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tony hipchest
04-18-2010, 06:07 PM
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Draft week is finally here, and there are still a number of veteran transactions that can have a profound impact on the early rounds.

Will the Washington Redskins sign a veteran left tackle such as Flozell Adams, and then attempt to move down in the first round and acquire more picks in the process?

The Miami Dolphins' trade for Brandon Marshall eliminated their need for a receiver, but created a need at that position in Denver. Speaking of the wide receiver position, that wasn't even a consideration a few weeks ago in Pittsburgh, but now the Steelers -- who traded Santonio Holmes to the New York Jets -- may be looking more closely at the position.

The trade of Ted Ginn Jr. to the San Francisco 49ers probably won't impact the draft too much, but if the Broncos send tight end Tony Scheffler to a place such as Cincinnati, then that will have a ripple effect on the first round.

If Jason Taylor signs with the Jets, that will significantly affect the Jets' draft plans.

Finally, mocking Round 2 -- which we attempt to do right here -- is even more difficult. The time off between Round 1 and Round 2 is a new experience for all decision-makers and teams will have additional time to re-stack their draft boards and get on the phone to work out some trades. This will change the whole complexion of the second day of the draft. It is going to be the most interesting draft in years.

Here is a look at my final mock draft -- this time going three rounds deep -- before the real thing kicks off Thursday (starting at 7:30 p.m. ET).


18. Pittsburgh Steelers
Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech

Holmes is gone and there really isn't enough talent in the receiver group to avoid taking a pass catcher high in the draft. The Steelers like Mike Wallace, but Hines Ward is aging and Limas Sweed is struggling. Thomas is a big athlete with close to 19 yards a catch in a triple-option offense in college.

52. Pittsburgh Steelers
Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama

After solving their new receiver issues in the first round, the Steelers get the much-needed corner here. Jackson comes from the Alabama Cover-2 scheme and possesses solid tackling skills.

82. Pittsburgh Steelers
Alex Carrington, DE, Arkansas State

Carrington has the traits the Steelers look for in a "five-technique" defensive end: Tall, long arms and speed. He's a steal in the third round.

we pass on wilson, iupati, and pouncey in the 1st round.

robinson, ducasse and valdeheer in the 2nd.

tennent and spikes in the 3rd.

i think we payed enough for turdball santonio in the first place. i certainly dont wanna pay another 1st rounder for his replacement. with that being said, he very well could be the most talented playse on their board when they select.

i sure hope we can squeeze another 2nd or 3rd out of this draft and dump some of the dead weight off of the back end.

Psyychoward86
04-18-2010, 07:10 PM
I think if we take a wide receiver early, it's gonna be Golden Tate in the 2nd. I'd be OK with Pat's draft.

MasterOfPuppets
04-18-2010, 07:49 PM
i'd be very disappointed with that draft. ... especially another DE in the first 3 picks .

St33lersguy
04-18-2010, 08:04 PM
Pass on Kyle Wilson for a guy who's unworthy of the top 20 at an area that is not a need. The steelers may have traded Santonio for basically nothing but I am confident that they are still too smart to make THAT dumb of a move

The Duke
04-18-2010, 08:37 PM
I usually agree with kirwan, but definitely not on this one

WR is not a major need for this team

I really hope the earliest they draft a receiver this year is the 3rd. if that....

tony hipchest
04-18-2010, 09:01 PM
I am confident that they are still too smart to make THAT dumb of a moveyour hatred for any kirwan mock aside, i wish i was as confident.

stupid is as stupid does.

they gave in to bens pandering for big targets after letting plexico walk- moved up to draft holmes, spent a 3rd on spaeth, and a second on sweed. (thats about 5 throw away picks right there, unless sweed pans out).

then they gave in to arians bitching about the use of a true fullback, (gave him about 5 posers who could try to pretend to be one), and watched as we handed over our smashmouth identity to a kid who cant even keep his dick in his pants if he walked into chuck-e-cheese.

nothing at this point suprises me.

the smartest thing we done in the past 3 years was get rid of the internet porn pusher we called an offensive lineman, and dumped the multi-million $$$ contracts of over the hill linemen such as simmons and smith.

franchising starks twice wasnt too brilliant either.

all things considered, everything points to us drafting a wr. might as well take dez bryant and all of his character concerns. :dang:

revefsreleets
04-19-2010, 09:48 AM
Interesting...we are now a stupid franchise, and Kirwan mock has more merit than the Steelers FO simply because......he's Kirwan?

Thomas hasn't visited the Steelers. He WAS a 1st round projection, but he broke his foot. He's a 2nd rounder at best. I'm OK with the next two picks but hate this one...

whatdoiknow
04-19-2010, 10:06 AM
Interesting...we are now a stupid franchise, and Kirwan mock has more merit than the Steelers FO simply because......he's Kirwan?

Thomas hasn't visited the Steelers. He WAS a 1st round projection, but he broke his foot. He's a 2nd rounder at best. I'm OK with the next two picks but hate this one...





Thomas is easily considered a 1st rounder, and not a 2nd. Especially after what is told was a good showing yesterday at his workout. However with all that said, I don't want Pittsburgh to select him in round 1, and at 18 either. My biggest concern with Thomas is that in his GT Triple-option run game, Thomas was NEVER at anytime ever double-teamed. He always saw single coverage. And alot of his passes were when defenses didn't expect it. He is a big, physical WR, with big hands. But I still have a little concern. But he will go round 1 I think. Just around the 23-27 area.

revefsreleets
04-19-2010, 10:14 AM
He was always a top 20 pick UNTIL he broke his foot, then he dropped down as low as 3-4 rounds. Now, if he worked out yesterday and looked okay, maybe he will be back in the 1st round, but, regardless, he hasn't visited so I'm thinking the Steelers have little to no interest in him.

MOST importantly, I just don't see them taking a WR with #1 again, and certainly not on a guy who doesn't run crisp routes and may have trouble separating at the next level.

whatdoiknow
04-19-2010, 10:42 AM
He was always a top 20 pick UNTIL he broke his foot, then he dropped down as low as 3-4 rounds. Now, if he worked out yesterday and looked okay, maybe he will be back in the 1st round, but, regardless, he hasn't visited so I'm thinking the Steelers have little to no interest in him.

MOST importantly, I just don't see them taking a WR with #1 again, and certainly not on a guy who doesn't run crisp routes and may have trouble separating at the next level.



Oh I absolutely agree with you there. I mean losing Holmes production, and how he removed alot of defensive pressure that Hines saw, and maybe even Wallace saw. But we did get El, and he did get 50 catches last year for well over 500 Yds, and he is a good slot WR, if Wallace goes to the outside. However since I still feel Sweed is a lost cause. I do think that a lower selection of a WR who has a good work ethic, and has shown great route running abilities and good hands would be a good selection.


That;s why, even though he to has not visited the Steelers is why I might like to see a Jordan Shipley drafted by us in round 4 if he falls that far. Or maybe someone else. But 1st round WR...No. I'm right there with you.

revefsreleets
04-19-2010, 10:50 AM
I'm sticking with my very short wish list of Freddie Barnes...who also did not visit, and won't be drafted by the Steelers.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-19-2010, 04:24 PM
a kid who cant even keep his dick in his pants if he walked into chuck-e-cheese.

: :headshake:

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-19-2010, 04:26 PM
I'd love Freddie Barnes in the 5th. He can be the possession guy when Ward retires and we'd still have Wallace, Randle El, Battle and just need another WR with some speed.

tony hipchest
04-19-2010, 05:17 PM
Interesting...we are now a stupid franchise, and Kirwan mock has more merit than the Steelers FO simply because......he's Kirwan?

...oh, i forgot... you're back. well let me once again emphasize that reading is fundamental and comprehension is key.

familial relations to arians, and believing that the front office is always perfect, and would never lie, skirt the truth, or lead followers astray, doesnt mean they are impervious to making a mistake when it comes to the draft.

as official guru, i know you have special insider connections and insight to the front office (other than the constant wild speculation and flinging poo at the wall), but i can count on 1 hand the good decisions the steelers have made in trying to acquire WR's since hines ward.

randel el- 2nd
trying to get houshmandzadeh
mike wallace- 3rd

ike taylor is the only CB to work out in that same span.

i am well on record why we DONT need to spend a 1st on a wr (or even a 2nd).

with that being said, kirwan still has a fundamental understanding of football and war rooms that is light years ahead of what you have displayed.

him predicting they will draft a WR still carries a million times more weight than you saying they absolutely will not.

atleast we can agree it is unlikely to happen ( i contend its not out of the question and the possiblility cant be dismissed) and would be the stupid thing to do.

hence.... stupid is as stupid does. (giving arians and ben yet another weapon is being an enabler and boarderline gump in the wrong way.)

St33lersguy
04-19-2010, 06:34 PM
your hatred for any kirwan mock aside, i wish i was as confident.

stupid is as stupid does.

they gave in to bens pandering for big targets after letting plexico walk- moved up to draft holmes, spent a 3rd on spaeth, and a second on sweed. (thats about 5 throw away picks right there, unless sweed pans out).

then they gave in to arians bitching about the use of a true fullback, (gave him about 5 posers who could try to pretend to be one), and watched as we handed over our smashmouth identity to a kid who cant even keep his dick in his pants if he walked into chuck-e-cheese.

nothing at this point suprises me.

the smartest thing we done in the past 3 years was get rid of the internet porn pusher we called an offensive lineman, and dumped the multi-million $$$ contracts of over the hill linemen such as simmons and smith.

franchising starks twice wasnt too brilliant either.

all things considered, everything points to us drafting a wr. might as well take dez bryant and all of his character concerns. :dang:

good point, they have made a lot of dumb moves recently. By the way you forgot to mention the steelers continuing to keep arians

revefsreleets
04-20-2010, 10:33 AM
Bleep
Blop
Bloop

This changes nothing. When we DON'T draft a WR with our first pick, not to mention not picking this kid from GT, I'll still be right, and Kirwan will still be wrong. And I'll have the added bonus of not having to clean his spackling off my upper lip from slurping at his nutsack...

But I guess I'll always be sad that I can't join the sad little Braintrust social group...you'll always have me there, bench warmer...

tony hipchest
04-20-2010, 09:48 PM
awwww... how cute. homo smack! :jerkit:

And I'll have the added bonus of not having to clean his spackling off my upper lip from slurping at his nutsack...
not much concern there, with "future HOF" ted ginn and top 20 draftpick "lil' animal" already clogging those pipes. :sofunny:

i would say theres about a 3% chance the steelers actually go with a wr as kirwan suggests, and for your sake, i hope he is wrong so that you have some sort of phyrric victory to feel good about.

since everyone knows ben and arians are both on their final strike and hanging by a thin thread, i dont think upper management is looking to do them any added favors like pandering to their draft wishes.

plus they still have that d. dixon at wr experiment to implement. :toofunny:

revefsreleets
04-21-2010, 09:46 AM
A sad little internet man...

Aussie_steeler
04-22-2010, 04:06 AM
And yet again another nfl draft thread started in good faith has turned into a urinal.

Demaryius Thomas is a candidate that could definitely merit being picked at #18.

I understand the logic totally. High Quality receiver, High quality graduate, #1 receiver potential, potential hole at #1 WR on steelers roster this year / or into the near future. You explore all options because anything can and usually will transpire on draft day.

Will he be a steeler come tomorrow? probably not, but there is a chance and I for one would not be totally pissed off if it was to eventuate.

For a diehard fan of draft season, in a way, I cant wait for it to be over.

revefsreleets
04-22-2010, 09:18 AM
And yet again another nfl draft thread started in good faith has turned into a urinal.

Demaryius Thomas is a candidate that could definitely merit being picked at #18.

I understand the logic totally. High Quality receiver, High quality graduate, #1 receiver potential, potential hole at #1 WR on steelers roster this year / or into the near future. You explore all options because anything can and usually will transpire on draft day.

Will he be a steeler come tomorrow? probably not, but there is a chance and I for one would not be totally pissed off if it was to eventuate.

For a diehard fan of draft season, in a way, I cant wait for it to be over.


Look, here's the point. The thread was fine without the bullshit half-assed nit-wit editorializing. The FACT is, the Steelers have drafted better than any team in the NFL in the last 10 years, and the proof is irrefutable. What other team won two Super Bowl's in the decade with fewer marquee FA signings? I think the '05 team had like 19 starters acquired through the draft. The FO knows what they are doing...

When I see garbage "data", I'm going to call it out, especially when the source spews more of it then the next 10 biggest bullshitters on this board combined.

Now, back to the topic. Sure, the kid is probably going to be good. But there are also a ton of better fits at #18 for us. WR isn't as deep as it was, but the cupboard isn't bare. I just don't think due diligence was done when this mock was made, and my extra comments are addressing the super faulty logic added in by the OP.

Aussie_steeler
04-22-2010, 03:25 PM
Demaryius Thomas's actual full academic bio is hard to source online. On a recent podcast I listened to ( scout.com radio I think) they went into a lot of detail about how Thomas would be a great character pick for the organisation if WR was identified as a huge hole on the roster. His record at GT is apparently very impressive and his wonderlic was better than Rhodes Scholar Myron Rolle.

I rate Thomas as the #2 WR on the board. However he is the #1 WR on the board if you rank via a combination of character and skill.

IMO that is the driving force behind the logic of possibly picking Demaryius Thomas. He would be a safe Public relations pick in these insane times.

Do I want to see it happen - No. I still sit firmly in the Maurkice Pouncey camp and at #18 to boot.

revefsreleets
04-22-2010, 04:04 PM
Demaryius Thomas's actual full academic bio is hard to source online. On a recent podcast I listened to ( scout.com radio I think) they went into a lot of detail about how Thomas would be a great character pick for the organisation if WR was identified as a huge hole on the roster. His record at GT is apparently very impressive and his wonderlic was better than Rhodes Scholar Myron Rolle.

I rate Thomas as the #2 WR on the board. However he is the #1 WR on the board if you rank via a combination of character and skill.

IMO that is the driving force behind the logic of possibly picking Demaryius Thomas. He would be a safe Public relations pick in these insane times.

Do I want to see it happen - No. I still sit firmly in the Maurkice Pouncey camp and at #18 to boot.


I still want CB first...OT or C next.

If there is some kind of trade, I really do NOT want Clausen. Rather pick up an OT early, a CB at 18 and LeFevour in the 2nd or 3rd.

tony hipchest
04-22-2010, 04:31 PM
IMO that is the driving force behind the logic of possibly picking Demaryius Thomas. He would be a safe Public relations pick in these insane times.

Do I want to see it happen - No. I still sit firmly in the Maurkice Pouncey camp and at #18 to boot.exactly. heard him on sirius. sounds like a great guy. same with the alabama CB- its said that if you want someone you dont have to worry about screwing up (or talkin gibberish on twitter like bill gay) he is your man.

theres also buzz that pouncy is climbing up alot of draft boards. gil brandt released his revised "Hot 100" list this morning and has him top 20-

(UP FROM TIER 3) Has speed and toughness. Played in the Sugar Bowl just hours after treatment for kidney stones. Very smart. Has lots of experience as a shotgun center. Maybe the best center prospect in 10 years. kirwan says he will go earlier than expected (possibly refering to the steelers), but also noting that the broncos could desperately use him.

since philly would like e. thomas, i would have no problem trading with them and hoping we get pouncy at their slot (only risk is green bay jumping all over him, possibly even atlanta) in which case we could still probably land kareem jackson.

(UP FROM TIER 4) Another cornerback coached by Nick Saban. Plays the run well and can play bump-and-run or off the receiver. Looks like former Cowboys great Everson Walls, who led the NFL in interceptions each of his first two seasons.


Originally posted by Buckeyeguru
I just don't think due diligence was done when this mock was made

:rofl: that is rich! 100% pure 24K comedy gold! LMAO!

whooooooo....

revefsreleets
04-22-2010, 06:13 PM
exactly. heard him on sirius. sounds like a great guy. same with the alabama CB- its said that if you want someone you dont have to worry about screwing up (or talkin gibberish on twitter like bill gay) he is your man.

theres also buzz that pouncy is climbing up alot of draft boards. gil brandt released his revised "Hot 100" list this morning and has him top 20-

kirwan says he will go earlier than expected (possibly refering to the steelers), but also noting that the broncos could desperately use him.

since philly would like e. thomas, i would have no problem trading with them and hoping we get pouncy at their slot (only risk is green bay jumping all over him, possibly even atlanta) in which case we could still probably land kareem jackson.





:rofl: that is rich! 100% pure 24K comedy gold! LMAO!

whooooooo....

Garbage in, garbage out. A typical Tony post, then you backpeddle madly and blame everyone you can for the initial trash, or, in this case, ignore the salient point about how you WRONGLY called out the best FO in the NFL.

Bunker-map-boy never fails to deliver the nonsense and gobbledygook when called to the mat.

Aussie_steeler
04-23-2010, 07:43 AM
#22 Denver Broncos - Demaryius Thomas

First Wide Receiver off the board.

There was a huge buzz about Thomas over the last week. I got caught out big time last year not listening to the Tyson Jackson rumors.

I know that there are a lot of bogus sources available on the net, but I am starting to pay attention to a few more of them. Some of these guys are starting to give some good tips. ( scout.com radio)

revefsreleets
04-23-2010, 08:13 AM
That was a solid pick-up for the Bronco's....but as good as that pick was, they ruined their whole draft by selecting a 3rd rounder at pick #25.

The real problem could come as early as this year. Orton is definitely NOT the answer, and if Quinn doesn't pan out, and Denver starts losing football games due to poor QB play, they'll almost be forced to play Tebow, and he's not even close to NFL-ready...

Aussie_steeler
04-23-2010, 08:23 AM
That was a solid pick-up for the Bronco's....but as good as that pick was, they ruined their whole draft by selecting a 3rd rounder at pick #25.

The real problem could come as early as this year. Orton is definitely NOT the answer, and if Quinn doesn't pan out, and Denver starts losing football games due to poor QB play, they'll almost be forced to play Tebow, and he's not even close to NFL-ready...

Agreed - some mind blowing picks in the first. McDaniels is seriously trying to steal the crown from the Oakland crypt keeper. I thought he would take Dez Bryant all along. Thomas was a good pick then as you said he climbed out on the limb and jumped off.

You would have to think that Denver see him as a H Back / TE / Wildcat QB.