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jollyrob68
05-05-2010, 01:00 PM
THis was a question on Steelers Addict.
Would you bring Kevin Mawae in for 1 yr at Center and So he can improve the line & Teach Pouncey the tricks of the trade?
I like the Idea but my concern would be the Chemistry with the other lineman.However, if they started Pouncey now they'd have the same adjustment period.So I'd bring in Kevin MAwae.

7willBheaven
05-05-2010, 09:52 PM
No...simple as that. Why bring in someone from outside our system and hope he picks up the plays/etc/etc. I dont think Pouncey needs to learn how to play center. He just needs to get used to the bigger/badder guys in the NFL and learn the plays and he will be fine.

pete74
05-06-2010, 03:42 AM
i would say hell yea. bring in one of the top centers to help pouncey adjust and help our team at the same time

jollyrob68
05-06-2010, 11:05 AM
No...simple as that. Why bring in someone from outside our system and hope he picks up the plays/etc/etc. I dont think Pouncey needs to learn how to play center. He just needs to get used to the bigger/badder guys in the NFL and learn the plays and he will be fine.

OK, My thinking was to Improve our Oline and Help in the running game. Without Ben for 4-6 weeks were going to need to run the ball better. I dont think Pouncey needs to learn how to play center but who's better to teach him than a Pro Bowl Center because HArtwig sucks as a center. Hartwig would then become a versatile veteran backup or release him and save money that can goto Woddley.

jollyrob68
05-06-2010, 11:07 AM
i would say hell yea. bring in one of the top centers to help pouncey adjust and help our team at the same time

Exactly, Help the Team and groom Pouncey.
I was wondering if you think The Steelers would have an issue with him being the Union President? I think not because Charlie is the Union VP.

BKAnthem
05-06-2010, 04:58 PM
He would definitely be a better teacher than Hartwig....but i seriously doubt the FO makes that move

Psyychoward86
05-06-2010, 07:15 PM
No...simple as that. Why bring in someone from outside our system and hope he picks up the plays/etc/etc. I dont think Pouncey needs to learn how to play center. He just needs to get used to the bigger/badder guys in the NFL and learn the plays and he will be fine.

he has played for 3 teams and most likely a lot of different schemes in 17 seasons. Not much for him to learn :noidea:

pete74
05-07-2010, 03:20 AM
Exactly, Help the Team and groom Pouncey.
I was wondering if you think The Steelers would have an issue with him being the Union President? I think not because Charlie is the Union VP.

definatly not. there are teams that think that way which has alot to do why nobody signed him yet but not the steelers.

El-Gonzo Jackson
05-07-2010, 07:52 AM
I said no to Mawae before and will say it again. I also didnt want Jeff Saturday last year when he was out there. Both of these guys are old and light in the weight dept. They succeed on technique, angles and tenacity.

Pouncey can learn what he needs to from Kugler and the film room and watching Hartwig. No need to bring in some old guy past his prime, just to hold a rookie's hand. Its football, not the 1st day of kindergarten.

jollyrob68
05-07-2010, 02:09 PM
I said no to Mawae before and will say it again. I also didnt want Jeff Saturday last year when he was out there. Both of these guys are old and light in the weight dept. They succeed on technique, angles and tenacity.

Pouncey can learn what he needs to from Kugler and the film room and watching Hartwig. No need to bring in some old guy past his prime, just to hold a rookie's hand. Its football, not the 1st day of kindergarten.
Ok, Its not about holding Pounceys hand. Its about getting back to Running the football and he's 100x better than Hartwig. He also paved the way for Chris2k. The whole reason why The Steelers are putting Pouncey at guard is so he learns the calls from the center. Who better to learn from a Pro Bowl Center of Hartwig? I choose The Pro Bowl Center everytime!:tt04:

SMR
05-07-2010, 04:59 PM
he has played for 3 teams and most likely a lot of different schemes in 17 seasons. Not much for him to learn :noidea:

ya got a good point. i would bring him in. wouldn't hurt, methinks.

El-Gonzo Jackson
05-07-2010, 06:07 PM
Ok, Its not about holding Pounceys hand. Its about getting back to Running the football and he's 100x better than Hartwig. He also paved the way for Chris2k. The whole reason why The Steelers are putting Pouncey at guard is so he learns the calls from the center. Who better to learn from a Pro Bowl Center of Hartwig? I choose The Pro Bowl Center everytime!:tt04:

OK, of the 3 division rivals in the AFC south that Mawae and the Titans faced....please tell me which one runs a 3-4 devense with a NT over Mawae??

I'll help you out. None.

That is why a 39 year old C who weighs 289lbs can play effectively in that division. We have all seen how an underweight center struggles in our division. Now you want a 39 year old underweight center.......no thanks, I'll pass and so will the Steelers.

Chidi29
05-07-2010, 07:28 PM
I don't see the value in mentoring either.

I'm sure Hartwig knows plenty. Just because you're not great, doesn't mean you don't know the "tricks of the trade" either.

I'd love to have Trent Dilfer mentor a young QB and Dilfer was an average QB at best.

jollyrob68
05-07-2010, 10:07 PM
OK, of the 3 division rivals in the AFC south that Mawae and the Titans faced....please tell me which one runs a 3-4 devense with a NT over Mawae??

I'll help you out. None.

That is why a 39 year old C who weighs 289lbs can play effectively in that division. We have all seen how an underweight center struggles in our division. Now you want a 39 year old underweight center.......no thanks, I'll pass and so will the Steelers.

He was with the Jets and Played against New England Twice a year when he was there.

tony hipchest
05-08-2010, 12:13 AM
He was with the Jets and Played against New England Twice a year when he was there.and the jets repeatedly got their asses handed to them every year and sucked balls.

then they drafted mangold.

just because a teen plays with his ding-a-ling, doesnt make him a porn star.

El-Gonzo Jackson
05-08-2010, 01:24 AM
He was with the Jets and Played against New England Twice a year when he was there.

Yeah, that was 5 seasons ago when he was 34 years old and they decided to go younger with Nick Mangold. Now the Titans want to get younger too and nobody in the NFL wants him.

Coach Jeff Fisher said he planned to get younger along his offensive line, including at the center position, but that Mawae would have the opportunity to return as a backup.

But Mawae says he hasn't received a call from the Titans, or any other team for that matter, and is starting to wonder as the league is in an uncapped season without an agreement between players and owners. A potential work stoppage has been talked about in 2011 and Mawae suggested that some resentment over his position with the NFLPA is being harbored by owners. http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d817da5a0&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Yeah, its his NFLPA position that is keeping him from getting a job.....not the fact he is 39 years old and only gets to the pro bowl on reputation last year. :headshake:

jollyrob68
05-08-2010, 09:37 AM
Yeah, that was 5 seasons ago when he was 34 years old and they decided to go younger with Nick Mangold. Now the Titans want to get younger too and nobody in the NFL wants him.

Coach Jeff Fisher said he planned to get younger along his offensive line, including at the center position, but that Mawae would have the opportunity to return as a backup.

But Mawae says he hasn't received a call from the Titans, or any other team for that matter, and is starting to wonder as the league is in an uncapped season without an agreement between players and owners. A potential work stoppage has been talked about in 2011 and Mawae suggested that some resentment over his position with the NFLPA is being harbored by owners. http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d817da5a0&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Yeah, its his NFLPA position that is keeping him from getting a job.....not the fact he is 39 years old and only gets to the pro bowl on reputation last year. :headshake:

I dont think The Steelers would have an issue with him being the NFLPA President because Charlie Batch is the NFLPA VP. I understand we dont need him to hold Pounceys hand. I would like Kevin Mawae to help improve our line,Upgrade at Center,as well as, being able to work with ALL of the lineman on what it takes to become a PRO BOWLER and what it was like to pave the way for Chris2K.
WE could have MEndy1.5k & Dwyer1k and we win The Super Bowl:tt03:

7willBheaven
05-08-2010, 12:43 PM
Ok, Its not about holding Pounceys hand. Its about getting back to Running the football and he's 100x better than Hartwig. He also paved the way for Chris2k. The whole reason why The Steelers are putting Pouncey at guard is so he learns the calls from the center. Who better to learn from a Pro Bowl Center of Hartwig? I choose The Pro Bowl Center everytime!:tt04:

I dont think The Steelers would have an issue with him being the NFLPA President because Charlie Batch is the NFLPA VP. I understand we dont need him to hold Pounceys hand. I would like Kevin Mawae to help improve our line,Upgrade at Center,as well as, being able to work with ALL of the lineman on what it takes to become a PRO BOWLER and what it was like to pave the way for Chris2K.
WE could have MEndy1.5k & Dwyer1k and we win The Super Bowl:tt03:

You could put the crappiest line in the league in from of CJ and he would still run wild...its the type of back he is...a speedster...slippery type...he doesnt always need big holes to go through, so using that to back your reasoning for siging him doesnt even make sense. Also how you said their putting him at guard so he learns the calls from the center....do you really think the calls will be different if Mawae is there instead of Hartwig? NO...it will be the same stuff...plus who knows Pouncey could beat out Hartwig this year for all we know.

Just as Gonzo said...a lighter C than we have will have even more troubles with the D's we play than Hartwig has had. And also your forgetting one of the KEY things with making a good OL...CONTINUITY!! Now yes there COULD be some changes with the new OL Coach/etc...but...if you take Hartwig out and put Mawae in...JUST to pull Mawae out next year and put Pouncey in...does just the opposite of having CONTINUITY! You can look at last years line (who btw had a 1000 yard rusher who didnt even start every game last year, which says a lot more to me than CJ getting 2K yds) was leaps and bounds better than the previous years line...one reason....CONTINUITY!!! And also the Pro Bowl doesnt mean jack and hasnt for the longest. Its a joke...a popularity contest/etc. There are a ton of really good players out there who never make it to the PB...does that make them crappy players? No! Does it mean all the PBer's are great players? No! Yes its a nice honor/etc...but the Pro Bowl means nothing anymore than a vacation and extra pay day for the players who actually show up.

pete74
05-09-2010, 05:14 AM
You could put the crappiest line in the league in from of CJ and he would still run wild...its the type of back he is...a speedster...slippery type...he doesnt always need big holes to go through, so using that to back your reasoning for siging him doesnt even make sense. Also how you said their putting him at guard so he learns the calls from the center....do you really think the calls will be different if Mawae is there instead of Hartwig? NO...it will be the same stuff...plus who knows Pouncey could beat out Hartwig this year for all we know.

Just as Gonzo said...a lighter C than we have will have even more troubles with the D's we play than Hartwig has had. And also your forgetting one of the KEY things with making a good OL...CONTINUITY!! Now yes there COULD be some changes with the new OL Coach/etc...but...if you take Hartwig out and put Mawae in...JUST to pull Mawae out next year and put Pouncey in...does just the opposite of having CONTINUITY! You can look at last years line (who btw had a 1000 yard rusher who didnt even start every game last year, which says a lot more to me than CJ getting 2K yds) was leaps and bounds better than the previous years line...one reason....CONTINUITY!!! And also the Pro Bowl doesnt mean jack and hasnt for the longest. Its a joke...a popularity contest/etc. There are a ton of really good players out there who never make it to the PB...does that make them crappy players? No! Does it mean all the PBer's are great players? No! Yes its a nice honor/etc...but the Pro Bowl means nothing anymore than a vacation and extra pay day for the players who actually show up.

no way. CJ is a great back and i wish we didnt pass on him for mendenhall but without a decent line he will never hit the 2000 mark. not possible. he is extremly fast and will run around or burn lb's but he needs to 1st get thru the line and thats were his offense helped. you put him on tampa and he would of had around 1400 yards last season

BKAnthem
05-09-2010, 07:06 AM
I said no to Mawae before and will say it again. I also didnt want Jeff Saturday last year when he was out there. Both of these guys are old and light in the weight dept. They succeed on technique, angles and tenacity.

Pouncey can learn what he needs to from Kugler and the film room and watching Hartwig. No need to bring in some old guy past his prime, just to hold a rookie's hand. Its football, not the 1st day of kindergarten.

I can't even argue this point.....:thumbsup:

jollyrob68
05-09-2010, 10:15 AM
[QUOTE=7willBheaven;819514]....CONTINUITY!!!

I agree with Continuity but what continuity will they have next year when Pouncey moves to Center and Hartwig is gone? NONE! So it doesnt matter who's at center this year if its only for one year. I do agree, So why not bring him in as an emergency backup incase of injury? We need better backups!!
Hartwig would give us Continuity for the returning starters but we/they all know he's the weak link! Pounding The Rock Is An Attitude and KEvin Mawae Plus Coach Kugler would help provide it. IMHO

Psyychoward86
05-09-2010, 10:28 PM
OK, of the 3 division rivals in the AFC south that Mawae and the Titans faced....please tell me which one runs a 3-4 devense with a NT over Mawae??

I'll help you out. None.

That is why a 39 year old C who weighs 289lbs can play effectively in that division. We have all seen how an underweight center struggles in our division. Now you want a 39 year old underweight center.......no thanks, I'll pass and so will the Steelers.

his true value isnt his playing efficiency for us, it's the insight that he'll be able to offer Pouncey. We're looking at long term stuff here, not short term

El-Gonzo Jackson
05-14-2010, 12:27 AM
his true value isnt his playing efficiency for us, it's the insight that he'll be able to offer Pouncey. We're looking at long term stuff here, not short term

Wrong. We are looking at the short term prospect of the Steelers signing some old guy to mentor a center????

When it happens, let me know. :yawn: I got other more likely things to worry about like seeing if I won the lottery. :coffee:

pete74
05-14-2010, 04:44 AM
his true value isnt his playing efficiency for us, it's the insight that he'll be able to offer Pouncey. We're looking at long term stuff here, not short term

i disagree. the steelers are very old on defense and they have a very suspect OL. im certain we wont pick Mawae up but it would be nice. even if we only got a year out of him it would be good. he is a great center and with Pouncey at RG our OL would be a major improvement over last years. were an old team and it would be nice to have him and make one more run before we rebuild

Psyychoward86
05-14-2010, 07:52 PM
Wrong. We are looking at the short term prospect of the Steelers signing some old guy to mentor a center????

When it happens, let me know. :yawn: I got other more likely things to worry about like seeing if I won the lottery. :coffee:

Um, you mean right? Or did you completely miss what i said?

El-Gonzo Jackson
05-17-2010, 10:07 AM
Um, you mean right? Or did you completely miss what i said?

No, I mean I DONT WANT KEVIN MAWAE AS A STEELERS center.

I believe that you are saying that his value would be to coach and mentor Pouncey. I honestly think that you are believing that Mawae can do more than an O line coach like Kugler can. Its an overestimated belief that just playing with a great player will make you great too.

If playing behind a great player leads to success, then Cliff Stoudt would have been great for playing behind Bradshaw. Gary Kubiak great for playing behind Elway and Frank Pollard and Sidney Thornton would have been pro bowlers for playing behind Franco and Rocky.

Pouncey will be our center here for the next 10 years, but will likely start as a guard until he can learn the line calls and protections from coach Kugler and Justin Hartwig. Bringing in Kevin Mawae would be just a waste of money, since he plays a much different game than Pouncey given their difference in size, skills and age.

jollyrob68
05-19-2010, 12:24 PM
Thanks for all of the opinions you guys have given. I understand what El Gonzo Jackson is saying.However, even if we didnt bring him in as a starting center I'd bring him in as a veteran backup lineman. But I'm not mad if they dont. Cant wait until training camp gets here and then The Season. Thanks guys.