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SteelKnight
04-26-2010, 05:41 PM
What's your favorite offensive set?
1. 3 Wide Receivers
2. Fullback
3. 2 Tight Ends
4. 4 WR no TE

I know everyone has been hard on BA saying he doesn't like FBs. I agree with him. My favorite set is the 3WRs. Having a FB can be misleading. It means there will be one more person in the box. How good is your fullback?

If you use 3WR, they have to send someone to cover that WR. If that WR is fasst, he may even force the safety to help tus taking up 2 people.

I'd like to see 3WR with Ward, Wallace, and Sanders (or Sweed). Sanders can run the kind of routs Wallace ran next year and take some off the top.

So which set would you like us to use (and which players)?

Psyychoward86
04-26-2010, 05:46 PM
kind of tied between 3 wide receivers and 2 wide with a FB. I think those two are what this team is built for.

SteelKnight
04-26-2010, 05:52 PM
kind of tied between 3 wide receivers and 2 wide with a FB. I think those two are what this team is built for.

Everyone always assumes a FB helps your running but if we force 3WR and force them to keep their nickel defense out there, it can break rhythm. How good is their 3rd corner? Imagine us, we would have to take Hampton out if they did it consistently.

Instead of having the occasional 3W or just on 3rd and long, I would rather have an occasional FB.

tony hipchest
04-26-2010, 05:53 PM
11 personnel- 1 back/1te/3wr

JCPsteelers
04-26-2010, 06:07 PM
One back with either 3WR/TE or 2WR/2TE..

AllD
04-26-2010, 06:11 PM
Keep the FB in to protect the QB.

SteelKnight
04-26-2010, 06:16 PM
One back with either 3WR/TE or 2WR/2TE..

It seems most are agreeing that 3WR is great but when BA says he doesn't like FBs, they gave him a tough time. People just like to hate on him. BA needs to improve our Red Zone offense but he's done the best with what we have. He helps Ben turn in his best year and we end up with a 1000 yard runner and 2 1000 yard receivers (with the 3rd over 700). Red Zone needs to improve but I do like BA.

I can't agree with 2TE because I'd rather have Sanders out there over Spaeth. I'd rather run against nickel defenses.

SteelKnight
04-26-2010, 06:18 PM
Keep the FB in to protect the QB.

Keep in mind that allows them to bring an extra rusher. Whoever was assigned to the FB will be free to rush...or stay back in coverage and help out.

steelreserve
04-26-2010, 06:24 PM
Screw that -- I want 5 TEs and an empty backfield! Think how good we woulda been if we got Tebow and ran THAT as our base offense




... in all seriousness, I am also tied between 3WR and 2WR+FB. It kind of depends on whether we have a FB who's any good. If it's Carey Davis, I don't really see the point of putting him on the field. Miller is also good enough to basically be a third receiver in 2WR sets or an extra blocker in 3WR sets, so I like the flexibility that gives us.

Also, throw in there that the I form with 3WRs is possible, as is 3WR+2RB (no fullback). Those seem more suited to a well-rounded back who can also catch -- something we didn't have until Parker's sorry ass got booted from the starting job. Not that I'd expect us to use them as our base offense -- especially since Miller wouldn't be in -- but for a series here and there it could be a pretty dangerous look.

SteelKnight
04-26-2010, 06:40 PM
A fullback helps clear holes for the running game even if there is an extra defender in the box. If a team has a quality FB that can open holes AND protect the QB, you would have to at least use a mixture of a FB/2WR and 3WR sets to keep the D honest.

Keeping the D honest is a good point. If I were playing the Steelers, I would love to force Hampton to keep running on and off the field. Fine. But my goal was to get what people want our MAIN set to be. As much as possible, I want to see 3WRs.

Steeldude
04-27-2010, 10:46 AM
i wish i could find the post a guy made which showed how unsuccessful the steelers have been with the 2-TE set.

solardave
04-27-2010, 10:57 AM
Keep the FB in to protect the QB.
I have to agree unless our O-line improves at pass protect.

Dino 6 Rings
04-27-2010, 11:29 AM
What? No Wishbone!!!

lionslicer
04-27-2010, 01:41 PM
either 2 wide and a fullback or 2 tightend, it will show the steelers are willing to run or pass. Steelers O-line isn't good enough to block for the run, so if the Steelers go 3 wide, even if the other team predicts pass and the Steelers run, they'll still get stuffed.

SteelKnight
04-27-2010, 02:54 PM
i wish i could find the post a guy made which showed how unsuccessful the steelers have been with the 2-TE set.

You need both TEs to be good for that to happen. What happened to Spaeth? As a rookie, right away he had 4 TDs then he got injured and has sucked ever since. I don't see him dropping balls so maybe he just has a hard time getting open. I think it would be fun to just send him deep. maybe they will have a LB on him being the second TE and the safety will be too arrogant and will think he should stick with double teaming Wallace. If he can't beat a LB one on one, we need to get someone wo can.

SteelKnight
04-27-2010, 03:00 PM
I see the Fullback set making a strong comback and I ask myself why? I don't even like Frank the Tank. He is an overhyped big halfback who is not good with short yardage situations. I'm oping he doesn't make the team.

They have that new 273 pound undrafted FB. They also have Johnson and McHugh.

I hope we get Mendy, Dwyer, Redman, Moore and 1of those 4 (273, McHugh, Tank, Johnson). I have a feeling though that 2 of those players make it and Redman is out. McHugh is the favorite if he is healed and in shape because he can play both H-back/Fullback and TE.

Vincent
04-27-2010, 03:01 PM
Is the scrum a legal formation?

I'd like to see all our big uglies line up with 3 guards in the backfield and direct snap it to one. That should be good for 10 or so yards each snap.

xbroughneck
04-27-2010, 03:49 PM
One back with either 3WR/TE or 2WR/2TE..


BRUCE!!!!! Shouldn't you be working right now.:chuckle:

Seriously, if a two TE set involves Spaeth staying in to block I consider that offensive set a failure by default. If it's Miller/Johnson as the TE's I'm perfectly fine with the 2WR/2TE set, but I want the occasional I formation fullback set with Johnson in there to block.

AllD
04-27-2010, 03:54 PM
Refrigerator Perry for short yardage. Keeping the FB in to protect the QB also allows for a delayed draw and several other options. We tried 3 wide last season and although it generated stats, they did not translate to wins. A very fine line. We have to mix it up and at least use some stealth to disguise new plays.

Preacher
04-27-2010, 04:00 PM
Personally,

I prefer to have a FB that can catch the ball out of the backfield.... which is why I like McHugh... though its tough using him as a full back.

In other words, I want unpredictability. That is why I love Arians sets... but shake my head at the actual playcalls at times.

SteelKnight
04-27-2010, 05:34 PM
Personally,

I prefer to have a FB that can catch the ball out of the backfield.... which is why I like McHugh... though its tough using him as a full back.

In other words, I want unpredictability. That is why I love Arians sets... but shake my head at the actual playcalls at times.

I'm glad someone is finally giving Arians some credit. I'd like to see a few more quick slants and screens.

The plays that make me sake my head the most are the 2nd and 9 or 10s when we have been having trouble running the ball and if fools nobody and we are unsuccessful leading to a 3rd and long wen we were having such a successful drive. So many times we faced unnecessary 3rd and longs based on ineffective running on 2nd and long. To my surprise, they often converted the 3rd and long. They won't always be so lucky and a lot of them were Santonio.

I'd like better second and long plays and better redzone plays.

SteelKnight
04-27-2010, 05:38 PM
One point in rooting for Sanders or Sweed over Randel El is Randel El had ZERO touchdowns last year and he was a starter...ZERO...that's terrible. I'd rather just take my chances with Sanders. His speed should pull defenders away. I will hope again that Sweed comes around. Sweed ran a 4.48 so he's not slow. He just needs to hold on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8UQ2cZuHxw

AllD
04-27-2010, 07:18 PM
One point in rooting for Sanders or Sweed over Randel El is Randel El had ZERO touchdowns last year and he was a starter...ZERO...that's terrible. I'd rather just take my chances with Sanders. His speed should pull defenders away. I will hope again that Sweed comes around. Sweed ran a 4.48 so he's not slow. He just needs to hold on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8UQ2cZuHxw


Sweed catches like my girlfriend. I throw the ball and it hits her in the numbers. Then right through both arms and hits the ground. She looks up and asks what happened. She throws the ball back and I one hand it.

I am coaching her in the short passing game and if I place the ball above her shoulders she has a better tendency to hang on.

SteelKnight
04-27-2010, 07:52 PM
Sweed catches like my girlfriend. I throw the ball and it hits her in the numbers. Then right through both arms and hits the ground. She looks up and asks what happened. She throws the ball back and I one hand it.

I am coaching her in the short passing game and if I place the ball above her shoulders she has a better tendency to hang on.

Yeah...we all know he has been having problems catching but this hasn't always been the case so hopefully he gets over it.

At least he can do two things:
1.He can outrun some people.
2.He can create some separation.

So if he can
3.Catch and
4.Be productive and stable after the catch (no fumbles and gain yardage)

we'll have something.

Some big players are slow and can't get open so they have less potential than Sweed.

SteelerFanInTX210
04-28-2010, 10:09 AM
I am a fan of the 3WR FB HB 2WR TE FB HB combinations. When you have the caliber of recievers that we have that can block in the run game you can run sets like this and keep the defense honest, hell even Sweed knocks peoples heads off weve all seen that.
WR LT LG C RG RT WR
QB WR

<---FB--->
HB

SteelerFanInTX210
04-28-2010, 10:09 AM
that didnt come out like i planned lol