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toughsticks87
04-16-2010, 12:14 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2798214

General policy

Engaging in violent and/or criminal activity is unacceptable and constitutes conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League. Such conduct alienates the fans on whom the success of the League depends and has negative and sometimes tragic consequences for both the victim and the perpetrator.

The League is committed to promoting and encouraging lawful conduct and to providing a safe and professional workplace for its employees.

Persons covered by policy

The following persons ("Covered Persons") shall be considered subject to this Policy: (i) all players under contract; (ii) all full-time employees of the National Football League, its Member Clubs and related entities; (iii) all rookie players once they are selected in the NFL college draft; and (iv) all undrafted rookie players, unsigned veterans and other prospective employees once they commence negotiations with a Club concerning employment.

Prohibited conduct

It will be considered conduct detrimental for Covered Persons to engage in (or to aid, abet or conspire to engage in or to incite) violent and/or criminal activity. Examples of such Prohibited Conduct include, without limitation: any crime involving the use or threat of physical violence to a person or persons; the use of a deadly weapon in the commission of a crime; possession or distribution of a weapon in violation of state or federal law; involvement in "hate crimes" or crimes of domestic violence; theft, larceny or other property crimes; sex offenses; racketeering; money laundering; obstruction of justice; resisting arrest; fraud; and violent or threatening conduct. Additionally, Covered Persons shall not by their words or conduct suggest that criminal activity is acceptable or condoned within the NFL.

Persons charged with criminal activity

Any Covered Person arrested for or charged with conduct prohibited by this policy will be required to undergo a consultation and additional counseling as directed. Failure to comply with the consultation and counseling (including being arrested for or charged with additional criminal activity during the evaluation and counseling period) shall itself be conduct detrimental to the National Football League and shall be punishable by fine or suspension at the discretion of the Commissioner.

Disposition of the criminal proceeding

Any Covered Person convicted of or admitting to a criminal violation (including a plea to a lesser included offense; a plea of nolo contendere or no contest; or the acceptance of a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision, or similar arrangement) will be subject to discipline as determined by the Commissioner. Such discipline may include a fine, suspension without pay and/or banishment from the League. Any Covered Person convicted of or admitting to a second criminal violation will be suspended without pay or banished for a period of time to be determined by the Commissioner.

Persons engaged in violent activity in the workplace

Every employee is entitled to a safe and professional workplace free of criminal behavior, violence and threats against personal safety. Criminal conduct in the workplace or against other employees is prohibited. Any Covered Person who commits or threatens violent acts against co-workers, regardless of whether an arrest is made or criminal charges are brought, shall be subject to evaluation, counseling and discipline, including termination of employment.

Duty to report prohibited conduct

To ensure the effective administration of the policy, the League must be advised when a Covered Person engages in Prohibited Conduct. The obligation to report an arrest or criminal charge extends to both the person involved and to the Club or League entity for which he or she works.

When a person subject to this policy is arrested or charged with Prohibited Conduct, that information must be reported to the Club and NFL Security. Failure to report an incident will constitute conduct detrimental and will be taken into consideration in the final determination of discipline under this policy.

Appeal rights

Any person disciplined under this policy shall have a right of appeal, including a hearing, before the Commissioner or his designee. Except for the enforcement of a suspension, no other requirements set forth in the policy will be stayed pending the completion of the appeal.


So where in here does Ben violate the policy? He wasn't charged with anything...?

whatdoiknow
04-16-2010, 12:30 PM
[QUOTE=toughsticks87;802002]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2798214


The League is committed to promoting and encouraging lawful conduct and to providing a safe and professional workplace for its employees.






I find that statement totally Ironic. 95 % of ALL the NFL's outside revenue comes from Beer and Alcohol sales and ads. And more people die or have their lives seriosly altered each and every year than there were more deaths in EVERY single American War that there ever was COMBINED. Think about that, more deaths and Alcoholic-related Incidents each year than the total deaths of every war ever faught.



And yet the league is COMMITED to promoting and encouraging lawful conduct and provinding a safe enviorment for people..( yeah right Roger ):rofl:

NJarhead
04-16-2010, 12:32 PM
[QUOTE=toughsticks87;802002]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2798214


The League is committed to promoting and encouraging lawful conduct and to providing a safe and professional workplace for its employees.






I find that statement totally Ironic. 95 % of ALL the NFL's outside revenue comes from Beer and Alcohol sales and ads. And more people die or have their lives seriosly altered each and every year than there were more deaths in EVERY single American War that there ever was COMBINED. Think about that, more deaths and Alcoholic-related Incidents each year than the total deaths of every war ever faught.



And yet the league is COMMITED to promoting and encouraging lawful conduct and provinding a safe enviorment for people..( yeah right Roger ):rofl:

And of course you have links to the data that supports your claim right? Please share those with us lest we blindly absorb inaccurate information.

Appreciated.

Nadroj 20
04-16-2010, 12:34 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8178bb24&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell issued a memorandum to all clubs, coaches, team presidents and general managers last Wednesday, stressing to all parties the measures that players and team employees must uphold and restating how the league's personal-conduct policy can be applied.

There was deep discussion of the conduct policy and how it applies to subsequent discipline during the league meetings last month in Orlando, Fla. This memo follows up on that, with the timing linked to recent events facing the league, the most prominent being the sexual-assault allegations brought against Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger in Georgia.

Charges weren't filed in that case, but the issuing of the memo is a further indication of how seriously Goodell takes such matters. It also reinforces the overwhelming sentiment throughout the league that Roethlisberger will be suspended for at least a few games for his actions.

Goodell's memo, a copy of which was obtained Thursday, reads:

"The Policy makes clear that NFL and club personnel must do more than simply avoid criminal behavior. We must conduct ourselves in a way that 'is responsible, that promotes the values upon which the league is based, and is lawful.' This standard reflects the recognition that the conduct and behavior of our players and other league and team employees is critically important. Whether it involves your team or another, these incidents affect us all -- every investigation, arrest, or other allegation of improper conduct undermines the respect for our league by our fans, lessens the confidence of our business partners and threatens the continued success of our brand.
"As your club begins its offseason programs and approaches the Draft, I encourage you to be vigilant in reinforcing this message with your players and staff. It makes no difference whether an incident occurs during the season or in the off-season. At every opportunity, you should remind them of your standards and the public’s expectations, of the need to use good judgment, particularly when in a public place, and of the resources available to help us all in meeting these standards."

The memo also points out the various resources available to players, like urging those who intend to drink to make arrangements for their safety and use the league's Safe Ride program. The memo also urges all to avoid "trouble spots" and places where safety cannot be ensured.


That article was dated March 2007....last i heard the conduct policy was revised by Goodell in 2008. This is the article talking about him resending it to all the teams as a reinforcement.

whatdoiknow
04-16-2010, 12:38 PM
Actually I will look. But it was reported on a CNN special about a year ago. Alcoholic related accidents/crimes are the MOST accured each year than any other crime. And they said on average about 14 million people a year are affected by DUI related Incidents. And 14 million is WAY more than american deaths in all the wars. And you CAN look that up my friend. But hey, what does Goodell care ? He's getting his cut of that Alcohol revenues each season.

Tooquickrich
04-16-2010, 12:41 PM
That is the overall NFL conduct policy. Each team has one they put in each players contract.

That's the area where Casey Hampton has his weight clause and Kellen Winslow had his motorcycle clause put in their contracts.

You have to remember the "conduct detrimental to the team and the NFL" statement that is thrown around. The NFL is a business.....plain and simple. The NFL players are no different than any employee of any other company in the U.S., stupidity is a dismissible offense.

whatdoiknow
04-16-2010, 12:45 PM
. The NFL players are no different than any employee of any other company in the U.S., stupidity is a dismissible offense.




Really,,then explain why there are so many Senators and Congressmen and women who still have jobs ?:blah::blah::blah:

NJarhead
04-16-2010, 12:49 PM
Actually I will look. But it was reported on a CNN special about a year ago. Alcoholic related accidents/crimes are the MOST accured each year than any other crime. And they said on average about 14 million people a year are affected by DUI related Incidents. And 14 million is WAY more than american deaths in all the wars. And you CAN look that up my friend. But hey, what does Goodell care ? He's getting his cut of that Alcohol revenues each season.


That's probably true (as irrelevant as it may be). I'm actually more interested in you supporting that "90%" of the NFL's outside revenue (whatever that means) comes from alcohol ads."

Indo
04-16-2010, 12:57 PM
Last time I checked Prohibition was repealed and Alcohol sales are, in fact, LEGAL.

And if you are implying that all of those alcohol related deaths are due to alcohol sold at NFL events you should find the link that says so. I'm guessing that you will be hard-pressed to support that claim.

whatdoiknow
04-16-2010, 01:13 PM
You're right. Alcohol is LEGAL. But the reports from TV on ESPN said that Ben could be facing a suspension, and be placed in the leagues substance abuse program cause they said Alcohol was Involved in BOTH situations. Well first of all, Alcohol in no way played ANY part in the Nevada Alligation. And second, since we BOTH agree that Alcohol is legal. And since we BOTH agree that Ben is over 21, and can buy and drink it legally, and since we BOTH agree that Ben's drinking of Alcohol in no way shape or form involved a Illegal incident like a DUI,,,then how can Goodell and the league Mandate that Ben be placed in the Drug program when all he did was drink a totally LEGAL drink.



Is this filtering into your brain yet ?

NJarhead
04-16-2010, 01:36 PM
You're right. Alcohol is LEGAL. But the reports from TV on ESPN said that Ben could be facing a suspension, and be placed in the leagues substance abuse program cause they said Alcohol was Involved in BOTH situations. Well first of all, Alcohol in no way played ANY part in the Nevada Alligation. And second, since we BOTH agree that Alcohol is legal. And since we BOTH agree that Ben is over 21, and can buy and drink it legally, and since we BOTH agree that Ben's drinking of Alcohol in no way shape or form involved a Illegal incident like a DUI,,,then how can Goodell and the league Mandate that Ben be placed in the Drug program when all he did was drink a totally LEGAL drink.



Is this filtering into your brain yet ?


Still waiting there big mouth. If you want any credibility around here then you can start by supporting your theories with fact and stop with the smart-ass remarks. Think THAT can filter into YOUR brain?

And by-the-way, it's called an "alcohol incident." He's fortunate to work for an organization that will work with him after one or two of those. Once you graduate H.S. (IF you graduate) and enter the real world, you will learn that if you have issues, and alcohol is related to them, you can be canned. Usually, you will be encouraged to enter a program first and sometimes your company even foots the bill. Other times, you're just canned because you've become a burden. Get it?

plenewken
04-16-2010, 01:40 PM
The NFL players are no different than any employee of any other company in the U.S., stupidity is a dismissible offense.

Not exactly cause they have a Union. There's no employment at will in the NFL. They all have a contract unlike most US employees.

Indo
04-16-2010, 02:05 PM
[QUOTE=toughsticks87;802002]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2798214


The League is committed to promoting and encouraging lawful conduct and to providing a safe and professional workplace for its employees.






I find that statement totally Ironic. 95 % of ALL the NFL's outside revenue comes from Beer and Alcohol sales and ads. And more people die or have their lives seriosly altered each and every year than there were more deaths in EVERY single American War that there ever was COMBINED. Think about that, more deaths and Alcoholic-related Incidents each year than the total deaths of every war ever faught.



And yet the league is COMMITED to promoting and encouraging lawful conduct and provinding a safe enviorment for people..( yeah right Roger ):rofl:

So let me get this straight---
In the above post you are saying the League is being hypocritical in that it sells alcohol and that DOESN'T promote safety as it leads to accidents...

But in the post below you are saying that Ben shouldn't be subjected to go into drug rehab because he didn't do anything wrong


You're right. Alcohol is LEGAL. But the reports from TV on ESPN said that Ben could be facing a suspension, and be placed in the leagues substance abuse program cause they said Alcohol was Involved in BOTH situations. Well first of all, Alcohol in no way played ANY part in the Nevada Alligation. And second, since we BOTH agree that Alcohol is legal. And since we BOTH agree that Ben is over 21, and can buy and drink it legally, and since we BOTH agree that Ben's drinking of Alcohol in no way shape or form involved a Illegal incident like a DUI,,,then how can Goodell and the league Mandate that Ben be placed in the Drug program when all he did was drink a totally LEGAL drink.



Is this filtering into your brain yet ?

Is that what you are saying?
Because the two posts contradict each other immensely.
(perhaps you don't know what you're saying. You just like to stir up controversy...and you would do well to stop with the insults, junior. I will put my brain up against yours any time you choose)

Ben was not charged or convicted of anything illegal. BUT the NFL Conduct Policy isn't just about breaking the law. It is about one's CONDUCT. Read this again (and let it filter into YOUR brain):

"The Policy makes clear that NFL and club personnel must do more than simply avoid criminal behavior. We must conduct ourselves in a way that 'is responsible, that promotes the values upon which the league is based, and is lawful.' This standard reflects the recognition that the conduct and behavior of our players and other league and team employees is critically important. Whether it involves your team or another, these incidents affect us all -- every investigation, arrest, or other allegation of improper conduct undermines the respect for our league by our fans, lessens the confidence of our business partners and threatens the continued success of our brand.
"As your club begins its offseason programs and approaches the Draft, I encourage you to be vigilant in reinforcing this message with your players and staff. It makes no difference whether an incident occurs during the season or in the off-season. At every opportunity, you should remind them of your standards and the publicís expectations, of the need to use good judgment, particularly when in a public place, and of the resources available to help us all in meeting these standards."


Do you think it applies to Ben's situation? Because most people on this board do. Or hasn't THAT filtered into your brain, either.

With that, I am done with this

toughsticks87
04-16-2010, 04:15 PM
Does anyone know where the most up to date policy is?

Ricco Suavez
04-16-2010, 04:41 PM
I have not found any figures yet but I believe that most of the NFL's revenue comes from TV contracts, then team merchandise, advertisement, and finally ticket sales and concessions. Sorry I have no facts to back this up just some quick research on the net. One point about alcohol and the workplace, NFL players would be hard pressed to be suspended for alcohol if it did not directly affect their work. Off season drinking with no tickets or arrests could not constitute an infraction. if it did then Jerry Jones presented a good case of breaking that rule just this week.

whatdoiknow
04-16-2010, 04:49 PM
So tell me, do you think the fact that Bill Cowher was doinking some assistent, and was kicked out by his wife reflect good on the league ? Cause in my mind, and most peoples mind that to is a definite violation of the league Conduct policy.



Again...how many games did Rooney suspend Cowher ?

Indo
04-16-2010, 04:54 PM
So tell me, do you think the fact that Bill Cowher was doinking some assistent, and was kicked out by his wife reflect good on the league ? Cause in my mind, and most peoples mind that to is a definite violation of the league Conduct policy.



Again...how many games did Rooney suspend Cowher ?

What year did that occur again?

Because the NFL Conduct Policy came about in 2007.
Cowher had already retired.

You know, we welcome discussions here--about just about anything. But your need to be confrontational in EVERY post you have made thus far is getting old.

whatdoiknow
04-16-2010, 04:57 PM
There has been a standard moral conduct clause in every NFL contract going back to the 60's. So where you are getting this 2007 thing is ridiculous. Goodell didn't invent any new policy. It's the same one.

Indo
04-16-2010, 05:12 PM
There has been a standard moral conduct clause in every NFL contract going back to the 60's. So where you are getting this 2007 thing is ridiculous. Goodell didn't invent any new policy. It's the same one.

No. It's not.

The NFL Conduct Policy was written by Goodell and came out in 2007
It was revised in 2008
and he went out the memo reminding franchises of the conduct policy last week

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2010/04/goodell-clarifies-and-re-emphasizes-nfl-conduct-policy/1

steelerjim58
04-16-2010, 07:00 PM
"The Policy makes clear that NFL and club personnel must do more than simply avoid criminal behavior. We must conduct ourselves in a way that 'is responsible, that promotes the values upon which the league is based, and is lawful.' This standard reflects the recognition that the conduct and behavior of our players and other league and team employees is critically important. Whether it involves your team or another, these incidents affect us all -- every investigation, arrest, or other allegation of improper conduct undermines the respect for our league by our fans, lessens the confidence of our business partners and threatens the continued success of our brand.
"As your club begins its offseason programs and approaches the Draft, I encourage you to be vigilant in reinforcing this message with your players and staff. It makes no difference whether an incident occurs during the season or in the off-season. At every opportunity, you should remind them of your standards and the public’s expectations, of the need to use good judgment, particularly when in a public place, and of the resources available to help us all in meeting these standards."


Do you think it applies to Ben's situation? Because most people on this board do. Or hasn't THAT filtered into your brain, either.

With that, I am done with this[/QUOTE]

I would say that it does apply in this case, but I don't believe that it should. no employer should have that much control over an individual. And I would ask you all, in all honesty, how many fans are going to be affected by these types of incidents? Very, very few IMO.

wootawnee
04-16-2010, 09:42 PM
Steelers suspend Ben.....Not NFL......