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AustinSeahawk
02-08-2006, 05:26 PM
First off, let me start off by congratulating your Steelers for winning the Super Bowl. I am not angry with the Steelers, or any Pittsburgh fans for that matter. I have always liked the Steelers since I was a kid growing up in the 70's. It just so happens that I grew up in Seattle and fell in love with the Seahawks, and so to this day I bleed blue and green.

As you can imagine, I wasn't happy with how things turned out on Sunday. Even though I do believe the officiating was horrid, I also acknowledge that my Seahawks made a lot of mistakes, and still had a couple of chances to win the game. To be honest, I don't think either team played particularly well, though I think Seattle looked strong in the first quarter.

I just wanted to let you guys know that not all Seahawk fans hate the Steelers, and that a lot of our emotion and anger just carries over to the Steelers and their fans, because they are more accessible than the NFL front office and offcials. While we know we can't change the outcome of the game, a lot of us feel like if we are outspoken enough we can force the NFL and Paul Tagliabue to address the poor officiating that has permeated the league, including your game against Indy.

A lot of the Seattle fans are beginning to put the game behind us, though of course we won't forget it. We will begin to look forward to next season, just as you all will. It's just that it took us 30 years to get to the Super Bowl and we feel like we weren't given the same opportunity to win the game as Pittsburgh. I don't mean that to sound like whining or trash-talking. I'm just trying to let you understand why we're so frustrated. Had we completely sucked and been blown out by an obviously better team, there would be no complaints.

Please realize that it is not just Seahawk fans who are upset about the officiating. Most of the complaints are coming out of national media outlets, such as FoxSports and ESPN. We just hope that the NFL does something in the offseason to fix the problem. It is not my intention to ruin your championship or take anything away from you and the Steelers. But like any loyal fan, we're just standing up for what we believe in and choose not to take it on the chin.

You guys have a great team to support, and it wouldn't surprise me if we meet in Super Bowl XLI. Roethlisberger is a good leader, Parker is a great young back, and your defense is tough and emotional. Going into the game, I hated Joey Porter. But after seeing his comments about the Seahawks on post game shows (BDSSP - Fox), I like and respect him.

Good luck in the offseason and celebrate your victory. You guys worked hard to get to the Super Bowl, and the fans turned out for the game in large numbers. Just remember that our Seahawks plan on returning to the Super Bowl next year to take the trophy home!

LambertIsGod58
02-08-2006, 05:36 PM
I can understand and probably more importantly RESPECT your take....I seem to recall Seahawk fans that are acting very childish about the whole thing. I can't say as though I'd be any different if it happened to us......WAIT......IT DID VS THE COLTS. I honestly don't believe that the officiating in this game was as one sided as many people seem to think. Seattle got away with many holding calls I felt....Ben was blocked in the back on this pick.....and Hasslebeck did fumble the ball. He was grazed before he slid. Not the same as down by contact. In a broadbrush statement, officiating was bad at times. But it went both ways. Seattle has a great team....sometimes it takes more than one shot to win it. If they can keep Shaun or get a suitable replacement, then I think you have a good shot at coming back.

clevestinks
02-08-2006, 05:39 PM
I don`t think anyone here would argue that officiating sucks! We`ve been screwed regularly. Alot of the calls sunday were judgement calls, what are you going to do! And I understand being bitter, but they have to let it go. In Pittsburgh, I was at the parade, its over, but ESPN, NFL Network won`t let the seahawks statements die, so it has tainted our win.
Your comments will go over well here! You seem very knowledgable, and a good Haks fan. So thank you. You may want to consider sticking around, we have a great forum here, with alot of outsiders!

Hammer67
02-08-2006, 05:45 PM
I agree the officiating has been terrible throughout the entire playoffs but great teams overcome bad officiating to win (see Steelers - Colts game).

It happens...besides, some of the calls being complained about in this game were the right calls.

clarient
02-08-2006, 06:20 PM
High fives to you for having a brain, dignity, and a real passion for your team.

I fully expect to see Seattle doing great things next season, and I hope that there comes a time where the Steelers and the Hawks can meet again - this time, with both teams playing their real game. I'm sure there will be more bad calls - but really, when aren't there?

I agree that both teams weren't at their best. A match up between Pitt and Seattle is going to look COMPLETELY different from what we saw on Superbowl Sunday, and not simply because of officiating.

And lastly, thank you for being a REAL fan - I've seen a lot of wagon-hoppers lately and as a Steeler fan since birth (I wore black and gold to school in sixth grade during SuperBowl 30 - in the middle of Cowboy Country!) it's refreshing to see people who support their team regardless of stats.

GoStillersGo
02-08-2006, 07:29 PM
I think one of the thing that has befuddled Seahawks fans and the media is the LACK of penalties throughout the season and then a lot of them during the Super Bowl. Not to mention that were comparatively few were called against the Steelers. To some, that seemed biased. Not saying the complaints weren't warranted and the feelings were justified, just trying to help explain where some of them might be coming from...

BlitzburghRockCity
02-08-2006, 08:13 PM
I wish more of the hawk fans that have stopped by our forum would be like you.

Great post ! :tt:

TexaSteeler
02-08-2006, 09:03 PM
Nice words, thanks for stopping by. We agree that the officiating needs to take another level. Sorry you were one to be the butt of controversy this time.

Stlrs4Life
02-08-2006, 09:32 PM
Nice post, would be nice to see a few more of the same.

Prosdo
02-08-2006, 10:06 PM
This is a nice change of pace. We had a lot of Seahawks fans trolling the boards. I have a lot of respect for a fan like you. Thanks for the post. Good luck in your off season as well.

WeNowHave5
02-08-2006, 10:23 PM
I don`t think anyone here would argue that officiating sucks! We`ve been screwed regularly. Alot of the calls sunday were judgement calls, what are you going to do! And I understand being bitter, but they have to let it go. In Pittsburgh, I was at the parade, its over, but ESPN, NFL Network won`t let the seahawks statements die, so it has tainted our win.

Your comments will go over well here! You seem very knowledgable, and a good Haks fan. So thank you. You may want to consider sticking around, we have a great forum here, with alot of outsiders!

I think there was really one ridiculous call (on Hasslebeck after his INT) and 2 questionable tick-tack (although techinically correct) calls. What bothered me was the post-game crying and nitpicking, the Parrot like regurgitation from bandwagon fans who only showed that they know very little about the game itself. Some even made up crap, such as claiming that Bens Touchdown was not a TD when the Picture clearly shows that it was.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/452000-452999/452329_265_full.jpg

To be honest, I thought Holmgren came out looking bad as he pandered to a very large crowd by saying that the referees were on Pittsburgh's side. I expect this from fans but not from a professional coach like Holmgren, especially when that coach demonstrated poor clock magement and his players could not execute 2 field goals and through an INT down by 4 points as they were getting ready to take the lead. In fact, I think Mike holmgren could learn a lesson from Hasslebeck, who acted like a man and said Pittsburgh made the big plays to win and SEATTLE didnt

AustinSeahawk
02-08-2006, 10:38 PM
Like many people, I have seen this photo being passed around the internet. To the casual observer, it may look convincing, but it's not.

What you think is the ball crossing the line is, in fact, Ben's right arm, tape and all. The ball is actually under his chest, a few inches back. If you go back on the game tape (assuming you TiVo'd it), you'll see that he actually loses control of the ball for a split second before landing on it. He then grabs it and places it across the line.

In any event, it's a moot point. I honestly believe that if faced with a fourth and goal, you would have gone for it and scored anyway. That play is not one of the ones that bothers me the most.


By the way, thanks for the nice welcome and comments, guys. We're all football lovers here, and friendly rivalries make the game more fun.

Suitanim
02-09-2006, 11:11 AM
Like many people, I have seen this photo being passed around the internet. To the casual observer, it may look convincing, but it's not.

What you think is the ball crossing the line is, in fact, Ben's right arm, tape and all. The ball is actually under his chest, a few inches back. If you go back on the game tape (assuming you TiVo'd it), you'll see that he actually loses control of the ball for a split second before landing on it. He then grabs it and places it across the line.



Sorry, but no. See this VIDEO evidence of the same. That's a football.

http://www.kdka.com/steelers

Click on video, on right of the screen, of Holmgren pandering to the fans.

AustinSeahawk
02-09-2006, 11:46 AM
I clicked on the link to the right of Holmgren, and it's a 10 minute video of the Steelers victory parade. No footage of Ben's touchdown plunge.

If you believe that is a football that the line goes through, then where is his right arm? The arm crosses, but the football is under his chest. I've watched the game over and over on my DVR, and have yet to see the ball cross the plane.

BUT PLEASE KEEP IN MIND that it doesn't really matter to me, because as I've said before, I think that you guys would have scored anyway on 4th and goal at the 1 inch line, so it's a moot point. It's not my intention to argue over video clips, pictures, or rules interpretations. I simply wanted to congratulate you guys and let you guys know that we're not all bad Seahawk fans.

Questionable calls or not, we didn't win, and you guys have the trophy. Time to look forward to the offseason!

thumb 2 come
02-09-2006, 11:53 AM
I clicked on the link to the right of Holmgren, and it's a 10 minute video of the Steelers victory parade. No footage of Ben's touchdown plunge.

If you believe that is a football that the line goes through, then where is his right arm? The arm crosses, but the football is under his chest. I've watched the game over and over on my DVR, and have yet to see the ball cross the plane.

BUT PLEASE KEEP IN MIND that it doesn't really matter to me, because as I've said before, I think that you guys would have scored anyway on 4th and goal at the 1 inch line, so it's a moot point. It's not my intention to argue over video clips, pictures, or rules interpretations. I simply wanted to congratulate you guys and let you guys know that we're not all bad Seahawk fans.

Questionable calls or not, we didn't win, and you guys have the trophy. Time to look forward to the offseason!


Hew was holding the ball on his right side so if he extends his arm out the ball is tucked between his hand and elbow therefore if the elbow makes it that far across the plane then the tip of the ball would be tucked in there also so it would be a touchdown.

I guess we will all have to agree to disagree.

Suitanim
02-09-2006, 12:02 PM
I clicked on the link to the right of Holmgren, and it's a 10 minute video of the Steelers victory parade. No footage of Ben's touchdown plunge.

If you believe that is a football that the line goes through, then where is his right arm? The arm crosses, but the football is under his chest. I've watched the game over and over on my DVR, and have yet to see the ball cross the plane.

BUT PLEASE KEEP IN MIND that it doesn't really matter to me, because as I've said before, I think that you guys would have scored anyway on 4th and goal at the 1 inch line, so it's a moot point. It's not my intention to argue over video clips, pictures, or rules interpretations. I simply wanted to congratulate you guys and let you guys know that we're not all bad Seahawk fans.

Questionable calls or not, we didn't win, and you guys have the trophy. Time to look forward to the offseason!

If it matters, then go back and watch above replay and click on the CORRECT video, not the one next to it. His arm is under the ball, what some delusional squak fans are calling the ball is another Steelers helmet, and his right arm is where it should be, attached to his body on the right part of his body and not seen in this picture.

If it doesn't matter, than stop responding.