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BlastFurnace
04-23-2010, 01:45 PM
http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/bobsmizik/default.aspx

Apr 23 2010

Steelers not so good after first round

Friday, 12:45 p.m.

The easy part of the draft is over the hard part begins tonight. You don’t need to be a football genius to spot first-round talent. The job becomes more difficult after that.

As Mike Vukovcan points out at KDKA.com, the Steelers under director of football operations Kevin Colbert have been ``average to below average’’ after the first round since 2003.

Vukovcan has gone through every draft since 2003 and rated every player. The results are not pretty.

Here's his year-by-year, round-by-round analysis. -- Bob Smizik



2nd Round (1 good pick)

2009: No pick
2008: Limas Sweed (Awful)
2007: LaMarr Woodley (Great)
2006: No pick
2005: Bryant McFadden (Average)
2004: Ricardo Colclough (Awful)
2003: Alonzo Jackson (Awful)


3rd Round (2 good picks)

2009: Kraig Urbik (Undetermined, but can't be looking too impressive because they just drafted another guard)

Mike Wallace (Very good)
Keenan Lewis (undetermined)
2008: Bruce Davis (Disaster)
2007: Matt Spaeth (Below Average)
2006: Anthony Smith (Disaster)
Willie Reid (Awful)
2005: Trai Essex (Average to Below Average)
2004: Max Starks: (Very Good)
2003: No Pick

4th Round (2 good picks, 1 OK pick)

2009: No Pick
2008: Tony Hills (Disaster)
2007: Daniel Sepulveda (Average, but has he been worth a 4th round pick?)

2006: Willie Colon (Solid)
Orien Harris (Awful)
2005: Fred Gibson (Awful)
2004: No Pick
2003: Ike Taylor (Above Average)

5th Round (0 good picks, so far)

2009: Joe Burnett (undetermined)
Frank Summers (undetermined)
2008: Dennis Dixon (undetermined)
2007: Cam Stephenson (Cut)
2006: Omar Jacob (Cut)
Charles Davis (Cut)
2005: Rian Wallace (Bad)
2004: Nathaniel Adibi (Cut)
2003: Brian St. Pierre (Below average)

6th Round (1 good pick)

2009: Ra'Shon Harris (Undetermind)

2008 Mike Humpal (Cut)

Ryan Mundy (undermined)
2007: No pick
2006: Marvin Philip (Cut)
2005: Chris Kemoeatu (Above Average)
2004: Bo Lacy (Cut)
Matt Kranchick (Cut)
Drew Caylor (Cut)
2003: No Pick

AlleghanyAdams87
04-23-2010, 01:52 PM
Classified Starks as Very Good and Ike Taylor as above average...Awesome article.

Godfather
04-23-2010, 01:53 PM
Well, that explains our lack of success the past decade...oh wait.

AlleghanyAdams87
04-23-2010, 01:54 PM
And 8 starters off of a super bowl winning team have been picked after round one in the last 7 years, when you put it in perspective, that is pretty good

Youngstown Steeler
04-23-2010, 01:59 PM
So maybe we are one of the teams that will benefit from having round 2 the day after round one.

fansince'76
04-23-2010, 02:04 PM
You don’t need to be a football genius to spot first-round talent.

No, but some personnel evaluation acumen over and above the ability of the average armchair GMs who usually write these blogs is required to repeatedly find UDFA gems, something Colbert and company has done fairly consistently.

Dino 6 Rings
04-23-2010, 03:07 PM
2nd Round (1 good pick)

2009: No pick
2008: Limas Sweed (Pending Devlopment)
2007: LaMarr Woodley (Great)
2005: Bryant McFadden (Above Average, won the Colts game with back to back plays against Harrison)
2004: Ricardo Colclough (Pretty not Good)
2003: Alonzo Jackson (serviceable on Special Teams)

3rd Round (2 good picks)
2009: Kraig Urbik (Undetermined)
Mike Wallace (AWESOME)
Keenan Lewis (undetermined)
2008: Bruce Davis (Disaster)
2007: Matt Spaeth (Average)
2006: Anthony Smith (Average but a head case)
Willie Reid (Awful)
2005: Trai Essex (Average)
2004: Max Starks: (Very Good)

4th Round (2 good picks, 1 OK pick)
2009: No Pick
2008: Tony Hills (Disaster)
2007: Daniel Sepulveda (Average, but has he been worth a 4th round pick? Why not Moron? Its not like you get Probowlers every year in the 4th round)
2006: Willie Colon (Solid)
Orien Harris (Awful)
2005: Fred Gibson (Awful)
2004: No Pick
2003: Ike Taylor (GREAT Stone Hands but Great)

5th Round (0 good picks, so far)
6th Round, PRACTICE SQUAD GUYS FOR 99% of the League!!!

Prok
04-23-2010, 03:18 PM
I had been thinking that the mid to late round success in the draft would go a long way towards ensuring us as contenders imo.

It is very important for us to start hitting on more of these picks.

sbbound
04-23-2010, 03:38 PM
I'd like to see the same list for the 31 other teams in the league.. what a joke of an article.. the whole draft is a crapshoot.

polamalubeast
04-23-2010, 03:39 PM
Fire Colbert:coffee::toofunny::wink02:

WeegiesWarriors
04-23-2010, 03:42 PM
2008: Limas Sweed (Pending Devlopment)

:rofl:

wish in one hand and poop in the other and see which one fills up faster

nedsat
04-23-2010, 04:04 PM
I think Matt Spaeth is better than most give him credit for. You just dont get that much play time when you are behind the incredible hulk!.. err I mean Heath :D

Dino 6 Rings
04-23-2010, 04:14 PM
:rofl:

wish in one hand and poop in the other and see which one fills up faster

Right because Holmes was a huge "impact" player his Rookie year, as was Ward...and Randel El...and Plax...

Didn't Plax actually Spike the ball when the play was still live during his rookie year?

Right, so Sweed is a total bust after 2 seasons...my bad...I've never watched football before and have not watched players develop over time...I'm just shooting in the breeze here and assuming that in the his 3rd year Sweed will either perform or be cut, because historically, receivers excel in year three or get cut. But what do I know...I didn't watch Texas Football at all when Sweed was catching everything Young threw his way...right...I'm a total football idiot.

Preacher
04-23-2010, 04:18 PM
http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/bobsmizik/default.aspx

2nd Round (1 good pick)

2009: No pick
2008: Limas Sweed
2007: LaMarr Woodley (Superbowl winning Starter )
2006: No pick
2005: Bryant McFadden (Superbowl winning starter)
2004: Ricardo Colclough
2003: Alonzo Jackson


3rd Round (2 good picks)

2009: Kraig Urbik

Mike Wallace
Keenan Lewis
2008: Bruce Davis
2007: Matt Spaeth
2006: Anthony Smith
Willie Reid
2005: Trai Essex
2004: Max Starks: 2x Superbowl winning starter
2003: No Pick

4th Round (2 good picks, 1 OK pick)

2009: No Pick
2008: Tony Hills
2007: Daniel Sepulveda Best punter this team has seen in probably almost a decade

2006: Willie Colon (Superbowl winning starter)
Orien Harris
2005: Fred Gibson
2004: No Pick
2003: Ike Taylor (Two time SB winning starter)

5th Round (0 good picks, so far)

2009: Joe Burnett (undetermined)
Frank Summers (undetermined)
2008: Dennis Dixon (undetermined)
2007: Cam Stephenson (Cut)
2006: Omar Jacob (Cut)
Charles Davis (Cut)
2005: Rian Wallace (Bad)
2004: Nathaniel Adibi (Cut)
2003: Brian St. Pierre (Below average)

6th Round (1 good pick)

2009: Ra'Shon Harris (Undetermind)

2008 Mike Humpal (Cut)

Ryan Mundy (undermined)
2007: No pick
2006: Marvin Philip (Cut)
2005: Chris Kemoeatu Superbowl winning Starter
2004: Bo Lacy (Cut)
Matt Kranchick (Cut)
Drew Caylor (Cut)
2003: No Pick


So let's see, there are a total of 8 SB rings between 6 STARTERS over the last 6 years.

Oh, I don't know, but I would say that was pretty good drafting. All things considered.

LVSteelersfan
04-23-2010, 04:32 PM
What a load of crap. People still bagging on Sweed when he has not had enough chances to show us what he really has. I still think he will be at least serviceable and possibly very good. I agree with the person who said lets look at the other 31 teams the same way. They will show up no better than the Steelers did guaranteed because there are not that many "great" players to choose from. And some of the problem is because the coaching is weak at best. I still can't believe the Steelers still have some of the coaching staff that they have.

AllD
04-23-2010, 04:40 PM
Either we should trade our low picks for one more first rounder or use a dart board after the first?

ricardisimo
04-23-2010, 04:55 PM
Colbert's real genius seems to be acquiring free agent talent after the draft. Is there a way for him to trade out of the last six rounds every year, and go straight to the undrafted free agent signings? :thumbsup:

Psyychoward86
04-23-2010, 05:11 PM
2004: Max Starks: (Very Good)


:rofl:

steelerchad
04-23-2010, 06:15 PM
I actually don't think it's that terrible. The Steelers don't really have that many roster spots open from year to year. They are a steady, solid team so they almost never have a clean house type, youth movement. In addition, they've been maybe the best with their first rounders and that's where it counts. You can't afford to miss your first rounders. Here they are, just from memory.

09- Ziggy (potential)
08- Mendy (looked good last year)
07- Timmons (solid, hoping for a breakout year)
06- Santonio (good while he was here)
05- Heath (top 5 at his position)
04- Ben (No other QB I'd want on the field)
03- Troy (HOFer)

We don't win 2 SB's in the last 5 years without these guys. Especially 03 and 04.

jjpro11
04-23-2010, 06:15 PM
I'd like to see the same list for the 31 other teams in the league.. what a joke of an article.. the whole draft is a crapshoot.

exactly what i was thinking. i am sure the majority of the league's picks look about the same, and in most cases probably worst.

billybob49
04-23-2010, 06:37 PM
Considering our draft order , i would say we have done pretty well . Have to do what you think is best for the team . Sometimes you have to mull over what is left when it is your turn to pick . The price you pay for being winners .