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SteelerEmpire
04-30-2010, 08:40 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/29/lander.who.am.i/index.html

CNN- I am white. I know that's a terribly big surprise, considering that I write a blog called Stuff White People Like, but I mean it, I'm white.

Like really white.

I'm not attempting to assert some sort of superiority through my whiteness; quite the opposite actually. Thanks to my liberal upbringing, I am imbued with the appropriate amount of guilt and shame about my ancestors and their actions in the New World.

Even in my home, I can't offer a blanket to a nonwhite friend without the fear that they will look at me and say "no smallpox on this right?" A joke, but I still want to apologize.

I'm a white male. I belong to a group that pretty much always been able to own land and to vote. I'm more or less from the kind that grabbed power somewhere after the fall of Rome and never let go. In other words, I'm the kind of white guy that has never experienced any real oppression.

Although I guess my ancestors technically left England because of some religious persecution and in spite of a rough boat ride and a rough first Thanksgiving, it's safe to say it worked out pretty well. Unless you got one of those aforementioned blankets.

But in addition to being white and having ancestors on the Mayflower, I'm also Canadian. Yes, I know that might actually make me more white than before, but it also technically makes me an immigrant to this country.

Still, I am loath to call myself an immigrant because I don't want to demean the very real, very difficult challenges faced by immigrants to this country who have had to overcome differences in language, culture and distance from their families. I would say my biggest hardship has been trying to find Ketchup Chips.

But in the eyes of the U.S. government, I am an immigrant, the same as someone from China, Mexico or India. I would not be in this country had I not met my wife in graduate school, and I am thankful every day for her and the opportunity to live in the United States.

So when the census came around, I was absolutely thrilled. I've lived in the United States for eight years (four of them as a graduate student), and in that time, I have never been able to vote or access any public services. The census meant I was going to be counted, I was going to be a part of American history. A good part, not that blanket part.

When the form arrived, I scanned the options and quickly checked "white." I would have checked "Canadian" but that option wasn't anywhere to be found. There it was, I was a white American, or technically a white American Permanent Resident. But then I started thinking about what it really means to be a white American.

As long as America has been around, I would have been considered white. I would have checked the same box in the 1790 census, had my relatives decided to stay on their land instead of moving to Canada to stay loyal to the King of England. But not everyone who checked that box on the census has always been considered white. Irish, Italian, Jewish, German and Eastern European have all been considered not white. or at the very least "not American."

All of these groups came to America amid widespread discrimination, and yet through the process of assimilation and Americanization, the status of white was slowly conferred upon them (read "The History of White People" or "How the Irish Became White" for actual, intelligent research on how this happened).

And with this new-found white status also came the status of "ethnically American." Of course, a lot of people will say that there is no such thing as an ethnic American and that everyone who becomes a citizen is an American. And this is true to the letter of the law, but if we consider the popular perception of immigration and the American dream, to say that white skin has nothing to do with it would be complete folly.

In the popular myth, immigrants arrive as huddled masses yearning to be free and most of the women wear scarves around their head. They move to the Lower East Side or some other suitably "ethnic" community, they change a last name, they learn English and within one generation they are welcomed into the country as ethnic Americans and granted that wonderful privilege of checking the white box on the census.

The reality is that America has a long history of welcoming immigrants who will never be able to check that white box on the census, and unfortunately that means America also has a long history of discrimination against those people regardless of their status in the country. Just one example would be the treatment of Japanese-Americans during World War II contrasted against the treatment of German-Americans.

But all of that was in the past right? Well, ask yourself this: Who is more likely to get pulled over and forced to show his papers in Arizona today? A first generation Canadian immigrant, or a 10th generation Mexican-American?

What I hope this census will force the country to deal with is the fact that white immigrants like me will never again make up the majority of people that come to this country. America is not getting whiter, it will never get whiter. Well, unless we start handing those blankets out again.

Vincent
04-30-2010, 08:51 PM
Martin Mull's "White People in America". Good times. Good times.

revefsreleets
04-30-2010, 09:04 PM
Irrelevant. Obama removed immigration from his "to do" list today. We just have to grin and bear it until the political climate for liberal Democrats clears up a little bit (cough cough)....

Leftoverhard
04-30-2010, 09:08 PM
I would say my biggest hardship has been trying to find Ketchup Chips.

Funny - love those ketchup chips, why the hell do they not import those to every gas station in the US is beyond me.

Good article - You don't have to be a minority to sympathize with people who are oppressed.

xfl2001fan
04-30-2010, 09:14 PM
Funny - love those ketchup chips, why the hell do they not import those to every gas station in the US is beyond me.
Because they're nasty and don't sell well here.

Good article - You don't have to be a minority to sympathize with people who are oppressed.

Define "minority."

Because at my HS (over 1400 students) as a white student, I was in the "minority." Graduation class of over 300...I was in the "minority" of the graduates. As a white "athlete" on the football team (yeah, not really all that athletic...just a smart/savvy player who was never going to get an athletic scholarship anywhere) I was most certainly in the minority.

Who is still "oppressed" today? I mean, I can't create a WET (White Entertainment Television) channel, can I? That'd be grossly racist and insensitive. I don't believe that there's a white history month where I can proudly proclaim that I'm a European American.

Vincent
04-30-2010, 09:53 PM
Who is still "oppressed" today? I mean, I can't create a WET (White Entertainment Television) channel, can I? That'd be grossly racist and insensitive. I don't believe that there's a white history month where I can proudly proclaim that I'm a European American.

Try starting a NAAWP just for giggles.

Godfather
04-30-2010, 10:19 PM
Try starting a NAAWP just for giggles.

David Duke beat you to that, when he wasn't busy going on al-Jazeera and giving pep talks to the terrorists.

Vincent
04-30-2010, 10:40 PM
David Duke beat you to that, when he wasn't busy going on al-Jazeera and giving pep talks to the terrorists.

I wonder how Ol' David is these days. That boy is a mess. You'd think he would have gone with the donkeys since they founded the klan.

Godfather
04-30-2010, 10:49 PM
I wonder how Ol' David is these days. That boy is a mess. You'd think he would have gone with the donkeys since they founded the klan.

I think he ran for the D presidential nomination once. Then he jumped over to the R's and made several runs for office.

urgle burgle
04-30-2010, 11:10 PM
interesting article. not too shabby. just two issues. the small pox to the indians hidden in blankets is a myth and has been debunked by quite a few historians. im too lazy to look it up right now, but if i have to i will. other issue. why the hell does the census need to ask ethnicity anyway? it was called for in the Constituiton for a count of the population. to decide appropriate representation in govt. not all the other crap they now ask for. census shoudl read: how many people in your household who are citizens? then answer. thats it.

Leftoverhard
05-01-2010, 01:15 AM
Who is still "oppressed" today?

There's a good argument to be made that anyone who is not a straight, white, Christian, mentally fit male has or will experience some form of oppression during their lifetime. In other words, not you. Unfortunately, you may never even understand what that really means. I say "unfortunately" because although there is definitely a lot of truth to the old saying "Ignorance is bliss," there's also another great saying that applies to your question - "You can't hold a man down without staying down with him." In that way of thinking, you could say that we are all oppressed and will continue to be until we can all get back up again.

I mean, I can't create a WET (White Entertainment Television) channel, can I? That'd be grossly racist and insensitive. I don't believe that there's a white history month where I can proudly proclaim that I'm a European American.

I'll break it down for you. European Americans (especially straight, white, Christian, mentally fit men) have had ample recognition, opportunities, and privilege afforded to them. Until recently, black Americans, female Americans and other minority Americans (yeah, I said minority) have not only been denied opportunities to make history - but have also been unceremoniously edited from it as well. Black history month focuses on some of the lesser known and otherwise ignored significant events and people in American history.

It bothers me that there has to be a month set aside to celebrate black history - but my reasons are way different from yours.

Why does it bother you so much?

Vincent
05-01-2010, 09:55 AM
There's a good argument to be made that anyone who is not a straight, white, Christian, mentally fit male has or will experience some form of oppression during their lifetime.

Your inexperience with children explains the blithering ignorance behind that statement. Having reared two of the above referenced, I can tell you that they might as well have had bullseyes on their backs. This society is so stacked against them it was painful to watch. And despite all that, they succeeded.

I have always been struck that the ninnies that espouse darwinism as the beautiful "order" of things have constricted the society to the extent that children aren't allowed to be children.

European Americans (especially straight, white, Christian, mentally fit men) have had ample recognition, opportunities, and privilege afforded to them.

"Afforded them"? Who TF "afforded" "them" anything. We earned anything and everything we have, a "phenomenon" that severely pisses off the left.

You wretched snivelling lazy useless comewads can't bear the thought that someone works and achieves. Anyone who sets foot on this land has the same opportunity to achieve. Its entirely incumbent in the individual to decide whether to avail himself of the resources to equip himself to succeed, and then work to do so.

"Wealth" sends you pond slime into orbit because it is the representation of success. It is the accumulation of the fruits of labor. And because you lack what it takes to succeed you steal another's hard earned worth through the cowardice of gubmint fiat.

Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. - Winston Churchill

Until recently, black Americans, female Americans and other minority Americans (yeah, I said minority) have not only been denied opportunities to make history - but have also been unceremoniously edited from it as well.

The people that make history are the one that actually do something noteworthy. As your team controls all "media" and "education" who else would be to blame for historic "oversights"? :jerkit: in your hat.

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-01-2010, 10:00 AM
There's a good argument to be made that anyone who is not a straight, white, Christian, mentally fit male has or will experience some form of oppression during their lifetime.

Every once in a great while you have a sane...rational post.


This aint it.

Leftoverhard
05-01-2010, 11:24 AM
Your inexperience with children explains the blithering ignorance behind that statement. Having reared two of the above referenced, I can tell you that they might as well have had bullseyes on their backs. This society is so stacked against them it was painful to watch. And despite all that, they succeeded.

Wow - amazing. Really. And with a bullseye on their backs no less. Extraordinary. And with you as a father.

I have always been struck that the ninnies that espouse darwinism as the beautiful "order" of things have constricted the society to the extent that children aren't allowed to be children.

Tangent alert. If it doesn't have something about socialism, communism, darwinism or libs, it wasn't penned by Vincent.

"Afforded them"? Who TF "afforded" "them" anything. We earned anything and everything we have, a "phenomenon" that severely pisses off the "black people"

Who's we? I said "mentally fit."

You wretched snivelling lazy useless comewads

I've stood by while you've called me all kinds of disgusting names but that's about enough. You say "left" but right here you mean to say black people and you really make no bones about it. Or another word you use for black people. You must be one of those old guys who returns fruit to grocery store. Miserable.

can't bear the thought that someone works and achieves. Anyone who sets foot on this land has the same opportunity to achieve. Its entirely incumbent in the individual to decide whether to avail himself of the resources to equip himself to succeed, and then work to do so.

You love a good cop-out don't you? Vincent and all the other white men are hard-working, boot-strap pulling stand-up kinda guys (and don't forget - internet name-callers) and everyone else is lazy.

"Wealth" sends you pond slime into orbit because it is the representation of success. It is the accumulation of the fruits of labor. And because you lack what it takes to succeed you steal another's hard earned worth through the cowardice of gubmint fiat.

Living the dream, Vince.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. - Winston Churchill

Vincent
05-01-2010, 12:31 PM
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. - Winston Churchill

Ironic that the quote you chose betrays you.

You say "left" but right here you mean to say black people and you really make no bones about it. Or another word you use for black people.

"you mean to say black people" ? No, I said what I meant. You chose to alter what I said in your quote...

Quote:
"Afforded them"? Who TF "afforded" "them" anything. We earned anything and everything we have, a "phenomenon" that severely pisses off the "black people"

What I said was...

"Afforded them"? Who TF "afforded" "them" anything. We earned anything and everything we have, a "phenomenon" that severely pisses off the left.

If you can't make a point without lying, don't post it.

I've stood by while you've called me all kinds of disgusting names but that's about enough.

If you could comprehend what you read, you'd have known that I was generalizing when I said...

You wretched snivelling lazy useless comewads... and...
"Wealth" sends you pond slime into orbit

The literate immediately recognize those to be in the plural. But "you're so vain, you probably think this song is about you".

When I read your sniveling I see Albert in the Bird Cage. That was directed at you. Feel free to shriek and fumble for your Pirin tablets.

MACH1
05-01-2010, 12:43 PM
Poor little picked on bentover, it's always somebody's else's fault but your own. Blaming "the man" for your short comings.

cloppbeast
05-01-2010, 03:21 PM
interesting article. not too shabby. just two issues. the small pox to the indians hidden in blankets is a myth and has been debunked by quite a few historians.

This doesn't hide the fact whites killed many native americans. Whether with guns ore with blankets - murder is murder..

MACH1
05-01-2010, 04:10 PM
I'm sure native americans killed a few 'whites' in the process too. :noidea:

Vincent
05-01-2010, 04:15 PM
I'm sure native americans killed a few 'whites' in the process too. :noidea:

That's why they call it "cowboys and Indians".

Preacher
05-01-2010, 04:24 PM
I absolutely love this myth of the peaceful Indian being killed by the horrid white man.

Good fiction can be so fun!

Reality--usually isn't as much fun. Such as the introduction of the horse led to Great Plain tribes greatly expanding THEIR OWN NATIONS. Or shall we try the wars between Indian nations? It sure is sad that people think American Indian warriors came about in 1492.

Here, in 1701- As told in a Passamaquoddy narrative: Long ago, the Indians were always fighting against each other. They struck one another bloodily. There were many men, women and children who alike were tormented by these constant battles…It seemed as if all were tired of how they had lived wrongly. The great chiefs said to the others, "Looking back from here the way we have come, we see that we have left bloody tracks. We see many wrongs. And as for these bloody hatchets, and bows, arrows, they must be buried forever." Then they all set about deciding to join with one another in a confederacy.


And that confederacy. BTW, was against the colonies and understandably so.

And by the way, here's a little better timeline, showing that battles and wars were started by BOTH the Indian nations and "whites" http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1008.html


In Short- I do not negate the death that the colonization brought, nor the horrid reneging of treaties. However, I do negate the great "Indian myth" that they lived in peace and harmony with each other and the earth. They were warring amongst themselves, destroying each other, as was every other people on every other continent. The native Americans are no better, and no worse.

AllD
05-01-2010, 05:13 PM
I have been discriminated against my entire life as a blue eyed, left- handed Pollock. I have seen the mountain.

Vincent
05-01-2010, 05:20 PM
Preacher, lets try to stick to the "theme" here - "White European Homophobes Invade Paradise and Shamelessly Murder the Peace Loving Indigenous Peoples", which precedes "Descendants of White European Homophobes Settle and Build Demon Nation on the Backs of Minorities", the "point" of the thread. Do I have that right Lefty?

I have been discriminated against my entire life as a blue eyed, left- handed Pollock. I have seen the mountain.

Speaking of discrimination, this is a right handed country. I have been done wrong as well AIID. The Lefty haters and their goons, the designers and architects, have abused us enough!! Where do we redress grievances? I demand reparations!! I want a damn Porsche!!

MasterOfPuppets
05-01-2010, 05:46 PM
I have been discriminated against my entire life as a blue eyed, left- handed Pollock. I have seen the mountain.

you should organize a millionman march...:thumbsup:

cloppbeast
05-01-2010, 07:11 PM
I'm sure native americans killed a few 'whites' in the process too. :noidea:

No doubt. As caucasions invaded their terrority and proceeded to steal it, I'd say the Natives had a moral justification for killing whites.

Vincent
05-01-2010, 07:24 PM
As caucasions invaded their terrority and proceeded to steal it, I'd say the Natives had a moral justification for killing whites.

Doze waskewy Caucasians!

HometownGal
05-01-2010, 08:11 PM
My trigger finger is getting REALLY itchy. The personal attacks in this thread stop here and NOW or Mama Bear's finger is going to hit the button.

Capeche?

steelwalls
05-01-2010, 08:31 PM
Like XLT I grew up as the minority in my home town and school. I currently live in China...whewwww minority. Ive been denied service called racist names and descriminated against allmost my whole life...but being white I really wouldnt know how it feels????

JackHammer
05-02-2010, 01:01 AM
This fails to explain Michael Jackson :scratchchin:

Preacher
05-02-2010, 01:10 AM
This fails to explain Michael Jackson :scratchchin:

:rofl::rofl:

WH
05-02-2010, 08:16 AM
you should organize a millionman march...:thumbsup:
id sign up but as i write my name i would smear the other participants names.


maybe i should write everything in arabic from now on...

Indo
05-02-2010, 11:38 AM
Yep
I'm a lefty , too
I'm thinking about suing every one of those sons-o-biatches that are too insensitive to provide non-smearing ink in their pens

Vincent
05-02-2010, 11:55 AM
Yep
I'm a lefty , too
I'm thinking about suing every one of those sons-o-biatches that are too insensitive to provide non-smearing ink in their pens

People point and laugh when we write. Maybe that's why they call it "write".

WH
05-02-2010, 12:05 PM
it's a sad day and age when our only pop culture spokeperson is Ned Flanders.

xfl2001fan
05-02-2010, 04:52 PM
There's a good argument to be made that anyone who is not a straight, white, Christian, mentally fit male has or will experience some form of oppression during their lifetime. In other words, not you. Has or will? Really? Make the argument then.

If everyone (but me) is oppressed...then where exactly does that leave me? Am I suddenly the oppressor? If so, what exactly have I done wrong? I need facts here. I need data. I need proof that I'm somehow responsible for all these issues that appear to be out there. Personally, I think the oppressors are the oppressed who are looking for a handout. It's easy to chain yourself down, reach for a handout and say...Poor Pitiful Me. Nobody needs to see why you were chained...only that you are chained...and anybody who argues against the real issue (the ones doing the "chaining") is labled an oppressor.

Knowing why people are chained down is far more important than the "fact" that they are chained down. In some circumstances...it is just a bad set of circumstances. But I've seen far too many where that's not the case.

Unfortunately, you may never even understand what that really means. I say "unfortunately" because although there is definitely a lot of truth to the old saying "Ignorance is bliss," there's also another great saying that applies to your question - "You can't hold a man down without staying down with him." In that way of thinking, you could say that we are all oppressed and will continue to be until we can all get back up again.
What's to understand? What is keeping any non straight, white, Christian mentally fit male from stepping up and improving their lives? I'd hate to think that (as a Soldier)...that what I'm fighting for is all for naught. I know I go out and represent freedom. But what, I forgot... I'm a "straight, white, Christian, mentally fit male" which makes me the oppressor. Right?


I'll break it down for you. European Americans (especially straight, white, Christian, mentally fit men) have had ample recognition, opportunities, and privilege afforded to them.
Ample recognition, opportunities and privileges? Really? So the NAACP is going to get me a scholarship I didn't earn on my own? I'm pretty sure that I was born into some pretty shitty circumstances (my mother was a single female parent trying to raise 6 kids.) I'm pretty sure that I had to study hard to get the grades I got. I'm pretty sure that the school I went to...was one where I was a minority. I'm also pretty damn sure that a job I earned (through hard work and passing the correct tests) was taken away from me for a defect (hearing loss) that wasn't necessarily my fault...and so I had to adjust fire and take a different MOS (job specialty). I know for a fact that I earned every promotion I've gotten through hard work, proper study and doing my job to the best of my ability. Sometimes that means working extra hours, taking an extra shift, or doing nasty jobs (like cleaning up a pile of shit that someone thought it would be funny to leave in the showers.) When our CHT system backed up (basically our Sewage system) I was one of the people (because of my training and the fact that I was on duty on those given nights when there was an issue) who was forced to clean up huge messes of some of the nastiest "brown water" you'll never come across.

I also know that I qualify for food stamps, WIC and all sorts of other programs despite the fact that I've been busting my ass off for 12+ years working for Uncle Sam. I don't ask for the handouts...because I find a way to overcome it all. Not because I'm a "straight, white, Christian, mentally fit male"...but because I'm a hard working man who is hell bent on providing my kids with a better life than I grew up with (so far, I've been successful in that venture.)

But yeah...I'm the oppressor.
Until recently, black Americans, female Americans and other minority Americans (yeah, I said minority) have not only been denied opportunities to make history - but have also been unceremoniously edited from it as well. Black history month focuses on some of the lesser known and otherwise ignored significant events and people in American history.
I know the history...but that's the best part about history. We've learned (mostly) from our mistakes. The question is...what's the actual issue today? Mostly, it's pansy ass mother****ers who want to walk on eggshells with their PC bullshit....and lazy ass dipshits looking for a free handout.

It bothers me that there has to be a month set aside to celebrate black history - but my reasons are way different from yours.

Why does it bother you so much?
I don't mind a black history month...so long as we have something to celebrate every body. You see, I want it all. I want a month for women's history. I want a black history. I want a Latino history. I want a White history. Or I want none of them. I either want something that shows what we've all done...or I want nothing to be available that highlights our differences. Because I can guaran-damn-tee you that you bleed just as easily as I do. Which means, regardless of race, ethincity, sexual preference, religion or any of that...you are the same as I am. We are Equal.

I want our differences to be highlighted by our choices...not by our DNA.

My brother and I are very very very different people. Not because of our DNA...but because of the plethora of piss poor choices he's made in his life...and the series of good choices (sprinkled with the dumb) in mine. One of us is a very successful family man...the other is a guy who can hardly keep himself off the street, out of jail and out of trouble.

It has nothing to do with who's white. It has nothing to do with who's straight. It has nothing to do with religion. It has EVERYTHING to do with choices.

Until we all can get on THAT page...we will continue to sink.

But it's too easy to say, don't point the finger at the poor chained down african american you white Christian straight mentally and physically fit elitist. It's far far easier doing that...than it is to say, you can make a difference in your own life...when you're ready.

urgle burgle
05-02-2010, 04:58 PM
This doesn't hide the fact whites killed many native americans. Whether with guns ore with blankets - murder is murder..

i am aware of that. just correcting a myth. accuracy counts.

Godfather
05-02-2010, 05:09 PM
i am aware of that. just correcting a myth. accuracy counts.

Conservatives should make a bigger deal about that. It's one of the best arguments against letting the federal government have power.

GBMelBlount
05-02-2010, 05:26 PM
Conservatives should make a bigger deal about that. It's one of the best arguments against letting the federal government have power.

Actually, couldn't you use just about everything the government has ever done as arguments against giving them more power. :chuckle:

urgle burgle
05-02-2010, 05:48 PM
Actually, couldn't you use just about everything the government has ever done as arguments against giving them more power. :chuckle:

mostly....but govt. does make damn good cheese.

Vincent
05-02-2010, 06:04 PM
mostly....but govt. does make damn good cheese.

They bought it.

urgle burgle
05-02-2010, 06:27 PM
now you just ruined my day.

Vincent
05-02-2010, 06:31 PM
now you just ruined my day.

As well as they do in all the other businesses they're in, you really don't want them making your cheese.

MasterOfPuppets
05-02-2010, 06:33 PM
They bought it. made in china ...:chuckle:

MACH1
05-02-2010, 06:52 PM
They bought it.

Yeah, but it's FREE.

:rolleyes:

Dino 6 Rings
05-03-2010, 01:26 PM
I think its funny how people forget about world history when having these debates.

so I'm to understand that in the history of my ancestors, there was never any oppression because I'm white?

I mean, Serbian, Sicilian, Dutch, German, none of them have ever been oppressed, or conquered in the history of the world? Is that what I'm to believe? Really? I mean, in the history of the world. my heritage is completely free from opression and being murdered? Right? Is that the ticket?

I got an idea, and this is for anyone that thinks I owe them something because I'm a White American Male.

Go Ef Yourself. Go Ef Yourself Hard.

I don't owe you crap. I didn't get crap. My step-father was a trucker, my mother was a secretary, growing up in New Jersey with my Yugoslavian last name was no effing picnic. I had to fight and claw my way through life just as much as any other person on this earth. So you were born into Poverty, big effing deal, I remember years of eating nothing but hotdogs and soup because we were too broke to get anything else. I remember rough times, but guess what, you get through it, and now, as a parent, I'm doing everything I can to give my children a better life. Owe you? I don't owe you shiiiit. I don't want nothing from you, I don't need nothing from you, but Godddamn if I'm going to give you my sweat and tears and blood so you can sit around and not Freaking Try to better yourself.

This is America, and here, in this land, if you try, you can succeed, if you fail, you get yourself back up and try again. Color doesn't effing matter, what matters is Will to Try.

I don't need a White Network, or White Holidays, I don't need recognition for anything other than the smile on my children's faces when I am able to bless them with some wonderful meal or toy or clothes. however, if you try to TAKE from me, my hard earned cash because you refuse to work yourself, well then, I say, Go Ef Yourself Hard. Hard I say.

K, getting off my Ivory soap box now.

WH
05-03-2010, 01:32 PM
K, getting off my Ivory soap box now.

http://www.creepygif.com/images/full/10.gif

Leftoverhard
05-03-2010, 04:50 PM
I think its funny how people forget about world history when having these debates.

so I'm to understand that in the history of my ancestors, there was never any oppression because I'm white?

I mean, Serbian, Sicilian, Dutch, German, none of them have ever been oppressed, or conquered in the history of the world? Is that what I'm to believe? Really? I mean, in the history of the world. my heritage is completely free from opression and being murdered? Right? Is that the ticket?

I got an idea, and this is for anyone that thinks I owe them something because I'm a White American Male.

Go Ef Yourself. Go Ef Yourself Hard.

I don't owe you crap. I didn't get crap. My step-father was a trucker, my mother was a secretary, growing up in New Jersey with my Yugoslavian last name was no effing picnic. I had to fight and claw my way through life just as much as any other person on this earth. So you were born into Poverty, big effing deal, I remember years of eating nothing but hotdogs and soup because we were too broke to get anything else. I remember rough times, but guess what, you get through it, and now, as a parent, I'm doing everything I can to give my children a better life. Owe you? I don't owe you shiiiit. I don't want nothing from you, I don't need nothing from you, but Godddamn if I'm going to give you my sweat and tears and blood so you can sit around and not Freaking Try to better yourself.

This is America, and here, in this land, if you try, you can succeed, if you fail, you get yourself back up and try again. Color doesn't effing matter, what matters is Will to Try.

I don't need a White Network, or White Holidays, I don't need recognition for anything other than the smile on my children's faces when I am able to bless them with some wonderful meal or toy or clothes. however, if you try to TAKE from me, my hard earned cash because you refuse to work yourself, well then, I say, Go Ef Yourself Hard. Hard I say.

K, getting off my Ivory soap box now.

Who's talking about anyone owing anybody anything? What I wrote was very specific - and it had nothing to do with white men owing anybody anything.
What did you read that got you all upset? I really don't understand why what I wrote got a couple of you guys all twisted. We're talking about America here - now, in the present. Talking about Black history month and what an atrocity it is.

WH
05-03-2010, 04:53 PM
Talking about Black history month and what an atrocity it is.http://www.creepygif.com/images/full/10.gif

Bng_Hevn
05-03-2010, 05:16 PM
No doubt. As caucasions invaded their terrority and proceeded to steal it, I'd say the Natives had a moral justification for killing whites.

I don't agree with the "slaughtering" of native americans, but in the end they were either gong to die or live in peace.

They chose to die.

When you have a land as rich as this country, there is absolutely NO WAY that the native americans would have held on to it. Someone, and yes that someone would have been white, was bound to come here and take it.

Law of the land: survival of the fittest.

beSteelmyheart
05-03-2010, 05:39 PM
Forgive me for changing the subject & please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this law come about because the legal citizens/government are getting sick of the crime that the illegals bring with them? Aren't most of the illegals in that area naturally from Mexico?
I'd bet that if North Dakota had a problem with a white Canadian crime wave, something would eventually be done about it, but it's funny how that just doesn't seem to happen.:wink02:

Dino 6 Rings
05-03-2010, 05:40 PM
Who's talking about anyone owing anybody anything? What I wrote was very specific - and it had nothing to do with white men owing anybody anything.
What did you read that got you all upset? I really don't understand why what I wrote got a couple of you guys all twisted. We're talking about America here - now, in the present. Talking about Black history month and what an atrocity it is.

"I'll break it down for you. European Americans (especially straight, white, Christian, mentally fit men) have had ample recognition, opportunities, and privilege afforded to them. Until recently, black Americans, female Americans and other minority Americans (yeah, I said minority) have not only been denied opportunities to make history - but have also been unceremoniously edited from it as well. Black history month focuses on some of the lesser known and otherwise ignored significant events and people in American history. "

Ample recognition, opportunites and priveldge...Blah Blah Blah Blah

I call BS. I'm not a Rockafella, my parents aren't "rich white folks" Priveledge? really? I had the priveledge of working in a gas station at 16, then working as a stock boy, then working in a movie theatre, then joining the Army to find my own way. What fcking priveledge exactly did I have? Because I'm white I got those jobs? Really? Then explain the 3 puerto rican chicks, 2 Vietnemese kids, 1 Black guy (Cliff, love ya man) that I worked with ever day at the theatre. Or maybe, while I was in the Army, it was my "white priveledge" that had me Gaurding Garbage so officers would recycle, or my "white priveledge" that had me getting gassed while in the field with CS when I was in a "nuetral site" working on my tank track. Yeah, I was so fcking priveledged to get that wasn't I. Nothing so wonderful as having someone yell "gas gas gas" when you're up to your ears in mud working on the inside road wheels of an M1A2 Heavy Tank. Joy to the world. I should feel so priveledged.

That's what got me on my soap box. That right there. You want to Lump ME into a group of what is it? "straight, white, Christian, mentally fit men" as if I've had some type of leg up on life. Well I didn't. I didn't have a leg up. My mother still lives in the same townhouse I grew up in, she's been there 38 years, how nice for her, living there where the neighbors are a couple pieces of sheet rock away. How blessed she must feel everyday living in that home. Lucky her. Lucky that she has worked her fingers to the bones her entire life so she could afford herself a little luxary and get herself a nice TV for her living room that she can make loud enough to not have to hear the nieghbor's. Oh blessed is she. Such "priveledge" she has had.

Want more? I'm not the guy you want in this debate.

My my Grandfather on my Father's side was "lucky" when he was fighting against the Nazis as part of the Merchant Marines and had his vessle hit with a torpedo. Maybe my Great Uncle on my mothers side was lucky when he was in the Navy running support across the Atlantic to get supplies to Africa, or my Grandfather on my Mother's side, how lucky for him to get to fly bombers over Europe to defend MY Future!. Oh so lucky and priveledged my heritage has been. So lucky my Father was in the Army in the 60s, and my Step Father was in the Marines in the late 50s. Oh so blessed are we "white males" that we have just had everything given to us.

I'll say it again.

To anyone that tries to say I have had priveledge because I am a White Male living in the United States of America.

Go Ef Yourself Hard.

Mine is just one story among millions. Irish, Russian, Polish, English, German, Italian, French, Swiss, Swedish, on and on and on. Tired of being told we are Priveledged for what we have EARNED.

Leftoverhard
05-03-2010, 09:03 PM
I had the priveledge of working in a gas station at 16, then working as a stock boy, then working in a movie theatre, then joining the Army to find my own way. What fcking priveledge exactly did I have? Because I'm white I got those jobs? Really?

Privilege: Never said it. Not once. You heard it that way. It's called projecting.

That right there. You want to Lump ME into a group of what is it? "straight, white, Christian, mentally fit men" as if I've had some type of leg up on life. Well I didn't. I didn't have a leg up.

Not a leg up. Again - projecting something here. And of course this is a generalization - seriously. Generally speaking, if a white male is the control number, everyone else is BELOW that. That's not having a leg up - rather more like other groups having a leg down. No one is saying that you didn't have it hard - but generally speaking, if you have it hard, as a white male, a black woman or a mexican disabled person is going to have it that much harder. Sorry - if you can't imagine this concept - then you never will.

MattsMe
05-03-2010, 09:19 PM
I'll break it down for you. European Americans (especially straight, white, Christian, mentally fit men) have had ample recognition, opportunities, and privilege afforded to them.

Privilege: Never said it. Not once. You heard it that way. It's called projecting.

:huh:

Vincent
05-03-2010, 09:25 PM
:huh:

When he's not altering peoples quotes to serve his "point", he's denying he said something that is there for all to see. "Projecting"? :jerkit:

When you're a leftist, its OK to lie because the whole thing's a lie.

Preacher
05-04-2010, 05:34 AM
I don't agree with the "slaughtering" of native americans, but in the end they were either gong to die or live in peace.

They chose to die.

When you have a land as rich as this country, there is absolutely NO WAY that the native americans would have held on to it. Someone, and yes that someone would have been white, was bound to come here and take it.

Law of the land: survival of the fittest.

That isn't quite the way the history worked out.

Peace treaties were made with them, giving them land and peace. Then, they would get "renegotiated" ignoring those treaties and pushing them off those lands. The way they were treated was absolutely horrid-and should never be denied or lessened.

I don't however, have a problem with the fact that nations go to war- whether its indian nations with european nations, indian nations with themselves, or indian nations against the US. Major wars were fought on the N. American continent during expansion. The law of the world was imperial expansion, and you either clawed to the top, or were subsumed by others. In that day and age, the US climbed to the top. No tears shed there.

Again, it is the treaty violations and backstabbing that I have a major problem with.

Dino 6 Rings
05-04-2010, 09:44 AM
Privilege: Never said it. Not once. You heard it that way. It's called projecting. .

You're Quote:

"I'll break it down for you. European Americans (especially straight, white, Christian, mentally fit men) have had ample recognition, opportunities, and privilege afforded to them."


You said it. I disagree with it, Now you Lie about saying it, when its on record.

I see you for the forked tongue you truly are.

MasterOfPuppets
05-04-2010, 09:53 AM
white devil speak with forked tongue .....:toofunny:

xfl2001fan
05-04-2010, 10:04 AM
Privilege: Never said it. Not once. You heard it that way. It's called projecting.



Not a leg up. Again - projecting something here. And of course this is a generalization - seriously. Generally speaking, if a white male is the control number, everyone else is BELOW that. That's not having a leg up - rather more like other groups having a leg down. No one is saying that you didn't have it hard - but generally speaking, if you have it hard, as a white male, a black woman or a mexican disabled person is going to have it that much harder. Sorry - if you can't imagine this concept - then you never will.

You did say priveleged...but at the same time, that's been anotated twice already.

Not a leg up...but everybody else has a leg down? That's absolutely retarded.

So, white men aren't on top (per se)...it's just that everybody else is below them? That's how it reads.

Sorry if you can't imagine the concept that you are flat out wrong and that your statement is completely bass ackwards, but it's quite obvious that you never will.

I won't deny saying that your statement is hypocritical and retarded. Because that's exactly what I'm saying. No projection involved. Just want to get that part clear.

If everyone (but white mentally fit, straight, Christian men) has a leg down...then (by default) that means that white mentall fit, straight Christian men have a leg up. Period. No way around it.

Life is harder for "minorities" because we have entirely too many people telling them that life is harder for them. There are more funds, charities and organizations out there that benefit "minorities" than there are for us White, Mentally Fit, Straight, Christian Men.

I lived 3 minutes away from "The Projects" when I was in HS. The few black men who grew up there that tried to improve their lives (via education) were labled Uncle Tom's. Who's holding those guys back? It wasn't a White, Mentally Fit, Straight, Christian Man. It was their own neighbors. And why? For what? I have seen it all too often. If you can't see that, that's on you.

I love the whole "why is everyone picking on me, what'd I say" mentality you are trying to push here after you were called out for your ludicrous statements.


When I was preparing for bootcamp, my recruiter told me something that has absolutely resonated throughout the rest of my life. If you go into bootcamp thinking, this sucks, this sucks...it will suck. But if you go into bootcamp with the mentality that it's only temporary and it's really not that bad...it won't be that bad. I made a choice every morning, afternoon and evening to stand by that philosophy....and bootcamp (for me) wasn't nearly as hard as the whiners and complainers.

Choose that mentality in life...and all aspects of it. It's true. But if you go through life saying to yourself (or to others) about how hard life is...you'll wind up with far too many able bodies who are looking for a handout to get through life. There are no handouts in bootcamp...there shouldn't be in life. Only privileges that you earn through CHOICEs that you make (or disciplines through poor CHOICEs.)

(In your case, everytime that I see you've posted...I think to myself...he's about to say something idiotic. And 90% of the time, it's true. Please help me change my mind by altering your thinking to something a little more realistic and wise.)

Vincent
05-04-2010, 11:59 AM
Not a leg up...but everybody else has a leg down? That's absolutely retarded.

Our parents told us not to lie for a lot of reasons, not least of which is we have to keep track of all the lies.

Leftism has no foundation in reality, so its impossible for a leftist to present a coherent position. And that is the extent of any sympathy I have for them..

SteelMember
05-04-2010, 12:09 PM
I lived 3 minutes away from "The Projects" when I was in HS. The few black men who grew up there that tried to improve their lives (via education) were labled Uncle Tom's. Who's holding those guys back? It wasn't a White, Mentally Fit, Straight, Christian Man. It was their own neighbors. And why? For what? I have seen it all too often. If you can't see that, that's on you.

Something called crabs in a basket (http://neohoodoo.blogspot.com/2008/04/crabs-in-basket_29.html), and it is a message based on an African American adage.

"As a single crab tries to climb out, it's pulled back by others at the bottom."

Vincent
05-04-2010, 12:19 PM
"As a single crab tries to climb out, it's pulled back by others at the bottom."

Yikes!! What a curse.

Steel_12
05-04-2010, 04:29 PM
you should organize a millionman march...:thumbsup:

I was there and there were plenty of white people in attendance.

WH
05-04-2010, 04:32 PM
I was there and there were plenty of white people in attendance.

there was a million man march for left handed people?

Steel_12
05-04-2010, 04:46 PM
I don't mind a black history month...so long as we have something to celebrate every body. You see, I want it all. I want a month for women's history. I want a black history. I want a Latino history. I want a White history. Or I want none of them. I either want something that shows what we've all done...or I want nothing to be available that highlights our differences. Because I can guaran-damn-tee you that you bleed just as easily as I do. Which means, regardless of race, ethincity, sexual preference, religion or any of that...you are the same as I am. We are Equal.

But the reason we have Black History Month is because we don't learn about the black pioneers everyday in school like we learn about the white pioneers. Textbooks aren't geared toward treating people equally when it comes to history. I agree that we are all one race, human.

Steel_12
05-04-2010, 04:54 PM
there was a million man march for left handed people?

Yep

xfl2001fan
05-04-2010, 08:28 PM
But the reason we have Black History Month is because we don't learn about the black pioneers everyday in school like we learn about the white pioneers. Textbooks aren't geared toward treating people equally when it comes to history. I agree that we are all one race, human.

See, but what is happening is that we are allowing ourselves to concentrate more on our differences. We learn about "white pioneers" in the textbooks because, initially in this country, they were the pioneers. It's an unfortunate part of our history that we did have slaves...and that slavery was based on the color of a man's skin.

It's an unfortunate part of our history that (after slavery was abolished) we continued to distinguish the differences based on the color of our skin.

When are we going to learn from our mistakes? Black history month shouldn't be a month at all...

There were a lot of great achievements made by a lot of great men. DR. MLK was a great example. He wasn't a great black man. He was a great man who wanted equality for everybody. His dream was about people coming together and ignoring the differences in skin color.

But that gets lost in the shuffle.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Character is nothing more than the choices you make in any given situation. There is no "black" character...nor is there a "white" character.

Some people choose to shine on the physical differences (as if it's an excuse). I see men and women...some grown up and logically thinking. Others who have so much more to learn, no matter how intellectual/educated they may be.

Those that continue to discuss things in "black and white" are as much a part of the problem as those who truly act on the "black or white". There are men and women...and people who need to grow up. That's it. Make the right choices in life...and you'll find yourself in a better spot. We won't all be millionaires...because a certain amount of luck must be involved for that...but that doesn't mean that we won't find ourselves in better spots.

And sometimes, bad things happen to good people for reasons unkown. It isn't about being black or white when that stuff happens. I had a transmission blow on my Cavalier...and the driveshaft depart from the transmission in my wifes van...in a span of a couple of months. Has nothing to do with me being black or white. Just a bit of bad luck. I've gotten one of those fixed (the van) and am working on replacing my Cavalier even now. I didn't wallow around in self-pity asking for a handout. I chose to find an alternative means of fixing the situation. It meant riding my bicycle 19 miles (one way) to work...because I needed to keep working. That meant getting up earlier in the morning...and getting home a lot later than usual...and being more tired than usual.

Choices.

Vincent
05-04-2010, 10:26 PM
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html
The Forgotten Slaves: Whites in Servitude in Early America and Industrial Britain

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White children enslaved in a mine in 19th century England. The two on the left are virtually naked. Children of both sexes worked in this manner.

by Michael A. Hoffman II ©Copyright 1999. All Rights Reserved

Two years ago, Prime Minister Paul Keating of Australia refused to show "proper respect" to Britain's Queen Elizabeth II during her state visit. In response, Terry Dicks, a Conservative member of the British Parliament said, "It's a country of ex-convicts, so we should not be surprised by the rudeness of their prime minister."

A slur such as this would be considered unthinkable if it were uttered against any other class or race of people except the descendants of White slavery. Dicks' remark is not only offensive, it is ignorant and false. Most of Australia's "convicts" were shipped into servitude for such "crimes" as stealing seven yards of lace, cutting trees on an aristocrat's estate or poaching sheep to feed a starving family.

The arrogant disregard for the holocaust visited upon the poor and working class Whites of Britain by the aristocracy continues in our time because the history of that epoch has been almost completely extirpated from our collective memory.

When White servitude is acknowledged as having existed in America, it is almost always termed as temporary "indentured servitude" or part of the convict trade, which, after the Revolution of 1776, centered on Australia instead of America. The "convicts" transported to America under the 1723 Waltham Act, perhaps numbered 100,000.

The indentured servants who served a tidy little period of 4 to 7 years polishing the master's silver and china and then taking their place in colonial high society, were a minuscule fraction of the great unsung hundreds of thousands of White slaves who were worked to death in this country from the early l7th century onward.

Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America's first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too.

Whites were auctioned on the block with children sold and separated from their parents and wives sold and separated from their husbands. Free Black property owners strutted the streets of northern and southern American cities while White slaves were worked to death in the sugar mills of Barbados and Jamaica and the plantations of Virginia.

The Establishment has created the misnomer of "indentured servitude" to explain away and minimize the fact of White slavery. But bound Whites in early America called themselves slaves. Nine-tenths of the White slavery in America was conducted without indentures of any kind but according to the so-called "custom of the country," as it was known, which was lifetime slavery administered by the White slave merchants themselves.

In George Sandys laws for Virginia, Whites were enslaved "forever." The service of Whites bound to Berkeley's Hundred was deemed "perpetual." These accounts have been policed out of the much touted "standard reference works" such as Abbott Emerson Smith's laughable whitewash, Colonists in Bondage.

I challenge any researcher to study 17th century colonial America, sifting the documents, the jargon and the statutes on both sides of the Atlantic and one will discover that White slavery was a far more extensive operation than Black enslavement. It is when we come to the 18th century that one begins to encounter more "servitude" on the basis of a contract of indenture. But even in that period there was kidnapping of Anglo-Saxons into slavery as well as convict slavery.

In 1855, Frederic Law Olmsted, the landscape architect who designed New York's Central Park, was in Alabama on a pleasure trip and saw bales of cotton being thrown from a considerable height into a cargo ship's hold. The men tossing the bales somewhat recklessly into the hold were Negroes, the men in the hold were Irish.

Olmsted inquired about this to a shipworker. "Oh," said the worker, "the ******s are worth too much to be risked here; if the Paddies are knocked overboard or get their backs broke, nobody loses anything."

Before British slavers traveled to Africa's western coast to buy Black slaves from African chieftains, they sold their own White working class kindred ("the surplus poor" as they were known) from the streets and towns of England, into slavery. Tens of thousands of these White slaves were kidnapped children. In fact the very origin of the word kidnapped is kid-nabbed, the stealing of White children for enslavement.

According to the English Dictionary of the Underworld, under the heading kidnapper is the following definition: "A stealer of human beings, esp. of children; originally for exportation to the plantations of North America."

The center of the trade in child-slaves was in the port cities of Britain and Scotland:

"Press gangs in the hire of local merchants roamed the streets, seizing 'by force such boys as seemed proper subjects for the slave trade.' Children were driven in flocks through the town and confined for shipment in barns...So flagrant was the practice that people in the countryside about Aberdeen avoided bringing children into the city for fear they might be stolen; and so widespread was the collusion of merchants, shippers, suppliers and even magistrates that the man who exposed it was forced to recant and run out of town." (Van der Zee, Bound Over, p. 210).

White slaves transported to the colonies suffered a staggering loss of life in the 17th and 18th century. During the voyage to America it was customary to keep the White slaves below deck for the entire nine to twelve week journey. A White slave would be confined to a hole not more than sixteen feet long, chained with 50 other men to a board, with padlocked collars around their necks. The weeks of confinement below deck in the ship's stifling hold often resulted in outbreaks of contagious disease which would sweep through the "cargo" of White "freight" chained in the bowels of the ship.

Ships carrying White slaves to America often lost half their slaves to death. According to historian Sharon V. Salinger, "Scattered data reveal that the mortality for [White] servants at certain times equaled that for [Black] slaves in the 'middle passage,' and during other periods actually exceeded the death rate for [Black] slaves." Salinger reports a death rate of ten to twenty percent over the entire 18th century for Black slaves on board ships enroute to America compared with a death rate of 25% for White slaves enroute to America.

Foster R. Dulles writing in Labor in America: A History, states that whether convicts, children 'spirited' from the countryside or political prisoners, White slaves "experienced discomforts and sufferings on their voyage across the Atlantic that paralleled the cruel hardships undergone by negro slaves on the notorious Middle Passage."

Dulles says the Whites were "indiscriminately herded aboard the 'white guineamen,' often as many as 300 passengers on little vessels of not more than 200 tons burden--overcrowded, unsanitary...The mortality rate was sometimes as high as 50% and young children seldom survived the horrors of a voyage which might last anywhere from seven to twelve weeks."

Independent investigator A.B. Ellis in the Argosy writes concerning the transport of White slaves, "The human cargo, many of whom were still tormented by unhealed wounds, could not all lie down at once without lying on each other. They were never suffered to go on deck. The hatchway was constantly watched by sentinels armed with hangers and blunder busses. In the dungeons below all was darkness, stench, lamentation, disease and death."

Marcus Jernegan describes the greed of the shipmasters which led to horrendous loss of life for White slaves transported to America:

"The voyage over often repeated the horrors of the famous 'middle passage' of slavery fame. An average cargo was three hundred, but the shipmaster, for greater profit, would sometimes crowd as many as six hundred into a small vessel...The mortality under such circumstances was tremendous, sometimes more than half...Mittelberger (an eyewitness) says he saw thirty-two children thrown into the ocean during one voyage."

"The mercantile firms, as importers of (White) servants, were not too careful about their treatment, as the more important purpose of the transaction was to get ships over to South Carolina which could carry local produce back to Europe. Consequently the Irish--as well as others--suffered greatly...

"It was almost as if the British merchants had redirected their vessels from the African coast to the Irish coast, with the white servants coming over in much the same fashion as the African slaves." (Warren B. Smith, White Servitude in Colonial South Carolina).

A study of the middle passage of White slaves was included in a Parliamentary Petition of 1659. It reported that White slaves were locked below deck for two weeks while the slaveship was still in port. Once under way, they were "all the way locked up under decks...amongst horses." They were chained from their legs to their necks.

Those academics who insist that slavery is an exclusively Black racial condition forget or deliberately omit the fact that the word slave originally was a reference to Whites of East European origin - "Slavs."

Moreover, in the 18th century in Britain and America, the Industrial Revolution spawned the factory system whose first laborers were miserably oppressed White children as young as six years of age. They were locked in the factories for sixteen hours a day and mangled by the primitive machinery. Hands and arms were regularly ripped to pieces. Little girls often had their hair caught in the machinery and were scalped from their foreheads to the back of their necks.

White Children wounded and crippled in the factories were turned out without compensation of any kind and left to die of their injuries. Children late to work or who fell asleep were beaten with iron bars. Lest we imagine these horrors were limited to only the early years of the Industrial Revolution, eight and ten year old White children throughout America were hard at work in miserable factories and mines as late as 1920.

Because of the rank prostitution, stupidity and cowardice of America's teachers and educational system, White youth are taught that Black slaves, Mexican peons and Chinese coolies built this country while the vast majority of the Whites lorded it over them with a lash in one hand and a mint julep in the other.

The documentary record tells a very different story, however. When White Congressman David Wilmot authored the Wilmot Proviso to keep Black slaves out of the American West he did so, he said, to preserve that vast expanse of territory for "the sons of toil, my own race and color."

This is precisely what most White people in America were, "sons of toil," performing backbreaking labor such as few of us today can envision. They had no paternalistic welfare system; no Freedman's Bureau to coo sweet platitudes to them; no army of bleeding hearts to worry over their hardships. These Whites were the expendable frontline soldiers in the expansion of the American frontier. They won the country, felled the trees, cleared and planted the land.

The wealthy, educated White elite in America are the sick heirs of what Charles Dickens in Bleak House termed "telescopic philanthropy"--the concern for the condition of distant peoples while the plight of kindred in one's own backyard are ignored.

Soldiers in the American Revolution and sailors impressed into the American navy received upwards of two hundred whiplashes for minor infractions. But no TV show lifts the shirt of these White yeoman to reveal the scars on their backs.

The Establishment would rather weep over the poor persecuted Negroes, but leave the White working class "rednecks" and "crackers" (both of these terms of derision were first applied to White slaves), to live next door to the Blacks.

Little has changed since the early 1800s when the men of property and station of the English Parliament outlawed Black slavery throughout the Empire. While this Parliament was in session to enact this law, ragged five year old White orphan boys, beaten, starved and whipped, were being forced up the chimneys of the English parliament, to clean them. Sometimes the chimney masonry collapsed on these boys. Other times they suffocated to death inside their narrow smoke channels.

Long after Blacks were free throughout the British Empire, the British House of Lords refused to abolish chimney-sweeping by White children under the age of ten. The Lords contended that to do so would interfere with "property rights." The lives of the White children were not worth a farthing and were considered no subject for humanitarian concern.

The chronicle of White slavery in America comprises the dustiest shelf in the darkest corner of suppressed American history. Should the truth about that epoch ever emerge into the public consciousness of Americans, the whole basis for the swindle of "Affirmative action," "minority set-asides" and proposed "Reparations to African-Americans" will be swept away. The fact is, the White working people of this country owe no one. They are themselves the descendants, as Congressman Wilmot so aptly said, of "the sons of toil."

There will only be racial peace when knowledge of radical historical truths are widespread and both sides negotiate from positions of strength and not from fantasies of White working class guilt and the uniqueness of Black suffering.

Let it be said, in many cases Blacks in slavery had it better than poor Whites in the antebellum South. This is why there was such strong resistance to the Confederacy in the poverty-stricken areas of the mountain south, such as Winston County in Alabama and the Beech mountains of North Carolina. Those poor Whites could not imagine why any White laborer would want to die for the slave-owning plutocracy that more often than not, gave better care and attention to their Black servants than they did to the free white labor they scorned as "trash."

To this day, the White ruling class denigrates the White poor and patronizes Blacks.

MasterOfPuppets
05-04-2010, 10:51 PM
:yikes: .... i want reparations dammitt !!! :mad:

Vincent
05-04-2010, 10:57 PM
:yikes: .... i want reparations dammitt !!! :mad:

At this point the Brits don't have that much to cough up. Wouldn't mind some island real estate off the West coast of Scotland. But they didn't do it to us. They did it to our ancestors.

tony hipchest
05-04-2010, 11:07 PM
so anyways... how did we become white people? i wrote a song about it. like to hear it? here it go....

in the beginning we had man,
he lived in the sun and he was tanned.
& even today some people will laugh at ya,
when you try to tell 'em man evolved in africa...

to make a long story short, man was a nomad who migrated too far north where it was cold. this coupled with the ice age pushed them into caves. a different lifestyle than what had been known for about a million years was born. fire, hunting, gathering, society, and a hierarchy became important.

anyone ever see species of fish and bugs that live in caves for thousands of years? they lose their skin pigmentation due to lack of sun exposure.

this is where the concept of freedom was first realized by humankind. one doesnt really know freedom, until it is taken away from them. the neanderthals were held captive by their enviornment, while those in the equatorial regions still enjoyed the free range.

so the white man nomaded back down to the dark man, and told the dark man that they enjoyed true freedom. the dark man asked "what is true freedom?"

so the light man put them in shackles and in cages, and said "here, we will show you".

MasterOfPuppets
05-05-2010, 12:36 AM
At this point the Brits don't have that much to cough up. Wouldn't mind some island real estate off the West coast of Scotland. But they didn't do it to us. They did it to our ancestors.

ancestors lost wages = my lost inheritance ...:tap: i want my reparations !!! :chuckle:

MACH1
05-05-2010, 01:40 AM
At this point the Brits don't have that much to cough up. Wouldn't mind some island real estate off the West coast of Scotland. But they didn't do it to us. They did it to our ancestors.

They have FREE health care. :chuckle:

WH
05-05-2010, 01:46 AM
They have FREE health care. :chuckle:

and a sweet method of parliamentary debate.

urgle burgle
05-05-2010, 03:35 PM
and crumpets!