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lamberts-lost-tooth
04-25-2010, 10:10 AM
I have hear alot of complaints about who...when...why... we drafted certain players. I addressed this in the prospect break down.....but thought a centralized post might be needed.

It should be noted that we all talked about getting into that 3-4 round range in which we saw a great deal of talent. I think that our FO did a pretty good job of that, giving us 5 prospects who fell within NFL.com's final grade for their top 100 players.

OC Maurkice Pouncey #19
WR Emmanuel Sanders #50
OLB Jason Worilds #73
RB Jonathan Dwyer #89
OLB Thaddeus Gibson #95

Now for a breakdown of our draft picks....


1) Maurkice Pouncey - Very Safe Pick. I had him graded out as a late 1st early 2nd rounder. His value was elavated a little due to a pretty serious lack of talent at the position this year. Could we have got him a few picks later by trading down? Probably. Will he be an upgrade at the position and play at a high level for the next several years? Definately. He can play Guard and Center and is one of the few interior lineman in this years draft that has the sand in his pants to stand up to bull rushers.

2) Jason Worilds - I keep hearing that Worilds has one of the fastest first steps in this draft. If he can make the transition from DE to OLB he could be a terror on blitz packages. He had 29.5 tackles for losses over the past two years. Video shows that this guy hits ballcarriers like a truck. We have NO DEPTH worth mentioning behind our starting OLB's and needed at least two draft picks to shore up the position immediately and also to plan for the future.

3) Emmanuel Sanders - Sanders didnt get a lot of love yesterday, but as I pointed out, he had climbed the draft boards and was ranked above WR's like Arrelious Benn on NFL.com. Sanders showed progression every year in college and topped off his senior year with a 98 catch 1,339 yard performance. He has ran a 4.40 forty and video highlights shows a reciever with ELITE leaping ability. This time next year we will all be talking about his tendancy to out-jump defenders. Look for him to see alot of time at slot reciever.

4) Thaddeus Gibson - Another DE who the Steelers hope can make the transition to OLB. Gibson worked out for the Steelers coaches earlier this year and they obviously like what they saw in him. If you check his highlights, watch his backpedal. For a player that played college DE, he has a very smooth backpedal and lowers his hips like a CB when dropping into coverage. Some draft sites had him ranked above Worilds

5) Chris Scott - This was a surprise pick for me. I had thought that Scott projected as an mauling OG in the NFL, but Steelers.com has him listed as an OT. He has played every position on the line while in college so he has a little versatility to add to his value. Scott will have to keep his weight in check and build some stamina but when fresh he looks like he locks on and controls defenders . Give Scott a year in an NFL weight/strength program and he might be a steal.

5) Bryant McFadden - You have to add his value to this draft. Not only do we get a veteran CB...but one who already knows the playbook and the tendancies of our players in the backfield.

5) Crezdon Butler - Strickly a project player in the mold of Ike Taylor, good Size/Speed ratio but will need to be coached-up in regards to reading offenses and improving his tackling technique. I wasnt crazy about this pick at all...but I understand the "project" mentality.

5) Stevenson Sylvester - Player who will probably make his mark on special teams initially but may have the range, closing speed and instincts to play both ILB/OLB if he can become more of a wrap up tackler. We really dont need an ILB this year with Foote and Fox both being very good bakups, but if this is Farriors last year, I think Sylvester will eventually become the #4 ILB. He might spend this year on the PS or ST's

6) Jonathan Dwyer -One of the biggest steals of the draft, NFL.com ranked him as the #89 best player and thought he might be gone in the 2nd round. A slow forty time initiated his slide, but Dwyer is a thick bodied, tackle-breaking power back who shows great forward lean and has a very good stiff arm. He is built to run over you...not around you.

6) Antonio Brown - I have heard alot of complaints about us drafting ANOTHER reciever. Well......Brown had 3,434 yards and five touchdowns returning kicks and punts over the past three years. I think its obvious why we drafted him. It also doesnt hurt that he runs a 4.42 forty and he had 1,198 yards and 9 TD's last year as a reciever, which makes him more versatile and valuable than Logan as a return specialist.

7) Doug Worthington - Linebackers coach, Keith Butler, was at Worthingtons Pro-day workout and was obviously impressed by the DE's athleticism. Ohio State never really allowed Worthington the time at any one position to stand out and they played him all over the D-line...even as a NT. He is a try-hard player that might light a fire under Sonny Harris, who could be on the outside looking in if Worthington makes the squad.


That is my take on the prospects...last night I watched them on video and tried to get a feel for where they fit on our team. My humble opinion is that our FO did pretty well.

Texasteel
04-25-2010, 10:28 AM
You not alone LLT. I was pretty pleased with the way the draft went, and was a little surprise at some of the comments I have been hearing.

devilsdancefloor
04-25-2010, 11:38 AM
i was a bit shocked we didnt take a ILB, but hearing Sylvester might be able to slide inside is a good thing. I was a litle shocked at our draft after 1st rd pick, but i trust the FO. :tt03::tt03: I do like the get time on ST while learning your position. That means alot of guys who are ST only wil be gone unless they can prove worthy at their position.

Steel Glory
04-25-2010, 11:38 AM
After I got through the initial knee-jerk reaction and actually looked at the picks I think they did a pretty good job. The only pick I didn't really like was the Sylvester pick. Would have rather seen a safety there. Myron Rolle, Cody Grimm, Kurt Coleman: all those safeties were still available when we picked up Sylvester.

But now our backup linebackers aren't Patrick Bailey and Timmons. And we have good special teamers.

cloppbeast
04-25-2010, 11:58 AM
3) Emmanuel Sanders - Sanders didnt get a lot of love yesterday, but as I pointed out, he had climbed the draft boards and was ranked above WR's like Arrelious Benn on NFL.com. Sanders showed progression every year in college and topped off his senior year with a 98 catch 1,339 yard performance. He has ran a 4.40 forty and video highlights shows a reciever with ELITE leaping ability. This time next year we will all be talking about his tendancy to out-jump defenders. Look for him to see alot of time at slot reciever.

Sanders, IMO, was one of their best picks. He really reminds me of Steve Smith. Not the biggest buy, but superior athletic ability. Many people have been complaining that we didn't take Tate, and even though I hadn't heard of Emmanuel before, I think he has far more upside due to his superior physical tools. His immediate impact in the return game means we can probably drop Logan so he can no longer waste a roster spot.

AllD
04-25-2010, 12:00 PM
I think the draft indicates our desire to rush the passer.

BKAnthem
04-25-2010, 12:00 PM
Well....last years draft i had complaints about the O line we took 2 corners instead, there was all this talk about passing team now blah, blah and it took the owner of the Steelers to say we need better line play and run the ball more for people to start talking about Olineman in this draft.... i may not be an NFL gm but that doesn't mean i have to swallow and co-sign everything they put out either i believe that's my right as a fan and an American....i still think we could have addressed DB early and still gotten these same LB's, and at least one of the wideouts Even though we picked up Mcfadden, because as we saw before the Steelers aren't going to pay him when his contract expires, anD he's making more now than when he left the first time.......i don't like this draft

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-25-2010, 12:21 PM
Well....last years draft i had complaints about the O line we took 2 corners instead, there was all this talk about passing team now blah, blah and it took the owner of the Steelers to say we need better line play and run the ball more for people to start talking about Olineman in this draft.... i may not be an NFL gm but that doesn't mean i have to swallow and co-sign everything they put out either i believe that's my right as a fan and an American....i still think we could have addressed DB early and still gotten these same LB's, and at least one of the wideouts Even though we picked up Mcfadden, because as we saw before the Steelers aren't going to pay him when his contract expires, anD he's making more now than when he left the first time.......i don't like this draft

The McFadden pickup allows us to develop Keenan Lewis....and eliminated the need for a DB. I will have to check to make sure, but I am pretty confident that Hartwig has allowed more sacks then anyone else on our front line over the past two years...so Pouncy would be the FO answer to that.

Noone is asking you to sign off on anything....We would just like for everyone to look at the draft in light of the FA acquisitions and the talent level that this draft brought to the team.

This was a draft for the future...and I can see 7 "potential" future starters (counting Brown as a RS)

tony hipchest
04-25-2010, 02:07 PM
gil brandt had pouncy ranked top 20. worilds top 60. gibson top 80. kirwan had all three going in the top 3 rounds in his final mock.

the best thing that has happened with this draft, our few FA aquisitions, and the ex-steelers we brought back is it CREATES COMPETITION across the board. we have not had that in steelers camp in years (especially after the 2 SB championships). the rosters were pretty much set. the veterans rested on their laurels and the young guys and rookies already knew they didnt have a shot to win a spot due to past success and tenure.

this was especially true during cowhers tenure. theres a reason almost all of our back up O-Linemen always seemed to suck and never develop. they never had a shot to compete with smith, faneca, hartings, simmons, etc. okobi, essex, kemo, almost rotted on the bench. we dumped many more. when starks actually faced an open competition from colon at RT he actually lost his job. that was the first time that happened in years.

everybody is on notice this year, starting with santonio and ben. everybody should be looking over their shoulder (including the coaches) with exception of lebeau, troy, hampton, and miller. james and woodley are fine, but we finally got them some quality back-ups incase we face the same dreaded situation as last year when 2 defensive stalwarts were lost for the season.

i heard a veteran redskin interview a few weeks ago, and he was asked the best and most impressive thing about mike shanahan. he said there was finally competition across the board and what a great thing that was. i imagine all players feel like this. i immediately realized that was a big problem with the steelers where the majority of players are so solidified in their jobs, things become stale.

it is getting better with tomlin and this years draft is proof.

7willBheaven
04-25-2010, 03:10 PM
Well....last years draft i had complaints about the O line we took 2 corners instead, there was all this talk about passing team now blah, blah and it took the owner of the Steelers to say we need better line play and run the ball more for people to start talking about Olineman in this draft.... i may not be an NFL gm but that doesn't mean i have to swallow and co-sign everything they put out either i believe that's my right as a fan and an American....i still think we could have addressed DB early and still gotten these same LB's, and at least one of the wideouts Even though we picked up Mcfadden, because as we saw before the Steelers aren't going to pay him when his contract expires, anD he's making more now than when he left the first time.......i don't like this draft


Just my thoughts on the BMac contract/not paying him/etc comment. We did make offers to him before...but we could only offer soo much...with other players needing re-signed and the cap in place...HE chose to go where the money was...and he thought he could fit into their system. Well he didnt fit to well into theirs...even though they are "Steelers West"...and the Cards have some other young guys and were willing to give up BMac...and made it possible for them to get a good young QB prospect in the process. As part of the BMac deal...they wanted to have a contract extension in place or they wouldnt do the deal...they signed him to a 3 year extension...so he's already resigned. If it was an uncapped year when he left...we could have easily signed him up to a front loaded contract (as we've done with all of our FA signings this year) and kept him around. Now that he's re-signed and has seen the grass isnt always greener on the other side...i think he's here to stay...if they want to offer him a new deal 4 years from now...who knows what the situation will be then...but he's not going anywhere anytime soon again!

xXTheSteelKingsXx
04-25-2010, 03:41 PM
Nice post LLT. I wonder though if Brown is going to be able to knock off Logan this year. I'm still gunshy about starting a rookie at returner after the Reid/Holmes experiment their rookie season(although Logan was technically a rookie last season). If Browm can't earn a spot on the 53 man do you think he will be safe on our practce squad roster?

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-25-2010, 03:41 PM
the best thing that has happened with this draft, our few FA aquisitions, and the ex-steelers we brought back is it CREATES COMPETITION across the board. we have not had that in steelers camp in years

Great point Tony!!!!

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-25-2010, 03:46 PM
Nice post LLT. I wonder though if Brown is going to be able to knock off Logan this year. I'm still gunshy about starting a rookie at returner after the Reid/Holmes experiment their rookie season(although Logan was technically a rookie last season). If Browm can't earn a spot on the 53 man do you think he will be safe on our practce squad roster?

No, I dont. When you have a return specialist that also racked up over a thousand yards recieving and 9 TD's as a WR...I think his putting him on the PS might put us at risk of losing him.

I think he will be our returner next year. If not at both kickoff and punts ...then perhaps at one with Logan at the other.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
04-25-2010, 03:54 PM
No, I dont. When you have a return specialist that also racked up over a thousand yards recieving and 9 TD's as a WR...I think his putting him on the PS might put us at risk of losing him.

I think he will be our returner next year. If not at both kickoff and punts ...then perhaps at one with Logan at the other.

Do we carry six wideouts then?

Ward, Wallace, ARE, Sweed, Sanders and Brown.

I originally thought we would carry four tight ends(Miller, Spaeth, McHough and D. J.) but we probably cut Spaeth to make room. I prefer Johnson and McHough to him anyway.

Maybe just cut Sweed?

jollyrob68
04-25-2010, 04:23 PM
Do we carry six wideouts then?

Ward, Wallace, ARE, Sweed, Sanders and Brown.

I originally thought we would carry four tight ends(Miller, Spaeth, McHough and D. J.) but we probably cut Spaeth to make room. I prefer Johnson and McHough to him anyway.

Maybe just cut Sweed?

If Sweed plays well in preseason then they could get a decent draft pick for him. I think the cut McHough.

jollyrob68
04-25-2010, 04:24 PM
I like our draft picks.Some I had to youtube but liked them. I'm not sure about that corner when they could of taken A Safety or Donavan Warren or Anthony Dixon or Dorin Dickerson.

tony hipchest
04-25-2010, 04:40 PM
Great point Tony!!!!i cant stop thinking about this and really didnt see it as it was unfolding.

we have already gotten rid of parker and holmes, and must have scared the shit out of big ben. plus we dump carter and townsend (both who have been stady back up contributors). the likes of c. davis, a. madison and even l. foote, and b. mcfadden know we will let them go.

we brought in clarks replacement even before he signed with another team. gay, taylor, and even burnett and lewis all know their jobs may be up for grabs.

aaron smith and brett keisel have a strong 1st round rookie breathing down their necks. anyone think they will give up their long time jobs without a fight?

mendenhall probably realizes there is enough talent to take snaps away from him, and if he aint "on details" he knows how quickly he will see the bench. moore, frank, vincent and redman will all be fighting for a roster spot with our newest rookie rb.

wallace could be #1 in place of holmes or could be #3 like last year. sweed could be #1 or #2 as expected when he was drafter, or be off the roster altogether.

hines already fights every season with a chip on his shoulder as if he wont make the team and he is safe. but he has to be sure his replacement is already on the roster.

essex, urbick, and hartwig all had to be thinking WTF when a 1st round pick was selected for their spots. will they just roll over? we will be fine, if not better if they do.

even colon and starks see 2 new guys (one happens to be one of their new coach's guy) to compete. starks already knows how easy it is to lose a starting spot. colon know that some hard work from a darkhorse can win one.

every recent fb/hb/te project can count. we have to many and someones gotta go.

every scrub who was whiffing on special teams needs to be concerned and looking over their shoulder. logan was second in the league in return yardage last year (2000+) but him and league leader ted ginn jr. should both know that doesnt mean job security.

from my calculations only a few can feel safe-

troy and miller. these guys are perfect and can do no wrong (except age or get injured).

casey and hoke. you simply dont replace hampton. he either laughs at or eats any potential replacements for a snack. while not perfect, word is he is working as hard as ever after getting his extension. we paid hoke millions of dollars for a reason. he is THE replacement and doesnt need replacing himself, even if it would save big chunk of change.

kickers really dont play football. these 2 goofballs should probably feel safe (especially sep). reed should be getting the message.

we win a superbowl every time we replace our long snapper.

the only positions i really havent addressed is the OLB's. they are the grease that makes dick lebeaus wheels spin. they carry the utmost importance. so important that we spent 2nd and 4th round picks to back them up and have bullets in the chamber incase the unthinkable happens.

these guys are safe, but they already know. james will never be outworked and lose his job again. woodley Knows if you have the talent and hard work, how easy it is to send a capable, but aging veteran packing.

there will be no "camp cupcake" this year. everybody will be on pins and needles and have an edge. there will be fight and fire inside these guys and they will all have a chip on their shoulder. this is the huge intangible that will be the difference and push them over the edge in their preparation.

tomlin will be perfect to lead them, cause im sure he is approaching last season's meltdown and his contract situation, like he is fighting for his job as well.

i love how he is facing this adversity, and confident he will get a nice long extension, and 2010 will look like 2009 should have.

im fired up! :tt03: :helmet:

PittdaBurgh56
04-25-2010, 04:45 PM
Lambert you beat me to it. I was going to post a similar thread today at some point explaining why the picks were good and why steelers fans shouldn't be complaining on who was on the board at the time. You did i very good job of explaining to everyone the value of each pick.

McFadden was signed to a extension for 3 more years so it gives us time to develop lewis and Burnett like you said. Also I really think they could try one of those 2 esp lewis at the safety position and with McFadden it gives us time to do that.

Sylvester is said to be a ILB in the steelers defense according the Tomlin and Colbert. He's fast and gets the to ball carrier and hits hard.

And according to KFFL http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl we signed undrafted free agent Safety DaMon Cromartie-Smith, so if you would like lambert explain a little about this guy cause i have no info or knowledge of him.

taztroy43
04-25-2010, 05:35 PM
Lambert you beat me to it. I was going to post a similar thread today at some point explaining why the picks were good and why steelers fans shouldn't be complaining on who was on the board at the time. You did i very good job of explaining to everyone the value of each pick.

McFadden was signed to a extension for 3 more years so it gives us time to develop lewis and Burnett like you said. Also I really think they could try one of those 2 esp lewis at the safety position and with McFadden it gives us time to do that.

Sylvester is said to be a ILB in the steelers defense according the Tomlin and Colbert. He's fast and gets the to ball carrier and hits hard.

And according to KFFL http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl we signed undrafted free agent Safety DaMon Cromartie-Smith, so if you would like lambert explain a little about this guy cause i have no info or knowledge of him.

According to this source:
NFL | Cromartie-Smith works out at Pro Day
Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:54:32 -0500

Justin VanFulpen, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports University of Texas-El Paso S DaMon Cromartie-Smith measured in at his Pro Day with a height of 6-foot-1 1/4, 206 pounds. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.40 seconds and the three-cone drill in 7.13 seconds. He measured a 32-inch vertical jump, a 9-foot-9 broad jump and completed 20 repetitions on the 225-pound bench press.

He to me seems like a project but they might of brought him in to compete in ST right off the bat......

jollyrob68
04-25-2010, 05:40 PM
i cant stop thinking about this and really didnt see it as it was unfolding.

we have already gotten rid of parker and holmes, and must have scared the shit out of big ben. plus we dump carter and townsend (both who have been stady back up contributors). the likes of c. davis, a. madison and even l. foote, and b. mcfadden know we will let them go.

we brought in clarks replacement even before he signed with another team. gay, taylor, and even burnett and lewis all know their jobs may be up for grabs.

aaron smith and brett keisel have a strong 1st round rookie breathing down their necks. anyone think they will give up their long time jobs without a fight?

mendenhall probably realizes there is enough talent to take snaps away from him, and if he aint "on details" he knows how quickly he will see the bench. moore, frank, vincent and redman will all be fighting for a roster spot with our newest rookie rb.

wallace could be #1 in place of holmes or could be #3 like last year. sweed could be #1 or #2 as expected when he was drafter, or be off the roster altogether.

hines already fights every season with a chip on his shoulder as if he wont make the team and he is safe. but he has to be sure his replacement is already on the roster.

essex, urbick, and hartwig all had to be thinking WTF when a 1st round pick was selected for their spots. will they just roll over? we will be fine, if not better if they do.

even colon and starks see 2 new guys (one happens to be one of their new coach's guy) to compete. starks already knows how easy it is to lose a starting spot. colon know that some hard work from a darkhorse can win one.

every recent fb/hb/te project can count. we have to many and someones gotta go.

every scrub who was whiffing on special teams needs to be concerned and looking over their shoulder. logan was second in the league in return yardage last year (2000+) but him and league leader ted ginn jr. should both know that doesnt mean job security.

from my calculations only a few can feel safe-

troy and miller. these guys are perfect and can do no wrong (except age or get injured).

casey and hoke. you simply dont replace hampton. he either laughs at or eats any potential replacements for a snack. while not perfect, word is he is working as hard as ever after getting his extension. we paid hoke millions of dollars for a reason. he is THE replacement and doesnt need replacing himself, even if it would save big chunk of change.

kickers really dont play football. these 2 goofballs should probably feel safe (especially sep). reed should be getting the message.

we win a superbowl every time we replace our long snapper.

the only positions i really havent addressed is the OLB's. they are the grease that makes dick lebeaus wheels spin. they carry the utmost importance. so important that we spent 2nd and 4th round picks to back them up and have bullets in the chamber incase the unthinkable happens.

these guys are safe, but they already know. james will never be outworked and lose his job again. woodley Knows if you have the talent and hard work, how easy it is to send a capable, but aging veteran packing.

there will be no "camp cupcake" this year. everybody will be on pins and needles and have an edge. there will be fight and fire inside these guys and they will all have a chip on their shoulder. this is the huge intangible that will be the difference and push them over the edge in their preparation.

tomlin will be perfect to lead them, cause im sure he is approaching last season's meltdown and his contract situation, like he is fighting for his job as well.

i love how he is facing this adversity, and confident he will get a nice long extension, and 2010 will look like 2009 should have.

im fired up! :tt03: :helmet:
Agreed,I'm also Fired up!:tt03:
I just watched all the wrapup videos on steelers.com and I like what they are all saying. Ray Horton said it best that William Gay had the Ides(head swelled and thought he was the sh*t) and he's more humbled now. Keenan Lewis has a better understanding of The Steeler Scheme since the OTA's and Joe Burnett is where they want him to be as a second year player.
Keith Butler let the reporters know that hey we all know you guys wanted us to take a CB and that was out weakspot But the BPA was other positions or LB and thank god for that I'll take it all day.

VERY HAPPY WITH THIS DRAFT
After watching some Dwyer Highlights I noticed that he is better suited with a guy like Dixon at QB and I think were will be back on top this year.
Ben will get the help he needs and be back leading the team to the Super Bowl.:tt04:

Set-Man
04-25-2010, 09:42 PM
I personally liked the draft. I thought they would have went for Golden Tate in the second but they got another receiver in the third (Sanders). I was scratching my head at the Scott pick but the others were okay. Things are good.

steelymcmatt
04-25-2010, 10:03 PM
I have to wonder if the addition of Pouncey makes Hartwig expendable, or at the very least trade bait.....

MasterOfPuppets
04-25-2010, 10:50 PM
I have to wonder if the addition of Pouncey makes Hartwig expendable, or at the very least trade bait.....

not this year, but next year if there is one ...:applaudit:

Preacher
04-25-2010, 10:58 PM
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we win a superbowl every time we replace our long snapper.


:Jawdrop: THATS THE KEY??

Thanks... I'll call my bookie as soon as I hear! :chuckle:

tony hipchest
04-26-2010, 12:06 AM
:Jawdrop: THATS THE KEY??

Thanks... I'll call my bookie as soon as I hear! :chuckle:yes it is preacher...

just ask m. schneck (dumped for cheaper salary in 05) and g. warren (season ending injury in 08).

so while youre at it place a bet for me. :wink:

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-26-2010, 08:36 AM
Do we carry six wideouts then?

Ward, Wallace, ARE, Sweed, Sanders and Brown.

I originally thought we would carry four tight ends(Miller, Spaeth, McHough and D. J.) but we probably cut Spaeth to make room. I prefer Johnson and McHough to him anyway.

Maybe just cut Sweed?

I'm still thinking Sanders replaces Holmes....and Brown replaces Logan. I'm with you on Spaeth....Johnson and McHough can do everything he does and are both more versatile.

anthony43ross
04-26-2010, 08:56 AM
I was not completely on board in rd 2 and 3, but overall am very excited about going into this next season, hoping with some of our returning Steelers and draft choices our special teams can make things happen!

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-26-2010, 09:41 AM
Lambert you beat me to it. I was going to post a similar thread today at some point explaining why the picks were good and why steelers fans shouldn't be complaining on who was on the board at the time. You did i very good job of explaining to everyone the value of each pick.

McFadden was signed to a extension for 3 more years so it gives us time to develop lewis and Burnett like you said. Also I really think they could try one of those 2 esp lewis at the safety position and with McFadden it gives us time to do that.

Sylvester is said to be a ILB in the steelers defense according the Tomlin and Colbert. He's fast and gets the to ball carrier and hits hard.

And according to KFFL http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl we signed undrafted free agent Safety DaMon Cromartie-Smith, so if you would like lambert explain a little about this guy cause i have no info or knowledge of him.



Ciron Black OT/OG LSU ....Was expected to be drafted as a 4th-5th rounder so we got great value with as a UDFA. Played OLT for 4 years but most scouts have him projected as a OG or ORT. I actually like his potential more than Chris Scott's and I can foresee a scenerio in which Black makes the 53 man roster and pushes Scott to the practice squad.

Kyle Jolly OT North Carolina...at 6'6 308 lbs, Jolly projects as a possible OT for us. He graded out as the best O-lineman on North Carolinas team but I think he is a longshot to make the roster.

AJ Trump OT Miami....I keep seeing Trump listed as an OT, but he played Guard and Center for Miami last year. At 6'4 306 lbs he might have some trouble at OG so I have to wonder if they are looking at him as a future OC backup.

DaMon Cromartie-Smith S UTEP...great size at 6'2 206 lbs. He ran a 5.50 forty at his pro-day which surprised scouts because he plays much faster than that on the field. Suspect instincts for coverage but a human bullet on run support with 106 tackles this year and over 300 in his college career.

Cordarrow Thompson DE Virginia Tech...at 6'2 312, I'm not sure if we are looking at him as a DT or a DE. Nicknamed "Taco", which scares the hell out of me to have him on the field at the same time as Hampton.

devilsdancefloor
04-26-2010, 09:46 AM
Ciron Black OT/OG LSU ....Was expected to be drafted as a 4th-5th rounder so we got great value with as a UDFA. Played OLT for 4 years but most scouts have him projected as a OG or ORT. I actually like his potential more than Chris Scott's and I can foresee a scenerio in which Black makes the 53 man roster and pushes Scott to the practice squad.

Kyle Jolly OT North Carolina...at 6'6 308 lbs, Jolly projects as a possible OT for us. He graded out as the best O-lineman on North Carolinas team but I think he is a longshot to make the roster.

AJ Trump OT Miami....I keep seeing Trump listed as an OT, but he played Guard and Center for Miami last year. At 6'4 306 lbs he might have some trouble at OG so I have to wonder if they are looking at him as a future OC backup.

DaMon Cromartie-Smith S UTEP...great size at 6'2 206 lbs. He ran a 5.50 forty at his pro-day which surprised scouts because he plays much faster than that on the field. Suspect instincts for coverage but a human bullet on run support with 106 tackles this year and over 300 in his college career.

Cordarrow Thompson DE Virginia Tech...at 6'2 312, I'm not sure if we are looking at him as a DT or a DE. Nicknamed "Taco", which scares the hell out of me to have him on the field at the same time as Hampton.

i think he might be a project to replace big snack:noidea::noidea: All i know is all the all you can eat buffets are in trouble if big snack and taco come to through the door. bign snack hey taco this is how we train :P

wdsteel
04-26-2010, 11:14 AM
Steelers had inside info on SMU's Sanders

It's not as though the Steelers needed any more convincing about Emmanuel Sanders, a slippery wide receiver from Southern Methodist. In fact, not wanting to risk waiting until the fourth round to draft him, director of football operations Kevin Colbert and coach Mike Tomlin decided to take Sanders in the third round for fear of losing him to another team.

But, during the process of evaluating Sanders as a possible replacement for Santonio Holmes, the Steelers received a character reference and scouting report about the 5-foot-11, 180-pound receiver from an unlikely source. And he just happened to be next door in the same building.

Before he became the defensive coordinator at Pitt, Phil Bennett was the head coach at SMU and the man responsible for recruiting Sanders, who went on to become the school's all-time leader in receptions (235), receiving yards (3,791) and touchdown receptions (34).

When Sanders visited the Steelers' South Side facility for a pre-draft interview several weeks ago, he and his former head coach had lunch together in the team's cafeteria.

Now Bennett can visit with Sanders whenever he wants.

"I'm pretty proud of Emmanuel," Bennett was saying the other day, less than 24 hours after the Steelers selected Sanders with the 82nd pick in the National Football League draft. "He was gung-ho from the day he got on campus. He made everyone around him better. He loves to play the game of football. We used to call him 'Go-Go' because he never stops."

Bennett, who has been at Pitt since he was fired at SMU during the 2007 season, said Sanders reminds him of Steelers receiver Mike Wallace because they are both always smiling, both very personable.
The Steelers will settle for Sanders looking like Wallace, a third-round draft choice in 2009, on the football field.

All Wallace did his rookie season was catch 39 passes for 756 yards and six touchdowns. He was the second-fastest receiver in the draft and used his speed to get behind defenses, catching seven passes of 40 yards or longer, including four for touchdowns.

Sanders is not as fast as Wallace, but he was timed at 4.41 seconds in the 40-yard dash at the NFL combine and has what receivers coach Scottie Montgomery calls "quick to the tuck." That means Sanders starts upfield as soon as he catches the ball.

And he caught a lot of them last season -- a school-record 98 in the run-and-shoot-style offense used by SMU coach June Jones.

"He really came to the forefront," Colbert said. "We had evaluated him during the fall, but at the East-West [game], he really stood out among the wide receivers. The more work we did, the better we liked him, including when we had him here for a visit."

Bennett had a similar experience when he went to Bellville, Texas, to recruit Sanders, who was a first-team all-district selection at three positions -- quarterback, wide receiver and safety.

"You couldn't get anyone to say anything bad about Emmanuel -- principals, counselors, nobody," Bennett said. "They were all just emphatic about him."Sanders, though, did develop one blemish.

At SMU, he was suspended for the final two games of the 2008 season, leading some to believe he was a problem player. But Sanders said the suspension was because he was 15 minutes late twice to study hall and another time he was five minutes late to practice. They were minor infractions, but they added up to three strikes, which, under the penal system of Jones, who was in his first season at SMU, equated to a two-game suspension.

"My coach had implemented a three-strike policy, regardless of what you did," Sanders said. "It was three strikes and you got a two-game suspension."Sanders said the suspension changed his perspective. He worked harder, in the weight room and the classroom. And his coaches noticed.

Bennett noticed a similar reaction during Sanders' freshman season at SMU when he didn't get to play because he was being redshirted. He reacted positively to a negative challenge.

"He would get so mad at me," Bennett said. "He could have helped us as a freshman, but I had made up my mind he was going to be redshirted. He was only about 158 pounds and I had decided we were going to bite the bullet and get him stronger.

"Well, he'd get on that scout team and every day would be an adventure. Our coaches would say to me, 'Why aren't we playing him?'The Steelers hope they don't have to ask the same question

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10116/1053408-66.stm#ixzz0mDfZerMu

revefsreleets
04-26-2010, 11:27 AM
My only question, again, is....did we draft Worilds too quickly? Could we have traded down a bit and still had him while acquiring another pick in the early rds?

Other than that, I was very happy with our draft. We also must be stronger outside in on our OL than we know, since OT wasn't addressed at all (Scott being an OT project).

wdsteel
04-26-2010, 11:41 AM
My only question, again, is....did we draft Worilds too quickly? Could we have traded down a bit and still had him while acquiring another pick in the early rds?

Other than that, I was very happy with our draft. We also must be stronger outside in on our OL than we know, since OT wasn't addressed at all (Scott being an OT project).


with all the new 3-4 teams this year Worilds would not make it past 2nd..and never know if we did call 2 or 3 spots down but had no takers.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-26-2010, 11:56 AM
Redzone is saying that we signed Ciron Black....but Steelers.com doesnt have him listed.

I am trying to find a link that I read yesterday that stated that Black was going to wait until May to actaully sign a contract....anyone else see that?

revefsreleets
04-26-2010, 12:11 PM
It wasn't that long ago we were discussing him as a second day guy...interesting if we did acquire him.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-26-2010, 12:21 PM
It wasn't that long ago we were discussing him as a second day guy...interesting if we did acquire him.

Well......now redzone.org has removed him from their list. But NBC sports and ProFootballTalk are still saying we signed him.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/25/steelers-undrafted-free-agents/

murphythefatcat
04-26-2010, 12:21 PM
Thanks for the summary, LLT. On your comment on Pouncey potentially being available later in the first round, I hear down here in Atlanta that the Falcons were going to take him with the next pick if the Steelers didn't take him.

SteelMember
04-26-2010, 01:04 PM
Well......now redzone.org has removed him from their list. But NBC sports and ProFootballTalk are still saying we signed him.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/25/steelers-undrafted-free-agents/

This is the only official list I've seen so far. No Ciron Black here.

Steelers sign seven undrafted free agents (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_678215.html)
By Scott Brown, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, April 26, 2010
Last updated: 12:07 pm

The Steelers supplemented their 2010 draft class today with the signing of seven undrafted free agents today, including three offensive linemen and two safeties.

Signing with the Steelers were 6-6, 300-pound offensive tackle Kyle Jolly of North Carolina, 6-3, 300-pound center/guard A.J. Trump Miami (Fla.) and 6-2, 306 pound guard Dorrian Books of James Madison.

Da'Mon Cromartie, a 6-2, 210-pound safety from UTEP, and Justin Thornton, a 6-1, 213-pound safety from Kansas, also agreed to terms with the Steelers.

The Steelers also added a fullback and defensive tackle to their roster with the signings of 6-foot, 273-pound Demetrius Taylor and 6-2, 301-pound Cordarrow Thompson. Taylor and Thompson were teammates at Virginia Tech along with second-round draft pick Jason Worilds.

This is the same list as Steelers.com (http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Steelers-Add-Seven-Rookie-Free-Agents-/160b960c-740a-4257-a28b-17f8f98f59b7)

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-28-2010, 10:23 AM
I was looking through my draft magazines to check on the analysis of our prospects...and came across two interesting writeups.

Both are from USA Todays draft magazine and the articles are not on-line, so I will just copy them word for word and give the magazine the credit for them.

The High Five: Players That Will Provide Bang For The NFL Buck
Dennis Krusos
ProFootballDratNetwork.com

Antonio Brown WR, Central Michigan

Brown was a playmaker at wide reciever and on special teams for Central Michigan since his freshman season. He entered the 2010 NFL draft after catching 110 passes for 1,198 yards during his junior season. Brown puts points on the board and scored 31 touchdowns in his career, including 15 during the 1009 season. The All-Mac reciever is a versatile weapon who is dangerous recieving,running a reverse,or fielding a punt or kickoff. The two-time MAC Special Teams Player of the Year returned two punts and on kickoff for scores in 2009. He has a knack for finding the seam on a return. He then just has to make a couple of tacklers miss and it is a foot race.

The Central Michigan offense called for many bubble-screen passes and other short, safe throws to Brown. The idea was to get the ball into Brown's hands and let him run after the catch. This strategy proved seccessful, but Brown does have the speed to get downfield and run intermediate routes in the NFL. Brown has the potential to be a productive third reciever working out of the slot. He can also contribute early in his career as a punt and kickoff returner. His small frame (5'11 175 lbs) and the fact that he is quick rather than blazing fast, will hurt his draft stock. Brown would be a good pick in the fourth round.


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Sleeper Keepers
Cecil Lammay/Marc Faletti
DraftGuys.com

Doug Worthington DL, Ohio State

It will be hard for Worthington to crack the first three rounds, but he did his best to suggest otherwise at the East-West Shrine Game, where he was dominant in the pit against top offensive linemen. With a rip,swim, and bull rush, Worthington should work his way into almost any line rotation sooner than later.

steelerdave1969
05-01-2010, 08:05 AM
In 5 years we will know what or how this draft has done for our team. I like it on paper and have since we were done on saturday evening. I look forward to seeing how these guys do this season and seasons to come.

Steel Bill
05-01-2010, 02:38 PM
I have hear alot of complaints about who...when...why... we drafted certain players. I addressed this in the prospect break down.....but thought a centralized post might be needed.

It should be noted that we all talked about getting into that 3-4 round range in which we saw a great deal of talent. I think that our FO did a pretty good job of that, giving us 5 prospects who fell within NFL.com's final grade for their top 100 players.

OC Maurkice Pouncey #19
WR Emmanuel Sanders #50
OLB Jason Worilds #73
RB Jonathan Dwyer #89
OLB Thaddeus Gibson #95

Now for a breakdown of our draft picks....


1) Maurkice Pouncey - Very Safe Pick. I had him graded out as a late 1st early 2nd rounder. His value was elavated a little due to a pretty serious lack of talent at the position this year. Could we have got him a few picks later by trading down? Probably. Will he be an upgrade at the position and play at a high level for the next several years? Definately. He can play Guard and Center and is one of the few interior lineman in this years draft that has the sand in his pants to stand up to bull rushers.

2) Jason Worilds - I keep hearing that Worilds has one of the fastest first steps in this draft. If he can make the transition from DE to OLB he could be a terror on blitz packages. He had 29.5 tackles for losses over the past two years. Video shows that this guy hits ballcarriers like a truck. We have NO DEPTH worth mentioning behind our starting OLB's and needed at least two draft picks to shore up the position immediately and also to plan for the future.

3) Emmanuel Sanders - Sanders didnt get a lot of love yesterday, but as I pointed out, he had climbed the draft boards and was ranked above WR's like Arrelious Benn on NFL.com. Sanders showed progression every year in college and topped off his senior year with a 98 catch 1,339 yard performance. He has ran a 4.40 forty and video highlights shows a reciever with ELITE leaping ability. This time next year we will all be talking about his tendancy to out-jump defenders. Look for him to see alot of time at slot reciever.

4) Thaddeus Gibson - Another DE who the Steelers hope can make the transition to OLB. Gibson worked out for the Steelers coaches earlier this year and they obviously like what they saw in him. If you check his highlights, watch his backpedal. For a player that played college DE, he has a very smooth backpedal and lowers his hips like a CB when dropping into coverage. Some draft sites had him ranked above Worilds

5) Chris Scott - This was a surprise pick for me. I had thought that Scott projected as an mauling OG in the NFL, but Steelers.com has him listed as an OT. He has played every position on the line while in college so he has a little versatility to add to his value. Scott will have to keep his weight in check and build some stamina but when fresh he looks like he locks on and controls defenders . Give Scott a year in an NFL weight/strength program and he might be a steal.

5) Bryant McFadden - You have to add his value to this draft. Not only do we get a veteran CB...but one who already knows the playbook and the tendancies of our players in the backfield.

5) Crezdon Butler - Strickly a project player in the mold of Ike Taylor, good Size/Speed ratio but will need to be coached-up in regards to reading offenses and improving his tackling technique. I wasnt crazy about this pick at all...but I understand the "project" mentality.

5) Stevenson Sylvester - Player who will probably make his mark on special teams initially but may have the range, closing speed and instincts to play both ILB/OLB if he can become more of a wrap up tackler. We really dont need an ILB this year with Foote and Fox both being very good bakups, but if this is Farriors last year, I think Sylvester will eventually become the #4 ILB. He might spend this year on the PS or ST's

6) Jonathan Dwyer -One of the biggest steals of the draft, NFL.com ranked him as the #89 best player and thought he might be gone in the 2nd round. A slow forty time initiated his slide, but Dwyer is a thick bodied, tackle-breaking power back who shows great forward lean and has a very good stiff arm. He is built to run over you...not around you.

6) Antonio Brown - I have heard alot of complaints about us drafting ANOTHER reciever. Well......Brown had 3,434 yards and five touchdowns returning kicks and punts over the past three years. I think its obvious why we drafted him. It also doesnt hurt that he runs a 4.42 forty and he had 1,198 yards and 9 TD's last year as a reciever, which makes him more versatile and valuable than Logan as a return specialist.

7) Doug Worthington - Linebackers coach, Keith Butler, was at Worthingtons Pro-day workout and was obviously impressed by the DE's athleticism. Ohio State never really allowed Worthington the time at any one position to stand out and they played him all over the D-line...even as a NT. He is a try-hard player that might light a fire under Sonny Harris, who could be on the outside looking in if Worthington makes the squad.


That is my take on the prospects...last night I watched them on video and tried to get a feel for where they fit on our team. My humble opinion is that our FO did pretty well.

While some will defend this draft by looking through gold colored glasses, I'm afraid that a couple years from now we will ponder the question, what the hell were the Steelers thinking! This draft left a lot to be desired IMO, one of the most disappointing I can remember. I can live with Pouncey, he's a stud player who feels a need. After that, it gets a little baffling. Worilds will not be an NFL starter in the next 3 years, he is far too undisciplined and inconsistent. He is not a 2nd round talent at this point. Better players were available. Sanders in the 3rd makes no sense when you look at the other talent we passed on. Sanders could have been had later, if they coveted him that much. McFadden has struggled in the NFL. He is not quick enough, lacks technique, and plays far too stiff. I like Sylvester in the 5th and Dwyer in the 6th, but overall, this draft class leaves a lot to be desired. We passed on a lot of good talent to take these guys, hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it!

jollyrob68
05-01-2010, 03:37 PM
While some will defend this draft by looking through gold colored glasses, I'm afraid that a couple years from now we will ponder the question, what the hell were the Steelers thinking! This draft left a lot to be desired IMO, one of the most disappointing I can remember. I can live with Pouncey, he's a stud player who feels a need. After that, it gets a little baffling. Worilds will not be an NFL starter in the next 3 years, he is far too undisciplined and inconsistent. He is not a 2nd round talent at this point. Better players were available. Sanders in the 3rd makes no sense when you look at the other talent we passed on. Sanders could have been had later, if they coveted him that much. McFadden will struggle mightily in the NFL. He is not quick enough, lacks technique, and plays far too stiff. I like Sylvester in the 5th and Dwyer in the 6th, but overall, this draft class leaves a lot to be desired. We passed on a lot of good talent to take these guys, hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it!

McFadden was already a Starter on this team and did a great job until injured & shared time with Gay. I though we could of gotten other players also but after listening to them talk about the players I undestood why they took each one.
In RD 2 The Steelers(Colbert) wanted Sean Le but Tomlin love Worilds. They agreed with the addition of Foote OLB was a bigger need for Quality backup and thats why they took Worilds & Gibson.
The WR is because he go across the middle and takes off up field. They were glowing. They didn't want Golden Tate in the second because they said "he's tight in the hips like a RB playing WR which he is".
Dwyer is what they needed (they could of Taken DIXON) and Sylvester is a Blitzing LB thats going to be ILB. THe we picked up a Intercepting CB they liked and can develop and a DE worthington.

Very good draft, We picked up the WR because who nose if Hines makes it out of training camp with those Hamstring problems. I wouldn't be surprised if we picked up a 1yr vet before camp.IE TO or L.COLES

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-01-2010, 03:45 PM
While some will defend this draft by looking through gold colored glasses, I'm afraid that a couple years from now we will ponder the question, what the hell were the Steelers thinking! This draft left a lot to be desired IMO, one of the most disappointing I can remember. I can live with Pouncey, he's a stud player who feels a need. After that, it gets a little baffling. Worilds will not be an NFL starter in the next 3 years, he is far too undisciplined and inconsistent. He is not a 2nd round talent at this point. Better players were available. Sanders in the 3rd makes no sense when you look at the other talent we passed on. Sanders could have been had later, if they coveted him that much. McFadden will struggle mightily in the NFL. He is not quick enough, lacks technique, and plays far too stiff. I like Sylvester in the 5th and Dwyer in the 6th, but overall, this draft class leaves a lot to be desired. We passed on a lot of good talent to take these guys, hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it!

Appreciate the opinion...but simply having a different opinion does not make one wear "rose colored glasses".....most scouts had Pouncy, Worilds, Dwyer, & Gibson ranked in the top 100 players and some sites also had Sanders as a top 100 player.

All these players either came in for a work out for the Steelers, or the staff made a point to attend a pro-day workout to see them personally.

I remember last year thinking that our two worst picks were Wallace and Johnson....so I think I will give the scouts a benefit of a doubt this year.

El-Gonzo Jackson
05-02-2010, 09:47 AM
For the O line complainers (myself included) you need to accept that the Steelers just got their center of the future and a guy that will be the RT of the future (Scott) if Colon is not financially viable to sign.

Then, you also have to consider that the Steelers got 2 OLB projects that were much more solid than the 3rd round reach for Bruce Davis and a huge upgrade over Bailey, Arnold Harrison and Frazier. Then add the fact they got their power back in Dwyer, a CB like Bryant McFadden for a 5th round pick and I think it was a good draft.

Of course the only things we didnt see were a young NT, a SS backup or a real LT....but there is always next year.

Texasteel
05-02-2010, 03:07 PM
I've already started looking at LTs and NT for next year.

By the way, I liked the draft very much. No matter what colored glasses I'm using.

St33lersguy
05-02-2010, 03:43 PM
The steelers should have spent as much picks and time on addressing the needs at DB and DL as they did on backup/project OLB and 5th/ practice squad WRs. I am not sure how the steelers can say they addressed the DL when they used a meager 7th round draft pick on one when they had to do more

xXTheSteelKingsXx
05-02-2010, 04:52 PM
The steelers should have spent as much picks and time on addressing the needs at DB and DL as they did on backup/project OLB and 5th/ practice squad WRs. I am not sure how the steelers can say they addressed the DL when they used a meager 7th round draft pick on one when they had to do more

With Sweed possibly done for the season, maybe those 5th round practice squad recievers arn't looking so bad. Huh?

Galax Steeler
05-03-2010, 06:10 PM
With Sweed possibly done for the season, maybe those 5th round practice squad recievers arn't looking so bad. Huh?

They don't look bad and hopefully we can get a gem out of one of them.

tony hipchest
05-03-2010, 10:49 PM
2 rookie wr's w/ 600+ combined receptions in their college careers.

regardless of what round they were drafted in, its tough to overrate that type of production. :thumbsup:

we know they can catch.

devilsdancefloor
05-03-2010, 11:04 PM
The steelers should have spent as much picks and time on addressing the needs at DB and DL as they did on backup/project OLB and 5th/ practice squad WRs. I am not sure how the steelers can say they addressed the DL when they used a meager 7th round draft pick on one when they had to do more

i really think that they didnt pick up DB & DL because they pick 2 DB & DL last year and have faith in those 4 guys to perform when called upon

GBMelBlount
05-03-2010, 11:09 PM
I remember last year thinking that our two worst picks were Wallace and Johnson....so I think I will give the scouts a benefit of a doubt this year.

Good Point LLT. It's a crap shoot. Let's focus on the positive and see what happens...

Crazy El-Gonzo

For the O line complainers (myself included) you need to accept that the Steelers just got their center of the future and a guy that will be the RT of the future (Scott) if Colon is not financially viable to sign.

For this, I ( a perennial O-line complainer) am thankful.. :chuckle:

Crazier El-Gonzo

Then, you also have to consider that the Steelers got 2 OLB projects that were much more solid than the 3rd round reach for Bruce Davis and a huge upgrade over Bailey, Arnold Harrison and Frazier. Then add the fact they got their power back in Dwyer, a CB like Bryant McFadden for a 5th round pick and I think it was a good draft.

I admire the positive attitude El-Gonzo.....I feel the same way....as we all know it's a crap shoot, I guess we'll see. :tt03:

El-Gonzo Jackson
05-04-2010, 12:34 AM
I've already started looking at LTs and NT for next year.

. Who you got?? I know Barksdale is gonna be the popular pick, but I really like the looks of Nate Potter from Boise St. Only another 11 months or so until the draft. :tt04:

Aussie_steeler
05-04-2010, 07:31 AM
For me I am looking at:

1. OT / OG Matt Reynolds BYU- been on the draft radar for a while. He will be near the top come 2011

2. NT - Jerrell Powe Ole Miss - looked very good on film from 2010

3a. ILB - Don'ta Hightower Bama - Before he got injured he made Rolando McClain look average IMO

3b ILB - Alex Wujciak Maryland - MOP has been proclaiming this one for a while. I am keen to see more.

Some pretty obvious names there but you have to start somewhere. Looking ahead I would have to say starting positions again should be OK for 2011 so the draft will again be one for the future. For 2012 I would say NT, ILB and OT will be the main areas in need. ( just a guess)

My choice would be Hightower at this point in time. I personally though he was more explosive than McClain when I saw them playing side by side.

Texasteel
05-04-2010, 07:51 AM
Being a Big Ten fan, of course I'm going to watch Gabe Carimi.

I love Nate Potter, but would like him to gain about 10 lbs, and wonder if he may stay in school.

I watched Lee Zieba of Aub. last year when I thought he might leave school, and liked him very much. Just not sure about drafting an OT that has already had knee surgery.

Pinston our of Pitt. is worth watching

A locale kid, locale to here, is Marcus Cannon of TCU. 6'5" weighing in at nearly 350. Not fleet footed, but could make a heck of a RT for us. Would take out that hole side of the DL. I'm wanting to see him in pass protection a little more to make sure he can at least hold his own. Might give him a look if you find a TCU game.

So much to do in just 11 months. We got to get started guys.

Texasteel
05-04-2010, 07:54 AM
For me I am looking at:

1. OT / OG Matt Reynolds BYU- been on the draft radar for a while. He will be near the top come 2011

2. NT - Jerrell Powe Ole Miss - looked very good on film from 2010

3a. ILB - Don'ta Hightower Bama - Before he got injured he made Rolando McClain look average IMO

3b ILB - Alex Wujciak Maryland - MOP has been proclaiming this one for a while. I am keen to see more.

Some pretty obvious names there but you have to start somewhere. Looking ahead I would have to say starting positions again should be OK for 2011 so the draft will again be one for the future. For 2012 I would say NT, ILB and OT will be the main areas in need. ( just a guess)

My choice would be Hightower at this point in time. I personally though he was more explosive than McClain when I saw them playing side by side.


Just not that excited about the 2011 NTs right now Aussie, but Powe I do like and think he could be the class of the class.

Aussie_steeler
05-04-2010, 08:02 AM
Just not that excited about the 2011 NTs right now Aussie, but Powe I do like and think he could be the class of the class.

Could be the 2011 version of Peria Jerry. He will steadily climb the boards if he keeps a clean skin. He looks very stout and strong to me. It seems to be a slim class at the moment.

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-04-2010, 09:25 AM
Just not that excited about the 2011 NTs right now Aussie, but Powe I do like and think he could be the class of the class.

(Posted this in another thread...)



Jerrell Powe of Mississippi (6-2 340lbs) is the top ranked NT at this time but there are some character and learning disabilities that teams will have to take a good look at. He has a reading problem that might make it harder to absorb a play book and he has a past history of disorderly conduct and lieing to the police.

Phil Taylor from Baylor is a monster at 6-4 355 but was kicked off the Penn State team for off-field issues.

My favorite for the Steelers is Kendrick Ellis of Hampton. He is 6-5 340 lbs and he had 51 tackles with 15 tackles for loss last year.

Other possibilities are:
Anthony Gray of Southern Mississippi (6-0 314 lbs)
Lawon Scott of Mississippi (6-1 322 lbs)

and a sleeper of Harold Ayodele of Emporia State who is 6-1 338 lbs.


As far as OT's...

Gabe Carimi of Wisconsin is the pre-season favorite at 6-7 325.

Lee Ziemba of Auburn, Anthony Castonzo of Boston College, and Nate Solder of Colorado are highly ranked but I dont like them as Steelers (as of now) unless they gain a little weight and strength....but Charles Brown was able to do that this last year so who knows.

I like Joseph Barksdale of LSU who is 6'5 315
and Jarriel King of South Carolina who is 6'5 312

El-Gonzo Jackson
05-04-2010, 12:02 PM
Aussie, nice list and I like how we have guys like Powe, Wujak etc on the back burner and will get more scrutiny this year.

Tex- I think Potter can add to his frame, he is a young and light kid, but his footwork and hand placement are really good. Carimi I have watched a bit for the past couple years and he is not as agile as the top guys IMO. I think he is a bigger Joe Staley type guy.

LLT, .....Kendrick Ellis of Hampton?? he's this years sleeper for you huh. IDK where you come up with these guys hidden in the weeds. :headshake: kind of the Langford, Gilbert, Legusky hidden guys huh?

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-04-2010, 12:29 PM
Aussie, nice list and I like how we have guys like Powe, Wujak etc on the back burner and will get more scrutiny this year.

Tex- I think Potter can add to his frame, he is a young and light kid, but his footwork and hand placement are really good. Carimi I have watched a bit for the past couple years and he is not as agile as the top guys IMO. I think he is a bigger Joe Staley type guy.

LLT, .....Kendrick Ellis of Hampton?? he's this years sleeper for you huh. IDK where you come up with these guys hidden in the weeds. :headshake: kind of the Langford, Gilbert, Legusky hidden guys huh?

For every Dan Williams... (I liked him when he was still ranked as a 7th rounder)...I have a Quinton Moses (I will never live that one down!!!:doh:)

Texasteel
05-04-2010, 05:52 PM
Aussie, nice list and I like how we have guys like Powe, Wujak etc on the back burner and will get more scrutiny this year.

Tex- I think Potter can add to his frame, he is a young and light kid, but his footwork and hand placement are really good. Carimi I have watched a bit for the past couple years and he is not as agile as the top guys IMO. I think he is a bigger Joe Staley type guy.

LLT, .....Kendrick Ellis of Hampton?? he's this years sleeper for you huh. IDK where you come up with these guys hidden in the weeds. :headshake: kind of the Langford, Gilbert, Legusky hidden guys huh?

I'm afraid Potter is going to be one of those guy that go's from being a pretty good 2nd round pick, to a no way he falls to us, player.

El-Gonzo Jackson
05-04-2010, 06:39 PM
I'm afraid Potter is going to be one of those guy that go's from being a pretty good 2nd round pick, to a no way he falls to us, player.

I'm with you there. Potter looks the part, but will likely rise by next year.

But, look at it the other way.....Bulaga fell to where we picked and we didnt do it. Then passed on Campbell, Fox, Calloway and other OT's but ended up with Scott.

Texasteel
05-04-2010, 08:02 PM
I'm with you there. Potter looks the part, but will likely rise by next year.

But, look at it the other way.....Bulaga fell to where we picked and we didnt do it. Then passed on Campbell, Fox, Calloway and other OT's but ended up with Scott.

I can't lie. I was very disappointed we didn't pull the trigger on Bulage, but I do understand their thinking. How ever, if this happens again next year I will not be smiling.

How the hell did we miss on so badly on Campbell. You and I both thought he might slide, but to the 4th round? At least I did have him going to Oakland.

El-Gonzo Jackson
05-07-2010, 08:55 AM
I can't lie. I was very disappointed we didn't pull the trigger on Bulage, but I do understand their thinking. How ever, if this happens again next year I will not be smiling.

How the hell did we miss on so badly on Campbell. You and I both thought he might slide, but to the 4th round? At least I did have him going to Oakland.

Gotta be something in the interview or injury history of Campbell that so many passed on him. Kind of reminds me of Duke Robinson's slide last year.

I am still happy that we got a C and a RT prospect in the draft, which really covers the aging or departing guys at that position. Gotta say I was higher on Calloway than Scott, but Scott can play RT or OG I think.

SteelMember
05-07-2010, 10:18 AM
I am still happy that we got a C and a RT prospect in the draft, which really covers the aging or departing guys at that position. Gotta say I was higher on Calloway than Scott, but Scott can play RT or OG I think.

I've read some article that stated that the Steelers found such a good guy in Ramon Foster that they maybe looked to UT for another. :noidea:

As I'm sure you know, the UT coaching staff has been a revolving door the last couple years, but the o-line coach under Phillip Fulmer was Greg Adkins. He was a guy that seemed to hang around even with changes under Fulmer.

Here's an interesting tidbit (http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/adkins_greg00.html) I dug up on him... which includes the name Chris Scott.

Tennessee's offensive line under assistant coach Greg Adkins is making national headlines.

The Vols allowed only four sacks in 2007 to lead all Football Bowl Subdivision teams. The next closest unit was Rutgers with 10 sacks, while Arkansas and Florida tied for SEC silver honors with 13 sacks apiece.

Tennessee's 534 team passing attempts computed to one sack allowed every 133.5 attempts, far and away the leader of all major college teams. Such productivity helped the Vols offense to the triple milestones of a 3,000-yard passer, 1,000-yard rusher and 1,000-yard receiver in the same season.

Adkins returns the top six members -- Ramon Foster, Jacques McClendon, Josh McNeil, Anthony Parker, Vladimir Richard and Chris Scott -- of the unit that finished the 2007 season, including All-America candidate Parker. The Jonesboro, Ga., product was named All-America second team last season by Associated Press and third team by Rivals.com.

El-Gonzo Jackson
05-07-2010, 09:15 PM
I've read some article that stated that the Steelers found such a good guy in Ramon Foster that they maybe looked to UT for another. :noidea:

As I'm sure you know, the UT coaching staff has been a revolving door the last couple years, but the o-line coach under Phillip Fulmer was Greg Adkins. He was a guy that seemed to hang around even with changes under Fulmer.

Here's an interesting tidbit (http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/adkins_greg00.html) I dug up on him... which includes the name Chris Scott.

Nice find. I dont really think Foster was that big of a deal. He honestly plays with a nasty streak, but doesnt move that well....probably slower than Kemo, but he is a big body that uses his hands well.

I think Ramon Foster is really a less athletic Keydrick Vincent. Chris Scott looked heavy footed when at the Senior Bowl. He actually looked worse at OT than Ciron Black, but could end up at guard, but hopefully RT.