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SteelKnight
04-25-2010, 02:55 AM
Not the rookie free agents ...but the veteran free agents. We usually redo te contracts of those we are interested in one year before it expires to avoid having them hit the open market.

Next year should be pretty easy but brace yourself because 2012 has many many stars that come up. In fact I think the steelers should break that 1 year rule and use the non-salary cap year to include one time payments like bonuses to sign some of our 2012 free agents so the deam doesn't get totally destroyed.

Here goes 2011:

Dennis Dixon 24 2011 (RFA)
Mewelde Moore 28 2011
Matt Spaeth 24 2011
Willie Colon 26 2011
Trai Essex 26 2011
Tony Hills 24 2011
Chris Hoke 33 2011
LaMarr Woodley 24 2011
Andre Frazier 27 2011
Keyaron Fox 27 2011
Ike Taylor 29 2011
William Gay 24 2011
Jeff Reed 30 2011
Daniel Sepulveda 25 2011

Thanks to Walter Football
http://walterfootball.com/freeagentscontractspit.php

Share your thoughts. Mine will be in a separate post.

steelreserve
04-25-2010, 03:09 AM
Basically, we need to re-sign Woodley. Yawn. We can handle that.

The rest are completely optional, although Reed, Colon and Taylor are in the "nice to keep if you could" category. The number of CBs we've obtained in the last 2 years tells me we're not going to break the bank for Taylor; either he sticks around near present value or we're fine letting him go. Reed is an idiot because he's demanding a contract for $4.1M a year and the franchise tag only costs $2.4M. So we'll keep him as long as we want. Colon is probably the guy we're most likely to work out a long-term deal with. Fox would be nice to have around if he signs for backup money, and that's probably all he'll get. The rest I don't give a rat's ass about.

As far as 2012 ... don't worry about that. It's always scary to see how many veterans' contracts are up in two years, because it's three or four year extensions are about the max you usually see except for your superstar players, or guys you can cut a friendly deal with. At any give time, half your team's contracts will be expiring in two years. I'm not worried about that at all. Plus, isn't the world supposed to end?

SteelKnight
04-25-2010, 03:30 AM
OK

I only see two critical signings that I need to get done this summer:

1.Ike Taylor-We need him. Simple. He always covers the best receivers and does well despite few picks. Hopefully BMacs experience will make him appreciate the system (not fun playing without Troy) he is in and he will come at a reasonable price. If not, theis is an uncapped year and we should take advantage of giving a roster bonus which won't count against us in the future once caps start again.

2. LaMarr Woodley- The Steelers should resign him but I suspect if the price is too high, they will just try to hope Worilds or Gibson are ready. We've seen the Steelers lose tons of LB through the years and each time it seems the world is coming to an end and the Steelers do fine. Should I mention Lloyd, Green, Gildon, Scott, Porter, etc. I have every confidence that if the Steelers can't get a good deal, they will replace Woodley....but I do want him.

There are 2 that I would like to get done this summer but are not critical:

1.Jeff Reed- We can always franchise him again. I hope we can get something done but if we can't he is still a kicker. Try but ...we survived losing Gary Anderson...a great kicker...and we can survive losing Reed.

2.Mwelde Moore- moore is only 28 and he contributes well to our team. I'd like to get at least a 3 year or 4 year deal done. As good as he is, e is replacable so it is not critical.

There are several that I think we should wait and see on. These include:

1. Dennis Dixon 24 (RFA) -He's a restricted FA. We should see what we ave in him so we can make a decision. If there is nothing there, we can just let him go and continue to extend Leftwhich while we start grooming some other rookie project. If he is great, we should keep im and extend although I doubt he wants to be a career back up. If he is good though, we could extend and then trade him.

2.Matt Spaeth 24 -I do like Matt Spaeth but he is not critical. If he asks for too much, let him go. We have a chance to see how much he contributes to our team this year so we should definitely wait.

3. Willie Colon 26 -, Maybe he has a break through year with the new line coach. If not, let him test the market. If yes, he will cost us but it's worth waiting. We may not want him anymore if he can't improve. Can Foster and the two Scotts challenge him?

4.Trai Essex 26 - He has been versitile for us but we have to wait and see if he spends the year inactive ...that's if he makes the team. My guess is he finally gets let go.

Daniel Sepulveda 25 -He's a punter. If he has a good year extend. If not, cut him loose.

Players I think are pretty much done:

1. Tony Hills 24 -He may not make the team this year. If he can't win a starting job, let him go.

2. Chris Hoke 33 -Nice guy and competent ant replacing Hampton but he is aging. We should let him go and wait until after the draft. If we can find Hamptons replacement to groom great. If not, resign Hoke for a year and try to find Hampton's replacement the following year.

3. Andre Frazier 27 -who? He won't make it this year. We have no more room for STs who have no other potential.

4. Keyaron Fox 27 -He's a competent guy but if the Steelers don't think he is Farriors replacement, they need to let him go (he might get to start somewhere) and try to groom a young guy to replace Farrior. If Farrior loses his stuff early, Foote can cover until we find that replacement. It's now or never Fox.

William Gay 24 -I sort of feel sorry for him. He was exposed. He started with the rock a bye baby but we will be saying rock a bye. They will only let him back to buy time for the younger ones to develop. I think he's gone next year...that's if he makes the team this year (I think he will).

SteelKnight
04-25-2010, 03:43 AM
Basically, we need to re-sign Woodley. Yawn. We can handle that.

The rest are completely optional, although Reed, Colon and Taylor are in the "nice to keep if you could" category. The number of CBs we've obtained in the last 2 years tells me we're not going to break the bank for Taylor; either he sticks around near present value or we're fine letting him go. Reed is an idiot because he's demanding a contract for $4.1M a year and the franchise tag only costs $2.4M. So we'll keep him as long as we want. Colon is probably the guy we're most likely to work out a long-term deal with. Fox would be nice to have around if he signs for backup money, and that's probably all he'll get. The rest I don't give a rat's ass about.

As far as 2012 ... don't worry about that. It's always scary to see how many veterans' contracts are up in two years, because it's three or four year extensions are about the max you usually see except for your superstar players, or guys you can cut a friendly deal with. At any give time, half your team's contracts will be expiring in two years. I'm not worried about that at all. Plus, isn't the world supposed to end?

Hi,

I think Taylor is the critical one. He always is one the best receiver. We need to pay him what he wants.

Woodley, as much as I hate to say it, can be replaced. The Steelers won't break the bank. They will just plug either Worilds or Gibson in (see my post above about other LBs we've lost).

The 2012, I guess you are right. I'd like to break the rule and resign at least Polamalu and Timmons. Then we can wait and review players like Wallace, Sweed, Smith, Burnett, Lewis, Urbik etc. The good news is that a bunch of them will be RFA. We should just lock down Troy and then we can deal with Timmons and the RFAs next year.

mikegrimey
04-25-2010, 12:11 PM
I'd like to keep Woodley too but wouldn't break the bank for him either.

We always seem to come up with a new beast at OLB to replace the old one.

SteelKnight
04-25-2010, 02:12 PM
I'd like to keep Woodley too but wouldn't break the bank for him either.

We always seem to come up with a new beast at OLB to replace the old one.

I agree. This is what I'm saying. I'm in my 30s and I panicked eac time we lost a famous LB in the past and every single time the Steelers did alrigt.

Each of those LBs could have finished their careers as a legend by staying and trying to retire a Steeler. Instead, tey all got some money, lost their greatness and will never enter the HOF. IDK. Maybe the Steelers would have eventually cut them because this is a business (look at Townsend).

Kevin Greene, Greg Lloyd, Jason Gildon, Chad Scott, Joey Porter, Hardy Nickerson, Levon Kirkland etc. We ALWAYS SURVIVE. So if we lose Woodley, Worilds will step right in.

Taylor on the other hand is amazingly underated. He will play even better with Troy back to help. I think he gets no credit because of no Picks. They should have him on the JUGG machine and have a QB work out with him throwing balls. If he could get 5 picks a year, he would make the probowl. We need to get him back. Even if you found 2 great replacements, you could always still use a shutdown nickel corner so unless you can find 3 corners to beat our number 1, you must sign him.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
04-25-2010, 02:28 PM
Woodley is a definant must. My hope is he gets a new contract this offseason.

Dixon will probably be tendered.

Taylor shouldn't be too hard to resign. He is always restructuring deals with us and I think he realizes he isn't going to break the bank by signing with anyone else.

My feeling is that Colon wants to get paid and will probably leave to someone who is willing to give him top RT money.

Fox, Essex, and Sep are not really high priority but it would be nice to get them back.

The other guys probably already have their backups in place or will be easily replaced.
* Hoke may be done because at some point we have to draft Hamps replacement and I would much
rather do it while we are getting production from Casey.
* Moore is probably an easier one to replace if we can't sign him cheap.
* Gay's replacements are already here
* Reed probably wants more than he's worth. See ya

As for Spaeth, Frazier and Hills, I'm not so sure they even make it past camp let alone until next season.

PhantomJB93
04-25-2010, 02:49 PM
Not the rookie free agents ...but the veteran free agents. We usually redo te contracts of those we are interested in one year before it expires to avoid having them hit the open market.

Next year should be pretty easy but brace yourself because 2012 has many many stars that come up. In fact I think the steelers should break that 1 year rule and use the non-salary cap year to include one time payments like bonuses to sign some of our 2012 free agents so the deam doesn't get totally destroyed.

Here goes 2011:

Dennis Dixon 24 2011 (RFA)
Mewelde Moore 28 2011
Matt Spaeth 24 2011
Willie Colon 26 2011
Trai Essex 26 2011
Tony Hills 24 2011
Chris Hoke 33 2011
LaMarr Woodley 24 2011
Andre Frazier 27 2011
Keyaron Fox 27 2011
Ike Taylor 29 2011
William Gay 24 2011
Jeff Reed 30 2011
Daniel Sepulveda 25 2011

Thanks to Walter Football
http://walterfootball.com/freeagentscontractspit.php

Share your thoughts. Mine will be in a separate post.

These are the guys I think we need to make a priority to resign. I think if we start Dixon the first 6 games this year and he plays extraordinarily well, franchise him and trade him to another team. I wouldn't mind trading Colon either as long as we select another tackle early in the draft or acquire a good one via trade.

solardave
04-25-2010, 03:10 PM
Woodley will not make it to free agency so not to worry. Sign Ike cheap (not gonna happen) so we replace him in the draft I guess or with a FA. After last year I'm no longer an Ike fan. It all depends on if Dixon fills in for Ben and how well he does. I think if he does well we need to keep him. As much as we've heard about Ben's woes if he loses the civil suit he may miss the 2011 season.( and probably be gone) In that case we need Dixon too. Just my opinion,I could be wrong.

Psyychoward86
04-25-2010, 05:12 PM
LaMarr Woodley
Ike Taylor
Jeff Reed
Willie Colon
Keyaron Fox
Chris Hoke
Dennis Dixon
Mewelde Moore
Daniel Sepulveda


In order of most to least important, here's who i think we need/want back the most. I cut out the kids i hate.

Set-Man
04-25-2010, 08:33 PM
I think this draft shows that they are a bit skeptical if Woodley will sign next year (3 OLBs). I think the two most critical ones to sign are Woodley and Ike. Dixon and Colon need to be kept also. I always thought Colon would be moved to guard but now we have a ton of them. Dixon is more important than we are willing to admit. Leftwich is a 6 game solution but the statue won't take us anywhere.

SteelKnight
04-25-2010, 11:08 PM
These are the guys I think we need to make a priority to resign. I think if we start Dixon the first 6 games this year and he plays extraordinarily well, franchise him and trade him to another team. I wouldn't mind trading Colon either as long as we select another tackle early in the draft or acquire a good one via trade.

We can't franchise Dixon because it would cost 14-15 million. Fortunately he will be a RFA so all we have to do is put a 1st round tender on him. I doubt they will choose the first and third option. If he had gone this year, these would be the amounts.

TENDERS FOR RFAs WITH 3 YEARS EXPERIENCE:
Original draft pick compensation (based on what round the player was selected): $1,101,000
Second-round tender: $1,684,000
First-round tender: $2,396,000
First- and third-round tender: $3,043,000

The original draft pick option would only net us a 5th rounder. My guess is the Steelers would put a first round tender on him if he turns out to be good.

As for Colon, I doubt we will be able to trade him. We must either extend his contract, franchise him or let him go.

SteelKnight
04-25-2010, 11:26 PM
I think this draft shows that they are a bit skeptical if Woodley will sign next year (3 OLBs). I think the two most critical ones to sign are Woodley and Ike. Dixon and Colon need to be kept also. I always thought Colon would be moved to guard but now we have a ton of them. Dixon is more important than we are willing to admit. Leftwich is a 6 game solution but the statue won't take us anywhere.

Football is an ugly business. It is almost impossible to retire as a LB with the Steelers because they like them young and fast and they don't want to break the bank. Harrison may be the first to do it in the modern era (after FA) but I wouldn't guarentee it. I wouldn't be shocked if the Steelers release him in 2 years if his productivity falls.

That said, if Woodley is reasonable, they will bring him back. If not, they will just replace him with Worilds. Notice they said they haven't decided on whether to train him for Left or right? lol If they can't sign Woodley early in the summer, watch them train him for Left OLB. If they do, watch him get placed at R OLB.

I won't panic. Like I said, the Steelers always replace their LBs without problems.

My bet is that Harrison and Woodley won't retire Steelers. We'll milk and then release. Hopefully Woodley gets one more contract though.

7willBheaven
04-25-2010, 11:36 PM
I think this draft shows that they are a bit skeptical if Woodley will sign next year (3 OLBs). I think the two most critical ones to sign are Woodley and Ike. Dixon and Colon need to be kept also. I always thought Colon would be moved to guard but now we have a ton of them. Dixon is more important than we are willing to admit. Leftwich is a 6 game solution but the statue won't take us anywhere.

Actually they only took 2 OLBs....Sylvester will be an ILB in the Steelers system.

SteelKnight
04-25-2010, 11:38 PM
I would keep Woodley if it meant letting Ike go

I don't think you mean that. Ike has covered Randy Moss, Ochocinco, Fitz. Reggie Wayne, Braylon Edwards, Plax, Andre Johnson and TO. He will be the one we call on to cover Calvin Johnson and Santonio this year.

Ike is way more valuable. Woodley can be replaced. Even if Worilds can't do it, they could move Timmons out to LOLB and put Foote back in and survive. Fox did decently inside too.

They just drafted 3 OLBs.

We can't let Ike go. He will look good again with Troy back. Last year may have allowed us to get a good deal on im.

Ike X5 over Woodley.

SteelKnight
04-25-2010, 11:39 PM
Actually they only took 2 OLBs....Sylvester will be an ILB in the Steelers system.

Maybe...we are hoping but we haven't gotten any conformation on that yet...uless I am wrong...please share the source.

7willBheaven
04-25-2010, 11:40 PM
Dennis Dixon 24 2011 (RFA) - Re-sign
Mewelde Moore 28 2011 - Re-sign

Matt Spaeth 24 2011 - I dont hate him as much as some...but if we have others just as good then i'm fine with him leaving. He's more of a receiving TE compared to blocking...plus the #2 TE dont get many balls thrown his way...he COULD be a great TE in the right system (TEs do more catching that blocking).

Willie Colon 26 2011 - Dont care really
Trai Essex 26 2011 - Would like to keep him..as he is very versatile and has been good for us.

Tony Hills 24 2011 - could be gone this yr
Chris Hoke 33 2011 - Wont be back especially if we draft Caseys replacement next yr as i suspect.

LaMarr Woodley 24 2011 - Re-sign
Andre Frazier 27 2011 - probably gone this yr
Keyaron Fox 27 2011 - Re-sign - great ILB depth and solid STer
Ike Taylor 29 2011 - Re-sign
William Gay 24 2011 - torn here...most will want him gone...i say depends how last yrs CB picks are coming along.

Jeff Reed 30 2011 - Re-sign (unless we find a solid replacement)
Daniel Sepulveda 25 2011 - Re-sign

7willBheaven
04-25-2010, 11:41 PM
Maybe...we are hoping but we haven't gotten any conformation on that yet...uless I am wrong...please share the source.

K. Butler the Steelers LB coach said he will be ILB...i think even Colbert may have said so also.

SteelKnight
04-25-2010, 11:45 PM
K. Butler the Steelers LB coach said he will be ILB...i think even Colbert may have said so also.

Cool. Thanks. It was what I was initially thinking when I saw that we drafted him since he wasn't a DE.

That means he is going to practice squad because Fox is pretty good and they won't keep 5 ILBs. Keep in mind last years team had 3. I think they will keep 4.

SteelKnight
04-25-2010, 11:52 PM
Matt Spaeth 24 2011 - I dont hate him as much as some...but if we have others just as good then i'm fine with him leaving. He's more of a receiving TE compared to blocking...plus the #2 TE dont get many balls thrown his way...he COULD be a great TE in the right system (TEs do more catching that blocking).



I've always defended him but now that I think of it, he is kind of boring if he is going to be a receiving TE. I prefer to let him go and try to pick of a powerful big receiving TE like Eric Green (like the Grishem the Bengals just got). The other 2 TE projects are more of H-back/Fullback projects (Johnson and McHugh). Heath is great but if we can, let's start developing a more scary force behind him.

7willBheaven
04-25-2010, 11:53 PM
Cool. Thanks. It was what I was initially thinking when I saw that we drafted him since he wasn't a DE.

That means he is going to practice squad because Fox is pretty good and they won't keep 5 ILBs. Keep in mind last years team had 3. I think they will keep 4.

Of course...unless he somehow/someway outshines Fox...which i doubt...I think he'd be safe on the PS...he may only have to last there 1 yr...depending how much Farrior declines and/or if they re-sign Fox after this yr.

SteelKnight
04-26-2010, 12:00 AM
I think it would be nice to use the uncapped year to take care of Troy and Timmons. It is legal. As long as we just go over by 10-15 million, nobody will care. Watch the Jets do it. Timmons agent is Drew Rosenhaus.

SteelKnight
04-26-2010, 12:06 AM
Of course...unless he somehow/someway outshines Fox...which i doubt...I think he'd be safe on the PS...he may only have to last there 1 yr...depending how much Farrior declines and/or if they re-sign Fox after this yr.

I kinda like Fox. I think he could start somewhere. There must be something we don't know (weakness). He seems competent to me.

I think people forget that most teams only have 7 picks and only 4 or so make the 53m team. We had 10 picks...maybe 5 will make it. The rest will go to te PS. I already know the first 3 and Dwyer are locks so maybe 1 more of the others...maybe none. They can't afford to put Sanders on the PS. He'll be picked up. They'd look stupid wasting their 3rd round pick. It just won't happen.

I will say that if they can outperform Battle and Allen on ST, there could be more because those 2 were acquired for ST. I believe all the dead weight ST will be cut (Fraizer, Baily, Woods, Arnold Harrison, Madison ...bye)

7willBheaven
04-26-2010, 12:42 AM
I kinda like Fox. I think he could start somewhere. There must be something we don't know (weakness). He seems competent to me.

I think people forget that most teams only have 7 picks and only 4 or so make the 53m team. We had 10 picks...maybe 5 will make it. The rest will go to te PS. I already know the first 3 and Dwyer are locks so maybe 1 more of the others...maybe none. They can't afford to put Sanders on the PS. He'll be picked up. They'd look stupid wasting their 3rd round pick. It just won't happen.

I will say that if they can outperform Battle and Allen on ST, there could be more because those 2 were acquired for ST. I believe all the dead weight ST will be cut (Fraizer, Baily, Woods, Arnold Harrison, Madison ...bye)

I too like Fox and would rather not loose him either, he has been a solid pickup for us, and he seems to like it here too, I wouldnt mind keeping him around..as he is still young too...it all depends on Farrior...(as far as the Fox vs. Sylvestor stuff)...if Farrior plays the 2011 season and Sylvestor made it on the PS all of the 2010 season...then he can go right back there for the 2011 season and probably make the team for the 2012 season....or if this is Farriors last yr...then he will make it next yr.

Woods and Harrison (esp him) havent been on the team in a long time. Frazier and Bailey are pretty much out because we drafted Worilds and Gibson. Madison is the only 1 of the bunch that MIGHT stay...or at least if hes cut he'll could be brought back quicker than the rest if someone goes down/etc.

SteelKnight
04-26-2010, 01:03 AM
Woods and Harrison (esp him) havent been on the team in a long time. Frazier and Bailey are pretty much out because we drafted Worilds and Gibson. Madison is the only 1 of the bunch that MIGHT stay...or at least if hes cut he'll could be brought back quicker than the rest if someone goes down/etc.

LOL See how useless and interchangable they are. Last I checked on those special teamers was last off season. A. Harrison had missed the year and we had won the Superbowl without him but he was still on the off season roster trying to make the team. Woods they were talking keeping since he had the skill to move to ILB. Sorry for my laziness to double check which of these losers are actually still on the team. They were all on the team of and on for years. Funny.(just checked Woods is on the Cowboys...lol)