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Suitanim
02-10-2006, 06:17 PM
It's that time...time to get serious about what kind of team we want to put on the field next year to repeat with.

Salary cap- With the new TV deals in place, the cap will increase more than in the past. How does 94 million sound? It's currently at 85.5. I don't need to tell you how good this news is for the Steelers.

Free Agents- This is the tough one. The Steelers will play this as a business deal, and won't allow emotion to interfere, so that's how it should be approached by the fans as well.

ARE- Will be overpaid by someone else. I'm guessing Chicago, where he will probably disappear in that awful offense. ARE will not be back.

Deshea Townsend- He's another guy that can stay for a 1 year deal or take the money and run. He'll be overpaid elsewhere, so I see him being gone. The Steelers got smoked by the D Washington and C Scott deals overpaying aging CB's, and they won't make the same mistakes again.

Kimo- I don't know...there's a limited market for 37 year old DT's, but he does play in the 3-4, so someone may opt to overpay (The Raiders do stupid things like this every year). I think it's Keisel's time to shine, but this one will be interesting.

Keisel- Both these guys #'s are up. I say go with youth and sign Brett and let Kimo go unless he's willing to be signed for a reasonable amount of money.

Batch- Keeper. Solid back-up, seasoned vet, and draft a 3rd QB late like we alsways do.

Morgan- Sign him for reasonable money. Is he equal to ARE? No, but he does return kicks, and showed some flash this year.

Haynes- Keep him as security regardless of what we do at RB. He'll be fairly cheap.

Sean Morey- Valuable role player, and will be dirt cheap. Keeper.

Barrett Brooks- Buh-bye...

Finally, my main concern is Chris Hope. Whether we lose Keisel or Kimo (and we may lose neither, and won't lose both), if Hope comes back we keep a Championship defense completely intact with the DC returning as well, which is practically unheard of nowadays, and will go a long way to determining our chances towards a repeat next year.

The FA pool of free safeties sucks this year, and Hope is the top FA by far, which means he'll be overvalued by those teams in need. Will the Steelers pay up? I doubt it...but it's a lose/lose deal. At 25, he's young, but if we overpay it's still overpaying. If we cut him loose, who plays FS? I think THIS is the key offseason move the Steelers make, and I have no idea how it will turn out.

Roster Moves- Hartings isn't leaving, so what do we do? Ask him to stay and restructure. I think he'll accept. If not, Okobi enters camp as the pencilled in starter and we draft C in RD 1 or 2 in the draft (Depending on the Hope deal)

Maddox- Please. Keep him until July 1st, then dump the chump for a 900k cap savings.

Willie Williams- Gotta go...thanks for coming back and contributing, but we need your 1.25 mil in cap room Willie...but you got a nice ring out of this deal to retire with!

I'm ignoring the draft for now until we start to see how these other things play out...

Sharkissle29
02-10-2006, 06:25 PM
you forgot about the most important person that we need to sign....Ike Taylor, my man!

i agree with most, but i believe haynes will be asking for starting RB money, so he's as good as gone.

Suitanim
02-10-2006, 06:43 PM
Ike is a restricted FA, so I'm not concerned...we sign him to a nice money deal. Haynes can shop himself all he wants, but his own role will work against him. He'll be back.

tony hipchest
02-10-2006, 06:53 PM
i could see the eagles wanting haynes. you would think he would be more sought after than c. fuamatu maafala was a while ago. on the radio a. sheyne kept saying najeh davenport to replace bettis. im thinking haynes could do just as well as him (if not duce).

tony hipchest
02-10-2006, 06:58 PM
and im liking t. carter. im wondering if the steelers feel like hes getting ready to step in just like hope did when logan went down. he sounds pretty smart in interviews and could be another hidden gem on the bench. i want hope to stay though. no sense in disrupting a secondary tham many still regard as the steelers weakest link

BlitzburghRockCity
02-10-2006, 06:59 PM
Well suit, that was well said I can honestly say I agree with pretty much everything you stated.

Hope is #1 priority here as we have zero depth at safety.

I think KIMO is too old and too set in the 3-4 here in steel town to go anywhere else..he's got his money and he's got a couple good years left.. I'd bring him back on a 2 yr deal for reasonable money if we can..for depth and leadership..

Keisel is another HUGE one..this guy has all the upside in the world and we need to get his butt under a reasonable contract now becuz he's only gonna get better and better and he's played very well this year.

Ike will get some offers but we can match them so we shouldnt have too much of a problem bringing him back, but it should be a priority none the less to get him to a multi year deal this offseason.

Morgan and Morey..no doubt their butts stay here. Morgan is a great 4th WR.

I dont think we'll have a problem bringing charlie back..he's not gonna start anywhere and he's in a prime spot as Ben's #1 backup.

I like Haynes as a 3rd down guy..he runs hard and is a decent threat in the screen pass situation too..and he can block so we dont need to sign a backup FB again to Kreider.

Suitanim
02-10-2006, 07:04 PM
Townsend as FS? Carter as FS? I don't know. It's a possibility that needs to be explored...keeping one of our experienced nickel backs as FS if Hope takes off.

There ARE a few good FS's out there, like Adam Archuleta (sp?), but I think most are likely to resign with their own teams.

Here's a list (some of these are SS):

UFA’s

1)Adam Archuleta Stl
2)Chris Hope Pit
3)Tank Willliams Tenn
4)Will Demps Bal
5)Corey Chavous Min
6)Dexter Jackson TB
7)Sam Brandon Den
8)Marlon McCree Hou
9)Keion Carpenter Atl
10)Deke Cooper Jax
11)Idrees Bashir Car
12)Anthony Mitchell Cijn
13)Ifeanyi Ohalete Cin
14)Lance Schulters Mia
15)Bracy Walker Det
16)Earl Little GB
17)Kevin McCadam Atl
18)Ronnie Heard Atl
19)Keith Davis Dal
20)Ken Irvin Min
21)John Howell
22)Marquand Manuel
23)Ryan Clark NYG
24)Omar Stoutmare NYG
25)Ramon Walker Hou

RFA’s

1)Terrence Holt Det
2)Guss Scott NE
3)Scott Connot KC
4)Mike Adams
5)Clinton Hart
6)Mel Mitchell NO
7)Jarrod Cooper
8)Yeremiah Bell Mia
9)Reggie Myles Cin
10)Willie Pile Dal

Atlanta Dan
02-10-2006, 07:05 PM
Chris Hope is gone. Ed.B. of P-G said Steelers and Hope were never close on $$ going into the last year of his contract, which in the Steelers' world view usually means you are out. Hope is a nice player but the Steelers appear to think he is replaceable. According to a Sportsline piece I linked elsewhere, "check out the depth at safety, folks. There is the Rams' Adam Archuleta. And Pittsburgh's Chris Hope, Miami's Lance Schulters, Carolina's Marlon McCree and Baltimore's Will Demps. It's a good year to shop for secondary help."
That may be the only way Hope's price stays in the Steelers ballpark, but someone will take a risk that Hope can step up and is not simply someone whose success is due to LeBeau's schemes and playing with Troy.

ARE is gone - same issue of Steelers getting you locked up the next to last year of the contract if they really want to keep you. I am happy he will make the big $ but he is a #3 WR and not worth what Chicago or (more likely) the Redskins will pay for him. As anopthr poster said, ARE was gone when Cedrick Wilson was broiught in.

Steelers will not pay what Deshea Townsend wants, but McFadden will be the starter next season anyhow. If Deshea comes back it will be as a nickel back, assuming the Steelers are giving up on Coclough.

I agree they will make a big push to sign Keisel. Do not want a repeat of the Vrabel departure to haunt them for years to come.

If Taylor is the rising star at CB he appears to be they probably will attempt to get him signed to a long term deal before he is a real FA after 2006.

Losing players is part of the routine. Losing ARE and Hope will take out 2 second tier starters, but (aside from the loss of Bettis, with who knows what emotional & talent drop-off), the big guns (not to mention the full coaching staff) will be back.

A lot hinges on if a new CBA gets ratified soon.

Can't wait until we open with Denver on Thursday night to start the regular season in September.

BlitzburghRockCity
02-10-2006, 07:08 PM
yes Deshea is a FA.. Carter signed a 1 yr deal last year to stay with the team again. He was well worth the money and good servicable backup in dime situations.

Deshea, I love for him to stay, he's earned his shot and plays well and he's the Vet back there in the secondary especially at CB. As good as Ike, Bryant, Coc, are, I want a vet back there as well. He wont command all THAT much money, but Pittsburgh will be thinking of all the talent they have in McFadden and Ike and that may keep them from spending anything more than moderate amounts on Deshea.

No matter what though, secondary depth will be a key in this years offseason.

Suitanim
02-10-2006, 07:09 PM
Ricardo Colclough is in the exact same situation as Ike was last year...he came from a small school, so they gave him 2 years to adjust instead of one. The Coke/McFaddy battle will be the best one in camp next year, and whoever wins will make the Steelers a better team.

BlitzburghRockCity
02-10-2006, 07:09 PM
Chris Hope is gone. Ed.B. of P-G said Steelers and Hope were never close on $$ going into the last year of his contract, which in the Steelers' world view usually means you are out. Hope is a nice player but the Steelers appear to think he is replaceable. According to a Sportsline piece I linked elsewhere, "check out the depth at safety, folks. There is the Rams' Adam Archuleta. And Pittsburgh's Chris Hope, Miami's Lance Schulters, Carolina's Marlon McCree and Baltimore's Will Demps. It's a good year to shop for secondary help."
That may be the only way Hope's price stays in the Steelers ballpark, but someone will take a risk that Hope can step up and is not simply someone whose success is due to LeBeau's schemes and playing with Troy.

Keep in mind that was last offseason, and Hope wanted a long term deal but he didnt have a real good 2004 season so the Steelers were reluctant to show him the money till he proved himself. They'll be more willing to pay more to him after the impact he's had in 2005 and how well he and Troy have jelled back there.

Atlanta Dan
02-10-2006, 07:23 PM
I do not know if it is something personal, but Ed.B. of the P-G is not a Coclough fan. He has noted how McFadden passed him by on the depth chart, specifically said McFadden would have knocked down the TD pass that went over Coke in the December Bengals game, and was always down on him returning kickoffs.

When asked whether Cooclough might replace Chris Hope, Ed.B.. said this week in an online chat that he thinks Colclough could play the position but does not know if he'd be good at making the calls to set the D. I believe there is an issue as to Coclough's thought processes (football instincts, use whatever euphemism you prefer) while he is on the field.

Atlanta Dan
02-10-2006, 07:24 PM
Keep in mind that was last offseason, and Hope wanted a long term deal but he didnt have a real good 2004 season so the Steelers were reluctant to show him the money till he proved himself. They'll be more willing to pay more to him after the impact he's had in 2005 and how well he and Troy have jelled back there.

Unfortunately, so will other teams :)

tony hipchest
02-10-2006, 07:35 PM
Unfortunately, so will other teams :) kinda like we almost did with dexter jaxson after. the bucs won the sb. him leaving us at the altar for arizona was the best thing that couldve happened. it forced our hand to trade up for polamalu. even though the alternative was staying put and drafting l. johnson, and dumping the bus. as great as johnson is jerome has every intangible you could possibly want, especially taking big ben under his wing and probiding all that motivation for the team.

Suitanim
02-10-2006, 07:36 PM
I do not know if it is something personal, but Ed.B. of the P-G is not a Coclough fan. He has noted how McFadden passed him by on the depth chart, specifically said McFadden would have knocked down the TD pass that went over Coke in the December Bengals game, and was always down on him returning kickoffs.

When asked whether Cooclough might replace Chris Hope, Ed.B.. said this week in an online chat that he thinks Colclough could play the position but does not know if he'd be good at making the calls to set the D. I believe there is an issue as to Coclough's thought processes (football instincts, use whatever euphemism you prefer) while he is on the field.

If I remember correctly, Ike wasn't exactly being exalted as the next Rod Woodson after his first year (I know I was skeptical at best), but he came through. It's only fair to give Coke as much time as we gave Ike.

tony hipchest
02-10-2006, 07:55 PM
If I remember correctly, Ike wasn't exactly being exalted as the next Rod Woodson after his first year (I know I was skeptical at best), but he came through. It's only fair to give Coke as much time as we gave Ike. the steelers wont piss away a 2nd round pick. look how long they stuck with alonzo jackson. colclough has definitely earned as much time to prove himself as he did. and pittsburgh dont mind sitting on a player for a few years as long as theyre showing promise and development. if people actually knew who larry foote was they probably would have been calling for him to be cut several years back. alot of these 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year guys have stepped into cowhers defense and played well above their rookie contracts. like ike did this year.

which brings me to the patriots and ike. we all know belichick loves pittsburgh defenders. anyone think the pats may make a serious play for him? if for nothing else but to drive up the price? even forcing us to pay $500,000 more for a player is pretty significant when our backs are so close to the cap.

Atlanta Dan
02-10-2006, 07:55 PM
I personally have nothing against Coclough, not as if he has any reason to care if I do or not, since I only see what the game broadcasts alllow me too.

The reason I point out what Ed.B. is saying is that Ed has been the Steelers' beat writer for the P-G for a looong time and I assume he has sources on the team (players/coaches or front office) that, at least in part, influence his opinions.

If Ed.B. is down on Coke someone else who is involved with the team and has an impact on personnel decisions probably is as well.

BlitzburghRockCity
02-10-2006, 07:55 PM
Unfortunately, so will other teams :)


yes he'll be a hot commodity in the coming months..but atleast after we restructure some deals we'll be able to keep pace with them, and after winning the SB and the chance to get more..Im sure Chris will speak with us first and allow us the chance to sign him before he really starts fielding other offers.. or atleast give us the chance to match a big offer from another team ..

we'll see, but I know we need him back in a big way. :cool:

Atlanta Dan
02-10-2006, 08:00 PM
which brings me to the patriots and ike. we all know belichick loves pittsburgh defenders. anyone think the pats may make a serious play for him? if for nothing else but to drive up the price? even forcing us to pay $500,000 more for a player is pretty significant when our backs are so close to the cap.

I know the Pats secondary is a train wreck, but I keep reading how the Pats may make a play for Randle El and now this. Hats off to them if they can do it, but didn't the Pats have to lay out some major $$ for Brady and Seymour (or is Seymour still unsigned for the long term) and, if so, how is a team that won 3 of the last 5 Super Bowls not facing its own cap problems?

ColoradoSteelerFan
02-10-2006, 08:16 PM
The Steelers have been a hot topic on NFL Radio on Sirius. Lots of Super Bowl and free agent talk.

Hope, Randel El and Kimo are the free agents that I want to see the Steelers definitely keep. Quincy Morgan is also a guy that I feel will become much more important if Randel El leaves. The Steelers aren't that much over the cap. I think restructuring some contracts, especially Staley, will help them keep the team together.

Suitanim
02-10-2006, 08:19 PM
I know the Pats secondary is a train wreck, but I keep reading how the Pats may make a play for Randle El and now this. Hats off to them if they can do it, but didn't the Pats have to lay out some major $$ for Brady and Seymour (or is Seymour still unsigned for the long term) and, if so, how is a team that won 3 of the last 5 Super Bowls not facing its own cap problems?

They are, and they won't make a play for either ARE OR Ike. They don't need another 5 foot nothing WR, and Ike is restricted, so there will be no bidding wars.

I like the thinking though...they tossed their last regular season game to avoid us in the playoffs, and it seems they are thinking strategically on how to damage us. Signs of FEAR....

champiod
02-10-2006, 08:20 PM
Ike Taylor should be a priority, his play since the Monday night game in Indy has been excellent. I also read that he pretty much had Chad Johnson duty in the 3 games against the bungals, Johnson had 14 catches for about 150 yds and no TDs(including a 48 yd trash time catch in the first victory at cincy)

Also I believe that Antwaan Randal El is a free agent. I can't see teams throwing big money at him even though his punt return skills are above average. At best he is a number three receiver.

Does anyone know if Deuce will be cut? I thought that with his salary and playing time( lack there of) that he would be out the door. He was quoted as saying he expects to take Jerome's carries next year, and the Steelers have been very pleased with how he has carried himself during this year (no crying or complaining) That usaully goes over well with the front office brass.

Free Agents or Draft we need another Receiver, losing plex hurt the offense and made then rely too much on gadgets.

Linebacker depth, Porter and Farrior are getting long in years, Foote and Haggans are solid, after Harrison there doesn't seem to be much in the way of what we are accustomed to.

Runningback; The Bus in the garage, injury prone Deuce, still not sold on fast Willie, Haynes not much more than a 3rd down specialist.

Secondary; Polomalu obviously just as good and important as Ben, Keep Ike Taylor, Bryant Mcfadden looks very promising, Coclough, Townsend, Hope. Just keep adding in the draft the front office is doing nicely

Thoughts?

Suitanim
02-10-2006, 08:22 PM
Ike Taylor should be a priority, his play since the Monday night game in Indy has been excellent. I also read that he pretty much had Chad Johnson duty in the 3 games against the bungals, Johnson had 14 catches for about 150 yds and no TDs(including a 48 yd trash time catch in the first victory at cincy)

Also I believe that Antwaan Randal El is a free agent. I can't see teams throwing big money at him even though his punt return skills are above average. At best he is a number three receiver.

Does anyone know if Deuce will be cut? I thought that with his salary and playing time( lack there of) that he would be out the door. He was quoted as saying he expects to take Jerome's carries next year, and the Steelers have been very pleased with how he has carried himself during this year (no crying or complaining) That usaully goes over well with the front office brass.

Free Agents or Draft we need another Receiver, losing plex hurt the offense and made then rely too much on gadgets.

Linebacker depth, Porter and Farrior are getting long in years, Foote and Haggans are solid, after Harrison there doesn't seem to be much in the way of what we are accustomed to.

Runningback; The Bus in the garage, injury prone Deuce, still not sold on fast Willie, Haynes not much more than a 3rd down specialist.

Secondary; Polomalu obviously just as good and important as Ben, Keep Ike Taylor, Bryant Mcfadden looks very promising, Coclough, Townsend, Hope. Just keep adding in the draft the front office is doing nicely

Thoughts?

Dude, why don't you read the thread before you post?

A) This thread isn't about drafting
B) All your questions have already been answered.

Not a great way to introduce yourself...

tony hipchest
02-10-2006, 08:22 PM
I know the Pats secondary is a train wreck, but I keep reading how the Pats may make a play for Randle El and now this. Hats off to them if they can do it, but didn't the Pats have to lay out some major $$ for Brady and Seymour (or is Seymour still unsigned for the long term) and, if so, how is a team that won 3 of the last 5 Super Bowls not facing its own cap problems? seymour signed pretty cheap to end his hold out. im thinking it was only a 1 year deal too, maybe 2 (from what i vaguely remember ) harrison was bitching about his contract before last season and dillon got a pretty hefty deal after his 1st year. of course theres bradys "hometown" discount deal which isnt really too far off of what manning is making. yet they can still bring in starks, scott, davis, brown, biesel..........your guess is as good as mine. maybe the nfl gives the pats a "hometown discount" *wink wink* :sofunny:

notice how no patfans ever seem worried about any impending cap problems. (isnt wes colvin getting to the meat and potatoes part of his big $$$ deal too?)

champiod
02-10-2006, 08:34 PM
Dude, why don't you read the thread before you post?

A) This thread isn't about drafting
B) All your questions have already been answered.

Not a great way to introduce yourself...

Sorry I missed your no draft comment while you were bloviating, but I still see nothing in this post about Deuce.
Anyway if I want to get flamed I'll go over to the Seahawks website and throw out a few penalty flags, oh wait that was a terrible towel. Relax we just won the SUPER BOWL !!!!!
enjoy it.

By the way cut the new guys a break, that how they become old timers

Suitanim
02-10-2006, 08:39 PM
Sorry I missed your no draft comment while you were bloviating, but I still see nothing in this post about Deuce.
Anyway if I want to get flamed I'll go over to the Seahawks website and throw out a few penalty flags, oh wait that was a terrible towel. Relax we just won the SUPER BOWL !!!!!
enjoy it.

By the way cut the new guys a break, that how they become old timers

It's Duce, and I've addressed his situation a hundred times during this season (on this board). By the way, I know what bloviating means, and I don't think I was boasting and/or being long winded at all, in fact, I was being quite succinct.

3 to be 4
02-10-2006, 08:50 PM
seymour signed pretty cheap to end his hold out. im thinking it was only a 1 year deal too, maybe 2 (from what i vaguely remember ) harrison was bitching about his contract before last season and dillon got a pretty hefty deal after his 1st year. of course theres bradys "hometown" discount deal which isnt really too far off of what manning is making. yet they can still bring in starks, scott, davis, brown, biesel..........your guess is as good as mine. maybe the nfl gives the pats a "hometown discount" *wink wink* :sofunny:

notice how no patfans ever seem worried about any impending cap problems. (isnt wes colvin getting to the meat and potatoes part of his big $$$ deal too?)

that because,first of all, why should I worry it, thats Robert Krafts problem, not mine.
second, the Patriots organization has proven to know what its doing regarding the cap.
third, whenever its time to release an overpaid veteran, they do it. See Lawyer Milloy and Ty Law.

TasmanianTroy271
02-10-2006, 09:37 PM
Here's my view on FA this year:

Antwaan Randle El WR - This all depends on what El wants. Does he stick with the team who got him the ring, or go to the team closer to home and more money? I have to admit, if I were him, I'd be tempted to go for the big money and be with my family. It all depends on how much the Steelers offer him, which, with the deal for Ced last year, doesn't appear to be too much.

Barrett Brooks OT - Ha. That's all I have to say about him. He may, or may not have cost us the Pats game this year with a False Start on ST (may have been another game, i forget), but he's definately gone. It's not a matter of age, (as we see with Kimo and Hartings) but the fact that he done F'ed up

Brett Keisel DE - Definately a priority to sign back, I think that him and Kimo will just switch places. Keisel is basically a starter, just not on the roster, but he is in there alot. I just think Keisel will be the official starter and Kimo will come in for relief often.

Charlie Batch QB - I'm waiting for someone to post the poll : How long after March 3rd will Maddox last? Charlie is still younger than Maddox, and will fill in well enough until the Steelers can draft a capable backup. He's one of Pittsburgh's own boys, and him and his mom are always on WTAE, and with Ben being injured alot recently (sorry), how could he not sign?

Chris Hope S - Him and Randle El are definately the most likely to leave, and Chris is the worse for other teams to be looking at. If and when someone else signs him, I think they'll find out that Hope is a product of a great defense, but him in himself is a soft tackler. How many times has he been dragged by RB's this season? He started out quick, but then he kinda died off through the end of the season, and I use the whole "Jurevicius spinning off him" thing in the SB as all the proof I need. People are forgetting about Carter and Logan. Carter is kind of short to hold the position full time, but if Logan could stay healthy for a full year, I'm pretty sure he could be capable. Draft a FS, Put Logan in as starter, and if and when he's injured, put the rookie in for some valuable playing time.

Clint Kriewaldt LB and Sean Morey WR - Both are ST Demons, and we all know Cowher loves em. At least 1 is definately gonna be signed back, and one might be replaced via draft.

DeShea Townsend CB - I dunno about Deshea. He could leave us as well, with someone overpaying him, but we all know McFadden is the future and played like a starter this year. If Deshea leaves, pick up a cheap CB in draft of FA, and it won't kill us.

Jerame Tuman TE - Miller is the starter, we know that. Will Tuman want to stay? or will he want to leave? You never know, but he too could be easily replaced in the later rounds of the draft, or FA.

Kimo von Oelhoffen DE - Like I said with Keisel, Not alot of teams are gonna be willing to take the risk of a big deal for Kimo, even though he's a great Defensive Lineman. He'll probably sign a 2 year deal for cheap, and after that do 1 year deals until he wants to retire.

Quincy Morgan WR - He broke his leg, which is great for us. We'll get him back again for cheap, and we'll see what he can do with more playing time.

Verron Haynes RB - I really like Verron. I think he's really been playing good these past 2 years and is a great 3rd down back. Could he carry the load for another team? Maybe, but if someone's gonna sign him as their starter, they're in dire straits. If he gets an offer to be a Backup somewhere else, I can't see him taking it; Why take the same job you have now, with less chance of a ring?

tony hipchest
02-10-2006, 09:43 PM
perhaps worry was too strong a word. discussing perhaps?
and while its not your problem, as a fan you do have a vested interrest. this year it would seem that krafts problem is much more dire than say ziggy wilfs problem (the viks have 25 mil. in cap space). harrison hinted he may hold out last year although im sure his injury squashes that idea. would they have room to make a serious run at ike taylor or ty law?

tony hipchest
02-10-2006, 09:53 PM
taztroy good take on tuman. he is one role player i hope we keep cause he epitomises the steeler attitude just how jerome has. he has embraced and tutored his replacement like a great pro and champ and yet he usually has pulled through when called upon (despite a few untimely false start and holdin penalties during our 3 game losing streak.)

players like him, willie williams, logan, of course jerome, duce, and even maddox deserve alot of credit for taking a backseat yet still helping the youngsters achieve everyones main goal of being a champion. while their play has been minimal on the field their other contributions shouldnt be ignored.

GoStillersGo
02-10-2006, 11:40 PM
I can't blame El if he leaves. This is the year he makes big money. In fact I don't think he'll make more money than he will make this year.

We need Hope and Keisel. I'd love to see Ike too. But I'm afraid to say it's probably too much to ask to see all three back.

I don't see Randel El coming back, unfortunately... But good for him. He's done a great job for us. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see him come back...

WyomingCowgirlBarbie
02-11-2006, 01:21 AM
I keep hearing hints that the Pats are sniffing around Brett. He is on record saying he wants to stay....at the same time he wants to start. The team that starts him will get him

Rotorhead
02-11-2006, 05:36 AM
So the consensus seems to be that we need to choose 2 between Ike, ARE, BK and Hope . . . hhmmm as much as I like ARE I think he will do good to go to Chicago. He will be closer to home, make more money and probably have a better career there. Ike will be a shut down corner IMO so we need to keep him. I would prefer to keep both Hope and BK, but think BK is the bigger need so if it comes to pennies we will probably keep BK and let Hope go. I personally would like to keep Townsend and if someone doesnt offer him big money we should definately keep him. I can see Coke needing 1 more year, he showed flashes this year, but just hasnt put it all together yet. I think that Duece should take a restructure to be paired with Parker. As good as Parker is, our Off is built for a runner like Staley. I think (hope) he will pull a big load for us next year. That being said, given his injury record I think we will try to keep Haynes or draft a solid back in the 3rd or so round. I can see Kimo finishing his career with the Steelers and restructuring to do so. I think he would be happy spelling and grooming his replacement.

So after all that here are my ideas on priorities
1 Ike
2 BK
3 Hope (for decent money, dont overpay)
4 ARE (for decent money, dont overpay)
5 Townsend
6 restructure Kimo
7 restructure Staley or get rid of him

Atlanta Dan
02-11-2006, 07:36 AM
Here is the link to a story by Ed.B. in Saturday's P-G on FAs and salary cap issues.

Nothing particularly new to posters on this board, but a good overview with specific numbers. The salary incentives for winning the Super Bowl that will need to be paid (as Ed.B. says, a good problem to have since that is the point to why they play) are said to be significant enough to probably cost at least one FA.

Belichek is confirmed to interested in Randle-El, but I cannot see how a team as cap savvy as the Pats will get get into a bidding war with the Redskins and Bears over a nice player who gives no indication of becoming a #1 receiver.

Ed.B. reiterates that without a new CBA teams may be relucaant to lay out for big FA signings since they will not know over how long a period they can amortize the salary bonuses.

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/06042/653952.stm

Atlanta Dan
02-11-2006, 07:46 AM
More Ed.B. from P-G Black & Gold Insider today. That is a restricted site, so I will quote his comments below:

You'd like to see them keep all the ones you mentioned but, as you know, that won't happen. Randle El is important but I think he'll get a bigger offer elsewhere. Townsend will be replaced by Bryant McFadden so if he wants to return it will have to be at a reduced wage and as a nickel back. Hope may come back but I also think he'll get a bigger offer elsewhere. They can lose all three and be OK, provided they find someone to play free safety. Mike Logan? He's had a lot of injuries, so that's a call they'll have to make. The guy they really want to keep is defensive end Brett Keisel. I also think Kimo von Oelhoffen brings a lot to them the way Jerome Bettis did, but he too would have to come back for less, and he may because I don't think there will be a bidding war because he's 35.

Sounds like Keisel is a bigger priority than Chris Hope.

TheWarDen86
02-11-2006, 08:22 AM
Townsend as FS? Carter as FS? I don't know. It's a possibility that needs to be explored...keeping one of our experienced nickel backs as FS if Hope takes off.

There ARE a few good FS's out there, like Adam Archuleta (sp?), but I think most are likely to resign with their own teams.

Here's a list (some of these are SS):

UFA?s

1)Adam Archuleta Stl
2)Chris Hope Pit
3)Tank Willliams Tenn
4)Will Demps Bal
5)Corey Chavous Min
6)Dexter Jackson TB
7)Sam Brandon Den
8)Marlon McCree Hou
9)Keion Carpenter Atl
10)Deke Cooper Jax
11)Idrees Bashir Car
12)Anthony Mitchell Cijn
13)Ifeanyi Ohalete Cin
14)Lance Schulters Mia
15)Bracy Walker Det
16)Earl Little GB
17)Kevin McCadam Atl
18)Ronnie Heard Atl
19)Keith Davis Dal
20)Ken Irvin Min
21)John Howell
22)Marquand Manuel
23)Ryan Clark NYG
24)Omar Stoutmare NYG
25)Ramon Walker Hou

RFA?s

1)Terrence Holt Det
2)Guss Scott NE
3)Scott Connot KC
4)Mike Adams
5)Clinton Hart
6)Mel Mitchell NO
7)Jarrod Cooper
8)Yeremiah Bell Mia
9)Reggie Myles Cin
10)Willie Pile Dal


Will Demps is the only Raven I like. He'd be a good fit if Hope departs. He's smart and Hope doesn't hit hard on a consistent basis anyway, so take a guy who can make plays, cover and tackle. Hope to the...Giants? If he was to go to the Ravens I think I'd puke!

Did anyone hear the suggestion on Savaran... for taking the Penn State QB (name escapes me) and using him like EL should he leave (likely to Chicago)? Sounds intiguing. We have to feel confident w/ what the Steelers management has done in the draft in the past. I think the biggest question is at RB. What will happen w/ Duce? If he stays, can he play every game (health wise)? If he goes do we draft a big back or go to FA? Who could play this role in FA? I've said it before but Stephen Davis would be a good fit in our O and hold us over until someone younger and more long term could be picked up or drafted. Of course health is an issue here too and I doubt they'll go to FA for a RB so I'm just throwing it out there. Thoughts?

Mr. Clean
02-11-2006, 08:55 AM
Since Verron Hayes is an UFA, the Steelers will have only Willie Parker and Dan Kreider. They need to keep Duce even though he is injury prone.

The salary cap issue with Jeff Hartings is a much bigger problem than Duce is. They need to restructure Hartings' contract.

Rande El is likely gone. So is Kimo and DeShea. Ike is a restricted free agent and they will not let Ike go.

Michael Robinson is the Penn State quarterback who could be even better than Randle El.

Quincy Morgan played very well on kickoff returns. He is also an UFA but with the knee injury he will not command as much as he wants.

Priorities for UFAs, in this order - Kiesel, Hope, Batch, Hayes, Morgan. I think the others are gone.

TheWarDen86
02-11-2006, 09:06 AM
Since Verron Hayes is an UFA, the Steelers will have only Willie Parker and Dan Kreider. They need to keep Duce even though he is injury prone.

The salary cap issue with Jeff Hartings is a much bigger problem than Duce is. They need to restructure Hartings' contract.

Rande El is likely gone. So is Kimo and DeShea. Ike is a restricted free agent and they will not let Ike go.

Michael Robinson is the Penn State quarterback who could be even better than Randle El.

Quincy Morgan played very well on kickoff returns. He is also an UFA but with the knee injury he will not command as much as he wants.

Priorities for UFAs, in this order - Kiesel, Hope, Batch, Hayes, Morgan. I think the others are gone.


I love all our players, but what makes Hope such a priority? I got tired of watching him deliver what he thought was a major hit on a reciever only to have said reciever make a great catch, get up and go back to the huddle while Hope stood there shocked. Keep him if we can, alright but I don't think he's at all a priority. We can get a guy who hits at least as hard or can cover and make plays on the ball. They're out there and at less cost to us.

TasmanianTroy271
02-11-2006, 09:16 AM
If Hope goes to the Giants, I'll die from laughter. They've taken SO many of our players over the years, it's crazy

Kendrick Clancy, Plaxico Burress, Brent Alexander, Alonzo Jackson, and Matt Kranchick are all on their active roster, and the only good one is Kranchick

TheWarDen86
02-11-2006, 09:21 AM
If Hope goes to the Giants, I'll die from laughter. They've taken SO many of our players over the years, it's crazy

Kendrick Clancy, Plaxico Burress, Brent Alexander, Alonzo Jackson, and Matt Kranchick are all on their active roster, and the only good one is Kranchick

Being in NJ, the Giants are my 2nd team so I was happy to be able to still cheer for those guys (except AJ-nothing against him personally, but he sux). We're lucky our LB's are under contract though 'cause the Gints are in some serious need for players there. In any event... I can't wait to see what our beloved Steelers do in the off-season.

BlitzburghRockCity
02-11-2006, 01:24 PM
I love all our players, but what makes Hope such a priority? I got tired of watching him deliver what he thought was a major hit on a reciever only to have said reciever make a great catch, get up and go back to the huddle while Hope stood there shocked. Keep him if we can, alright but I don't think he's at all a priority. We can get a guy who hits at least as hard or can cover and make plays on the ball. They're out there and at less cost to us.


Mainly becuz Chris is the best and really only FS we have with experience and that is good. WE have pretty much ZERO quality, healthy, depth at Safety as it is, and Hope works great with Troy. We've finally got our secondary set w/ good solid players and having to retain another safety at this point would be a pain. The last thing u wanna do if u can avoid is have alot of turnover in the secondary, those guys work together and they all have to be on the same page becuz they play so far apart from each other on the field they need to know who is where when help is needed.

Chris is a big hitter and he delivered some hellacious blows in the playoffs and SB that really helped us get off the field on 3rd down. IMO atleast he's a huge priority. :cool:

TheWarDen86
02-11-2006, 01:34 PM
Mainly becuz Chris is the best and really only FS we have with experience and that is good. WE have pretty much ZERO quality, healthy, depth at Safety as it is, and Hope works great with Troy. We've finally got our secondary set w/ good solid players and having to retain another safety at this point would be a pain. The last thing u wanna do if u can avoid is have alot of turnover in the secondary, those guys work together and they all have to be on the same page becuz they play so far apart from each other on the field they need to know who is where when help is needed.

Chris is a big hitter and he delivered some hellacious blows in the playoffs and SB that really helped us get off the field on 3rd down. IMO atleast he's a huge priority. :cool:

He was responsible for backing up Joey's words on Stevens in the SB, but I still can't help but think he becomes expendable if the cost is too high. Obviously you can't get repour (sp) and familiarity in FA but...

blitzburgher
02-11-2006, 04:25 PM
i think they should try to keep most of the younger guys ,i like to see deshea stay on even just for his leadership , kimo would be nice to keep if in a somewhat reduced role for less money even though he can still play eventually his age wil catch up with him ,probably late in the season , there is a buzz on the talk shows that they may keep staley is he agrees to less money as he is always injured (at least he thinks so).

Suitanim
02-11-2006, 04:40 PM
Yeah, I'm sure Duce will be back...I'd offer him an incentive laden contract, and he'd be wise to take it. There won't be much interest in a 31 year old running back who has spent much of the last 4 years injured.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
02-11-2006, 05:18 PM
If we lose hope we have to go after Darnell Bing in the Draft to replace him,
6'2'', 220 USC I think he can start from day one.

Ike Taylor....if we let him go, then the FO is just stupid....Taylor is going to be a pro bowler for years to come.

ARE will not be with us next year and i really think we need to find some help there.
although nate washington may turn out to be good.

WE need hanes back for some depth..because i dont trust DUCE to stay healthy

Suitanim
02-11-2006, 05:23 PM
Ike's a restricted FA, and we'll sign him and pay him. If someone ponies up major money for him, it'll cost them major compensation in picks. Haynes will be back, too.

Milkman
02-11-2006, 07:39 PM
Priorities to me...

1) Ike Taylor
2) Chris Hope
3) ARE
4) everyone else.

Suitanim
02-11-2006, 08:00 PM
Saw this elsewhere...it's Ed Bouchette, and he knows what he's doing...And I was closer than I thought as well.

Steelers | W. Williams likely released
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:39:21 -0800

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers CB Willie Williams will likely be released this offseason. Williams was due $1,235,000 for the 2006 season, but he lost his starting job at the end of training camp.


Steelers | Keisel a priority to get re-signed
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:39:04 -0800

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers DL Brett Keisel is the team's priority to get re-signed for the 2006 season. The team's decision could leave DL Kimo von Oelhoffen in limbo, but he could be offered a one-year deal to stay.


Steelers | Batch likely re-signed
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:38:33 -0800

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers QB Charlie Batch will likely get re-signed as the backup quarterback for the team.


Steelers | Maddox likely cut
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:38:13 -0800

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers QB Tommy Maddox will likely get cut due to his $1.1 million salary and for being demoted to the No. 3 quarterback role.


Steelers | Okobi possible salary cap victim
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:37:46 -0800

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers C Chukky Okobi could become a salary cap victim if C Jeff Hartings is willing to take a pay cut. Okobi is due to make $2 million for the 2006 season and would be a backup if Hartings stays.



Steelers | Hartings possible salary cap victim
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:37:11 -0800

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers C Jeff Hartings might become a salary cap victim if he is not willing to take a pay cut. Hartings is due $4,750,000 for the 2006 season, with a $750,000 roster bonus due March 2. If Hartings is released, C Chukky Okobi would become the team's new center.

Steelers | Super Bowl win hurt team's salary cap
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:35:48 -0800

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports the Pittsburgh Steelers' Super Bowl XL win might cost the team a free-agent signing. A number of Steelers had incentives in their contracts for winning the Super Bowl. QB Ben Roethlisberger alone received a $500,000 bonus because of the victory.

BlitzburghRockCity
02-11-2006, 08:29 PM
The only thing that worries me about losing okobi is that Hartings is no spring chicken w/ good knees. Okobi has been waiting a long time and unless Jeff can last another couple years to give us time to develop another center..

i just dont know..

Rotorhead
02-12-2006, 02:25 AM
I am not sure what I think should be done at center, I havent ever seen Okobi play . . . do you guys think he can replace Hartings with little to no dropoff? If not we need to resign Hartings for at least 2 years, cut Okobi and draft Hartings replacement.

TheWarDen86
02-12-2006, 07:18 AM
Saw this elsewhere...it's Ed Bouchette, and he knows what he's doing...And I was closer than I thought as well.

Steelers | W. Williams likely released
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:39:21 -0800

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers CB Willie Williams will likely be released this offseason. Williams was due $1,235,000 for the 2006 season, but he lost his starting job at the end of training camp.


Steelers | Keisel a priority to get re-signed
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:39:04 -0800

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers DL Brett Keisel is the team's priority to get re-signed for the 2006 season. The team's decision could leave DL Kimo von Oelhoffen in limbo, but he could be offered a one-year deal to stay.


Steelers | Batch likely re-signed
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:38:33 -0800

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers QB Charlie Batch will likely get re-signed as the backup quarterback for the team.


Steelers | Maddox likely cut
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:38:13 -0800

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers QB Tommy Maddox will likely get cut due to his $1.1 million salary and for being demoted to the No. 3 quarterback role.


Steelers | Okobi possible salary cap victim
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:37:46 -0800

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers C Chukky Okobi could become a salary cap victim if C Jeff Hartings is willing to take a pay cut. Okobi is due to make $2 million for the 2006 season and would be a backup if Hartings stays.



Steelers | Hartings possible salary cap victim
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:37:11 -0800

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers C Jeff Hartings might become a salary cap victim if he is not willing to take a pay cut. Hartings is due $4,750,000 for the 2006 season, with a $750,000 roster bonus due March 2. If Hartings is released, C Chukky Okobi would become the team's new center.

Steelers | Super Bowl win hurt team's salary cap
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:35:48 -0800

Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports the Pittsburgh Steelers' Super Bowl XL win might cost the team a free-agent signing. A number of Steelers had incentives in their contracts for winning the Super Bowl. QB Ben Roethlisberger alone received a $500,000 bonus because of the victory.

I agree w/ everything here except that we will not lose both Hartings and Okobi. One or the other. We must keep IKE! However, we will be compensated if we lose him. I hope Batch stays. Bye Bye Tommy. Kimo? Love him but I just don't know. Already gave my thoughts on Hope. Randel El......Man I love that guy but I just don't see it. He deserves big money and we won't have it available. He's from Chicago and Da Bears are interested. It's a great situation for him and I'd be happy for him if he went there. Conversely, I'll hate his guts if he were to sign w/ a division rival like the ravens! With that in mind, if he was to stay that would just go to show what kind of a team player he really is.

Again, I'd heard rumors about us drafting the QB from Penn State (name?) to use in place of EL in the same capacity. Pretty intriguing.

TasmanianTroy271
02-12-2006, 02:29 PM
If Hope goes to the Giants, I'll die from laughter. They've taken SO many of our players over the years, it's crazy

Kendrick Clancy, Plaxico Burress, Brent Alexander, Alonzo Jackson, and Matt Kranchick are all on their active roster, and the only good one is Kranchick

lol this is a little off topic, but I was just looking at the players the Giants sent over to NFL Europe, and these are some of the names...

Center Joe Iorio
Running Back Chad Scott
Cornerback Vontez Duff

Sound Familiar? lol (all players we had the last offseason)

Mike Robinson from Penn State has a better chance at taking over Chris Hope's spot than Randel El's. From the Senior Bowl, they said he just couldn't squeeze the ball, and would be better off as a Safety. But you never know, he might just need development.

The whole Center Situation, I have faith that whoever we keep, will be able to do the job for us. I'll be worried, though, if we don't take a Center on the first day. By The Way, does anyone know when the compensatory picks are given out? I'd like to know what we get...

tony hipchest
02-14-2006, 04:51 PM
what if kordell came to the team and offered to be randel els replacement for league minimum? (this wont happen, im just mentionning it for conversations sake)

TasmanianTroy271
02-14-2006, 06:55 PM
Everyone is biased against Kordell because he didn't do well at QB, but he never got a chance to do well at the other positions because of his ego. I hope he gets another chance to do well with us, jut not at QB.

Suitanim
02-14-2006, 07:01 PM
Everyone is biased against Kordell because he didn't do well at QB, but he never got a chance to do well at the other positions because of his ego. I hope he gets another chance to do well with us, jut not at QB.

A-whomanawhatama? Are you serious? You'd like to see KS back in the B&G?

Again, there's just no chance...the Steelers would sign Ray Lewis, Jamal Lewis and OJ Simpson as a Running Backs coach before they'd hire Stewart back again.

TasmanianTroy271
02-14-2006, 07:29 PM
This argument comes up on Steelers Fever every offseson I'm sure. It happenend when Kordell was released by the Ravens earlier. The geneal consesus on Kordell was that he was like a Michael Vick, a Vince Young, or a Mike Robinson, only he couldn't pass as well as the first 2. If he had sucked it up and became a WR or a RB, he probably would have been as beloved as El, but he had to be the QB, and when he tanked, he took all the blame as the QB. You have to admit, Kordell is/was one hell of an athlete. Whose to say when someone's washed up? Obviously if the Lions and Bengals had known that Hartings and Kimo would both be playing at the levels they are now, they wouldn't have let them go. Whose to say we couldn't do the same thing with Kordell that we did with them?

Suitanim
02-14-2006, 07:35 PM
But he's 33 years old now, and clearly, the window of opportunity has closed. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...and the Steelers aren't fools.

tony hipchest
02-14-2006, 07:37 PM
i dont know about kordells speed. if he still has it i think he could still be a good wr if he swallowed his pride. maybe not for the steelers but dude did have skills. while he made alot of $$$ from the steelers as a busted qb he did his football career and legacy harm by being so hell bent on playing qb. even randel el deep down knows he couldnt have done what ben has been doing these last 2 seasons. el has a ring, will be making some cash, and is ensuring a long lived career in the nfl. steelerfans havnt turned on him yet either although it was close with that pitch against the patriots. (i still get a kick out of patfans ive encountered on other boards who think the pats beat the steelers asses that day)

clevestinks
02-15-2006, 04:31 AM
what if kordell came to the team and offered to be randel els replacement for league minimum? (this wont happen, im just mentionning it for conversations sake)
I`m sorry, but I would never trust Kordell in a El role. El has three times as good an arm.

TheWarDen86
02-15-2006, 08:27 AM
Everyone is biased against Kordell because he didn't do well at QB, but he never got a chance to do well at the other positions because of his ego. I hope he gets another chance to do well with us, jut not at QB.

That's actually got me curious....Very Intriguing.

mopit55
02-17-2006, 01:14 AM
steelers must take a qb in draft in 3 or 4 round, for exemple marcus vick,dj shockley, mike robinson,not a old free agent or others.

TheWarDen86
02-17-2006, 08:50 AM
steelers must take a qb in draft in 3 or 4 round, for exemple marcus vick,dj shockley, mike robinson,not a old free agent or others.

Robinson yes, Vick NOOOOOO way!

Suitanim
02-17-2006, 09:07 AM
The Steelers take a QB in the 5th or so every year it seems, and I'm sure they will use 4b or 5a to do so this year.

Stlrs4Life
02-18-2006, 10:03 PM
Robinson yes, Vick NOOOOOO way!


What he said!

clevestinks
02-19-2006, 12:07 PM
I`ve stated here many times that I would like to grab Robinson, he may be another Ward/El.

Suitanim
02-19-2006, 07:23 PM
I`ve stated here many times that I would like to grab Robinson, he may be another Ward/El.

I'm warming up to this idea...especially since we have supplemental picks in rds 3, 4 and 5. The dude is a phenomenal athlete, and can be utilized for all sorts of things...RB, WR, KR/PR maybe even play a little safety.

StillerPaul
02-22-2006, 02:10 PM
Ricardo Colclough is in the exact same situation as Ike was last year...he came from a small school, so they gave him 2 years to adjust instead of one. The Coke/McFaddy battle will be the best one in camp next year, and whoever wins will make the Steelers a better team.

I think McFadden wins that battle hands down. Something tells me this kid is gonna be something special. I'm in the middle of doing a draft write up on the Safety position, as i think we'll look to the draft for Hope's replacement. We could draft ARE's replacement as well.

Other than that, we should have no problems getting the role players in place. Isn't it sweet to win the Super Bowl and STILL not have as much off-season headaches as the rest of our division rivals? :bouncy:

StillerPaul
02-22-2006, 02:11 PM
I'm warming up to this idea...especially since we have supplemental picks in rds 3, 4 and 5. The dude is a phenomenal athlete, and can be utilized for all sorts of things...RB, WR, KR/PR maybe even play a little safety.


I'm not high on Robinson. I think we need a true #2 WR in our offense. If we get that legitimate deep threat / field stretcher, our offense and Ben will grow even more IMO.

SteelerMurf
02-25-2006, 09:36 PM
Cowher loves the Randle El/Hines Ward WRs that can do it all. Michael Robinson is a phenomenal athlete. He can flat out run the ball like a RB too.

I would love him in the 3rd if he goes that far, which I think he will because he is not gonna be a QB and I don't think teams like the project WRs that much except for Jax last year with Matt Jones.

nu4everfan15
02-27-2006, 09:55 PM
if we take robinson i will be sooo mad cause it will be a very big waste of a useful draft pick.