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Spidey
05-13-2010, 07:26 AM
Is coaching something you had thought about?

I had thought about coaching when I first retired, but I played 17 years in the league, and at that time it was not right for me. I am actually going to give it a try this year - I am going to go to Cincinnati and be with the Bengals when camp starts in July and stay about a week and a half. It will be good to get a taste for it and get back into talking with the players and coaches and see what that daily grind is like again.


First Dirt, . . now this . . . .

Would have been nice to see him given the opportunity with us, . . . no?

solardave
05-13-2010, 07:44 AM
What's up with this? Help the Steelers!!! Puuncey can use tutoring from Dermonti and our entire secondary can use Rod's help!!!

steelerchad
05-13-2010, 08:02 AM
I'm not a believer in bringing ex players back as coaches. Especially great players, which both Dawson and Woodson were.
I think players who were marginally talented, but were able to play football because of their understanding of the game, dedication, and work ethic make better coaches.
You don't have to go much further than our last 2 head coaches to find this type of guy.

I've also heard a lot of people call for Batch to be a QB coach next year instead of playing. I don't think that works. Not that Charlie can't be a QB coach. I just don't think you go from teammate to coaching your peers effectively in 1 year. Maybe 5-10 years away from the organization and then come back when most of the guys you played with are gone.

Steelers>NFL
05-13-2010, 08:03 AM
Big deal. It is only for 1-1/2 weeks.
Besides, he owes the Steelers nothing.

BlastFurnace
05-13-2010, 09:29 AM
What's up with this? Help the Steelers!!! Puuncey can use tutoring from Dermonti and our entire secondary can use Rod's help!!!

What are they going to learn from Woodson that they can't learn from LeBeau?

Woodson isn't going to leave his cushy gig on NFL Network to go back to the NFL grind.

wootawnee
05-13-2010, 09:58 AM
I'm not a believer in bringing ex players back as coaches. Especially great players, which both Dawson and Woodson were.
I think players who were marginally talented, but were able to play football because of their understanding of the game, dedication, and work ethic make better coaches.
You don't have to go much further than our last 2 head coaches to find this type of guy.

I've also heard a lot of people call for Batch to be a QB coach next year instead of playing. I don't think that works. Not that Charlie can't be a QB coach. I just don't think you go from teammate to coaching your peers effectively in 1 year. Maybe 5-10 years away from the organization and then come back when most of the guys you played with are gone.

First of all, people are unique individuals.......Coach Lebeau was one of the great ball hawks of all time, so just that example contradicts your statement........If a man has a desire to coach and the passion for it, what could hold him back?.........I think Coach did allright.......

Second of all, C. Batch might not want to be a part of football after he takes of the pads.......If he does, their are assistant jobs under the offensive coordinater that could make more sense than a qb coach............The reason people want Charlie aboard is because their is great chemistry and understanding between him and Ben...........Sometimes pieces of a puzzle fit better than 2 separate entities when working together...........That boat already sails, so we know it works..........

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steelerchad
05-13-2010, 10:45 AM
First of all, people are unique individuals.......Coach Lebeau was one of the great ball hawks of all time, so just that example contradicts your statement........If a man has a desire to coach and the passion for it, what could hold him back?.........I think Coach did allright.......

Second of all, C. Batch might not want to be a part of football after he takes of the pads.......If he does, their are assistant jobs under the offensive coordinater that could make more sense than a qb coach............The reason people want Charlie aboard is because their is great chemistry and understanding between him and Ben...........Sometimes pieces of a puzzle fit better than 2 separate entities when working together...........That boat already sails, so we know it works..........

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I don't think I stated that it wasn't possible that a great player could become a great coach. I just think more workman like players make better coaches in general. You could make the case that even though LeBeau was a good player, his play lends itself more to this type of player. He was never a physically gifted or intimidated defender. And for every example like LeBeau, there's probably 10 examples of guys like Cowher. So whatever...................

Second of all.....................

Although I think all of your pictures of Ben and Batch together are nice. Most of these Charlies wearing a Uni though, not coaches shorts.
If you think there's no difference in being a friend and a mentor vs. being a coach, I think you're mistaken. I like Batch and would like to see him involved with the team in some capacity in the future.

But I kind of look at it like this.
You can choose to be a friend to your kids or a parent. Being both is tough and one usually gets in the way of the other. I have my doubts about going straight from player, teammate, and peer (ie:friend) to coach (ie:parent).

Just an opinion.

SteelerSal
05-13-2010, 11:37 AM
What's up with this? Help the Steelers!!! Puuncey can use tutoring from Dermonti and our entire secondary can use Rod's help!!!

I'm willing to bet that the Steeler organisation never entertained the offer for either one of them to tutor.

If the Bengals offered both Dawson and Woodson coaching gigs and they both have a desire to get into coaching, I can't hold anything against either one of them for getting their foot in the NFL coaching door and doing what they want to do, no matter what team it may be.

rick723
05-13-2010, 11:52 AM
Maybe they just don't want to associate with a team of assbags?
Not exactly a great time to say I worked with the Steelers now is it?
One bad apple can spoil the whole box.:applaudit:

scsteeler
05-13-2010, 12:24 PM
It would be great if every past steeler player that wanted to coach would be given a opportunity to do this with the Steelers but this will not happen. These guys have to make good with any team that is willing to give them that first chance to coach.

Not mad and Woodson or Dawson for following desire to try coaching.


Of course I am and always will be a Steeler fan but if a team called me up and offered me and chance to coach and that was my desire hell I would take it.

BlastFurnace
05-13-2010, 01:20 PM
Living here in Fort Worth, I would work for the Cowboys if they offered me a job in my career field. They are probably the most secure and best financially backed company in the entire Dallas/Fort Worth area. That wouldn't change my 34 years of being a fan of the Steelers, but I wouldn't shew away a great opportunity either.

Chidi29
05-13-2010, 02:37 PM
I'm not a believer in bringing ex players back as coaches.

Pretty much this. It's 50/50 with those guys. You'll get a Dick Hoak type every now and again, but you'll also get guys like Darren Perry.

And for anyone asking us to bring back ex-players, we did once this offseason when we brought in a former LB from the 90s to replace Lou Spanos as a defensive assistant.

California-Steel
05-13-2010, 02:50 PM
Tony Dungy was drafted and played for the Steelers and after a few years he became an assistant coach for the team. Then he when elsewhere and then became a head coach.

First thing you got to remember is that teams know who understands the game. You have great players that really may not be the smartest person on the field. They know their job for what is called and can do it well but other know and see and make the calls for them.

Maybe Dirt and Rod were just guys that played their positions really well and understood what to do once the calls were made but they wearn't the ones making the calls.

Teaching someone to drop their hips and run or to get low and power up is really different from now see they are in this set and you got to know that when in this set you need to move the LB up and out and drop the saftey over the TE and let the LB have the WR cause he is going to slant.

Teams know what they want and why they want or don't want or need.

BlastFurnace
05-13-2010, 02:53 PM
Tony Dungy was drafted and played for the Steelers and after a few years he became an assistant coach for the team. Then he when elsewhere and then became a head coach.

First thing you got to remember is that teams know who understands the game. You have great players that really may not be the smartest person on the field. They know their job for what is called and can do it well but other know and see and make the calls for them.

Maybe Dirt and Rod were just guys that played their positions really well and understood what to do once the calls were made but they wearn't the ones making the calls.

Teaching someone to drop their hips and run or to get low and power up is really different from now see they are in this set and you got to know that when in this set you need to move the LB up and out and drop the saftey over the TE and let the LB have the WR cause he is going to slant.

Teams know what they want and why they want or don't want or need.

I remember reading a quote from Greg Lloyd where he said that "Woodson was never out of position". I agree with that, with the exception of the Hook and Go Route. Rod always bit on that.

St33lersguy
05-13-2010, 03:12 PM
Cincinati must be presenting a lot of oppurtunities that's why they are taking them. I just wish Pittsburgh could have offered them internships

BKAnthem
05-14-2010, 07:54 AM
I think this is payback for Ken Anderson ....lol

solardave
05-15-2010, 08:38 AM
What are they going to learn from Woodson that they can't learn from LeBeau?

Woodson isn't going to leave his cushy gig on NFL Network to go back to the NFL grind.

So you'd rather see them in Cincy for a week and a half? I'm just sayin'! The burgh should be the 1-1/2 week stay for both of them. Besides, what is Pouncey gonna learn from Lebeau that he couldn't learn from Dermonti? I rest my case!:wink02:

SteelKnight
08-10-2010, 07:39 PM
Big deal. It is only for 1-1/2 weeks.
Besides, he owes the Steelers nothing.

I still didn't like him giving them tips to make the players better when I saw it on NFL Network.

I'm distancing myself from him again. lol

steeltheone
08-10-2010, 08:31 PM
Dawson should have been the Steelers pick for OL Coach this year. Experienced or not, you can't tell me he would not have been just as good as this guy we got from BUFFALO OF ALL PLACES...

StainlessStill
08-10-2010, 08:53 PM
Doesn't really mean anything. Of course, on the surface it can piss a Steelers fan off, but when it comes down to it it's only a few week thing. Kevin Green did this as well as well as many others.

Although I must say, Hines Ward MUST be on our sideline one day. You KNOW he won't be at any Bunghole camp when he retires.

SteelKnight
08-11-2010, 03:27 AM
Dawson should have been the Steelers pick for OL Coach this year. Experienced or not, you can't tell me he would not have been just as good as this guy we got from BUFFALO OF ALL PLACES...

No way. I want someone who is used to coaching players and has schemes he has designed. I want someone who has techniques for all the positions.

DoubleYoi
08-11-2010, 10:42 AM
Three pages of discussion on this topic and not one mention of Joe Greene leaving for a coaching job in Miami and Arizona? He's a more legendary Steeler than Dirt and Rod in my opinion. Former players coaching in other cities doesn't bother me at all though. Football is life for the majority of players and to have the ability to catch on with a team as an assistant, coordinator or head coach is just as fortunate as playing in the NFL. Besides, Dawson was born in and still lives in Lexington, Kentucky which means the Bengals were probably his childhood team and are the most logical choice geographically speaking....not that he has his choice of 32 teams to "tutor" with.

magoo
08-11-2010, 11:44 AM
My take on this is... Woodson is just being a professional. Can anyone blame a guy for keeping his options open? The notion of him "helping out the Bungholes" is no different that a veteran QB helping the rookie who just may take his job someday.

The Steelers have made good choices when hiring coaches. I think they know what they're doing in that department. Additionally, isn't it a bit insecure to be so concerned about the impact Woodson might have on the Steelers fate while teaching a few tips about the game? This happens all the time in professional sports.

To imply he is being a no goood rotten SOB #@&^%* turncoat seem funny to me.

steeltheone
08-11-2010, 07:19 PM
No way. I want someone who is used to coaching players and has schemes he has designed. I want someone who has techniques for all the positions.

If you know anything about the the Steelers you know Dawson called the STEELERS OL shots...He was Cowhers man. very good attitude, smart and athletic. Plus a hall of famer to be. You want some guy from a losing team?