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tony hipchest
05-13-2010, 05:06 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/13048/pouncey-is-a-pro-bowler-in-the-making

The selection of Maurkice Pouncey in the first round of the NFL draft last month was an excellent one for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He is exactly what this offensive line needs and has true star potential.

Pittsburgh’s offensive line is often criticized, but I believe that RT Willie Colon and LG Chris Kemoeatu are up-and-coming players. In fact, I would put Colon firmly among the top six or seven right tackles in the league and I feel like the arrow is going up on his career. At left tackle, Max Starks is somewhat inconsistent, but he is serviceable and you certainly could do much worse. With these three players, the Steelers’ line is one Pro Bowl-caliber player away from being vastly improved in both the run and passing games and among the top 50 percent of lines in the NFL -- maybe better. Pouncey is that potential Pro Bowler.

Pouncey, 20, is a very young player, the rare interior offensive lineman who leaves college with eligibility remaining. He will naturally add good weight and strength as he physically matures. Pouncey already has the bulk and length to compete with the very stout interior linemen he will face in the AFC North. He moves his feet well and is an improving technician who also is quite adept at making line calls. He is beginning his career at right guard, but I see him quickly taking over as the Steelers’ starting center, where he rightfully belongs.

Incumbent center Justin Hartwig played through injury for much of the 2009 season, but to me, he was far and away the biggest liability in the starting five. Even when Hartwig is completely healthy, he isn’t nearly the physical specimen Pouncey is. While Hartwig is a liability, Pouncey could become a true asset who makes his guards and teammates around him better, much as best center in the league, Nick Mangold, does for the Jets.

When Pouncey does assert himself as the starting center, which I forecast happening sooner than later, that leaves only the right guard position in flux. Pittsburgh isn’t loaded with premier prospects at right guard, but asking Trai Essex, Kraig Urbik, Ramon Foster or Chris Scott to establish himself as a legitimate starting guard doesn’t seem too far fetched.

The Steelers surely will be transitioning to more of a running team -- and with more overall physicality on offense than in recent memory. Adding Pouncey will make that much more feasible while still improving the pass protection.

if this dont get you fired up about the rookie, i dont know what will.

theplatypus
05-13-2010, 05:09 PM
but but but golden tate

Tone's Toes
05-13-2010, 06:22 PM
The only bad thing about drafting him so far is having to hear the Yinzers calling him Pauhncey.

pete74
05-13-2010, 06:52 PM
but but but golden tate

tate was 2nd round. i belive you wanted Bulaga, hopefully it was a good move passing on him for Pouncey

Prok
05-13-2010, 07:19 PM
I'll be overjoyed if he simply turns into a solid starter for us. And the CS actually talking about him starting his first year is very encouraging to me.

We are a team that needs some young players to start carrying the torch, so to speak imo.

vasteeler
05-13-2010, 07:36 PM
wheres the optimism :helmet::tt04::tt:

Psyychoward86
05-13-2010, 07:58 PM
If he amounts to anything close to Mangold I'll cry

zulater
05-13-2010, 08:16 PM
I loved the pick when it was made, and I love it more every day!

And here's something I read from Jim Wexall in the latest issue of Steelers Digest you might find interesting.

"Maurice Pouncey startled me at minicamp when he jumped out in front of a sweep around right end. He didn't have all that far to move from right guard, but I didn't think he had that type of quickness in him. "

vasteeler
05-13-2010, 08:23 PM
I loved the pick when it was made, and I love it more every day!

And here's something I read from Jim Wexall in the latest issue of Steelers Digest you might find interesting.

"Maurice Pouncey startled me at minicamp when he jumped out in front of a sweep around right end. He didn't have all that far to move from right guard, but I didn't think he had that type of quickness in him. "

we know how to run sweeps........who knew

zulater
05-13-2010, 08:30 PM
we know how to run sweeps........who knew

Kemo was starting to come on as a pulling guard right before he got hurt, but I don't think they ever even tried to pull Trai?

I think our interior line play this year could be the best it's been in some time. :thumbsup:

I also wouldn't mind if Legurskey was given a fair shot to unseat Hartwig at center.

MasterOfPuppets
05-13-2010, 08:30 PM
we know how to run sweeps........who knew

- offensive coordinator Bruce Arians opted for a toss-sweep to running back Mewelde Moore.

The play lost 3 yards, the Steelers punted and the Chiefs saw to it that the game ended on their subsequent possession.

“We were at the outer edge of field goal range, about the 36-yard line,” Tomlin said. “We were only comfortable roughly from the 33 to the 35. We tried to get a perimeter run to get down within that range. We got dropped for a loss.”

:banging:

MasterOfPuppets
05-13-2010, 08:33 PM
Kemo was starting to come on as a pulling guard right before he got hurt, but I don't think they ever even tried to pull Trai?

I think our interior line play this year could be the best it's been in some time. :thumbsup:

I also wouldn't mind if Legurskey was given a fair shot to unseat Hartwig at center.
i'm thinking legursky, along with hills, will be lost in the numbers game this year...:wave: can't keep em all

zulater
05-13-2010, 08:42 PM
i'm thinking legursky, along with hills, will be lost in the numbers game this year...:wave: can't keep em all

I don't know, I heard Legurskey was running a lot of reps with the first team offense in minicamp. Unlike Hills he's actually shown himself to be a player.

Urbik is another player that is going to have to prove he belongs this year. I think he's this years Bruce Davis, but at a different position, if you know what I mean. :chuckle:

vasteeler
05-13-2010, 08:45 PM
:banging:

yeah that whole 5 game stretch was demoralizing :banging:

Psyychoward86
05-13-2010, 09:04 PM
Kemo was starting to come on as a pulling guard right before he got hurt, but I don't think they ever even tried to pull Trai?

I think our interior line play this year could be the best it's been in some time. :thumbsup:

I also wouldn't mind if Legurskey was given a fair shot to unseat Hartwig at center.

as long as Hartwig is there, lol no

steelpride12
05-13-2010, 09:59 PM
Yupp Pouncy is going to open eyes in the near future or at least the best we can do is sit back and watch him do wonder's for this line!

Every single day I grow much more happy with the pick knowing how solid of a player he is and should be for the Steelers!

GBMelBlount
05-13-2010, 10:23 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/13048/pouncey-is-a-pro-bowler-in-the-making

if this dont get you fired up about the rookie, i dont know what will.

Nice read.

This sounds like a "glass is completely full and overflowing" article, but regardless, I am ecstatic that we picked a stud from the top of the heap that will hopefully anchor our line for the next decade....

However, his ACTUAL performance is what will hopefully get us REALLY fired up. :thumbsup:

Merchant
05-14-2010, 12:12 AM
Uhh.. let's see him play a game before we make any Pro Bowl predictions shall we :)

steelerdude15
05-14-2010, 12:15 AM
I was very happy with this pick! :tt02: I didn't realize he was my age!

El-Gonzo Jackson
05-14-2010, 12:16 AM
Kemo was starting to come on as a pulling guard right before he got hurt, but I don't think they ever even tried to pull Trai?

I think our interior line play this year could be the best it's been in some time. :thumbsup:

I also wouldn't mind if Legurskey was given a fair shot to unseat Hartwig at center.

They pulled Essex a few times last year, but with little success. I still think he is a better OT than guard. Probably his last year in B&G though.

I dont think Legursky is gonna get a shot at C. Its probably gonna be Hartwig again this season and then transition to Pouncey the following year when he gets a chance to know the line calls. Pretty rare to put a rookie at C and let him handle all the O line calls.

El-Gonzo Jackson
05-14-2010, 12:21 AM
I don't know, I heard Legurskey was running a lot of reps with the first team offense in minicamp. Unlike Hills he's actually shown himself to be a player.

Urbik is another player that is going to have to prove he belongs this year. I think he's this years Bruce Davis, but at a different position, if you know what I mean. :chuckle:

Yeah, the Hills project could be in the final year if the other Longhorn on the O line (Scott) proves to be a better option at OT.

I dont think Urbik is the same as Davis. Urbik started something like 35 games at Wisconsin and was an all Big Ten performer with solid technique. Bruce Davis had inflated sack totals with poor strength and technique as a DE at UCLA.

I honestly dont know if the Steelers will be able to extend Colon and I think Chris Scott was drafted as a RT prospect. Could be Starks, Kemo, Pouncey, Urbik, Scott in 2 seasons as the starting O line.

MasterOfPuppets
05-14-2010, 12:43 AM
Yeah, the Hills project could be in the final year if the other Longhorn on the O line (Scott) proves to be a better option at OT.

I dont think Urbik is the same as Davis. Urbik started something like 35 games at Wisconsin and was an all Big Ten performer with solid technique. Bruce Davis had inflated sack totals with poor strength and technique as a DE at UCLA.

I honestly dont know if the Steelers will be able to extend Colon and I think Chris Scott was drafted as a RT prospect. Could be Starks, Kemo, Pouncey, Urbik, Scott in 2 seasons as the starting O line.

didn't they bring in an OT from buffalo...:noidea:

tony hipchest
05-14-2010, 12:55 AM
i dont think its too far fetched to think that pouncy may be a future pro bowler.

steelers seem to do fine with 31 picks and players who are regarded as the best of their draft class in regards to their respective positions.

h. miller- 1st pick and highest rated TE = pro bowler
t. polamalu- 1st pick and highest rated S = pro bowler
s. holmes- 1st pick and highest rated WR = sb mvp and potential pro bowler
b. roethlisberger- 1st pick and maybe a few had him rated higher than eli or rivers = pro bowler and 2X SB champ


faneca and hampton have gotta be looked at as the best at their positions in their respective class. multiple pro bowlers.

plexico, mendenahall, and timmons are no chopped liver. all have played near the top of their class and close to a pro-bowl level.

odds and history say pouncy will play damn good and will be well above average. then again there is an anomoly to every trend (im just not thinking this pick will be it).

wootawnee
05-14-2010, 02:08 AM
The only bad thing about drafting him so far is having to hear the Yinzers calling him Pauhncey.

I can hear Myron saying it in my sleep............I love it.......

wootawnee
05-14-2010, 02:24 AM
I dont know why these guys dont like Justin and Max...........Justin took charge of the line since he has been there........And Max is huge, and has alot of intangibles that none of our lineman have........

Our line is very good.....It gets a bad rap cause of Ben.........Were gonna have sacks if we dont go to the west coast offense......We go down field......That takes holding the ball about 2 seconds longer.........Those Outside linebackers/D-ends are fast.........There always was alot of sacks in the league until The Bill Walsh dumpoff passing game came along.............I like right where we are at, so if you want to go and listen to all the guys writing articles cause of stats, that is your business.....Im gonna keep counting our Rings and our Playoff wins and keep climbing the mountain.......Besides I will take all those sacks to see those deep rainbows down field.....How cool is that Ball way up there in the air.......That is the coolest........
The same kind of guys wrote the same kind of article about Bradshaw........He is one of the greats, and they dont talk trach now...........

I hope Pouncey jumps right in at guard and is a road grader........

Galax Steeler
05-14-2010, 03:30 AM
Uhh.. let's see him play a game before we make any Pro Bowl predictions shall we :)

It don't hurt to dream in the off season.:chuckle:

zulater
05-14-2010, 05:54 AM
They pulled Essex a few times last year, but with little success. I still think he is a better OT than guard. Probably his last year in B&G though.

I dont think Legursky is gonna get a shot at C. Its probably gonna be Hartwig again this season and then transition to Pouncey the following year when he gets a chance to know the line calls. Pretty rare to put a rookie at C and let him handle all the O line calls.

Essex is a good guy to have around for depth. But he's not starter material.

And yeah that seems to be the plan with Pouncey, a year at guard and then switch him to center next year.

LambertLunatic
05-14-2010, 06:32 AM
With these three players, the Steelers’ line is one Pro Bowl-caliber player away from being vastly improved in both the run and passing games

This part of the article amused me. Um, what offensive line WOULDN'T be vastly improved by adding a Pro Bowl-caliber player?

steelers seem to do fine with 31 picks and players who are regarded as the best of their draft class in regards to their respective positions.


Matt Spaeth was regarded as the best tight end in his draft class coming out of college. 5 catches for 25 yards last year.

DanRooney
05-14-2010, 11:42 AM
Starks-Kemoeatu-Pouncey-Foster-Colon is a pretty solid line for 2011. Imagine if we're able to pick up Mike Pouncey in next years draft. That would be bordering on the best OL in the league. We should just cut Urbik though, he sucks.

tony hipchest
05-14-2010, 05:17 PM
This part of the article amused me. Um, what offensive line WOULDN'T be vastly improved by adding a Pro Bowl-caliber player?



Matt Spaeth was regarded as the best tight end in his draft class coming out of college. 5 catches for 25 yards last year.

above post should read-

steelers seem to do fine with #1 picks and players who are regarded as the best of their draft class in regards to their respective positions.

with that being clarified, spaeth was regarded as the 2nd or 3rd ranked TE prospect behind greg olsen who went #31 overall to the bears. spaeth went in the 3rd round so he really doesnt count in this discussion (although i do think he would do fine if he were the #1 receiving TE target on a team like the bungs).

MasterOfPuppets
05-14-2010, 05:58 PM
This part of the article amused me. Um, what offensive line WOULDN'T be vastly improved by adding a Pro Bowl-caliber player?



Matt Spaeth was regarded as the best tight end in his draft class coming out of college. 5 catches for 25 yards last year.

:rofl: ...thats hardly a fact.... remember greg olsen ? 1st rd pick by the bears ? guy that destroyed the steelers in the 2nd half last year ?
actually spaeth was considered to be a "reach" at #3
here's walterfootballs take in 2007 on our draft...

Grade given on 5/1/07: B

Good Moves: I thought it would be Lawrence Timmons or Paul Posluszny at No. 15. The Steelers went with the former. I have no problem with that, although Pittsburgh could have traded down, perhaps striking a deal with Denver. LaMarr Woodley, taken in the second round, can play both the 3-4 and 4-3, which is exactly what Mike Tomlin is looking for. Ryan McBean and Cameron Stephenson were excellent second-day selections. Pittsburgh found its punter of the future in the fourth round, selecting Daniel Sepulveda, a former linebacker.

Bad Moves: Matt Speaeth? Third round? Really? I projected Spaeth to go in the fifth or sixth. And the Steelers didn't really need a tight end either. That pick would have been better spent on Tony Hunt.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2007GRADE.php

LambertLunatic
05-14-2010, 07:55 PM
My memory must have failed me. It sucks being old and senile. :noidea:

Steely McSmash
05-14-2010, 08:35 PM
didn't they bring in an OT from buffalo...:noidea:

That's the Scott , mentioned above. We have a Jonathan Scott from Texas by way of Bills and Chris Scott UDFA Rookie out of Tenn, probably OG/RT prospect.:drink:

pete74
05-15-2010, 04:12 AM
:rofl: ...thats hardly a fact.... remember greg olsen ? 1st rd pick by the bears ? guy that destroyed the steelers in the 2nd half last year ?
actually spaeth was considered to be a "reach" at #3
here's walterfootballs take in 2007 on our draft...

walterfootball sucks. they had mike wallace going in the 5th, had nothing good to say about him and had 40-some wr's who they thought were better

solardave
05-15-2010, 05:35 AM
The only bad thing about drafting him so far is having to hear the Yinzers calling him Pauhncey.

I don't care if we call him "Fonzi" as long as he shores up the middle for the run game! EEEEH!:sofunny:

MasterOfPuppets
05-15-2010, 03:13 PM
walterfootball sucks. they had mike wallace going in the 5th, had nothing good to say about him and had 40-some wr's who they thought were better
:shout: false

Walter Football Draft Grades

Props go out to Mr. Cherepinsky, owner of Walter Football. We use his player bios all the time, his site mirrors our sentiments for the most part. He was very generous and gave us a high draft grade, I think we as fans were a little tough on the Front Office. Maybe Gerald Cadogan had some issues, heck have any of us ever met the dude? Here is his grades, by pick and overall by someone who is not a Steeler fan, but an honest evaluator of each team.

Pittsburgh Steelers (Last Year: 12-4)

2009 NFL Draft Grade:

It all starts on Draft Day, and as you can see by how talented this class is, there's a reason the Steelers are Super Bowl contenders year in and year out.

Pittsburgh drafted for positions of high value with its first two selections. Evander Hood should be able to take over for Aaron Smith soon, while Kraig Urbik could make a strong push at right guard.

The Steelers made a number of great value picks that filled needs in Day 2, including Mike Wallace (receiver for Hines Ward's eventual departure), Keenan Lewis (corner depth needed), Joe Burnett (more corner depth and return specialist) and Frank Summers (power back). A.Q. Shipley was a steal in Round 7. He could push Justin Hartwig out of the starting center gig.

Grade give on 4/27/09: A+



2009 NFL Draft Picks:

32. Evander Hood, DE/DT, Missouri
Aaron Smith's successor. This is a good spot for Evander Hood, who fills a need. With Alex Mack off the board, this was the right move. (Pick Grade: A)

79. Kraig Urbik, G, Wisconsin
Kraig Urbik is solid value and fills a position of need. Ben Roethlisberger has to love this selection. (Pick Grade: A)

84. Mike Wallace, WR, Ole Miss
The Steelers needed receiving depth. Mike Wallace is a solid talent and presents good value here. Based on these picks, it's no surprise that the Steelers are contenders year in and year out. (Pick Grade: A)

96. Keenan Lewis, CB, Oregon State
Keenan Lewis was a fringe second-round prospect and he fills a need. Another very nice choice by the Steelers. (Pick Grade: A)

168. Joe Burnett, CB, Central Florida
Another corner? Well, it's a need, and Joe Burnett fits this draft range. He can also be a return specialist. (Pick Grade: B)

169. Frank Summers, RB, UNLV
I mocked Frank Summers to the Steelers a round later. He can be the power, goal-line back they've been looking for since Jerome Bettis retired. (Pick Grade: B)

205. Ra'Shon Harris, DE/DT, Oregon
More depth up front is never a bad idea. This is Ra'Shon Harris' draft range. (Pick Grade: B)

226. A.Q. Shipley, C, Penn State
One of the top picks in the entire 2009 NFL Draft in terms of draft and positional value. A.Q. Shipley could have been a third-round pick, and he could be an upgrade over Justin Hartwig. (Pick Grade: A)

241. David Johnson, TE, Arkansas State
Heath Miller's contract is coming up, so David Johnson is a bit of insurance. Johnson provides OK depth here. (Pick Grade: B)
http://three-rivers-five-rings.groups.cbssports.com/mcc/groups/post/8954419/14743452


13. Mike Wallace, Ole Miss
Height: 6-0. Weight: 199.
Projected 40 Time: 4.35.
Combine 40 Time: 4.33.
Vertical: 40. Broad: 10-9.
Projected Round (2009): 4.
1/4/09: Mike Wallace finished strong, catching 13 balls for 284 yards and five touchdowns in the final three games of the 2008 season. He had 39 receptions, 784 yards and seven scores on the year. Wallace also took a kickoff back to the house.

they had him at # 13 . guess what ? he was the 12th receiver taken ...:jawdrop: ...the guy they had at # 12 (barden) was taken the next pick after wallace ...:popcorn:

MasterOfPuppets
05-15-2010, 04:23 PM
That's the Scott , mentioned above. We have a Jonathan Scott from Texas by way of Bills and Chris Scott UDFA Rookie out of Tenn, probably OG/RT prospect.:drink:

wasn't chris scott a 5th rd pick ? :popcorn:

DanRooney
05-15-2010, 05:02 PM
I was going to talk wonders about walterfootball as it is one of my favorite predraft sites, but I totally forgot how optimistic they were of our draft last year (I was absolutely pissed by our selections btw).

My Opinion of the 2009 NFL Draft:

32. Evander Hood, DE/DT, Missouri
Pure value pick. Ziggy is not known for his run blocking and is just a pure pass rushing DT that doesn't stop moving his legs until the whistle. He would be an A draft grade if he were to be selected by the Colts or another prototypical 4-3 team, but he probably won' t transition well into LeBeau's 3-4. (Pick Grade: B-)

79. Kraig Urbik, G, Wisconsin
Sure the Steelers needed a lot of help after having the worst OL to ever win a Super Bowl. But this pick absolutely sucks. Urbik got bullied many a times in college and there's no surprise that he got beat out in a BACKUP role to UDFA Ramon Foster. Total failure of scouting here. (Grade: F)

84. Mike Wallace, WR, Ole Miss
The only saving grace of the draft. This is the player that Al Davis really wanted. (Grade: A+)

96. Keenan Lewis, CB, Oregon State
With McFadden leaving at the time, it looked like the Steelers found a gem in Lewis as a big physical receiver. However, he had a injury prone rookie season and remains a question mark. (Grade: B)

168. Joe Burnett, CB, Central Florida
A dwarf corner that will amount nothing more to a nickel guy. Will eventually take over for the terrible William Gay. (Grade: C-)

169. Frank Summers, RB, UNLV
Worst pick in the Steelers draft. (Grade: F)

205. Ra'Shon Harris, DE/DT, Oregon
Agree with Walter. A project DE that will help the aging DL (Pick Grade: B)

226. A.Q. Shipley, C, Penn State
Midget arms and a career overachiever. (Pick Grade: F)

241. David Johnson, TE, Arkansas State
Agree with Walter (Pick Grade: B)

pete74
05-15-2010, 06:11 PM
:shout: false


13. Mike Wallace, Ole Miss
Height: 6-0. Weight: 199.
Projected 40 Time: 4.35.
Combine 40 Time: 4.33.
Vertical: 40. Broad: 10-9.
Projected Round (2009): 4.
1/4/09: Mike Wallace finished strong, catching 13 balls for 284 yards and five touchdowns in the final three games of the 2008 season. He had 39 receptions, 784 yards and seven scores on the year. Wallace also took a kickoff back to the house.

they had him at # 13 . guess what ? he was the 12th receiver taken ...:jawdrop: ...the guy they had at # 12 (barden) was taken the next pick after wallace ...:popcorn:




FALSE


183. San Francisco 49ers: Mike Wallace, WR, Ole Miss
Isaac Bruce won't be around for much longer. Adding a young receiver to the mix wouldn't hurt



AS I SAID, 6TH ROUND

they had him ranked 13th among wr's in 2009 but that was updated on april 24th. there mock had hie going in the 6th

pete74
05-15-2010, 06:22 PM
I was going to talk wonders about walterfootball as it is one of my favorite predraft sites, but I totally forgot how optimistic they were of our draft last year (I was absolutely pissed by our selections btw).

My Opinion of the 2009 NFL Draft:

32. Evander Hood, DE/DT, Missouri
Pure value pick. Ziggy is not known for his run blocking and is just a pure pass rushing DT that doesn't stop moving his legs until the whistle. He would be an A draft grade if he were to be selected by the Colts or another prototypical 4-3 team, but he probably won' t transition well into LeBeau's 3-4. (Pick Grade: B-)

79. Kraig Urbik, G, Wisconsin
Sure the Steelers needed a lot of help after having the worst OL to ever win a Super Bowl. But this pick absolutely sucks. Urbik got bullied many a times in college and there's no surprise that he got beat out in a BACKUP role to UDFA Ramon Foster. Total failure of scouting here. (Grade: F)

84. Mike Wallace, WR, Ole Miss
The only saving grace of the draft. This is the player that Al Davis really wanted. (Grade: A+)

96. Keenan Lewis, CB, Oregon State
With McFadden leaving at the time, it looked like the Steelers found a gem in Lewis as a big physical receiver. However, he had a injury prone rookie season and remains a question mark. (Grade: B)

168. Joe Burnett, CB, Central Florida
A dwarf corner that will amount nothing more to a nickel guy. Will eventually take over for the terrible William Gay. (Grade: C-)

169. Frank Summers, RB, UNLV
Worst pick in the Steelers draft. (Grade: F)

205. Ra'Shon Harris, DE/DT, Oregon
Agree with Walter. A project DE that will help the aging DL (Pick Grade: B)

226. A.Q. Shipley, C, Penn State
Midget arms and a career overachiever. (Pick Grade: F)

241. David Johnson, TE, Arkansas State
Agree with Walter (Pick Grade: B)

when was this wrote? burnett taking over for gay seems wierd. gay did good in the nickel which is why we let mcfadden walk and we didnt realize he sucked until this season well after burnett was drafted and this should of been written

MasterOfPuppets
05-15-2010, 07:09 PM
when was this wrote? burnett taking over for gay seems wierd. gay did good in the nickel which is why we let mcfadden walk and we didnt realize he sucked until this season well after burnett was drafted and this should of been written

ok...now i see what the problem is ....:doh:
My Opinion of the 2009 NFL Draft:

how about providing some links to where mike wallace was getting hated on at walterfootball and maybe a link showing where they DROPPED him from 13 th to 40th ...maybe you just read it wrong...:noidea:

El-Gonzo Jackson
05-17-2010, 10:34 AM
wasn't chris scott a 5th rd pick ? :popcorn:

Yes, Chris Scott was a 5th round pick. I still was hoping for Kyle Calloway instead, as he lasted to the 7th. Calloway just seemed to be a guy that at 6'6" was better suited to play RT than Scott.

I hope that Scott can develop into a good RT/OG for us and think Johathon Scott spells the end of either Trai Essex or Tony Hills on the team. Its possible that our starting OT's can be Starks and Colon, with Scott and Scott the backups.

Psyychoward86
05-17-2010, 05:29 PM
I was going to talk wonders about walterfootball as it is one of my favorite predraft sites, but I totally forgot how optimistic they were of our draft last year (I was absolutely pissed by our selections btw).

My Opinion of the 2009 NFL Draft:

32. Evander Hood, DE/DT, Missouri
Pure value pick. Ziggy is not known for his run blocking and is just a pure pass rushing DT that doesn't stop moving his legs until the whistle. He would be an A draft grade if he were to be selected by the Colts or another prototypical 4-3 team, but he probably won' t transition well into LeBeau's 3-4. (Pick Grade: B-)

79. Kraig Urbik, G, Wisconsin
Sure the Steelers needed a lot of help after having the worst OL to ever win a Super Bowl. But this pick absolutely sucks. Urbik got bullied many a times in college and there's no surprise that he got beat out in a BACKUP role to UDFA Ramon Foster. Total failure of scouting here. (Grade: F)

84. Mike Wallace, WR, Ole Miss
The only saving grace of the draft. This is the player that Al Davis really wanted. (Grade: A+)

96. Keenan Lewis, CB, Oregon State
With McFadden leaving at the time, it looked like the Steelers found a gem in Lewis as a big physical receiver. However, he had a injury prone rookie season and remains a question mark. (Grade: B)

168. Joe Burnett, CB, Central Florida
A dwarf corner that will amount nothing more to a nickel guy. Will eventually take over for the terrible William Gay. (Grade: C-)

169. Frank Summers, RB, UNLV
Worst pick in the Steelers draft. (Grade: F)

205. Ra'Shon Harris, DE/DT, Oregon
Agree with Walter. A project DE that will help the aging DL (Pick Grade: B)

226. A.Q. Shipley, C, Penn State
Midget arms and a career overachiever. (Pick Grade: F)

241. David Johnson, TE, Arkansas State
Agree with Walter (Pick Grade: B)

it's way to soon to call that draft, even Wallace could turn out to be mediocre after stepping into the starting lineup for the 1st time. He's been facing crappy nickel corners all year, sometimes even #4 cornerbacks. Dont let the statistics and production fool you.

pete74
05-17-2010, 06:23 PM
ok...now i see what the problem is ....:doh:


how about providing some links to where mike wallace was getting hated on at walterfootball and maybe a link showing where they DROPPED him from 13 th to 40th ...maybe you just read it wrong...:noidea:

i thought it was obvious i was exagerating when i said 40 since 40 wr's are never drafted. maybe they do rank him 13th but they also have 21 wr's going before him in there mock draft. he is the 22nd wr chosen in there mock in the 6th round

St33lersguy
05-17-2010, 06:49 PM
I must be honest and say I originally didn't like the pick and thougnt he was a reach and thought they should have gotten Bulaga or Dan Williams. Now I find myself liking the pick more each day

ricardisimo
05-18-2010, 02:15 AM
This part of the article amused me. Um, what offensive line WOULDN'T be vastly improved by adding a Pro Bowl-caliber player?

The Jets, for example. I'd say if you already have three Pro Bowlers on your line adding another is not going to "vastly" improve it.

ricardisimo
05-18-2010, 02:18 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/13048/pouncey-is-a-pro-bowler-in-the-making
if this dont get you fired up about the rookie, i dont know what will.

The FO doesn't make mistakes, Tony. That's why we should be fired up. :wink02:

Galax Steeler
05-18-2010, 03:35 AM
I must be honest and say I originally didn't like the pick and thougnt he was a reach and thought they should have gotten Bulaga or Dan Williams. Now I find myself liking the pick more each day

The only question I had was why Bulaga dropped so far and why did we pass on him. I think the Pouncey pick will be worth while and he will show why we selected him. Good centers are hard to get and I can't help but to believe that he will be one of the best in the league when he gets his chance.

El-Gonzo Jackson
05-18-2010, 10:15 AM
The only question I had was why Bulaga dropped so far and why did we pass on him. I think the Pouncey pick will be worth while and he will show why we selected him. Good centers are hard to get and I can't help but to believe that he will be one of the best in the league when he gets his chance.

Bulaga probably dropped because he isnt overly athletic and has somewhat short arms, but his production in college cant be refuted. Oher similarly dropped last year to the #23 spot and proved the critics wrong.

Good centers are NOT hard to find. Rarely are they taken in the 1st round and most teams can find a serviceable center in later rounds. The Steelers are banking on Pouncey being a GREAT center.

I agree with the previous poster though, that a good LT is more important than a good C. I just hope Pouncey turns out to be great, because Starks still sucks and needs to be replaced.

MasterOfPuppets
05-18-2010, 03:17 PM
Bulaga probably dropped because he isnt overly athletic and has somewhat short arms, but his production in college cant be refuted. Oher similarly dropped last year to the #23 spot and proved the critics wrong.

Good centers are NOT hard to find. Rarely are they taken in the 1st round and most teams can find a serviceable center in later rounds. The Steelers are banking on Pouncey being a GREAT center.

I agree with the previous poster though, that a good LT is more important than a good C. I just hope Pouncey turns out to be great, because Starks still sucks and needs to be replaced.

there most definitely was a trend to find centers and guards in later rounds, because they were traditionally the lowest paid players on the team. that allowed teams to keep their starters on the roster ,so their wasn't any reason to draft them high ..:noidea: ... that trend is changing. teams are starting to back the money trucks up to these guys, so centers and guards are becoming more in demand and teams don't have 10 - 12 years to develop replacements anymore.
cowher and company royaley screwed up keep that bum okolbi on the roster for so long instead of finding a REAL replacement for hartings...

ricardisimo
05-18-2010, 03:27 PM
Bulaga probably dropped because he isnt overly athletic and has somewhat short arms, but his production in college cant be refuted. Oher similarly dropped last year to the #23 spot and proved the critics wrong.

Good centers are NOT hard to find. Rarely are they taken in the 1st round and most teams can find a serviceable center in later rounds. The Steelers are banking on Pouncey being a GREAT center.

I agree with the previous poster though, that a good LT is more important than a good C. I just hope Pouncey turns out to be great, because Starks still sucks and needs to be replaced.

"Short-armed over-achiever" is what they called Shipley... and it appears they were right. I doubt Bulaga will wash out that quickly, but players do drop for reasons, I guess. My point being that I'm not sure it's that easy to find a good center.

I also don't think Starks sucks... he just doesn't seem to be worth the money they are paying him. If he were the lowest-paid member of the line, or somewhere in the middle, we might feel different about him.

Hartwig has been the head-scratcher for me, giving up more sacks than any other center in the league two years in a row, from what I've read. I guess with the Pouncey pick I don't have to scratch much longer.

pete74
05-18-2010, 03:31 PM
"Short-armed over-achiever" is what they called Shipley... and it appears they were right. I doubt Bulaga will wash out that quickly, but players do drop for reasons, I guess. My point being that I'm not sure it's that easy to find a good center.

I also don't think Starks sucks... he just doesn't seem to be worth the money they are paying him. If he were the lowest-paid member of the line, or somewhere in the middle, we might feel different about him.

Hartwig has been the head-scratcher for me, giving up more sacks than any other center in the league two years in a row, from what I've read. I guess with the Pouncey pick I don't have to scratch much longer.

true. good centers give up 1-2 sacks a year but hartwig gave up 8 and was responsible for quite a few more because his man chased ben into another player. hartwig straight up sucks and i really wish we were able to plug pouncey into center right away then use scott or foster as rg