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SteelerEmpire
04-28-2010, 03:04 AM
A new study shows that the movement's supporters are more likely to be racially resentful.

Ever since the Tea Party phenomenon gathered steam last spring, it has been plagued by charges of racism. Placards at rallies have depicted President Barack Obama as a witch doctor, denounced his supposed plans for "white slavery," and likened Congress to a slave owner and the taxpayer to a "n----r." Opponents have seized on these examples as proof that Tea Partiers are angry white folks who can't abide having a black president. Supporters, on the other hand, claim that the hateful signs are the work of a small fringe and that they unfairly malign a movement that simply seeks to rein in big government. In the absence of empirical evidence to support either characterization, the debate has essentially deadlocked.

Until now, that is. A new survey by the University of Washington Institute for the Study of Ethnicity, Race & Sexuality offers fresh insight into the racial attitudes of Tea Party sympathizers. "The data suggests that people who are Tea Party supporters have a higher probability"—25 percent, to be exact—"of being racially resentful than those who are not Tea Party supporters," says Christopher Parker, who directed the study. "The Tea Party is not just about politics and size of government. The data suggests it may also be about race."

Surveyers asked respondents in California and a half dozen battleground states (like Michigan and Ohio) a series of questions that political scientists typically use to measure racial hostility. On each one, Tea Party backers expressed more resentment than the rest of the population, even when controlling for partisanship and ideology. When read the statement that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites," 73 percent of the movement's supporters agreed, while only 33 percent of people who disapproved of the Tea Party agreed. Asked if blacks should work their way up "without special favors," as the Irish, Italians, and other groups did, 88 percent of supporters agreed, compared to 56 percent of opponents. The study revealed that Tea Party enthusiasts were also more likely to have negative opinions of Latinos and immigrants.


These results are bolstered by a recent New York Times/CBS News surveyfinding that white Tea Party supporters were more likely to believe that "the Obama administration favors blacks over whites" and that "too much has been made of the problems facing black people." The survey also showed that Tea Party sympathizers are whiter, older, wealthier, and more well-educated than the average American. They're "just as likely to be employed, and more likely to describe their economic situation as very or fairly good," according to a summary of the poll.

If Tea Party supporters are doing relatively fine, what are they so riled up about? These studies suggest that, at least in part, it's race. The country that the Tea Partiers grew up in is irrevocably changing. Last month, new demographic data showed that minority births are on the verge of outpacing white births. By 2050, Hispanics are expected to account for more than a quarter of the American population. The Tea Partiers "feel a loss … like their status has been diminished," says David Bositis of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, which examines issues of race. "If you listen to [their] language, it's always about 'taking our country back.' But it's really not taking the country back as is. It's taking the country back"—as in time.

Bositis finds the movement's arguments about reckless federal spending unpersuasive. Why, he asks, weren't they up in arms when President George W. Bush launched two costly wars and created a new unfunded mandate with his Medicare prescription-drug plan? Why didn't they take to the streets when he converted a surplus into a massive deficit? "I don't like to be in a position where I'm characterizing people as being racially biased," says Bositis. "But when the shoe fits, what do you do?" Given modern societal norms, "they know they can't use any overtly racist language," he contends. "So they use coded language"—questioning the patriotism of the president or complaining about "socialist" schemes to redistribute wealth.

The Tea Partiers bridle at such accusations. "That is so pathetic," says Danita Kilcullen, the founder of Tea Party Fort Lauderdale. "Nobody in the Tea Party movement that I know is a racist." She notes that she attends a church with a black pastor, supports a black candidate (Allen West) in a local congressional race, and backs a Latino candidate (Marco Rubio) for U.S. Senate. When a protestor showed up at one of her group's rallies with a racist sign, she says, she personally kicked him off the corner. "We absolutely don't tolerate anything like that," says Kilcullen. "Nobody uses the N word. Nobody calls Mexicans all those ugly things that people say. Those are lies about us." She concedes that the movement doesn't draw many African-Americans. "But that's because all the black people voted for Obama," she says. "Well, not all—but 90 percent." (It was actually 95 percent.)

Some Tea Partiers blame the media for casting them as racists. "It really makes me mad," says Tom Fitzhugh, a Tea party activist in Tampa. "They have tried to portray us as a bunch of radical extremists." He considers Obama an abomination—possibly "the most radical-voting senator that ever was" and someone likely to "take us down the path of destruction." He believes the administration is intent on taking away his guns, trampling on states' rights, and opening the borders with Canada and Mexico. He has serious doubts that Obama was born in the U.S. and suspects that the president is a closet Muslim. (There's no evidence to support any of these accusations.) But his anger has nothing to do with race, he says. The real issue is that Obama is "taking down the Constitution and the way it's governed us for [hundreds of] years." All he wants, in other words, is to take his country back.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/236996

I see things are slowly starting to heat up... lol... its gonna be another "hot, hot, hot " election by the time November hits... lol...

zulater
04-28-2010, 06:10 AM
What a load of shit. I'm not a tp'er, but those questions were slanted and ridiculous and prove nothing.

Fact is everyone is racist to a point. It's in our DNA, and blacks, latino's and asians are just as guilty as us whitey's.

Now let's look at these two loaded questions the article provided as "proof" that tp'ers are racist..

1. if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites," 73 percent of the movement's supporters agreed, while only 33 percent of people who disapproved of the Tea Party agreed. Asked if blacks should work their way up "without special favors," as the Irish, Italians, and other groups did, 88 percent of supporters agreed, compared to 56 percent of opponents.

Look at the honor rolls of any major university, notice the disproportinate number of Asians that are recognized for their academic prowess. So do I think Asains are racially superior to all other people? No I don't. What I know is that Asian cultural demands a greater appreciation and respect for academic learning than other culturals. There's is a cultural that doesn't easily tolerate excuse making, therefore they can overcome the hurdles of race and in some instances even language and shoot to the top of their class.

The overwhelming theme I get from black cultural is that they're far too quick to adopt a victim mentality. When things go wrong it's not junior's fault it's society's fault. To some extent it may even be true, but when you continually send out the message that your shortcomings aren't of your own doing, you're also sending out the message that you don't possess control of your fate, and therefore you wont instill the will to take control of a situation.

It's the Jesse Jackson versus Bill Cosby argument if you will. With Jesse, black folks are always whitey's victims. You fail, why wouldn't you? The system is stacked against you, so it' pointless to try and overcome it from within. Better to change the rules to be more accomadating than to learn how to play the game the right way.

With Bill Cosby, the message of predetermined failure is rejected. If you find a hurdle placed before you jump it,or try to find another way around it. And if in time you prove to be incapable of overcoming it you can at least start to map out a path for those that follow you and prepare them to do what you weren't able to.

Personally I like Mr. Cosby's message a lot better than Jesse the enabler's. If that makes me a racist, so be it.

:coffee:

steeldawg
04-28-2010, 08:38 AM
This is so bogus they did not interview the entire tea party. Why are they asking these questions anyhow the tea party movement has not protested anything having to do with race. Also there are African american tea party supporters. They are really reaching here.

Vincent
04-28-2010, 09:34 AM
Rather than comment on this "piece", I'll address the notion that "tea partiers" are "racist".

I haven't been to a "tea party" but I know lots that have. I have observed "media" coverage of "tea party" events, seen interviews of "tea partiers". and have read commentary on same from "both sides". This is my personal observation, and I'm "entitled" to it.

If there is any generalization to be made about the "tea party" it is that they are taxpayers. That's the common thread. They are comprised of all demographics, albeit somewhat "older" and accomplished, and come from all points on the political spectrum except the hard left. If it is necessary to stereotype, then they are the "productive".

Their issue is with Washington, its entrenched power structure, their apparati (bureaucracies), gubmint waste, and the general disdain Washington has for the tax payer. That's it. Nothing more.

The left, because there is nothing to leftism but hollow rhetoric and simplistic slogans (that team isn't up to anything more "complex"), doesn't have a counter to "Washington is out of control and is ruining the Republic", so they retreat to what they know - hiding behind a "victim". Because they believe that they have "established" that disagreement with bho, and by extension the federalies, is "racist", that is their visceral position to the "tea party". Their position is as simple as the "tea party's" - "we are entitled so STFU and pay". And one would expect such a vacuous and selfish position from the "unproductive".

Now, if it is "fair" to say that the "tea party", because they are the productive and pay taxes, are "racist", then it follows that the "unproductive", because they are dependent on the largess that descends from the "tea partiers's" production, must be equally racist, as that is the only "divide" between the two "camps". In the abstract, that is ridiculous.

But if you examine the contrast in the rhetoric coming from both camps, again, the "tea partiers" have their issues with Washington and the unproductive have their issues with the "tea party". Put another way, one side takes issue with institution, the other with a group of people. At that point, it is "fair" to say one side has a prejudice, and while it can't be racist in nature, it is bigotry, never the less.

To me, that's equally absurd, but following the "logic" of the left, it is the only conclusion. IMHO, the divide is as simple as one side has "it", and "it" is extracted from them. The other side has been conditioned to expect that "it" will be forthcoming on the basis of their "entitlement". And the other side gets testy when the "productive" get restless.

revefsreleets
04-28-2010, 09:58 AM
This is the ongoing subject of a debate I have going on with my liberal DC lawyer buddy who insists on marginalizing the "tea baggers" and basically deriding the the entire movement daily with incessant ad homs attacks.

Are there some small pockets of racism in the tea party? Absolutely. But to attempt to extrapolate tiny numbers up in order to paint the entire movement as racist is patently ridiculous. This attempt by the pop press to ridicule and discredit the movement will backfire just as badly as the original liberal attack tactic of portraying them all as mouth-breathing inbred backwards-assed retards. The demographic information emerging shows the party to be filled with very educated affluent citizens.

Unfortunately, he is part of a cadre of people who have an overwhelmingly large influence on the "news" and how it's reported in the country. So you can expect that if there are 500 tea party demonstrations and 99.5% of the people involved in them are quiet, respectful, peaceful, nonviolent and non-racist, you will see NOTHING of that reported, but the .5% that fits the pre-determined (and WRONG) biased notions of the liberal left media outlets will get all the pub.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-28-2010, 10:16 AM
The opposition has absolutely lost the right to paint the tea partiers as "racist" or "uneducated" when it has been verified that the liberals are planting themselves in the crowds and misrepresenting themselves as tea partiers who are....racist and uneducated.

Vincent
04-28-2010, 10:48 AM
Are there some small pockets of racism in the tea party? Absolutely.

That statement is only valid against the backdrop that there are "small pockets of racism" in every demographic across the whole population. There is no evidence whatsoever to validate the existence of a single "racist" among the "tea party" and I defy anyone to prove otherwise. The whole argument is specious at best.

It is the only "argument" the left can present because the tea party isn't a demographic. It is a group of tax payers that they don't have a case against. So they fall back to what they imagine is their "silver bullet" - "racism". If you don't give them their "racism" toehold, they fold.

By giving them "racism", they have successfully changed the "tea party" issue from taxes to race. That, of course, is their strategery.

The opposition has absolutely lost the right to paint the tea partiers as "racist" or "uneducated"...

They didn't have the "right" to begin with. Its their attempt to change the argument.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-28-2010, 11:00 AM
They didn't have the "right" to begin with. Its their attempt to change the argument.

Agreed....but what I meant by that is....even the left has to now admit that any examples of racist or uneducated behavior coming from the movement is now suspect as to being "planted".

Their own willingness participate in deceitful practices, will make any bad examples appear questionable.

Vincent
04-28-2010, 11:15 AM
Their own willingness to participate in deceitful practices, will make any bad examples appear questionable.

"Willingness"? You're very charitable LLT.

The left is deceit. Every position they occupy is deceit. There isn't a single issue that the left is correct about and the only way they can even get into the argument is by deceit.

They are a mafia devoted to seizing and consolidating their own power. That is their only position. The veneer of "causes" is only to serve that end.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-28-2010, 12:37 PM
"Willingness"? You're very charitable LLT.

The left is deceit. Every position they occupy is deceit. There isn't a single issue that the left is correct about and the only way they can even get into the argument is by deceit.

They are a mafia devoted to seizing and consolidating their own power. That is their only position. The veneer of "causes" is only to serve that end.

Seriously...you have GOT to quit beating around the bush. This habitual holding back of your thoughts is going to cause an ulcer. Please...just tell us how you feel.
:chuckle::chuckle::chuckle:

zulater
04-28-2010, 01:02 PM
The opposition has absolutely lost the right to paint the tea partiers as "racist" or "uneducated" when it has been verified that the liberals are planting themselves in the crowds and misrepresenting themselves as tea partiers who are....racist and uneducated.



http://article.nationalreview.com/431287/tea-party-saboteurs/michelle-malkin

I speak from direct experience about the underhandedness of tea-party smear merchants. On Feb. 17, 2009, at one of the countryís first tax-revolt rallies in Denver, a man approached me amid a throng of bona fide anti-stimulus protesters and thrust a camera in my face. I obliged cheerfully, as I usually do after such speaking events. I later learned from the character assassins at Progress Now, a left-wing outfit that just happened to be there and just happened to snap a close-up photo of the interaction, that the man pulled out a sign at the last minute (which I didnít see until later) sporting Obamaís name with a swastika on it. He held the sign away from me, but in direct view of the Progress Now cameraperson.

That cameraperson just happened to be a former CNN producer, whose blog post on the photo just happened to be immediately disseminated by the local press and to the hit men at the radical-left Media Matters website. The narrative was set: A conservative supporter of the nascent tea-party movement posed for a photo with a man holding up a swastika at a protest against out-of-control spending! Ergo, the anti-stimulus protesters and the entire tea-party membership are all racist, fascist menaces to society!

GoSlash27
04-28-2010, 05:33 PM
The interpretation of the answers is what's slanted. I would answer these questions the exact same way and I *am* a black guy. It's not that I'm hostile to my own race, just that I know that I'm a person like anyone else and can succeed without mommy gubmint's "help".

The topics that the TEA Party (I'm a proud member) addresses are all race-neutral. Balance the budget, get a handle on the national debt, reduce the size and scope of government, obey the Constitution. These matters have *NOTHING* to do with race, but the big government types in Washington have no valid counter argument, so they revert to "racist" ad-homs.
The majority of Americans agree with the TEA Party on every issue. If our agreement was truly racially motivated, it would be impossible for Obama to be President.

Leftoverhard
04-28-2010, 05:50 PM
It's not that I'm hostile to my own race, just that I know that I'm a person like anyone else and can succeed without mommy gubmint's "help".


:noidea: absolutely dumbfounded by that statement.

tony hipchest
04-28-2010, 05:58 PM
why were there no "tea parties" to protest bush's out of control spending?

MACH1
04-28-2010, 06:16 PM
:noidea: absolutely dumbfounded by that statement.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Jpdmm_npp4o/RjleGrc42SI/AAAAAAAABCo/8Lc1Q8jt3kE/s1600/push_for_free_cheese.jpg

Leftoverhard
04-28-2010, 06:18 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Jpdmm_npp4o/RjleGrc42SI/AAAAAAAABCo/8Lc1Q8jt3kE/s1600/push_for_free_cheese.jpg

Shouldn't you be teaching people to fish?

MACH1
04-28-2010, 06:25 PM
Shouldn't you be teaching people to fish?

Why, you want more free fish.

X-Terminator
04-29-2010, 09:33 AM
:noidea: absolutely dumbfounded by that statement.

His statement is pretty clear to me. A hell of a lot of black people think that the only way they can succeed is if the government gives them something, because they feel they are being held back by "the man." That is a HUGE reason why you see 90% of them voting for Democrats. I have not and have never felt that way, and many of the problems facing the black community would be solved if they all felt this way. Any person in this country, regardless of race or national origin, can succeed if they are willing to put in the work. Problem is, if you actually believe that and you're black, as I am, you are sometimes met with hostility. Lord knows I can't tell you how many times I've been called an "Uncle Tom" in my lifetime, simply because I don't subscribe to the typical black community "groupthink."

Are there some racists in the TEA Party movement? Sure there are. You put any group of people together from any walk of life, and there's a good chance there's a few racists in the crowd. But I don't believe for a second that it represents the movement as a whole.

The Patriot
04-29-2010, 12:59 PM
Tea-partiers aren't racist. If a black person shows up to one of their rallies, he's treated like the guest of honor. He gets to be in all the pictures, and interviews. How can you call that racist? :sofunny:

MasterOfPuppets
04-29-2010, 08:33 PM
why were there no "tea parties" to protest bush's out of control spending?
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cloppbeast
04-29-2010, 08:48 PM
why were there no "tea parties" to protest bush's out of control spending?

I don't know many teabaggers who agree with Bush's spending or even think he was a good President, but still, he was a Republican. Most of the teabaggers are also Republican, so, I would say its just good ol' fashion partisanship. Even though they may not have liked Bush, he's still better than probably anybody on the left; the teabaggers were validated by Obama's ridiculous spending, far and above even that of Bush. It was bad when Bush resided as President, now it's even worse.

Still, the teabaggers should have voiced their disgust with Bush in the same way they do now. Partisanship is silly.

X-Terminator
04-29-2010, 08:51 PM
Was not the TEA party movement started in part to protest the bailouts first signed by Bush? Yeah, they've protested damn near everything that Obama has proposed, but if you recall, many conservatives were against bailing out the banks.

GBMelBlount
04-29-2010, 09:05 PM
Wow. Talk about missing the big picture...

Government spending and the deficit were out of control under Bush and now it's flat out sickening.

Is that not something we can all agree on?

TheWarDen86
04-29-2010, 09:11 PM
Crickets?

Wow. Talk about missing the big picture...

Government spending and the deficit were out of control under Bush and now it's flat out sickening.

Is that not something we can all agree on?

Out of control why, because Obama is black? You racist.

:chuckle:

Godfather
04-29-2010, 09:16 PM
The opposition has absolutely lost the right to paint the tea partiers as "racist" or "uneducated" when it has been verified that the liberals are planting themselves in the crowds and misrepresenting themselves as tea partiers who are....racist and uneducated.

Do you have any ironclad links to that? Something like a picture of a "teabagger" with a racist sign and proof that the person is really a liberal?

I believe it but I'd love to have that kind of ammo bookmarked.

MasterOfPuppets
04-29-2010, 09:23 PM
Do you have any ironclad links to that? Something like a picture of a "teabagger" with a racist sign and proof that the person is really a liberal?

I believe it but I'd love to have that kind of ammo bookmarked.

maybe the KKK cowards hiding behind hoods were really right wing conservatives .would explain the hoods...:hunch:

GBMelBlount
04-29-2010, 09:28 PM
Out of control why, because Obama is black? You racist.

:chuckle:

:chuckle:

Seriously though. The government spending and debt is absolutely at a point where it is out of control and may be unsustainable. That is scary.

Is Bush partly to blame. I believe he is. But blaming Bush does not validate what Obama is doing.

TheWarDen86
04-29-2010, 09:33 PM
:chuckle:

Seriously though. The government spending and debt is absolutely at a point where it is out of control and may be unsustainable. That is scary.

Is Bush partly to blame. I believe he is. But blaming Bush does not validate what Obama is doing.

Nope.

GBMelBlount
04-29-2010, 09:50 PM
Nope.

...and how could anyone disagree with a "bewbmeister extraordinaire"? :drink:

Dino 6 Rings
04-30-2010, 10:04 AM
What if you're a racist who is against the Tea Party because they are too inclusive?

Does that mean since they are racist, and you are against them, you are now not-racist?

So would a Klan member who hates the Tea Party march in solidarity with the Black Panthers in protest agains the Racist Tea Party movement?

I'm confused.

But really, what this is, is a way to say "The Silent Majority" are really just Racists. Meaning, the overwhelming amount of White Men, and most White Women are really just Racists. Nothing to do with the very liberal social engineering policies flowing out of the Federal Government, the higher taxes being proposed, the higher costs of Health Care as Proven now by the release now by Obama's HHS Department that shows yes, it will cost more. The Bail Outs of Banks that tea party members said not to bail out, yet were told they were "too big to fail" and who's on Capital Hill right now defending themselves? Goldman Sachs, Really? You mean they were bad too? And bailing out General Motors, then causing a huge systematic attack against a rival Toyota, and ignoring GM's Gigantic Recall for engines catching fire. Ominibus, Tarp, Stimulus and a 3.5 Trillion Dollar Yearly! Deficit. Yeah, it has nothing to do with any of that.

The Silent Majority is just a bunch of Racist White People.

revefsreleets
04-30-2010, 10:05 AM
Bu-bu-bu-Bush AGAIN?

Sad. When ya got nuthin', there's always Bush.

Dino 6 Rings
04-30-2010, 10:09 AM
why were there no "tea parties" to protest bush's out of control spending?

My guess, is that most of Bush's spending was attributed to the Wars over seas. So people who were not opposed to the wars, didn't see the spending on the wars as an issue worth protesting because they didn't want to get caught up in the Anti-War protests. But Tarp did in fact start this movement. The Too Big To Fail statements from Congress had people scratching their heads. Then with the Ominibus, Stimilus and Health Care bills all driving the Deficit from 500Billion to 3.5 Trillion, that's 3 Trillion dollars MORE, people got worried and wanted a way to protest what they saw as a never ending cycle, especially when they were fed the line "change things in Washington" not 2 years ago during the Primaries when Obama really gained most of his support.

And that's an honest open minded opinion.

revefsreleets
04-30-2010, 10:16 AM
TARP is being paid back, and will eventually be paid back. GM will NEVER pay back the 50 bil Barry gave 'em. One of the myriad broken campaign promises was to fix all this mess, and, instead, it's gotten exponentially worse. Blaming Bush is like this:

You have a car, and the transmission goes bad. Bush rebuilds it, and it costs $2,000, and you only have $1,000. Then the transmission acts up again (but the car is still running), so you take it back to the mechanic, and find out that Bush is gone, and Barry wants to work on your car. He says he'll fix the tranny for free. You give him the car, you get it back with a fixed transmission, but the engine has been removed and given to his friend who needed a new engine. He charges you $4000 more, so you're now $5000 in the hole and your car doesn't drive at all.

Technically, it is sort of Bush's fault because he didn't fix the transmission exactly right in the first place, but the guy who promised you he'd fix it for free then charged you $4000 more and stole your engine probably deserves JUST a tad bit more blame for the resulting problems.