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mesaSteeler
04-15-2010, 12:51 AM
(Mods feel free to move this if you want to which ever Ben thread you feel is appropriate. - mesa)

Goodell plans 'further investigation' of Roethlisberger
Wednesday, April 14, 2010
By Chuck Finder, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10104/1050556-100.stm

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said today he plans to further investigate, analyze and discuss Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger's conduct before he renders a decision in "the near future" on whether to punish him. (Looks like Goodell want Ben to twist in the wind for awhile. - mesa)

Goodell didn't tip his hand Wednesday night, moments before joining a banquet to honor Steelers patriarch Dan Rooney, who was receiving the AFL-CIO's Pennsylvania Citizen of the Year award at the Westin Downtown.

However, Goodell noted that after meeting with the Steelers' star quarterback at the NFL's New York offices Tuesday, he hoped Roethlisberger better grasped the gravity of the conduct code across the league.

"We met for a couple of hours. We had a good discussion," Mr. Goodell said of the three-hour meeting one day after the local district attorney announced that he wasn't going to file charges in a Milledgeville, Ga., bar incident investigated as a sexual assault.

"I think he understands how important the personal-conduct policy is to the NFL. And I hope he has a better understanding of how important it is for everybody in the league.

"We'll continue to gather more information. We'll continue to have that analysis done. And we'll consider it, and we'll make a decision in the near future. I don't know if I'd say there's a normal time [period]. We like to be thorough. We like to be sure we fully understand it. We've talked to, obviously, the player. We'll talk to the Players Association. I think anytime you can get more input into the various factors that are going on, the better decision you'll make.

"What you've got to do is, understand that we have a very high standard of conduct for everybody involved with the NFL, whether it's a player, a coach or the Commissioner. And that we all are all held to that high standard. It's something that I believe in firmly. We owe that to our fans. We owe that to our partners. And it's something we'll continue to reinforce."

Goodell declined to discuss what type of penalty he is considering.

In an earlier press conference before the dinner, Rooney declined to publicly discuss the "serious matter" surrounding Roethlisberger.

He offered simply, "Everybody makes mistakes.

"My job is in Ireland," added Rooney, now the U.S. ambassador to that country, indicating that the team in his absence is run by his son, president Art Rooney II, along with coach Mike Tomlin and director of player personnel Kevin Colbert.

"I would just say that it's a serious matter. And it's being handled properly with Art, Mike and Kevin Colbert. I think they're handling it very well. The Commissioner as you know saw Ben [in New York Tuesday]. I don't have any more to say."

Asked about the general behavior his family expects of Steelers, Rooney -- standing with state AFL-CIO officers, his son, Jim, and Steelers backup quarterback Charlie Batch -- said: "I think the players have to be special. And we have a special man here in Charlie, what he's done, what his foundation does as far as children in this community is exemplary. That's the way it should be. Everybody makes mistakes. But I don't even want to talk about that."

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10104/1050556-100.stm#ixzz0l8nvwjhk

tony hipchest
04-15-2010, 01:52 AM
...in other news goodell announced that he is a virgin even though he jerked it to the internet porn larry z. sent him.

:jerkit:

whatdoiknow
04-15-2010, 02:08 AM
Suspand or no suspend..just announce it already. I mean what else is there to look into. ?
I mean this is not a court of Law. So why doesn't Ben just tell Goodell that he will partake in a Lie detector test ? I mean this is not the 80's. The detectors they have now are so advanced they are basically 100 % accurate. Make Ben, AND the two women take them. If they refuse, then I think they can be called liars. And if Ben refuses, then Goodell has more proof that something nefarious happened.

Stu Pidasso
04-15-2010, 02:20 AM
I would *LOVE* to see what the hell they talked about for THREE HOURS???

LVSteelersfan
04-15-2010, 03:34 AM
Breaking news. Roger Goodell caught in the backseat of his car with two crack *****s. League suspends him for two games. What a load of crock coming from the dictator.

stillers4me
04-15-2010, 06:08 AM
the ratio of black players suspended far outweighs the white.

Goodell should suspend him for half the season atleast. if he doesn't I sure hope the Rooneys step in and do the right thing.

i don't care how good he is at QB and lets be real if he wasn't any good some of the people defending him, wouldn't be

The ratio of black players in the NFL far outweighs the white. Somebody should sue the NFL for discrimination.

And Ben should be suspended for one year just because he IS white. :coffee:

WeegiesWarriors
04-15-2010, 06:11 AM
I don't like this at all. I've been on the side saying Ben should be cut if criminal charges came forth. However, none were. So where do our rights lie that we can't go out to a bar and have a beer? Because when the dust settles on this matter, whether you like it or not, in the eyes of the law that is all that can be proven.

Not to be political but this country is headed toward places it has never been. "Personal Conduct Policy" is a pretty phrase for oppression. And don't think that this is just the NFL and million dollar athletes are held to a higher standard. Companies emulate companies. There could be well be a day you could be fired for being spotted in a place your company's CEO has decided he doesn't want to go.

If Goodell wants to eliminate the CRIMINAL element from the game then fine. My point is nothing criminal has happened here. He can't be allowed to serve as a judge, jury, and executioner. We can't allow that. I hope to God the Union stands up to this guy. I'd be willing to forgo an entire NFL season because of a strike on that issue alone. We need to stand up to this crap.

Rick5895
04-15-2010, 06:24 AM
I don't like this at all. I've been on the side saying Ben should be cut if criminal charges came forth. However, none were. So where do our rights lie that we can't go out to a bar and have a beer? Because when the dust settles on this matter, whether you like it or not, in the eyes of the law that is all that can be proven.

Not to be political but this country is headed toward places it has never been. "Personal Conduct Policy" is a pretty phrase for oppression. And don't think that this is just the NFL and million dollar athletes are held to a higher standard. Companies emulate companies. There could be well be a day you could be fired for being spotted in a place your company's CEO has decided he doesn't want to go.

If Goodell wants to eliminate the CRIMINAL element from the game then fine. My point is nothing criminal has happened here. He can't be allowed to serve as a judge, jury, and executioner. We can't allow that. I hope to God the Union stands up to this guy. I'd be willing to forgo an entire NFL season because of a strike on that issue alone. We need to stand up to this crap.

Although I agree that some companies take personal conduct too far this is simply not a guy going to a bar for a beer.
If you watched the press conference with the D.A. He spoke of Bens actions. I got the impression that Mr.Bright believed the alleged victim and would have liked to bring charges on, but the evidence wasn't there.
I have always thought Ben innocent here, however, it appears to me he may not have been as innocent in this as we all would hope. Ben has been making the wrong choices and in this case put himself in a bad situation especially with the Nevada thing hangin over his head.
I will add this ,In my 25 years of law enforcement I have seen a number of "guilty" people escape criminal charge because a lack of evidence.
I am not saying that is the case here but the more he puts himself in these positions, sooner or later he will be charged and prosecuted.

stillers4me
04-15-2010, 06:51 AM
rape is one of the hardest things to get a conviction on in a he-said she-said

hes a sexual predator, theres a track record

imagine if this was your daughter for a second, not your teams QB


Imagine your son getting hit with a false rape accusation.

Have low morals and raping someone are two vastly different issues.

zulater
04-15-2010, 07:06 AM
Although I agree that some companies take personal conduct too far this is simply not a guy going to a bar for a beer.
If you watched the press conference with the D.A. He spoke of Bens actions. I got the impression that Mr.Bright believed the alleged victim and would have liked to bring charges on, but the evidence wasn't there.


I think Bright came off as a guy who wanted his cake and to eat it too. It was whiney in nature and self serving. In other words what I think was happening is here's a guy who had no case, but was scared he'd come across as soft on a celebrity so he couldn't bring himslef to admit charges just weren't warranted. So instead he infer's Ben's guilt like crazy, using loaded words like repeateldy reffering to the accuser as the victim despite all but admitting a crime probably didn't take place.


I have always thought Ben innocent here, however, it appears to me he may not have been as innocent in this as we all would hope. Ben has been making the wrong choices and in this case put himself in a bad situation especially with the Nevada thing hangin over his head.
I will add this ,In my 25 years of law enforcement I have seen a number of "guilty" people escape criminal charge because a lack of evidence.
I am not saying that is the case here but the more he puts himself in these positions, sooner or later he will be charged and prosecuted.

Here, you want to feel better about this? Think about this. In yersterday's print edition of USA Today there's a story of a sailor who was killed in action during the Dec 7 Pearl Harbor attack who's remains were identified just recently ( over 60 years after his death) by DNA procured from a letter he mailed to his mother days before the attack. They extracted his DNA from the stamp on the envelope which his mother preserved. So in other words they extractracted enough DNA off a stamp that was licked over 60 years ago and were able to get enough markers from 60 year old dried up saliva that got mailed half way around the world to achieve a positive ID on a person's remains.

Yet Mr Bright would have us believe that a rape kit that was methodically proccessed within hours of an alleged sexual assualt procured "male DNA" in the alleged victims genital region but they couldn't get enough markers off it to determine whether it was Mr. Roethlisberger's or not. To paraphrase noted patholigist Cyril Wecht take on this conclusion. Yeah right.

RoethlisBURGHer
04-15-2010, 07:07 AM
Imagine your son getting hit with a false rape accusation.

Have low morals and raping someone are two vastly different issues.

Exactly.

Listen, according to some reports the girls story changed from the fact that she said yes, to I don't know if we should but Ben said we should and I said okay then, to that I was sort of raped, to yes he raped me.

It's either rape or it's not. This isn't choosing what dress to wear to Senior Prom, it's a cut and dry issue. You were either raped or you were not.

Who's to say her injuries came from the sex she had with Ben Roethlisberger? People can be very conniving. There have been times were a person has done physical harm to themselves in an attempt to get a person arrested, charged, and convicted of a crime.

Maybe she had very rough sex the night before with someone and got the injuries that way.

In the end, rape could not be proven. Who are we to say if she was raped? If the District Attorney says that there is not evidence of a crime, then I am going to take his word for it.

colescott1
04-15-2010, 07:16 AM
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hes a sexual predator, theres a track record

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So far, the "track record" that you speak of, is a women in NV who made the claim a year later, with no criminal investigation, that supposedly sent emails bragging both BEFORE and AFTER Ben's arrival, that she was gonna have his baby. This same lovely lady, reportedly showed up to the "rape exam", wearing dirty underwear that had another man's "DNA" in it. Sorry...but if there is email evidence of her bragging about having an encounter, before and after the fact...that ain't rape. If nothing else, its entrapment...and I hope the countersuit proves that.

This 2nd hit on your "track record", is from a girl that cops say was "sloppy drunk", and who changed her story 3 times. Original answer, right after the fact, to were you raped, was.... "NO". Then to "kinda" a few hours later????

Yep. for sure, these are two clearcut cases where Ben is a predator. Give me a break.:blah:

Again, as

Hammer67
04-15-2010, 07:52 AM
no he should be suspended because he was caught in a web of lies while somehow cutting up a girls vagina

tell me does that sound like innocent sex to you?


:sign07:

And racist trolls at that....

plenewken
04-15-2010, 08:33 AM
Here, you want to feel better about this? Think about this. In yersterday's print edition of USA Today there's a story of a sailor who was killed in action during the Dec 7 Pearl Harbor attack who's remains were identified just recently ( over 60 years after his death) by DNA procured from a letter he mailed to his mother days before the attack. They extracted his DNA from the stamp on the envelope which his mother preserved. So in other words they extractracted enough DNA off a stamp that was licked over 60 years ago and were able to get enough markers from 60 year old dried up saliva that got mailed half way around the world to achieve a positive ID on a person's remains.

Yet Mr Bright would have us believe that a rape kit that was methodically proccessed within hours of an alleged sexual assualt procured "male DNA" in the alleged victims genital region but they couldn't get enough markers off it to determine whether it was Mr. Roethlisberger's or not. To paraphrase noted patholigist Cyril Wecht take on this conclusion. Yeah right.

Yep! I already made this comment about the so-called impossibility to identify a unique DNA profile due to the size of the sample taken from the alleged victim and I completely agree with you. Dr Wecht has far more credibility in my eyes than whoever told Mr Bright he doesn't need to ask for Ben's DNA cause they won't be able to use it.
Like Dr Wecht said, yeah right! And I'll venture to add that this "technicality" might have saved Ben's @ss.

steeldawg
04-15-2010, 08:46 AM
well also the ratio of black players in the nfl far outweighs the number of white players. This is a pretty ignorant comment.

43Hitman
04-15-2010, 08:49 AM
no he should be suspended because he was caught in a web of lies while somehow cutting up a girls vagina

tell me does that sound like innocent sex to you?

You do know that when you have sex that it is common for the women to have small cuts and abrasions in that area, depending on how wild things get, right? What you are saying paints a very disturbing picture and that isn't the case at all. To top it all off, the rape kit taken on the girl showed no signs of forced trauma to that area. So, let's try and be intellectually honest here.

fansince'76
04-15-2010, 08:50 AM
You do know that when you have sex that it is common for the women to have small cuts and abrasions in that area, depending on how wild things get, right? What you are saying paints a very disturbing picture and that isn't the case at all. To top it all off, the rape kit taken on the girl showed no signs of forced trauma to that area. So, let's try and be intellectually honest here.

Trolls are never intellectually honest.

43Hitman
04-15-2010, 08:55 AM
Trolls are never intellectually honest.

True. Point taken. :hatsoff:

steeldawg
04-15-2010, 08:59 AM
Yep! I already made this comment about the so-called impossibility to identify a unique DNA profile due to the size of the sample taken from the alleged victim and I completely agree with you. Dr Wecht has far more credibility in my eyes than whoever told Mr Bright he doesn't need to ask for Ben's DNA cause they won't be able to use it.
Like Dr Wecht said, yeah right! And I'll venture to add that this "technicality" might have saved Ben's @ss.

You dont even know what they had as far as DNA there could have been no DNA at all. Also i doubt it saved ben's ass they pretty much established they were together in that bathroom and something sexual went on the question is was it consensual. The fact that the girl was so drunk and told the doctor she wasnt even sure if she had sex is what hurt her case . But fact of the matter is being drunk and making a decision you regret later is your own fault. Also she wanted to drop the charges, why because she didnt want the press , sorry to late for that. The reason i think is her story was going to be trashed because it was inconsistent she was hammered and seen hanging around ben at 5 different bars.