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Vincent
05-19-2010, 09:44 PM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100519/capt.fe157917a8994a7ba2f897181646fd65-fe157917a8994a7ba2f897181646fd65-0.jpg?x=400&y=313&q=85&sig=xuB4sU6m0k.ZBtAi2k75cQ--

Who did this? What an expression. I wish they'd at least try. Shabby, shoddy, pathetic.

MACH1
05-19-2010, 10:02 PM
Thanks for burning my eyes out.

tony hipchest
05-19-2010, 10:10 PM
this from someone who drools over pics of my wife, estelle... :headshake:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/monkay.jpg

while not "all that" michelle isnt that bad looking. then again, i thought (and still think) mrs. bush is pretty damn cute too (although i'd have to scrub all that republican dirt out with a wire brush, and search for WMD before hittin it).

BTW... dont we already have about 10 threads about how michelle obama looks and her "fashion"?

i love it when die hard, blue collar steelerfans go all Cosmo on us :chuckle:

Shea
05-19-2010, 10:19 PM
Looks like a pretty dress to me and when you are constantly being photographed of course you'll get some funky facial expressions within those hundreds of photos.

Absolutely ridiculous that this is even a thread and even more disturbing that the starter of this thread could be so stupid. :rolleyes:

GBMelBlount
05-19-2010, 10:22 PM
Personally, I like the way she dresses....


http://trackacrat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/michelle-torso.jpg

Shea
05-19-2010, 10:24 PM
http://trackacrat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/michelle-torso.jpg

She looks to be the best dressed and least ridiculous of the three.

What's your point?

MACH1
05-19-2010, 10:25 PM
Looks like a pretty dress to me and when you are constantly being photographed of course you'll get some funky facial expressions within those hundreds of photos.

Absolutely ridiculous that this is even a thread and even more disturbing that the starter of this thread could be so stupid. :rolleyes:

You mean funky looks like this? :chuckle:

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/6/6/128887878888118436.jpg

Shea
05-19-2010, 10:28 PM
You mean funky looks like this? :chuckle:

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/6/6/128887878888118436.jpg

:buttkick: :chuckle:

GBMelBlount
05-19-2010, 10:43 PM
http://trackacrat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/michelle-torso.jpg

Shea

She looks to be the best dressed and least ridiculous of the three.

What's your point?

I stated my point in one sentence.

tony hipchest
05-19-2010, 10:44 PM
Personally, I like the way she dresses....



me too... but seriously mel, you should really think about ditching the orange crocks and socks. :hunch:

Shea
05-19-2010, 10:49 PM
I made my point. Now what's YOUR point?

Well, your original post just had the picture without what you then edited into say and gathering from the theme of the original post, I AGAIN ask what's YOUR POINT other than making fun of her.

And since you can't seem to ever keep from editting your posts, how about taking a little bit more time before hitting the submit button.

Shea
05-19-2010, 10:51 PM
I stated my point in one sentence.

Ugh.

No, originally you did no such thing.

Vincent
05-19-2010, 11:02 PM
this from someone who drools over pics of my wife, estelle... :headshake:

Look Tony, it's in poor taste to rub Mich's nose in the glow of Estelle's beauty while she looks ridiculous in that dress. Who did that to her?

Absolutely ridiculous that this is even a thread and even more disturbing that the starter of this thread could be so stupid. :rolleyes:

I'm a lot of things Sweetheart. Stupid ain't one of them.

Personally, I like the way she dresses....

http://trackacrat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/michelle-torso.jpg

Does she "dress" herself? Seriously. :rofl: The expressions on Alton and Mario are priceless. :toofunny: :sofunny:

Shea
05-19-2010, 11:10 PM
I'm a lot of things Sweetheart. Stupid ain't one of them.

Well snookems (:rolleyes:), my little lemon drop (:rolleyes:), that's a matter of opinion, and of course your own, but it is seriously up for debate from other's that come across you.

No offense of course, my little chocolate hunky chip ......

Vincent
05-19-2010, 11:35 PM
...that's a matter of opinion, and of course your own, but it is seriously up for debate from other's that come across you...

You seem to have missed the point of the thread. This individual shows up at a state dinner looking her usual ridiculous. I'll be charitable and "give her" that it isn't her fault. She clearly doesn't know any better. But her "staff" should.

For those unfamiliar with state dinners, this is how the First lady should dress...

http://www.peteykins.com/sparklepics4/LauraBush091508.jpg

http://z.about.com/d/middleeast/1/0/K/B/-/-/1029-M6.jpg

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/50464005.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=E41C9FE5C4AA0A1453EF54BFF0106C3B1D0FE04885381078 95877878DB841B9FB01E70F2B3269972

In other words, dress for the occasion, your station, your guests, and in something that becomes you. Look lovely, dignified, and every bit the First Lady of the United States of America. Try not to look like a defensive end in an ill fitting evening dress..

Vincent
05-19-2010, 11:42 PM
You mean funky looks like this? :chuckle:

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/6/6/128887878888118436.jpg

This one's my fave Mich pic...

http://mommylife.net/archives/2009/06/08/michelle%20carla.jpg

...if looks could kill.

Shea
05-19-2010, 11:46 PM
I didn't at all miss the point of this thread.

Look back at the original picture. She is properly dressed and looking elegant for a woman of her age.

Christ, from what you are saying and blindly believing due to your politcal hatred towards the Obama's and therefore you see what isn't right in front of your face but view her as if she walkled out completely nude. Wake up already.

I respect you and other's political views but c'mon already. Can't you see how you're hatred - which will always lead you astray - isn't out of control?

tony hipchest
05-19-2010, 11:51 PM
just to put it out there...

i would never hit nancy and her red dress sucked.

:hunch:

but the white buttons with Say NO To Drugs were pretty cool. :thumbsup:

Shea
05-19-2010, 11:54 PM
http://mrs-o.org/storage/c268-1.jpg

GASP! Look at Nancy back in the day showing that shoulder.

OH MY GOD!

Shea
05-19-2010, 11:59 PM
http://neoneocon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/jackie_kennedy-210x315.jpg

Oh my ...... :rolleyes:

Oh wait, wrong party .....

tony hipchest
05-20-2010, 12:04 AM
http://mrs-o.org/storage/c268-1.jpg

GASP! Look at Nancy back in the day showing that shoulder.

OH MY GOD!

:puke:

her tiny third boob is hanging out!

(her posing with that wax museum statue is pretty tacky, too.)

Shea
05-20-2010, 12:10 AM
:puke:

her tiny third boob is hanging out!

(her posing with that wax museum statue is pretty tacky, too.)

:sofunny:

I F'n give up! :noidea:

tony hipchest
05-20-2010, 12:25 AM
:sofunny:

I F'n give up! :noidea:my bad.

there was a tiny speck on my screen that made it look exactly like her tiny third nipple.

MACH1
05-20-2010, 12:29 AM
Try not to look like a defensive end in an ill fitting evening dress..

http://thedaleygator.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/arms.jpg

:sofunny:

Shea
05-20-2010, 12:36 AM
Ok, maybe I'm not going to give up .....

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q71/Tinkas82/mo.jpg

I think her sense of style is beautiful and classy and I also think if she was married to any other man on this earth then the people on this board would actually finally see her for what she is and the beauty of this woman.

Just a shame politics is blinding and not only unfair but sadly hateful.

zulater
05-20-2010, 05:53 AM
Personally, I like the way she dresses....


http://trackacrat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/michelle-torso.jpg

While I think this thread is mostly, how do I want to say this? Put it this way, I'm not a big fan on attacking woman for their fashion sense, I don't want to be the new Mr. Blackwell, or whatever the hell that gay guy who died a couple years ago name was that made a living out of petty sniping comments on celebrities fashion sense.

Anyway disclaimer aside, some of these are so damn funny that you can't help but laugh. And as for this picture, well let's put it this way somewhere out there Linus is saying, " I told you there was really a Great pumpkin, Charlie Brown!" :chuckle:

, "

fansince'76
05-20-2010, 06:01 AM
I think her sense of style is beautiful and classy and I also think if she was married to any other man on this earth then the people on this board would actually finally see her for what she is and the beauty of this woman.

Doubtful....

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/garyb12001/estherobama.jpg

xfl2001fan
05-20-2010, 07:29 AM
Ok, maybe I'm not going to give up .....

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q71/Tinkas82/mo.jpg

I think her sense of style is beautiful and classy and I also think if she was married to any other man on this earth then the people on this board would actually finally see her for what she is and the beauty of this woman.

Just a shame politics is blinding and not only unfair but sadly hateful.

The picture you post is from a magazine is it not? That's not BO or his wife choosing the outfit, that's the magazing choosing for them.

I've have seen far too many outfits that she's worn that were WTF type outfits.

Thatt has nothing to do with political affiliation. Just recognizing an ugly outfit.

As for being a beautiful woman. Like most women, she can do a lot to make herself look pretty...but there are so many pics out there (such is the life of a public figure) that are less than flattering. I've seen my wife look drop-dead gorgeous...and there were times I went searching for the ugly "cord of wood" that she stumbled over (usually when she's in a bad mood.)

Her (Michelle Obama) general disposition (when she's not posturing for a camera) seems to be of someone who is rarely happy. It may be because she's a Type A personality who needs to always be active. I don't know.

SteelerEmpire
05-20-2010, 08:15 AM
Call her what you will and say anything about her you may, but....I got my money on that Michelle could whip any of the other first ladies a$$... :wink02:
.... and most of our previous noodle-back Presidents as well...

revefsreleets
05-20-2010, 08:21 AM
Even though it's pretty obvious MO dresses in a very tacky fashion much of the time, I'm not a fan of "family bashing".

Her husband has given us PLENTY of material to work with all on his own...

Vincent
05-20-2010, 08:55 AM
Call her what you will and say anything about her you may, but....I got my money on that Michelle could whip any of the other first ladies a$$... :wink02:
.... and most of our previous noodle-back Presidents as well...

Hey, I wouldn't mouth off to her. She'd beat me up and take my lunch money. I take my shots from a safe distance.

SteelerEmpire
05-20-2010, 09:19 AM
Hey, I wouldn't mouth off to her. She'd beat me up and take my lunch money. I take my shots from a safe distance.

lol... Born and raised in Chicago too... She could easily give more than half the male population an arse whippin they would'ent forget.... Chi town style....

smokin3000gt
05-20-2010, 11:17 AM
this from someone who drools over pics of my wife, estelle... :headshake:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/monkay.jpg

while not "all that" michelle isnt that bad looking. then again, i thought (and still think) mrs. bush is pretty damn cute too (although i'd have to scrub all that republican dirt out with a wire brush, and search for WMD before hittin it).

BTW... dont we already have about 10 threads about how michelle obama looks and her "fashion"?

i love it when die hard, blue collar steelerfans go all Cosmo on us :chuckle:

Are you kidding?? She looks like a tranny!

Bng_Hevn
05-20-2010, 12:17 PM
I didn't at all miss the point of this thread.

Look back at the original picture. She is properly dressed and looking elegant for a woman of her age.

Christ, from what you are saying and blindly believing due to your politcal hatred towards the Obama's and therefore you see what isn't right in front of your face but view her as if she walkled out completely nude. Wake up already.

I respect you and other's political views but c'mon already. Can't you see how you're hatred - which will always lead you astray - isn't out of control?

You're still missing the point. In laymen's terms, she is totally CLASSLESS!!!!!!

And BTW, the post with pics of Bush's also had Clinton's, I don't think the hatred for Obama is too far behind that of Clinton BUT Hillary was still sensible enough to dress appropriately.

Neither Obama has any class though, they've exhibited that from the get-go.

Bng_Hevn
05-20-2010, 12:22 PM
Call her what you will and say anything about her you may, but....I got my money on that Michelle could whip any of the other first ladies a$$... :wink02:
.... and most of our previous noodle-back Presidents as well...

Above Point proven.

SCSTILLER
05-20-2010, 12:23 PM
Call her what you will and say anything about her you may, but....I got my money on that Michelle could whip any of the other first ladies a$$... :wink02:
.... and most of our previous noodle-back Presidents as well...

I'll take that bet :wink02:! I would put Eleanor Roosevelt in a fight with Mrs. Obama. Good ole Eleanor would have pulled out the heat

smokin3000gt
05-20-2010, 03:27 PM
http://thedaleygator.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/arms.jpg

:sofunny:

LMFAO

Vincent
05-20-2010, 04:00 PM
I'll take that bet :wink02:! I would put Eleanor Roosevelt in a fight with Mrs. Obama. Good ole Eleanor would have pulled out the heat

Yeahbit Eleanor would be "channeling" somebody else. It'd be fun to watch though. Venue?

SCSTILLER
05-20-2010, 06:54 PM
Yeahbit Eleanor would be "channeling" somebody else. It'd be fun to watch though. Venue?

Hmmmmm? Would have to be somewhere outdoors and enclosed. Oh, got it!, a Marine Sniper School Range

Vincent
05-20-2010, 09:09 PM
http://mrs-o.org/storage/c268-1.jpg

GASP! Look at Nancy back in the day showing that shoulder.

OH MY GOD!

That is most unbecoming.

http://neoneocon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/jackie_kennedy-210x315.jpg

Oh my ...... :rolleyes:

Oh wait, wrong party .....

No "party" about it. Mrs Kennedy could have made a dirty burlap sack look good.

Just a shame politics is blinding and not only unfair but sadly hateful.

What "hate"? She looked ridiculous in that ill fitting Peter Soronen. My opening comment was "Who did this?". And BTW, what did that thing cost? Any Republican First Lady was ripped for showing up in expensive dresses. And that isn't "hate"?

Shea
05-21-2010, 12:10 AM
Funniest post came from Tony's need to clean his monitor since it seems to be leading him nipple astray :chuckle: but humor from Tony is a given. And thank God for that - it's desperately needed around here.

I'm not a fan of "family bashing".

What isn't a given is me agreeing with Revs. Hell has officially frozen over.

That's the best message and sentiment - one in which we should all follow - of the thread.

Say what you want about the President, and God knows you all will - daily, hourly, etc :rolleyes:, but leave her and the rest of his family alone. They should be off limits.

Vincent
05-21-2010, 09:17 AM
Say what you want about the President, and God knows you all will - daily, hourly, etc :rolleyes:, but leave her and the rest of his family alone. They should be off limits.

The left rails on Republican First Families mercilessly. They were particularly brutal to Barbara Bush. Personal stuff. Uncalled for.

IMHO what is "newsworthy" is newsworthy.

bho's children are too young to create "news" and I haven't seen any commentary on them. Its probably "out there" but I haven't looked for it because I don't care. The "Bush twins" made news by their behavior. Bad Patty did the same. Chelsea? Meh. Amy Carter was a "prop" for her dad. Billy Carter was a reality show looking for a place to happen.

Mich is political. If anybody on this planet "hates", it is "the president's" bundle of love and joy. She's "fair game". To date, in this hallowed forum I have commented on her occasional regrettable "looks", and then, only in the most sincere sense of concern for the Nation's reputation for "fashion sense". Again, this thread began with "Who did this?". That was a "fair" question. Another "fair" question, as defined by "the media" is "What did that trainwreck cost?". That question was asked of any Republican First Lady that appeared in anything more than a "house dress".

The First Families have chosen to place themselves in the limelight. They are "fair game" for anything the "media" deem newsworthy. Save the sanctimony of "but leave her and the rest of his family alone.". Its bull@#$%.

SteelCityMom
05-21-2010, 11:40 AM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100519/capt.fe157917a8994a7ba2f897181646fd65-fe157917a8994a7ba2f897181646fd65-0.jpg?x=400&y=313&q=85&sig=xuB4sU6m0k.ZBtAi2k75cQ--

Who did this? What an expression. I wish they'd at least try. Shabby, shoddy, pathetic.

This obviously isn't a "photo-op" opportunity, and the dress isn't that bad...but I myself could care less about fashion (celebrity, political or otherwise).

I bet if hundreds of photographers were standing around at an event constantly taking pictures any one of us would be seen giving some very awkward faces.

This is very TMZish.

SteelCityMom
05-21-2010, 11:44 AM
The left rails on Republican First Families mercilessly. They were particularly brutal to Barbara Bush. Personal stuff. Uncalled for.

IMHO what is "newsworthy" is newsworthy.

bho's children are too young to create "news" and I haven't seen any commentary on them. Its probably "out there" but I haven't looked for it because I don't care. The "Bush twins" made news by their behavior. Bad Patty did the same. Chelsea? Meh. Amy Carter was a "prop" for her dad. Billy Carter was a reality show looking for a place to happen.

Mich is political. If anybody on this planet "hates", it is "the president's" bundle of love and joy. She's "fair game". To date, in this hallowed forum I have commented on her occasional regrettable "looks", and then, only in the most sincere sense of concern for the Nation's reputation for "fashion sense". Again, this thread began with "Who did this?". That was a "fair" question. Another "fair" question, as defined by "the media" is "What did that trainwreck cost?". That question was asked of any Republican First Lady that appeared in anything more than a "house dress".

The First Families have chosen to place themselves in the limelight. They are "fair game" for anything the "media" deem newsworthy. Save the sanctimony of "but leave her and the rest of his family alone.". Its bull@#$%.

Then comment on her political stuff, not her dress or random facial expression lol. Doing that just comes across as something a tabloid rag would do. And yes, of course the dress cost a lot of money. I've seen more hideos dresses that cost a lot more though.

fansince'76
05-21-2010, 11:44 AM
Billy Carter was a reality show looking for a place to happen.

Good point. He was about 20-25 years too early, actually.

fansince'76
05-21-2010, 11:50 AM
Then comment on her political stuff, not her dress or random facial expression lol. Doing that just comes across as something a tabloid rag would do.

Y'mean like this?

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=26959

What's good for the goose....

Vincent
05-21-2010, 12:48 PM
This obviously isn't a "photo-op" opportunity...

Well, actually is WAS the "photo op". That's why it was worthy of comment.

...and the dress isn't that bad...but I myself could care less about fashion (celebrity, political or otherwise).

The dress is a matter of taste. No comment. It was not the right choice for Mich for several reasons - it doesn't become her, it is poorly tailored for her, and it was a state dinner. Aside from those, I couldn't give a @#$% less about fashion.

This is very TMZish.

Actually, this was Yahoo!'s lead photo from that "photo op". That's where I got it.

Otherwise, I wouldn't have even noticed.

SteelCityMom
05-21-2010, 12:55 PM
Y'mean like this?

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=26959

What's good for the goose....

Not sure why that pertains to what I said...I didn't make that thread. Again, I've seen worse dresses that cost a lot more.

Edman
05-21-2010, 01:00 PM
Lol. That Cray-zee Obama. Not only are his priorities wrong and his policies illogical, he's also got people dressing badly.

Will the madness end?

SteelCityMom
05-21-2010, 01:02 PM
Well, actually is WAS the "photo op". That's why it was worthy of comment.

When I say photo-op I mean that this wasn't her posing for a spread in a magazine, ya know, where they only pick the best photo(s) to print in the mag (unless it's a tabloid). This was her at an event where hundreds of photographers are snapping her every movement, of course there's going to be some awkward photos lol.



Actually, this was Yahoo!'s lead photo from that "photo op". That's where I got it.

Otherwise, I wouldn't have even noticed.

So what if it was Yahoo? They aren't in the business of showing people "in their best light" if you know what I mean. Negative stories (and pictures) sell. That's why TMZ and the National Enquirer are so dang popular. Regular folks LOVE to see rich folks looking drab. It makes them feel better. Plus, how many hits do you think this story on Yahoo would get if it lead with a print photo of the First Lady that read "Michelle Obama looking fabulous again!" Nobody wants to read that.

Vincent
05-21-2010, 01:11 PM
"Michelle Obama looking fabulous again!" Nobody wants to read that.

"Again"? That'd be a first. :rofl: I'd read it.

Steelerstrength
05-21-2010, 01:14 PM
Well, actually is WAS the "photo op". That's why it was worthy of comment.



The dress is a matter of taste. No comment. It was not the right choice for Mich for several reasons - it doesn't become her, it is poorly tailored for her, and it was a state dinner. Aside from those, I couldn't give a @#$% less about fashion.



Actually, this was Yahoo!'s lead photo from that "photo op". That's where I got it.

Otherwise, I wouldn't have even noticed.

Well, Vincent, you certainly do have an eye for womens fashion! :thmbup:

SteelCityMom
05-21-2010, 03:51 PM
"Again"? That'd be a first. :rofl: I'd read it.

I bet you would. You seem "up to date" on all the latest fashion trends and who's "ach ja oder nicht nicht".

Here's some more pertinent fashion stories about Michelle O from TMZ. They're way more in the know than Yahoo.


Michelle Obama -- Fashion Diva or Disaster?

Originally posted Apr 4th 2009 9:29 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

Sweatergate 2009! Michelle Obama wore a sweater when she met with Queen Elizabeth II this week, and her wardrobe choice has kicked up major drama in the fashion world.

The First Lady often wears affordable American brand clothes to events, and apparently Oscar de la Renta isn't happy about it. He told Women's Wear Daily, "You don't...go to Buckingham Palace in a sweater."

But in this economy, if the First Lady wears clothes most Americans can afford -- isn't that a good thing?

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/04/michelle-obama-fashion-diva-or-disater/#ixzz0obEiF01x

Here's one about her taking off her heels after walking around for hours. Shocking!!!

Michelle Obama: Heel Me

Originally posted Jan 20th 2009 11:46 PM PST by TMZ Staff

After 12 hours on her feet, First Lady Michelle Obama appeared in pain and seemed to take off her Jimmy Choo green kitten heels to let her dogs breathe.

Walking in her shoes is no easy feat.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/01/21/michelle-obama-heel-me/#ixzz0obFOvB3F


And others...

http://www.tmz.com/person/michelle-obama/

revefsreleets
05-21-2010, 04:09 PM
I understand "tit for tat".

But i thought it was wrong for the left to go after Bush's daughters and wife, too. I'm recusing myself from this particular fight...it's stooping too low for me.

Shea
05-22-2010, 12:24 AM
Mich is political. If anybody on this planet "hates", it is "the president's" bundle of love and joy. She's "fair game".

The First Families have chosen to place themselves in the limelight. They are "fair game" for anything the "media" deem newsworthy. Save the sanctimony of "but leave her and the rest of his family alone.". Its bull@#$%.


Do please elaborate on the bolded part of your post in which I've quoted. I can't wait to see what you come up with, so my curiosity has me seriously hoping you will LOGICALLY answer this question.

The first families are more often than not anything but just supportive spouses to their husbands political aspirations and are therefore backing the people within their lives they love the most.

And as far as past discretions against first ladies and their children, those were also wrong and shameful.

Hell, according to your logic, since recently in my community there have been reports of spousal abuse, drunken driving, child neglect, and chronic usage of debilitating drugs, just to name a few. So since this has all previously happened, therefore I'm not to be held accountable if I choose to also engage in any of these behaviors. Great logic ya got going there Vinny. :rolleyes:

Some of the shit that flies around here seriously has me shaking me head and wondering what the hell is going on in the minds of the people within our country.

Shea
05-22-2010, 12:40 AM
Oh, and one other thing ....

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q71/Tinkas82/d.jpg

What a beautiful dress and appropriately worn by what I see as an equally beautiful woman.

HometownGal
05-22-2010, 04:22 AM
Doubtful....

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/garyb12001/estherobama.jpg

:toofunny::toofunny:

I have to agree - I see absolutely nothing attractive about Michelle. There are a plethora of absolutely gorgeous African American women out there, but she just aint one of 'em imho. Though I dislike her fashion sense for the most part, I dislike her as a person and a First Lady even more.

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-22-2010, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by SteelCityMom

Michelle Obama -- Fashion Diva or Disaster?

The First Lady often wears affordable American brand clothes to events, and apparently Oscar de la Renta isn't happy about it. He told Women's Wear Daily, "You don't...go to Buckingham Palace in a sweater."

But in this economy, if the First Lady wears clothes most Americans can afford -- isn't that a good thing?

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/04/michel...#ixzz0obEiF01x





Michelle Obama: Heel Me

Originally posted Jan 20th 2009 11:46 PM PST by TMZ Staff

After 12 hours on her feet, First Lady Michelle Obama appeared in pain and seemed to take off her Jimmy Choo green kitten heels to let her dogs breathe.

Walking in her shoes is no easy feat.


Uh....Can't have it both ways. Jimmy Choo isnt exactly "affordable" footwear. Hey, I have no problem with the first lady wearing nice shoes for presidential events....but dont piss on my leg and tell me its raining. Italian leather $500 dollar shoes are not "economical".

Vincent
05-22-2010, 11:49 AM
Mich is political. If anybody on this planet "hates", it is "the president's" bundle of love and joy.

Do please elaborate on the bolded part of your post in which I've quoted. I can't wait to see what you come up with, so my curiosity has me seriously hoping you will LOGICALLY answer this question.

To this point I have made a comment from which you inferred “logic” that I didn’t articulate. But since you asked so nicely, I’ll apply my logic to my comment.

First, every First Lady has engaged in politics and has a political agenda. To even suggest otherwise, at minimum, marginalizes these women as the stereotype that women have struggled to overcome since before suffrage. Every FL has had a defined agenda, a staff and the requisite congressional, media, and private sector apparati to promote and achieve said agenda. Nancy’s was anti-drug, Barbara’s was literacy, Hillary’s was “health care”, Laura’s was children’s and women’s issues. That Mich hasn’t articulated a “cause” per se does not make her apolitical, although it does raise questions about her efficacy as a FL. Mich became “political” the first time she made a speech, as has anyone that has ever done so.

Second, “hate” is a term that is widely used by the left to disparage disagreement with the left, “label” those in disagreement, and to attempt to marginalize positions contrary to their own. It’s actual definition ranges broadly from to “esteem less” to overt “hostility”. If you apply the more central definition, “aversion usually deriving from fear, anger or sense of injury”, you have a usable word, rather than the political weapon the word has become, and in that a means of understanding Mich.

Unlike bho, Mich grew up in “normal” circumstances, meaning a “nuclear family”. While hers was a “working class” childhood (like ours), she benefited from having her Mother at home to rear the children, and by all accounts from quality education up to and through Princeton. She was not “disadvantaged”. Her “hate”, and I use the central definition, is evident in her now famous Princeton thesis (yes, I’ve read it), her public commentary including from whence she and bho came, and her seminal proclamation that “this is the first time I have been proud of my country”. Her “anger and sense of injury” towards white people defines who she is.

The first families are more often than not anything but just supportive spouses to their husbands political aspirations and are therefore backing the people within their lives they love the most.

They aren’t just standing around. They’re involved. On that we agree. But in their involvement, they are political.

And as far as past discretions against first ladies and their children, those were also wrong and shameful.

That’s politics.

Hell, according to your logic, since recently in my community there have been reports of spousal abuse, drunken driving, child neglect, and chronic usage of debilitating drugs, just to name a few. So since this has all previously happened, therefore I'm not to be held accountable if I choose to also engage in any of these behaviors. Great logic ya got going there Vinny. :rolleyes:

You lost me with the second sentence. But you seem to infer a “logic” where none was presented. The behavior of your neighbors doesn’t define who you are beyond your reaction to that behavior. The company you keep does. Again, I refer to Mich’s highly instructive observations of “Blacks” and “Whites” in her thesis as an articulation of who she is, her agreement with that statement (“the company you keep”), that revealed identity as the foundation for hers (and bho’s) 20+ year tutelage under the “reverend’ Wright that distilled her identity into what it is today, and her stated affinity for Saul Allinsky.

"... the community organizer ... must first rub raw the resentments of the people;
fan the latent hostilities to the point of overt expression.'
-- Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals

Mich, by any definition, is a radical, albeit a carefully repackaged radical so as to not upset the “White” folks. And, interestingly, who she is today is no more a result of a “disadvantaged childhood” than who you are is the result of the behavior of your neighbors. So, on that point, I guess we agree.

Some of the shit that flies around here seriously has me shaking me head and wondering what the hell is going on in the minds of the people within our country.

And all it takes is a regrettable choice of dress to set it off.

tony hipchest
05-22-2010, 12:15 PM
Y'mean like this?

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=26959

What's good for the goose....horrible example.

that thread was way more about a political statement and discussion about the upper 5% paying higher taxes.

even sarah palin ripping off the RNC for $250,000 in clothes wouldnt be a good example.

this thread is nothing more than hating on the first lady herself, and partisan internet jockeys doing their best steven cojocaru impersonnation.

so let me guess... FOX news and followers and "friends" will hate her fashion and CNN will love it.

(InStyle.com) -- What makes Michelle Obama's style so exciting? It's youthful, accessible and irreverent.

Case in point: the wow-worthy Peter Soronen gown she wore to this week's state dinner honoring Mexico. We're still talking about it, and how she consistently pulls off enviable looks with ease.

Here are 10 lessons we've learned so far from our very fashionable first lady:

1) Wear bold colors: Mrs. O isn't afraid of brilliant purple, lush green or even a sparkling electric blue, as we saw at Wednesday's state dinner. "

There's always somebody who will say, 'I wouldn't have worn that color,'" she once told Time magazine. "...But if you're comfortable in the choice and it resonates with you, then all that other stuff -- it's just conversation."

We love that she breaks out of the usual litany of black and beige, especially amongst the sea of neutrals favored in Washington, D.C.

InStyle.com: Obama's rainbow wardrobe



Gallery: Calderon state dinner 2) Choose a versatile hairstyle: Obama's modern bob is sleek, flattering and can handle fun curls (as seen at the state dinner) as well as it can the occasional up-tuck.

"The hair is just like any other accessory," her personal hairstylist Johnny Wright told us. "Some styles are made for hair only when it's blown-out straight. You want a cut that's made for both curly and straight looks." Once you have the perfect cut, the styling options are endless!

InStyle.com: Tips from Obama's hair stylist

3) Wear clothes that flatter: With arms like hers, going sleeveless is a no-brainer. Obama also favors flattering knee-length skirts and structured jackets. Know your body and embrace it: "I've learned to go with colors and cuts that look good on me, that I'm comfortable in," Obama told People magazine.

4) Try new labels: Starting inauguration day, when she chose a Jason Wu gown for the ball, the first lady has been a staunch supporter of up-and-coming designers, including Jasmin Shokrian, L'Wren Scott and Prabal Gurung. While we all have our favorite designers and stores, being open to new labels helps keep a wardrobe exciting.

5) Don't fear prints: From a graphic print dress by Diane Von Furstenberg to a peppy floral dress by Thakoon to a gorgeous violet and green scarf from Prova, Obama has proven she can fearlessly navigate prints like a seasoned fashionista. If you're new to prints, start incorporating them slowly, pairing tonal patterned separates with solids.

6) Work with a personal shopper: Chicago store owner Ikram Goldman acts as Obama's personal style whisperer, vetting flattering looks and helping her curate a very chic personal style. Many stores feature a complimentary personal shopping service take advantage of it!

InStyle.com: How to flaunt it like the first lady

7) Mix high and low: There are as many pieces from J. Crew in her wardrobe as there are from Lanvin. A true style icon knows when to splurge, when to save and how to mix and match the high-end with the bargains. "Some of my favorite summer dresses are from Gap and H&M," she told People.

8) Support American brands: Proving she truly supports the American dream, Mrs. O's wardrobe is packed with pieces from first and second generation Americans like Thakoon Panichgul, Narciso Rodriguez and Wu. She's also a fan of accessible Americana labels like Gap and Talbots.

9) Stock your wardrobe with cardigans: From J. Crew to Junya Watanabe and Moschino, Obama has a wardrobe full of cardigans. Take her cue and pair them with everything from skirts and blouses to glitzy gowns.

10) Anchor your look with signature pieces: For Obama, that means belts and pins. "It's amazing what you can do to dress up an outfit with a big belt or pretty pin," she told People. She cinches belts over coats, cardigans and blouses. They add a personal touch to each look and highlight her curves. As for her brooches, she advised "The View" audience: "Put a little pin on [the dress] and you've got something going on!"

For tons more on Michelle Obama's style, visit InStyle.com!


go figure... big supreise there. :wave:

stillers4me
05-22-2010, 12:26 PM
I have no idea what any of you are talking about.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/sueincinci/85768857.jpg

MACH1
05-22-2010, 12:50 PM
http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2009/06/michelle-obama-london-lady.jpg


http://www.theurbangrind.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/michelle-obamas-london-outfit.jpg

It's the new fashion "Bag Lady Chic"

The Patriot
05-22-2010, 01:56 PM
Oh, and one other thing ....

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q71/Tinkas82/d.jpg

What a beautiful dress and appropriately worn by what I see as an equally beautiful woman.

What?! A Flavescent silk dress? 2003 just called. They want their August apparel back. :sissies:

Seriously, when your wife asks you how she looks you say "yes dear."

urgle burgle
05-22-2010, 03:42 PM
although it is "cute" in a way to point at our first lady and certain missteps in fashion, im sure other first ladies have looked "awkward" at times in dress. this has been posted above. i think it takes creedence and clarity away from the real issues at hand. see "birther" movement.

but, yeah, sometimes she looks like she dresses more like her kids, then what we are used too. id hit it. course im lonely. and it would be more like a grudge, power trip kinda thing.

Texasteel
05-22-2010, 05:00 PM
horrible example.

that thread was way more about a political statement and discussion about the upper 5% paying higher taxes.

even sarah palin ripping off the RNC for $250,000 in clothes wouldnt be a good example.

this thread is nothing more than hating on the first lady herself, and partisan internet jockeys doing their best steven cojocaru impersonnation.

so let me guess... FOX news and followers and "friends" will hate her fashion and CNN will love it.



go figure... big supreise there. :wave:

I don't think it is hating on the first lady, although I admit I do not care for her much. I think it has to do with approving of her clothing. It is not the first lady's place to make policy, but it is to put an appealing face to the county her husband is the leader of . I do not like her taste, or lack of, in style, I said before the election that they needed to hire someone to dress the lady. There are times when it looks like they have filled that position, but other times it looks as though she just decided to wear what ever she wants. Like her or not, I still don't like her taste in clothing and often wish that someone would dress her.

Leftoverhard
05-22-2010, 10:37 PM
Let's get these guys some barbies so they can play dress-up and pretend to make their own little first lady wear something they like.
Has anyone else noticed that these are all DUDES who are capping on what a lady is wearing?
I never thought i'd see a bunch of grown men commenting on dress fashions.
Cue twilight zone music.

Shea
05-22-2010, 10:54 PM
her public commentary including from whence she and bho came, and her seminal proclamation that “this is the first time I have been proud of my country”. Her “anger and sense of injury” towards white people defines who she is.

This is where you loose me. I admit I've never read her thesis but have heard many, many people proclaim vehemently that she is a racist.

I true racist wouldn't marry a man whose mother was a race in which they despise would they? Those nasty and persistent bloodlines would taint her children afterall. :rolleyes:

Mich is political. If anybody on this planet "hates", it is "the president's" bundle of love and joy.

Nothing within your post supported or proved the validity of the above quote. Just makes me wonder who are the people within this thread that are truly hateful.

Every interview I've seen of Michelle, has shown a compassionate, caring, and intelligent woman free of hatred which is almost impossible to mask if it existed.

tony hipchest
05-22-2010, 10:57 PM
Let's get these guys some barbies so they can play dress-up and pretend to make their own little first lady wear something they like.
Has anyone else noticed that these are all DUDES who are capping on what a lady is wearing?
I never thought i'd see a bunch of grown men commenting on dress fashions.
Cue twilight zone music.

well i guess grown men do make this sort of commentary-

s_nxZPt34CA

but this is a steelers fanboard. i thought this was the blue collar, steel worker fanbase, who didnt need cheerleaders. (God forbid if we actually had cheerleaders, or else the fans in this thread may start judging their make up) :doh:

seriously, i hope no ravenfans stumble across this thread and post it on their board absolutely clowning these fashion guys.

i am almost embarrassed, and wouldnt even expect this type of fruitiness on a 49ers board. ST stands for steelersfever, not san francisco.

:wave: barbie dolls and man cards are located at the door upon exit. take your pick.

Shea
05-22-2010, 11:21 PM
Her “anger and sense of injury” towards white people defines who she is.

One more thing about this Vincent.

How could a woman that has lived as long as she has not been damaged and injured due to the racism she herself has endured. It doesn't at all define her, it's just unfortunately the reality of her existence in this world where constant ignorance continuously leads to horribly treating people of a different color of skin.

I'm as white as it gets, yet I've learned enough in my life to know that black people have deep wounds that we can't even begin to imagine.

Vincent
05-22-2010, 11:37 PM
This is where you loose me. I admit I've never read her thesis but have heard many, many people proclaim vehemently that she is a racist.

I understand her perspective in her theses. I do not read it as racist, rather as the definition I used - “aversion (to white people) usually deriving from fear, anger or sense of injury”. I have not walked in her shoes but can imagine how she might have felt at Princeton. She expressed the injury of the "Black" in the "White" world, not in so many words, but it was the undercurrent of the thesis. She didn't express fear or anger.

She talked a lot about black people struggling with being black in a white world, some sticking to their own culture, some leaving, and the range of effects. I didn't read any of it as "racist" per se. Frankly, that is an over and misused word like "hate".

What I did see in their campaign was the same young woman that I read in the thesis and that is a concern as she is now the First Lady. That's baggage that can cause problems in her role.

Nothing within your post supported or proved the validity of the above quote. Just makes me wonder who are the people within this thread that are truly hateful.

I explained my logic. Whether or not you buy it is your option. "Hate"? Meh.

Every interview I've seen of Michelle, has shown a compassionate, caring, and intelligent woman free of hatred which is almost impossible to mask if it existed.

I haven't seen many Mich appearances. The ones I have seen apparently aren't the same ones you've seen.

But back to the OP. Wrong dress. Poor fit. Though she did look the part in your "Oh, and one other thing ...." post. So she does "have it in her" look wise. She just needs better handlers.

Vincent
05-22-2010, 11:42 PM
One more thing about this Vincent.

How could a woman that has lived as long as she has not been damaged and injured due to the racism she herself has endured. It doesn't at all define her, it's just unfortunately the reality of her existence in this world where constant ignorance continuously leads to horribly treating people of a different color of skin.

I'm as white as it gets, yet I've learned enough in my life to know that black people have deep wounds that we can't even begin to imagine.

I agree with every word you said except the bold. On that we disagree.

Still hate the dress.

Vincent
05-22-2010, 11:52 PM
(God forbid if we actually had cheerleaders, or else the fans in this thread may start judging their make up) :doh:

We don't need cheerleaders because we know what to cheer for. The other ninnies apparently don't, or don't have much else going on on the field.

seriously, i hope no ravenfans stumble across this thread and post it on their board absolutely clowning these fashion guys.

A fan of a team dressed as the rats do has no place to comment. On anything.

fansince'76
05-23-2010, 12:20 AM
horrible example.

No, not really. Please go back and reread the "Newsvine" article featured in the Yahoo link in the OP in that thread: "Cindy McCain sets tone for GOP fashion" (http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/04/1828851-cindy-mccain-sets-tone-for-gop-fashion)

And then look at the post I was responding to:

Then comment on her political stuff, not her dress or random facial expression lol. Doing that just comes across as something a tabloid rag would do.

A couple of excerpts from the "Newsvine" article:

Vanity Fair editors estimated that McCain's fierce saffron shirt dress with the popped collar, diamond earrings, four-strand pearl necklace, white Chanel watch and strappy shoes totaled up to $313,100....

....While Bush's fashion sense has blossomed into subtle elegance, McCain is still evolving in her style. The purple pant suit and leather jackets of the early part of her campaign have given way to crisper, more contemporary dresses with richer colors.

I fail to see what any of that had to do with her husband's level of effectiveness in governing this country had he been elected. See what I'm getting at here? That being said, I personally couldn't give two shits less what Michelle Obama wears. However, Vincent is also correct in saying that she is a "target" given her position.

Texasteel
05-23-2010, 05:34 AM
well i guess grown men do make this sort of commentary-

s_nxZPt34CA

but this is a steelers fanboard. i thought this was the blue collar, steel worker fanbase, who didnt need cheerleaders. (God forbid if we actually had cheerleaders, or else the fans in this thread may start judging their make up) :doh:

seriously, i hope no ravenfans stumble across this thread and post it on their board absolutely clowning these fashion guys.

i am almost embarrassed, and wouldnt even expect this type of fruitiness on a 49ers board. ST stands for steelersfever, not san francisco.

:wave: barbie dolls and man cards are located at the door upon exit. take your pick.


Thats right, if they don't like the way our girl dresses, then they are not real men. Thats typical of both of you.

HometownGal
05-23-2010, 06:04 AM
How could a woman that has lived as long as she has not been damaged and injured due to the racism she herself has endured. It doesn't at all define her, it's just unfortunately the reality of her existence in this world where constant ignorance continuously leads to horribly treating people of a different color of skin.

I'm as white as it gets, yet I've learned enough in my life to know that black people have deep wounds that we can't even begin to imagine.

Though I respect your position (but don't agree with it here), Shea, quite frankly I'm sick to freakin' death of today's white folks having to pay for the racism (and slavery) that we had absolutely nothing to do with. :banging: Black folks today are just as racist, if not more, than white people and I say that because I've endured some negative comments from blacks regarding the color of my skin over the last 25 years or so and have witnessed racism from the other side more often than I care to. We are NOT responsible for the behavior of our ancestors - period.

Blacks screamed about segregation for decades but what do they turn around and do?

BET
Black Miss America and Black Miss USA pageants
United Negro College Fund
NAACP
and the list goes on on on.

Godfather
05-23-2010, 11:29 AM
Though I respect your position (but don't agree with it here), Shea, quite frankly I'm sick to freakin' death of today's white folks having to pay for the racism (and slavery) that we had absolutely nothing to do with. :banging: Black folks today are just as racist, if not more, than white people and I say that because I've endured some negative comments from blacks regarding the color of my skin over the last 25 years or so and have witnessed racism from the other side more often than I care to. We are NOT responsible for the behavior of our ancestors - period.

Blacks screamed about segregation for decades but what do they turn around and do?

BET
Black Miss America and Black Miss USA pageants
United Negro College Fund
NAACP
and the list goes on on on.

Don't forget Negro League Baseball.

silver & black
05-23-2010, 12:30 PM
Don't forget Negro League Baseball.

Yes, but, wasn't Negro League Baseball's existence because of segregation and racism? :noidea:

tony hipchest
05-23-2010, 12:34 PM
No, not really. Please go back and reread the "Newsvine" article featured in the Yahoo link in the OP in that thread: "Cindy McCain sets tone for GOP fashion" (http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/04/1828851-cindy-mccain-sets-tone-for-gop-fashion)

And then look at the post I was responding to:



A couple of excerpts from the "Newsvine" article:



I fail to see what any of that had to do with her husband's level of effectiveness in governing this country had he been elected. See what I'm getting at here? That being said, I personally couldn't give two shits less what Michelle Obama wears. However, Vincent is also correct in saying that she is a "target" given her position.

oh, okay. i see. i never read the article. what she looked like in her dress was never the point of starting the thread. :noidea:

i just cited it as a source as to not have the dreaded- :link: -"link" emoticon thrown at me.

im not a fashion expert. im just a football fan on a steelersboard. i dont care what first ladies or their daughters wear, or what actresses wear on the red carpet on oscar night.

the depth of my fashion care is as deep as how much clevage i can see or nearly see, how tight it hugs an hourglass waist, and if it reveals a j-lo or kim kardashian like booty. :hunch:

then again, i dont care if ben looks fat.

question for the guys in this thread...

have any of you ever gone to the department store with some buddies to try on jeans, and come out of the dressing room and ask said buddies "do these jeans make me look fat'?

Lord, I hope not. :doh:

SteelCityMom
05-23-2010, 12:48 PM
Uh....Can't have it both ways. Jimmy Choo isnt exactly "affordable" footwear. Hey, I have no problem with the first lady wearing nice shoes for presidential events....but dont piss on my leg and tell me its raining. Italian leather $500 dollar shoes are not "economical".


Lol...I don't disagree, but those weren't the point of my postings. Those are actual TMZ stories that are focused on her fashion sense. I just posted them to point out how ridiculous they were.

tony hipchest
05-23-2010, 12:49 PM
BET
Black Miss America and Black Miss USA pageants
United Negro College Fund
NAACP
and the list goes on on on.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/Miss-America.jpg

i respect the fact that 50 years ago, some blacks couldnt even use the same restroom facilities or water fountains as whites, so it makes sense they would have their own restraunts, colleges, or single television station.

oh, and by definition, while they can be "prejudiced", or "bigoted", one (or a group) must be in a position of power or influence to be "racist".

while it seems like splitting hairs, there are actual sociological differences to these terms.

Vincent
05-23-2010, 02:40 PM
question for the guys in this thread...

have any of you ever gone to the department store with some buddies to try on jeans, and come out of the dressing room and ask said buddies "do these jeans make me look fat'?

Lord, I hope not. :doh:

First, I haven't ever shopped for anything with buddies. Pretty wimmins, yes. Second, I don't try on clothes in stores. Third, I haven't owned jeans since college. And fourth, your scenario sounds like a beer commercial.

i thought this was the blue collar, steel worker fanbase...

It is. But some might realize their collar is more of a Periwinkle.

i respect the fact that 50 years ago, some blacks couldn't even use the same restroom facilities or water fountains as whites, so it makes sense they would have their own restaurants, colleges, or single television station.

Mich sited some examples of separatism in her thesis. It does stand to reason that a history of being relegated to segregation is going to foster some separatism.

A question I would ask, and it might be a poll thread, is if these two have improved "race relations" or otherwise. Much of the O ballyhoo was that he'd usher in "post racial", and "post partisan" :blah:. I think we can dismiss the latter.

Shea
05-24-2010, 12:07 AM
Though I respect your position (but don't agree with it here), Shea, quite frankly I'm sick to freakin' death of today's white folks having to pay for the racism (and slavery) that we had absolutely nothing to do with. :banging: Black folks today are just as racist, if not more, than white people and I say that because I've endured some negative comments from blacks regarding the color of my skin over the last 25 years or so and have witnessed racism from the other side more often than I care to. We are NOT responsible for the behavior of our ancestors - period.

Blacks screamed about segregation for decades but what do they turn around and do?

BET
Black Miss America and Black Miss USA pageants
United Negro College Fund
NAACP
and the list goes on on on.

I wasn't exclusively alluding to the dark past of our country and the henious crimes commited against blacks, I was mostly referring to a more modern day and where within that Michelle Obama might psychologically be coming from - although her being born in the sixties and experiences I'm sure her parents shared with her should be acknowledged.

Sorry if you have personally experienced racism in your own life, and I deeply respect you, but I find it preposterious that you as a white woman would put yourself in the same category of those that are literally, even to this day, marked for discrimination and facing horrible obstacles starting from the day of their birth due to the hue of their skin.

Sorry, but I don't think anything you've experienced would hold a candle to any and all minorities in our country.

We've come along way with racial relations and educational awareness, but we still have a long way to go.

Yes, but, wasn't Negro League Baseball's existence because of segregation and racism? :noidea:

I believe that is what Godfather was pointing out. :wink02:

And I'm also puzzled that Vincent hasn't worn jeans since college. :huh:

What do you wear when you mow the law Vinny?

MasterOfPuppets
05-24-2010, 12:49 AM
Michelle Obama is a woman who has clearly lived her life proud of her racial identity and what she claims are humble roots. “I was raised in a working-class family on the south Side of Chicago. That’s how I identify myself, a working-class girl,” she’s said of her childhood. And it’s that identity which she’s chosen to hold on to, despite recollections of childhood friends that she lived a middle-class life with a stay-at-home mother and a father on a city employee’s salary which, after overtime, came to $42,686. By way of contrast: in 1975, when Michelle was 11 years old, the U.S. Census shows that the median income for a family in the U.S. was $13,720, and poverty level for a non-farm family of 4 was $5,500. Her family income hardly reflects the “plight” of lower-class black families.

Even after attending a racially diverse, highly-selective magnet high school
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_Young_Magnet_High_School
where the student body consisted almost equally of blacks and whites from throughout all socio-economic classes across Chicago, Michelle Obama has sought to remind everyone of her roots in the black community. Her educational career, with a major in sociology and a minor in African American studies at Princeton, reveals a mind seeking to understand the world as a whole, but with a specific interest primarily in her own race’s culture.

It’s telling that Michelle Obama claims humble roots that weren’t so humble, claims to understand the “plight” of the lower-class black family without having actually lived that life, and then had to study her own race, as if she wouldn’t have understood it otherwise. It’s telling that this woman once wrote that blacks who didn’t adhere to racial separatism would lack the compassion to understand the “plight” of the lower-income black family, and then turned around and married a half-white man whom, she now proclaims in stump speeches, is fully capable of understanding that “plight.” It speaks volumes that when Michelle Obama refers to her husband’s base of support she does not mention voters, she does not mention Democrats; she mentions races: black, white, brown (whatever that is). It’s astonishing, when you think about it, that Michelle Obama is surprised that white people in Iowa would vote for her husband.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/if-michelle-obama-isnt-racist-what-is-she/2/
:noidea:

HometownGal
05-24-2010, 07:14 AM
I wasn't exclusively alluding to the dark past of our country and the henious crimes commited against blacks, I was mostly referring to a more modern day and where within that Michelle Obama might psychologically be coming from - although her being born in the sixties and experiences I'm sure her parents shared with her should be acknowledged.

Sorry if you have personally experienced racism in your own life, and I deeply respect you, but I find it preposterious that you as a white woman would put yourself in the same category of those that are literally, even to this day, marked for discrimination and facing horrible obstacles starting from the day of their birth due to the hue of their skin.

Sorry, but I don't think anything you've experienced would hold a candle to any and all minorities in our country.

We've come along way with racial relations and educational awareness, but we still have a long way to go.



I respect you as well, Shea, and that being said - I find it equally preposterous that you seem to still be living in that "dark past" right along with Mich. Blacks are afforded more opportunities in this day and age than ever before and even at the discrimination of the white male, who, imho, is the most discriminated race and gender as far as job opportunities go over the last couple of decades. My issue is - most of those who want to continue to play the race card do not want to take advantage of those opportunities out there and prefer to continue to suck from both the government teet and in the long run - the taxpayers. XT could tell you some stories, believe me, being a 30-something African American male and one of the few in his family who actually got out there and made something of himself with the opportunities he was given.

Sorry, but I think both you and Mich need to let the unjust behaviors of our ancestors go and look ahead, not behind.

zulater
05-24-2010, 07:47 AM
http://seanbryson.com/articles/black_slave_traders.html

If black American are looking for reparations I think they should go to Africa and find the ancestors of those tribe's men who concquered their tribe and sold 'em to the European slave traders.

X-Terminator
05-24-2010, 07:52 AM
I respect you as well, Shea, and that being said - I find it equally preposterous that you seem to still be living in that "dark past" right along with Mich. Blacks are afforded more opportunities in this day and age than ever before and even at the discrimination of the white male, who, imho, is the most discriminated race and gender as far as job opportunities go over the last couple of decades. My issue is - most of those who want to continue to play the race card do not want to take advantage of those opportunities out there and prefer to continue to suck from both the government teet and in the long run - the taxpayers. XT could tell you some stories, believe me, being a 30-something African American male and one of the few in his family who actually got out there and made something of himself with the opportunities he was given.

Sorry, but I think both you and Mich need to let the unjust behaviors of our ancestors go and look ahead, not behind.

Yes, I most certainly can tell you stories about members of my own family. Instead of going out there and making something of themselves, they chose to sit on their asses and stay on the government dole. Basically, I go to work every day so that they can get paid for doing nothing. Bullshit. 2 of these family members were raised by my late mother, and I know damn well she didn't raise them to be like that, because she didn't raise ME like that. And though I have experienced outright prejudice in my life, I have never once used it as a crutch or an excuse, because again, my Mom wouldn't hear of it. Excuses are for losers, and I refused to be a loser.

Bottom line is this, and this is for Shea also - while there certainly is racism in this country and always will be in some degree, there is no good reason why any black person can't be successful in today's America. Not with all of the opportunities out there for black people to take advantage of, especially in education. If you don't make it, more often than not it's your own fault, because you aren't willing to put in the work necessary to be successful." It's not racism, it's not "the man keeping you down," it's not "horrible obstacles based on the color of your skin," or anything of the sort. It's yours, and yours alone. Now I'll probably get bashed for saying all of this, the same way I've been called a "sellout" and an "Uncle Tom" because I chose hard work over whining, but hey, that's how I feel, and I won't apologize for it.

Vincent
05-24-2010, 08:34 AM
And I'm also puzzled that Vincent hasn't worn jeans since college. :huh:

What do you wear when you mow the law Vinny?

I don't know why not wearing jeans would puzzle anybody. It is possible to think and operate outside of boxes. Unless you're a liberal. :flap: Sorry. :wave:

I prefer shorts. Shorts work for me down into the 30s. If it gets colder than that, I have lots of trousers to jump into. I have worn shorts in the 20s, but the stupid questions ruin it.

As for the lawn, I trim at this point. Our son mows. But if its warm enough for yard work, its warm enough for shorts. And I prefer shorts and Topsiders when shoveling snow.

Vincent
05-24-2010, 08:57 AM
http://seanbryson.com/articles/black_slave_traders.html

Interesting story on the right side of that page. "Roots" was a fraud. Haley ripped the main character and plot form a white man's novel - "The African". Seems Ol' Alex paid Harold Courlander, the author, $650,000 in a plagiarism suit. http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/alex.htm I did not know this.

I still hate the dress.

Shea
05-25-2010, 10:27 PM
I don't know why not wearing jeans would puzzle anybody. It is possible to think and operate outside of boxes. Unless you're a liberal. :flap: Sorry. :wave:

I prefer shorts. Shorts work for me down into the 30s. If it gets colder than that, I have lots of trousers to jump into. I have worn shorts in the 20s, but the stupid questions ruin it.

As for the lawn, I trim at this point. Our son mows. But if its warm enough for yard work, its warm enough for shorts. And I prefer shorts and Topsiders when shoveling snow.

It was a joke on my part.

You should consider getting a pair of jeans though. With the right pair, it can highlight a man's ass in a way trousers can't, and it drives us women wild.

Just try it out - you're wife won't be able to keep her hands off you. :naughty:

Maybe Tony can help you out by taking you shopping to give you some pointers. :wink02:

Vincent
05-25-2010, 10:37 PM
It was a joke on my part.

And a fine one it was!

You should consider getting a pair of jeans though.

I wear shorts for the same reason most wear jeans - comfort.

Maybe Tony can help you out by taking you shopping to give you some pointers. :wink02:

I couldn't. I'd be conflicted by Estelle and Tony's Guatemalaness.

tony hipchest
05-25-2010, 10:46 PM
I still hate the dress.and i still hate your shorts.

you have a constitutional right to bare arms (so the white tank tops are fine).

that is it. nothing else. not legs. not butt cheeks.

nothing. :nono:

(and i thought you liked estelles "guacamole") :huh:

Vincent
05-25-2010, 10:56 PM
you have a constitutional right to bare arms (so the white tank tops are fine).

Eeee-ooooo! Polos, nondescript Ts, or the occasional Steeler jersey.

tony hipchest
05-25-2010, 11:17 PM
I don't know why not wearing jeans would puzzle anybody. It is possible to think and operate outside of boxes. Unless you're a liberal. :flap: Sorry. :wave:

I prefer shorts. Shorts work for me down into the 30s. .





I wear shorts for the same reason most wear jeans - comfort.

Eeee-ooooo! Polos, nondescript Ts, or the occasional Steeler jersey.

:headshake: and all this time i had you pegged as a robe and turban kinda guy.

Vincent
05-25-2010, 11:28 PM
:headshake: and all this time i had you pegged as a robe and turban kinda guy.

What? "Vincent the Sikh"?

tony hipchest
05-25-2010, 11:46 PM
What? "Vincent the Sikh"?

:chuckle: sumpthin like that-

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Vincent
05-26-2010, 12:01 AM
:chuckle: sumpthin like that-

http://www.pardonmyhindi.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/sikh_motorcycle.jpg

जंगली होने जन्मे

tony hipchest
05-26-2010, 12:06 AM
the bengals suck

Vincent
05-26-2010, 08:51 AM
the bengals suck

I had contemplated captioning that "the Cincinnati Bengals" but thought otherwise.