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tony hipchest
05-14-2010, 01:25 AM
maybe now we can have some actual basketball discussion w/o wading through the pond of slobber dripping offa labron james' balls in all the other threads..

once again "the king" has been usurped by NBA parliament.

i had cavs. vs. mavs. coming in, and dont know which ones early exit is more disappointing. :noidea: both NBA finals losers were thinking this was their year.

but what is done is done. there as still some potentially great match-ups remaining.

im hoping for magic vs. suns.

lakers gotta be favorites with kobe, but these are some star studded teams remaining. i like how orlando has been completely dominant, yet still been flying under the radar.

im rooting for anyone but the lakers in this order

orlando/phoenix (or vice versa doesnt really matter to me)
celtics

lakers.

GO SONICS! (r. lewis and r. allen are the only ones remaining)

steve nash is a tough SOB and g. hill has heart.

kobe, artest, odom, gasol, and fisher arent no joke.

the key to this years final 4 seems to be an accumulation of 3-4 top ten draft picks on each roster.

a ton of projected talent waits to be seen in the next 3 series.

MACH1
05-14-2010, 09:00 AM
Lakers-Suns is gonna be a good series. If the Suns win it will be with their speed, could go a full seven game. Hopefully the Magic can take care of Boston, but I doubt it.

Old school Finals- Lakers - Boston.

SteelersinCA
05-14-2010, 11:40 AM
Lakers Celtics would be a nice old school final, but I'd rather see the Lakers Magic battle it out again. My only question is what are we going to hear if the Lakers win it all again? It's gasol's team? Because as you know, Kobe is washed up.

Nadroj 20
05-14-2010, 12:15 PM
I would like to see Steve Nash win a title.....im pulling for the suns the rest of the way.

tony hipchest
05-15-2010, 02:49 PM
phil jack is in rare form, once again-

Lakers' Jackson: Nash carries ball

i understand its his job to do whatever it takes to gain some sort of competitive advantage, but this sort of bush league bitching, whining, and begging for calls seems a bit unbecoming of a 10X champion who has coached some to the greatest players of all time.

makes him seem like a little bitch. (and steelerfans think mike holmgren is bad???)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/05/14/lakers.jackson.suns.nash.ap/index.html



EL SEGUNDO, Calif. (AP) -- Lakers coach Phil Jackson thinks the Phoenix Suns' star point guard sometimes plays a bit too much like a running back.

With a mischievous grin, Jackson said Friday that it's tough for Los Angeles to prepare to face Steve Nash during defensive practice because of the two-time MVP's style with the basketball.

"Yeah, because you can't carry the ball like he does in practice," Jackson said. "You can't pick that ball up and run with it."

Jackson turned his palm over while he spoke, making the officials' gesture for palming of the basketball.

Nash's ball-handling and playmaking are driving the Suns' remarkable postseason success, and Jackson apparently couldn't resist the chance to get in a crack at the Canadian star while perhaps planting a seed in any listening officials' minds. Nash is averaging 17.8 points and 9 assists per game in the playoffs while leading Phoenix past Portland and San Antonio.

The Western Conference finals begin Monday in Los Angeles.

Although Jackson professes ample respect for the 36-year-old Nash's skills, the 10-time NBA champion coach's comment suggests he believes the point guard gets generous treatment from officials in the elastic rules about traveling and palming calls.

Other players and coaches have suggested a similar belief over the years, though Nash is hardly the only NBA player who draws such complaints from opponents: Kobe Bryant also has been known to stretch one of basketball's simplest rules to its limits.

And Nash isn't even the first player in this postseason to draw the attention of Jackson, whose track record of playing such games through the media goes back 20 years to his early seasons with the Chicago Bulls.

Last month before the playoffs even began, Jackson was fined $35,000 by the NBA for saying Oklahoma City's Kevin Durant was getting generous treatment from officials.

"As far as the calls that he gets on the floor, I think a lot of the referees are treating him like a superstar," Jackson said then. "He gets to the line easy and often."

tony hipchest
05-16-2010, 02:26 PM
and the suns response-

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/05/15/suns.smirk.ap/index.html

The Phoenix Suns have reacted with a collective smirk to Phil Jackson's suggestion that Steve Nash travels with the basketball.

Nash even had a subtle retort worthy of Jackson himself.

"It's news to me. I'm fortunate. I don't know if I've been called for a carry yet," he said after the Suns practiced Saturday, then he added straight-faced: "I've never heard anyone accuse me of carrying it. I mean, the best coach in the league Gregg Popovich (of San Antonio) didn't have a problem with it last week."

Get it? Popovich the best coach in the league?

"We have the best officials in the world," Nash continued. "I'll just leave it up to them."


Phoenix coach Alvin Gentry laughed off the accusation.

"You guys got to admire Phil," Gentry said. "C'mon, the stuff that he throws out there, I mean I think it's great. He's very creative. There's a reason. But I think you've got to understand that there's kind of a method to his madness. If you let it affect you, then it will."
...
He said the Suns weren't going to get drawn into what they consider Jackson's psychological ploy.

"How can we win that?" Gentry said. "We're not going to win that battle anyway."

But the Phoenix coach added a jab at the Lakers when he was asked jokingly if the team worked on ball handling skills.

"We spent the day ducking elbows on post-ups, to see if we could duck elbows on post-ups, " Gentry said, a not-to-thinly veiled nod to the Lakers' style. "So it all works out, it all works out."

Amare Stoudemire probably spoke for the rest of the team with his reaction.

"Typical Phil," he said.

tony hipchest
05-17-2010, 11:09 PM
lakers are killing the suns. getting their 'fair" share of foul calls too.

kobe bryant looks like walter payton out there. :rolleyes:

steelerdude15
05-18-2010, 01:01 PM
I was originally thinking Suns-Magic in the finals, but after game one of the Western Finals... the Kobe-Pau combo is a hell of duo. I think the Boston-Orlando match up might be more interesting if the Celtics beat the Magic. The Celtics played pretty good D and Howard was pretty much shut down. Even though Rasheed Wallace is a complete jerkoff. :mad:

tony hipchest
05-19-2010, 12:36 AM
im about ready to stick a fork in the magic. couldnt get a bounce to go their way. played undisciplined and got in foul trouble (plus had a few calls go against them). cant get a rebound when it matters the most. shooters cant make a critical shot. easy shots clanking off the rim, and luke r cant follow basic, end of game, fundamentals with it all on the line.

if youre rooting against the lakers, the celtics are the only team that has a shot (i just hope the suns can make it a series).

the celtics are looking like giant killers (although calling the cavs "giants" is buying into the hype and the magic skated through the 1st 2 series).

forget about garnett, pierce, and allen. 'sheed is no joke, and rondo is breaking out like wade, billups, and parker did for past champ teams. this is a star studded cast that doesnt need to lean on 1 guy, and doesnt have 3-4 guys coming up short on any given night.

thats what it will take to defeat the defending champs.

MACH1
05-19-2010, 01:04 AM
Yeah, unfortunately I think the Magic are done. They might be able to stretch it out to five maybe six games.

tony hipchest
05-20-2010, 01:00 AM
shit. might as well stick a fork in the suns also.

i hope both series end in 4 as to not drag the conference finals out for another 2 weeks.

MACH1
05-20-2010, 01:24 AM
I think the Suns will make a stand, they wont get swept. They'll shoot a lot better at home and maybe play a lil D.

tony hipchest
05-22-2010, 06:55 PM
i definitely think the suns and magic are capable of stealing a game or 2. they certainly wont quit like lebron james and the cavs. but i just dont think either team has the firepower to make it a series unlike cleveland who was simply the far better team but for some unknown reason, simply gave up.

suns in particular have far superior on court leadership, and that type of give up isnt in their nature; however, kobe has proven time and time again, that a 7-10 point deficit is nothing for him to overcome.

i guess a miracle can happen and they fall asleep. doubt it though, from what ive seen.

fansince'76
05-23-2010, 12:41 AM
I think the Suns will make a stand, they wont get swept. They'll shoot a lot better at home and maybe play a lil D.

That would be a first for the Suns....

tony hipchest
05-23-2010, 07:22 PM
That would be a first for the Suns....

:chuckle: no shit. im hoping for atleast an entertaining game this evening. i didnt even bother watching the magic get the crap kicked out of them last night.

1. i pretty much saw the writing on the wall, and in my mind the outcome was already determined.
2. the nascar all-star race seemed much more promising and unpredictable.

i was correct on both counts. im looking forward to a 110-112 game tonight.

tony hipchest
05-24-2010, 06:02 PM
steve nash is hardcore. hes got hockey player written all over him. now im not squeemish, but i think i can do w/o the repeated close up shots of him trying to fix his broken nose on the court-

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that had my eyes watering when i first saw it.

tony hipchest
05-24-2010, 11:37 PM
finally! we get a basketball game that was worth its conference finals billing. just sucks that took until the 7th game with a team that had its back against the wall.

r. allen is ice. j. nelson is lucky. v. carter is invisible. p. pierce and d. howard look like mvp's.

wish the entire series was like this.

tony hipchest
05-26-2010, 12:36 AM
:sun: :sun: :sun:

is it to much to ask for kobe to hold a single press conference in his entire career w/o his arms folded and him scratching/tugging at his ear, or stroking his cheek with his left hand?

wtf is up with that??? :wtf:

its bugged me for years and i am sick of it.

i underrated the home court advantage in this series. i still think the lakers flip the switch back at home but i like the way the suns role players stepped up and had an answer. maybe it gives them some confidence to stretch this to 7 games.

maybe talks of phil jackson leaving to go coach LeNext in chicago or NYC is distracting the lakers. :noidea:

MasterOfPuppets
05-26-2010, 01:19 AM
is it to much to ask for kobe to hold a single press conference in his entire career w/o his arms folded and him scratching/tugging at his ear, or stroking his cheek with his left hand?

wtf is up with that??? :wtf:

its bugged me for years and i am sick of it.


he's a liar...:busted:
Signs of Deception:
Body Language of Lies:

Physical expression will be limited and stiff, with few arm and hand movements. Hand, arm and leg movement are toward their own body the liar takes up less space.
how to see a fake smile

A person who is lying to you will avoid making eye contact.

Hands touching their face, throat & mouth. Touching or scratching the nose or behind their ear. Not likely to touch his chest/heart with an open hand.
http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies.php

Dino 6 Rings
05-28-2010, 01:17 PM
Then end of last nights Suns Lakers game was real fun to witness.

tony hipchest
05-28-2010, 01:26 PM
Then end of last nights Suns Lakers game was real fun to witness.:banging:

that was a hell of a game. the suns comeback was very impressive. i had a bad feeling w/ 3.5 seconds left though. no team pulls shit out of their ass like the lakers. at the most critical time, kobe threw up one of his worst ducks to win a game.

and wouldnt you know... the big name free agent (who is essentially the TO or randy moss of NBA) earns his worth and bails them out.

they say you make your own luck. lakers sure seem to make a ton of it along the years (gambling refs throwing playoff games, aside).

Dino 6 Rings
05-28-2010, 01:31 PM
can't believe on that play not a single sun attempted to block out. What an ending.

I'd love to see this go to 7 and would LOVE to see the Magic pull out the 4 in a row over Boston just so the City of Boston fans, have not 1 epic failure in the Bruins, but TWO in the same Season.

That would have me giggling all summer long.

SteelersinCA
05-29-2010, 05:47 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/jack_mccallum/05/28/kobe/

LOS ANGELES -- Where and when the Great Free Agent Summer Summit takes place no one is certain at the moment. Ambassador Dwyane Wade has called it, and, presumably, fellow diplomats LeBron James, Joe Johnson and Chris Bosh (the attendance of the Toronto Raptors forward would make this a truly international meeting) will be there, too. We can only hope that a photographer is present to capture the moment, as one was at Yalta, where Roosevelt, Stalin and a fur-hatted Churchill famously met to figure out what the post-World War II world should look like, much as the future geography of the NBA will be sussed out this summer.

Meanwhile, a more isolationist-minded superpower named Kobe Bryant trudges on in this NBA postseason. Were the Los Angeles Lakers guard a free agent, I can't imagine that he would've accepted a seat at the summit, for in Kobe's world view ... well, there is no world view. There is what Kobe wants to do and nothing else. A summit is for others; Kobe will make his decisions in the solitude of self-reflection and, ultimately, arrive at them with certainty.

And so, as No. 24 laces them up for what could be a decisive Game 6 against the Suns in Phoenix on Saturday night, this would be a good time to remind everyone that, in many quarters, Bryant is now considered only the second-best player in the NBA.

Not in my book. Not yet. And probably not even next year, no matter where LeBron is playing.

The question of whether The King had surpassed The Kobester began to be asked quietly a couple seasons ago. Bryant was still the pick of most, but he engenders such enmity that many fans and journalists just couldn't wait until the NBA became LeBron's League. My own reading is that, by last season, a majority would've picked LeBron over Kobe, and after the Cleveland forward grabbed his second straight MVP award this season, that majority could be described as overwhelming.
Let me repeat: I was not one of them.

The idea that reputations are permanently made and permanently unmade in the postseason is uttered so often that we get tired of hearing it. But that doesn't mean it's false. It's the way it is. Cruel as it sounds, six months of sterling play can be erased by six weeks of mediocrity.

At this writing only a precious few insiders know exactly what happened to distract James during the Boston Celtics series. But something did. He let himself be taken out mentally, and not for the first time. By contrast, when throughout the 2003-04 season Bryant had to jet back and forth to Colorado for legal proceedings surrounding his sexual assault case, I never saw him turn off mentally. Of course it was a mental strain. He admitted as much. But on countless occasions he made big plays on the very days that he was traveling.
True, the Lakers did not win the title in the summer of 2004, but there were myriad problems with the franchise at that time: A war of wills between Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal (we see who won that one since Bryant is still there); the not-always-smooth integration of Karl Malone and Gary Payton into a lineup that had been fairly set; tensions between the front office and Phil Jackson, which, in this 360-world, might be happening again, a story for another day.

But let me propose another simply but often overlooked reason that Bryant remains superior to LeBron: Kobe is a better basketball player. Not a better athlete, which sometimes gets lost. A better basketball player. He dribbles better, passes better, has more ways to score and understands the game better. Which is not to say that LeBron is inferior in any of those areas. He is great. But he's not as good as Bryant.

When Kevin McHale was general manager in Minnesota, he used to complain that his scouts came back with reports like "jumps out of the gym" and "has running-back quickness." McHale used to tell them: "That's great if we're putting together a track team. But I'm looking for guys who can actually play basketball." (Feel free to make the obligatory mention that McHale was not an overwhelming success as an exec.)

The Suns are getting the whole Bryant basketball repertoire in this series. The absurd double-clutch jumper over Goran Dragic in the second quarter of Thursday's Game 5 win. The ridiculous three-minute span in the second quarter when he hit a 24-footer and two 25-footers to stretch the Lakers lead to 41-25. (The Suns call that shot "the rise-up." Bryant might be tightly guarded but he simply elevates above everyone and releases. It's unguardable, and he does it better than anyone ever, including Michael Jordan.)
The way that Bryant turned distributor in the fourth quarter when the Suns went fulltime to their vaunted 2-3 zone (which they had worked on for all of 15 minutes before unveiling it in the series), finding the dependable Derek Fisher in the corner and Lamar Odom down on the blocks. L.A. needed all of Bryant's game-high 30 points, 11 rebounds, and nine assists to hold on to the 103-101 Game 5 win. Had the scorekeeper been convinced that his fall-short turnaround jumper (that ended in Ron Artest's hands and the put-back miracle) was a pass, Bryant would've had a triple-double. Plus, he had four blocked shots.

To differentiate between Bryant and James, the Suns' Grant Hill, who has been charged with guarding both, turns to a baseball metaphor.
"LeBron has the pullup jumper and he takes you to the rim," said Hill. "He has the two pitches, and, trust me, both of them are great. But Kobe is like the guy with all the pitches. He brings his fastball, his change, gives you something on the corner. LeBron will overpower you but you might know what's coming. With Kobe, you're never comfortable."
There is also that ineffable something known as will. Earlier this season Orlando's feisty Matt Barnes was standing close to Bryant when he feigned throwing a ball at Bryant's face. Bryant never even flinched. "That scared me a little," Barnes said later. "I mean, that wasn't even human."

Bryant's will has, again, carried the Lakers this postseason.

Jeff Gross/Getty Images

Perhaps LeBron wouldn't have flinched either, but the simple fact remains that he has flinched in several key spots between the lines. Around the NBA LeBron's skills are universally respected, but it's not just the media that wonders if he lacks the right stuff when he most needs it. "Hey, they say if a dog doesn't bark as a puppy," said one player who desired anonymity, "he doesn't bark when he gets older either."

Actually, the one place where Bryant has not barked quite as loudly over the years has been in Phoenix. In the first round of the 2006 playoffs at US Airways Center he all but quit in Game 7 when he stopped shooting and at one point said, as he strolled by the Suns bench, "They expect me to play with him at center?" (He was talking about Kwame Brown.) And going into Game 6 the Lakers have lots of issues. It will be on their mind that they frittered away an 18-point lead at home in Game 5. The Suns are destroying Andrew Bynum (who was MIA on Thursday night) on pick-and-rolls, and LA.'s strategy of switching high and having a big man pick up Steve Nash failed miserably in Game 5 when Nash had 29 points. Jackson has searched among his backcourt backups (Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar and Sasha Vujacic) for some solid play on the road and has not found it. Plus, the Suns are really good, really deep and really determined.

With all that in mind, Phoenix has to be considered the favorite in Game 6. I don't disagree and see a strong possibility there will be a Game 7 back in L.A. on Monday. But Bryant scored 36 and 38 points in the Games 3 and 4 road losses in this series of this I am certain: He senses the urgency in this road game will come out barking very, very loudly.

SteelersinCA
05-29-2010, 09:56 PM
Werd.