they were mostly fighting to defend their homes and govt. infringement on their rights, as they saw it. however, it was treasonous, and those at the top did defend slavery, and support till their dying breaths. im not sure how i feel about it. it is a more complicated issue than "the confederacy supported slavery, so they are all dispicable", and more complicated than "its american and virginian history, we have a right to acknowledge and honor our past,"
the thing that bothers me, is, in a sense, it is slightly hypocritical. we have "native american history month", "asian american history month", etc. But do we force those months to bring up indians that slaughtered innocents, and each other. Do we bring up the Imperialism of China and Japan. i dont know, but this could lead to an interesting discussion, if it is done respectably and without blasting each other.

steelax04
04-14-2010, 11:19 PM
So what should be done about Confederate history? Teach it or forget it? Is there even a way to approach the subject without it being played as racist?

X-Terminator
04-14-2010, 11:23 PM
Hmmm, I've always been a believer of if you're going to discuss and recognize American history, then you need to discuss and recognize ALL of American history, even some of which you don't like or agree with. If McDonnell wants to recognize "Confederate History Month," then hey, knock yourself out. I can accept that...but don't expect me to like it or feel comfortable with it.

I'm sorry, but when I see that flag, I think "racist white redneck - avoid at all costs." Even if the person isn't - and I acknowledge that most aren't - I still can't help but think that when I see it.

tony hipchest
04-14-2010, 11:24 PM
maybe we should have a national history month that we all can enjoy.

like "national manifest destiny month" where we celebrate the slaughter of native americans (better known as 'savages') that helped grow and expand this great nation of ours.

we can all wear commercialized pilgrim hats. :thumbsup: :hatsoff:

xXTheSteelKingsXx
04-14-2010, 11:37 PM
maybe we should have a national history month that we all can enjoy.

like "national manifest destiny month" where we celebrate the slaughter of native americans (better known as 'savages') that helped grow and expand this great nation of ours.

we can all wear commercialized pilgrim hats. :thumbsup: :hatsoff:

"National Japanese Internment Camp Week" :noidea:

MasterOfPuppets
04-14-2010, 11:41 PM
maybe we should have a national history month that we all can enjoy.

like "national manifest destiny month" where we celebrate the slaughter of native americans (better known as 'savages') that helped grow and expand this great nation of ours.

we can all wear commercialized pilgrim hats. :thumbsup: :hatsoff:
and they can play this 24/7 .....:jammin:

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MACH1
04-14-2010, 11:45 PM
How about "Remember the Constitution" month.

Vincent
04-14-2010, 11:54 PM
It must be awkward, no downright petrifying to donkeys when somebody brings up anything "Confederate". Its a shared legacy. It is a legacy that then Senator Gore of Tennessee recognized each Nathan Bedford Forrest day. It is a legacy that Bill Clinton recognized as he served Senator Fullbright, a devout segregationist. Its the legacy of Senator Fritz Hollings who hailed from a state that still flies the Stars and Bars. The physical manifestation of that legacy is Senator Robert Byrd. I'm not justifying or criticizing any of them. Merely pointing out the legacy and the selective moral outrage of the left.

You really have to appreciate the rich irony of an elephant governor that sits in the seat of the capital of the Confederacy, declaring "Confederate History Month" and donkeys getting all wee-weed up over it. And the reality that the elephants ended the Confederacy and slavery really roasts their weenies.

urgle burgle
04-15-2010, 10:53 AM
all good points above....even with the sarcasm and flippancy, which i like anyway. maybe, just maybe, we should get rid of all the "whatever whatever history months" and just teach history, as x-terminator mentioned, warts and all, in context, and let people decide for themselves what they want to think or feel.

SCSTILLER
04-15-2010, 12:18 PM
all good points above....even with the sarcasm and flippancy, which i like anyway. maybe, just maybe, we should get rid of all the "whatever whatever history months" and just teach history, as x-terminator mentioned, warts and all, in context, and let people decide for themselves what they want to think or feel.

Come on Urgle, people are not allowed to think or decide for themselves, everyone knows that :chuckle:

I have to agree with XT, it is a part of American History and has to be remembered and taught. We, as a nation, cannot just bury the ugly parts of our history and only remember and celebrate the "pretty" parts. Whether I agree with parts of our history or not, it all needs to be remembered and taught.

"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it" Santayana

atlsteelers
04-15-2010, 12:48 PM
Come on Urgle, people are not allowed to think or decide for themselves, everyone knows that :chuckle:

I have to agree with XT, it is a part of American History and has to be remembered and taught. We, as a nation, cannot just bury the ugly parts of our history and only remember and celebrate the "pretty" parts. Whether I agree with parts of our history or not, it all needs to be remembered and taught.

"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it" Santayana

i agree that the civil war needs to be taught in its whole but growing up in the south and have attended middle, high school, and college in the south (moved from western pa in 85 to atlanta) it is not just taught but the "war of northern aggresion" is romanticize down here. a person would think that Robert E Lee was the greatest american to ever live and Grant was the devil himself. The state of georiga did not have a post reconstruction republican governor until 7 years ago thanks to Lincoln.

SteelerEmpire
04-15-2010, 05:55 PM
Come on Urgle, people are not allowed to think or decide for themselves, everyone knows that :chuckle:

I have to agree with XT, it is a part of American History and has to be remembered and taught. We, as a nation, cannot just bury the ugly parts of our history and only remember and celebrate the "pretty" parts. Whether I agree with parts of our history or not, it all needs to be remembered and taught.

"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it" Santayana

Correct. We Jews just love it when post Nazi anything makes the news... The louder they scream... the weaker they become. The less they scream... the less they will grow. So it all balances out...