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mesaSteeler
04-15-2010, 12:26 AM
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Mayock sees Steelers taking CB or OL with first pick
April 14th, 2010

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said he doesn’t think the Steelers will take a wide receiver with their first-round pick even though they traded Santonio Holmes to the Jets earlier this week.

“I think a lot of people are panicking and saying they’re going to take a wide receiver at (pick No.) 18,” Mayock said today on a conference call. “I’m not of that persuasion. I think that Pittsburgh feels they either need a corner(back) or an interior offensive lineman.”

Mayock said the second or third round would be a good place for a team to take a wide receiver since that position is deep but is not stocked with first-round picks.

The four players he mentioned when asked about candidates for the Steelers’ first round pick: center/guard Maurkice Pouncey of Florida, guard Mike Iupati of Idaho and cornerbacks Kyle Wilson of Boise State and Kareem Jackson of Alabama.

All, it should be noted, were brought into Pittsburgh by the Steelers this month for pre-draft visits.

ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper said last week that he thinks the Steelers will take Pouncey with their first-round pick.

Mayock is also high on Pouncey.

“I call him a plug-in play player. He’s ready to go right now,” Mayock said. “He’s big enough to anchor against some of those 3-4 nose tackles. He’s athletic enough to snap and pull. I think you can put him in there Day 1 of training camp and I don’t think the NFL game will be too big for him.”

Pouncey, Mayock said, has the capability to play guard, something he might have to do initially if the Steelers draft him.

Aussie_steeler
04-15-2010, 12:44 AM
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The four players he mentioned when asked about candidates for the Steelers’ first round pick: center/guard Maurkice Pouncey of Florida, guard Mike Iupati of Idaho and cornerbacks Kyle Wilson of Boise State and Kareem Jackson of Alabama.

All, it should be noted, were brought into Pittsburgh by the Steelers this month for pre-draft visits.

ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper said last week that he thinks the Steelers will take Pouncey with their first-round pick.

Mayock is also high on Pouncey.

“I call him a plug-in play player. He’s ready to go right now,” Mayock said. “He’s big enough to anchor against some of those 3-4 nose tackles. He’s athletic enough to snap and pull. I think you can put him in there Day 1 of training camp and I don’t think the NFL game will be too big for him.”

Pouncey, Mayock said, has the capability to play guard, something he might have to do initially if the Steelers draft him.

Kareem Jackson is flying up some boards at the moment. I am still partial to having Devin McCourty before Jackson. Kareem Jackson will still be available in the 2nd but when someone like Mayock makes some noise I begin to wonder. I didnt see Tyson Jackson screaming up the boards last year.

whatdoiknow
04-15-2010, 12:55 AM
He is entitled to his opinion. But if that is the direction the team is going then I would definitely try to trade down. I think depending on how the first 17 picks go, I think we can convince the Eagles to give us their pick at 24 and their 3rd rounder at 87 for 18. I think this is definitely possible IF Sean Weatherspoon is there at 18 or McClain. The Eagles desperately need a ready-to-go LB. And reports say that the Eagles really like
Weatherspoon. This way we get another 3rd rounder. And at 24 we can still probably get Pouncey-Wilson/Jackson, or whoever. But taking a guy like Pouncey at 18 I feel is foolish.

Aussie_steeler
04-15-2010, 01:06 AM
Denver is the key to the Linebacker position in the draft. If they take McClain then the giants may well nab Weatherspoon leaving Philli without many options at LB in the first. The remaining LB's would be more 3-4 OLB's ( Graham, Kindle or Hughes)

I think the steelers are making a lot of noise about Iupati and Pouncey because teams will be likely to move up for them (Iupati more so than Pouncey)

I agree 100% in the trade down scenario for an extra late 2nd / early third that can be coupled with the 2 5ths to get back up into the middle of the 2nd. THen you go Pouncey, Kareem Jackson and WR or OLB

7willBheaven
04-15-2010, 01:08 AM
He is entitled to his opinion. But if that is the direction the team is going then I would definitely try to trade down. I think depending on how the first 17 picks go, I think we can convince the Eagles to give us their pick at 24 and their 3rd rounder at 87 for 18. I think this is definitely possible IF Sean Weatherspoon is there at 18 or McClain. The Eagles desperately need a ready-to-go LB. And reports say that the Eagles really like
Weatherspoon. This way we get another 3rd rounder. And at 24 we can still probably get Pouncey-Wilson/Jackson, or whoever. But taking a guy like Pouncey at 18 I feel is foolish.


Your username says it all...with some of the posts you've made haha. If thats who the Steelers want at that pick and they dont want to/cant trade down...I'm fine with it. Not like its the end of the world.

whatdoiknow
04-15-2010, 01:14 AM
Your username says it all...with some of the posts you've made haha. If thats who the Steelers want at that pick and they dont want to/cant trade down...I'm fine with it. Not like its the end of the world.




I never said it would be the end of the world. But it would be stupid cause about 95 % of all top-100 lists have Pouncey in the 25-30 range. And Jackson will definitely be there at 24. Maybe not Wilson, but he might be. No it's not the end of the world. But I guarantee you more steeler fans agree with me about trading down to take one of those guys rather then staying at 18 and selecting them.

SS43Polamalu
04-15-2010, 01:17 AM
I never said it would be the end of the world. But it would be stupid cause about 95 % of all top-100 lists have Pouncey in the 25-30 range. And Jackson will definitely be there at 24. Maybe not Wilson, but he might be. No it's not the end of the world. But I guarantee you more steeler fans agree with me about trading down to take one of those guys rather then staying at 18 and selecting them.

Hell no, Kyle Wilson will for sure be gone, stay at 18 and hope for Earl Thomas, if he's gone take Wilson. If by chance both are gone then you can trade back, but if either are available at 18 and we trade down, A LOT of Steeler fans will be very mad.

Aussie_steeler
04-15-2010, 01:21 AM
I never said it would be the end of the world. But it would be stupid cause about 95 % of all top-100 lists have Pouncey in the 25-30 range. And Jackson will definitely be there at 24. Maybe not Wilson, but he might be. No it's not the end of the world. But I guarantee you more steeler fans agree with me about trading down to take one of those guys rather then staying at 18 and selecting them.

Kareem Jackson is a 2nd round prospect. He is of less value than Pouncey.

I dont understand why Pouncey who is of 25 - 30 value is a BS pick but Kareem Jackson would be fine considering he is a 30 - 55 pick on most boards.:noidea:

Best case scenario = trade down and get Pouncey
Scenario that I could live with = Pouncey at 18

tony hipchest
04-15-2010, 01:36 AM
Denver is the key to the Linebacker position in the draft. If they take McClain then the giants may well nab Weatherspoon leaving Philli without many options at LB in the first. The remaining LB's would be more 3-4 OLB's ( Graham, Kindle or Hughes)

I think the steelers are making a lot of noise about Iupati and Pouncey because teams will be likely to move up for them (Iupati more so than Pouncey)

I agree 100% in the trade down scenario for an extra late 2nd / early third that can be coupled with the 2 5ths to get back up into the middle of the 2nd. THen you go Pouncey, Kareem Jackson and WR or OLBgood point about drumming up interest about iupati and pouncy. and for once i think whatdoiknow makes a relevant post as well.

to make the playoffs you first have to win the division. our foes are no longer going to bang their heads against a wall and pound the rock against us. :banging: it is a losing formula. that is why cinci and the ravens have brought in the likes of stallworth, boldin, bryant and jones, and both teams have been projected to take a TE in the 1st round.

hell even the browns have dumped shitstains such as anderson and quinn to upgrade witht he likes of delhomme and wallace.

it doeant take a genius to figure out our CB's only had 2 interceptions last year (which is 10X more pathetic than our o-line giving up 50 sacks).

IMO earl thomas immediately replaces d. townsend and t. carter on the roster and is probably a sufficient alternative to w. gay, and viable back-up to either troy or clark.

lets see an o-lineman do that. even wilson solidifies our nickel package and is a return threat.

william gay is less than $2 mil/year with SB experience and can be had by any team for a 5th round pick...

yet nobody in the rest of the league wants him. that should tell one all they need to know about how bad we need secondary help.

competition for burnett and lewis is not a bad thing. 2-3 could be starters in the next 2 years.

Texasteel
04-15-2010, 08:09 AM
Kareem Jackson is flying up some boards at the moment. I am still partial to having Devin McCourty before Jackson. Kareem Jackson will still be available in the 2nd but when someone like Mayock makes some noise I begin to wonder. I didnt see Tyson Jackson screaming up the boards last year.


I'm with you Aussie. I don't understand the fact that McCourty is getting no love at all. I think the kid is vastly superior to Jackson. If we take Jackson with McCourty still on the board I will probably drop my chicken wing on our new bed spread, but I guess we don't know everything the teams and the experts do.:noidea:

Maybe SF will sign Colon and solve the problem of being one pick short.

SteelMember
04-15-2010, 08:29 AM
Mayock makes some good points.

“I think a lot of people are panicking"

I think he has been reading this board.

"Mayock said the second or third round would be a good place for a team to take a wide receiver"

Oh, now he's reading my posts. :chuckle:

I'm still holding out hope for either Thomas or Wilson, but if we ended up going OL, I would hope it would be for a tackle... possibly Williams or Davis. If we are going to go interior, I hope we consider trading back to the mid 20's. But seriously, with 11 picks, I think I would very much rather move up, possibly twice. Hopefully getting some better talent from the front of the draft, instead of using them all, and attempt to squeeze in 5 or 6, then throw out the rest.

Some teams need to rebuild and/or fill rosters. We are not one of those teams.

Texasteel
04-15-2010, 08:49 AM
Mayock makes some good points.



I think he has been reading this board.



Oh, now he's reading my posts. :chuckle:

I'm still holding out hope for either Thomas or Wilson, but if we ended up going OL, I would hope it would be for a tackle... possibly Williams or Davis. If we are going to go interior, I hope we consider trading back to the mid 20's. But seriously, with 11 picks, I think I would very much rather move up, possibly twice. Hopefully getting some better talent from the front of the draft, instead of using them all, and attempt to squeeze in 5 or 6, then throw out the rest.

Some teams need to rebuild and/or fill rosters. We are not one of those teams.



You mean to tell me the sky is not falling, imaging that. I think there are some very fine CB, WR, and OL that can be had in the second and even the 3rd round, where the draft is truly made. With 4 5th rounders, I think we will be making, or trying to make some moves in those rounds. I wouldn't be surprised if we get rid of all the picks in the 4th, 5th, and 6th round, except for the once we can't trade.

I just want the best player we can get at #18. Personally I am still hoping for one of the top OT or Thomas, but if its one of the CBs that will be fine with me. I probably would be disappointed in a WR, but not devastated.

SteelMember
04-15-2010, 09:18 AM
With 4 5th rounders, I think we will be making, or trying to make some moves in those rounds. I wouldn't be surprised if we get rid of all the picks in the 4th, 5th, and 6th round, except for the once we can't trade.

This falls right in line with my thinking, Tex.

We don't need all these picks. We don't really have the room for them anyway.

Before the FO started making all of the uncharateristic moves this off-season, yes, there was more needs to fill. After shoring up those areas (NT, FS, ILB, WR), the FO has done a great job of putting themselves in a place to go after the best players available. Now, why not parlay that into getting the best early round players. Trade those late rounders to move up once or twice, or get an additional 2nd or 3rd.

1,2,3,3,5,5,7 + UDFA's

That's more than enough, IMO.

SteelerFanInStl
04-15-2010, 09:28 AM
to make the playoffs you first have to win the division. our foes are no longer going to bang their heads against a wall and pound the rock against us. :banging: it is a losing formula. that is why cinci and the ravens have brought in the likes of stallworth, boldin, bryant and jones, and both teams have been projected to take a TE in the 1st round.

hell even the browns have dumped shitstains such as anderson and quinn to upgrade witht he likes of delhomme and wallace.

it doeant take a genius to figure out our CB's only had 2 interceptions last year (which is 10X more pathetic than our o-line giving up 50 sacks).

IMO earl thomas immediately replaces d. townsend and t. carter on the roster and is probably a sufficient alternative to w. gay, and viable back-up to either troy or clark.

lets see an o-lineman do that. even wilson solidifies our nickel package and is a return threat.

william gay is less than $2 mil/year with SB experience and can be had by any team for a 5th round pick...

yet nobody in the rest of the league wants him. that should tell one all they need to know about how bad we need secondary help.

competition for burnett and lewis is not a bad thing. 2-3 could be starters in the next 2 years.

I agree 100% Tony. The NFL has evolved into a passing game and our division rivals have aggressively improved themselves in that respect. Our pass defense has to be a top priority in this draft.

revefsreleets
04-15-2010, 10:44 AM
I've just now really started thinking about this. I'm thinking that A) We are not going to pick WR#1 pretty much no matter what B) CB is a HUGE need, and Wilson or Thomas (if he can convert) would be brilliant IF AVAILABLE, and if not, I think we do take Pouncey even if it's a slight reach, then address CB in Rd #2, UNLESS, C) The Steelers are higher on the younger CB's drafted last year than we know, which is entirely possible.

The Steelers are very good at holding their cards close to their chests...

Steel_Bus_24
04-15-2010, 12:05 PM
Mayock makes some good points.



I think he has been reading this board.



Oh, now he's reading my posts. :chuckle:

I'm still holding out hope for either Thomas or Wilson, but if we ended up going OL, I would hope it would be for a tackle... possibly Williams or Davis. If we are going to go interior, I hope we consider trading back to the mid 20's. But seriously, with 11 picks, I think I would very much rather move up, possibly twice. Hopefully getting some better talent from the front of the draft, instead of using them all, and attempt to squeeze in 5 or 6, then throw out the rest.



Some teams need to rebuild and/or fill rosters. We are not one of those teams.

I agree.....my heart is set on Thomas or Wilson, and I'll be cheering to get one of them

St33lersguy
04-15-2010, 04:23 PM
Seeing as the steelers have so many late round picks and seeing as how recently their late round picks have been crap they should trade up and get a great player

Aussie_steeler
04-15-2010, 07:19 PM
I've just now really started thinking about this. I'm thinking that A) We are not going to pick WR#1 pretty much no matter what B) CB is a HUGE need, and Wilson or Thomas (if he can convert) would be brilliant IF AVAILABLE, and if not, I think we do take Pouncey even if it's a slight reach, then address CB in Rd #2, UNLESS, C) The Steelers are higher on the younger CB's drafted last year than we know, which is entirely possible.

The Steelers are very good at holding their cards close to their chests...

Rev - I agree with that line of thought as well.

CB is a huge unknown completely when you factor in Keenan Lewis and Joe Burnett.

You cannot pass up a 1st or 2nd round CB if they are available and they are on the steelers draftboard.

The only other position that I see in desperate need of attention is the #3 OLB.

Apart from those two huge needs I can see a lot of best player available picks. Look at what the steelers did in free agency ( from a money perspective due to the cap situation) and I can see a similiar approach with the draft picks. Bigger signing bonuses than usual and future friendly contracts. This might give some insight into who will be drafted ( what players are needing to be replaced in 2-3 years -- Harrison???)