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tony hipchest
02-17-2006, 04:17 PM
for the same amount of $$$ the steelers are willing to offer, who would you rather have? moulds may be a salary cap casualty. this is exactly how the patriots landed rodney harrison at a bargain price.

XxKnightxX
02-17-2006, 04:38 PM
Nope i dont think the Rooneys would like his attitude for the reason he got suspended thsi season. If he can change his attitude and show that it was a mistake then i wouldnt think hell be a good fit with the steelers.

BB2W
02-17-2006, 04:39 PM
That a good question... If Moulds were a few years younger I would say him, but I would have to say El at 26 compared to Moulds at 32 years old. Plus, El can do so many more things. At the same time I would like to replace El with a bigger receiver like a Moulds in his prime.

tony hipchest
02-17-2006, 04:47 PM
i think the thinking is el is expendable because of bens development and the steelers will evolve into a more balanced pass oriented team especially with an upgrade at wr. personally i dont think the gadget plays need to be eliminated especially with their success rate. these are some intangibles that make el more valuable than just the ordinary #2- 3 wr. i hope el gives a discounted rate. but if he leaves there may be options out there that sneak up on the steelers. the steelers did give c. wilson 2 mil/ year who can easilly replace els #s in the wr depr., and moulds may have some gas in the tank and give significant depth. point is if el does go there are, and will be options out there.

im kind of thinking of him as a better version of terence mathis when he became a steeler. but then again if moulds does wind up as someone like ty law last year. someone we hope we can get cheap on a hometown or reigning champs discound who winds up getting a much bigger deal.

Livinginthe past
02-17-2006, 06:04 PM
Moulds would be a great capture for the Steelers.

He has been a genuinely loyal player for the Bills franchise during his career - the unrest there going all the way upto the board room has obviously affected his behaviour this year.

This guy would be no problem in the Steelers lockerroom - or any other lockerroom he chose.

I think some people are blinded by what El done with the 'gadget play' in the SB - he is not a No.2 receiver - and the Steelers wont pay over the odds for a No.3 receiver.

Now that the Steelers are Champs they have some tough decisions ahead - the only way El stays is if he agrees to take the self imposed discount to go for another ring.

NM

Stlrs4Life
02-17-2006, 06:07 PM
His attitude was that he didn't want to be with the Bills any longer. I would take him, but wouldn't put myself in cap heck for him.

tony hipchest
02-17-2006, 06:22 PM
Moulds would be a great capture for the Steelers.

He has been a genuinely loyal player for the Bills franchise during his career - the unrest there going all the way upto the board room has obviously affected his behaviour this year.

This guy would be no problem in the Steelers lockerroom - or any other lockerroom he chose.

I think some people are blinded by what El done with the 'gadget play' in the SB - he is not a No.2 receiver - and the Steelers wont pay over the odds for a No.3 receiver.

Now that the Steelers are Champs they have some tough decisions ahead - the only way El stays is if he agrees to take the self imposed discount to go for another ring.

NM 1st hes gotta be cut by the bills. i dont have a link or nothing to quote but football instinct tells me the patriots will be licking their chops at the prospects of signing this guy on the cheap and so will alot of other teams. im sure it is an option the steelers will explore just like they kept an open mind about ty law last year. (and remember ty law had some issues with him so people shouldnt think 1 little blow up by moulds in buffalo will prevent the steelers from giving him a look)

WWIIOwheelz
02-17-2006, 07:02 PM
I had Moulds in my Fantasy League this year, a good receiver. Buffalo had some issues. My feeling is that he would be a much more legitimate receiver than El, but lacks the bonus(es) ARE brings to the table.

That said, I'm not sure what Moulds will demand, but I think he'd be happy to come here & be a part of a winner. He's got good enough hands that I know he'd be a great target for Ben, and his height alone would be a factor. I've got a feeling he'd make an effort to fit in, and if he didn't, we have a certain bulldog named Joey Porter for locker room policing. :)

If we got Moulds, I'd be very happy.

SISTINAS
02-17-2006, 10:38 PM
I dont think they will resign ARE or sign Moulds if he does become a free agent. Next year's top 4 wideouts will be Ward, Wilson, Morgan, and, probably, Nate Washington, assuming no injuries. A draft pick is also possible. There's too many other key players that need resigned in other areas to spend too much on a wideout. Maybe if Moulds was VERY cheap, but I doubt it.

augustashark
02-17-2006, 11:23 PM
Having big time receivers are not always needed to win championship's. Since the 99 Rams there has not been a team that won a SB that had big time rec's!

00-Ravens-Other than a decent TE not much thereafter
01-Patriots-Good set but no big stand out
02-Bucs-Keyshawn? I would'nt call that big time!
03-Patriots-See above
04-Patriots-See above
05-Steelers-Ward is good but in all just an ok set

I would take moulds, but only If we can't resign ARE. I also think that having Morgan and Ced is not that bad of a set.

Livinginthe past
02-18-2006, 01:50 AM
1st hes gotta be cut by the bills. i dont have a link or nothing to quote but football instinct tells me the patriots will be licking their chops at the prospects of signing this guy on the cheap and so will alot of other teams. im sure it is an option the steelers will explore just like they kept an open mind about ty law last year. (and remember ty law had some issues with him so people shouldnt think 1 little blow up by moulds in buffalo will prevent the steelers from giving him a look)

No quote?

No Link?

Why I shouldn't even waste my valuable time reading this...... :cool:

The Pats have some issues at WR - free agency departures being the main problem - im hoping Givens will have a long hard look at what happened to the other Pats who went to lesser teams for the dollar and see what became of them.

Damien Woody - Detriot Lions
Lawyer Milloy - Buffalo Bills
Ty Law - NY Jets

All well paid - all probably never going to see the playoffs again barring another move.

I think its fair to say that the Pats and Steelers will be looking at similar player pools for free agency signings.

NM

clevestinks
02-18-2006, 08:06 AM
Eric Moulds would be a great catch, but not the same as El, but he would be a better WR

Long Island Steel
02-18-2006, 04:17 PM
If you lined up Moulds opposite Ward it would cause a lot of trouble for opposing defenses.

Plus, you'd be able to slide Ward into the position that El took on the gadget plays.

If he really was cheap, it'd be a great pickup.

Suitanim
02-18-2006, 05:24 PM
Plus, you'd be able to slide Ward into the position that El took on the gadget plays.



THANK YOU! Why has it taken so long for someone to remember that Ward played QB in college, too? We lose nothing by moving another guy who can't throw a football into the #2 spot, since we always have a #1 who can.

Eric Moulds can still play a bit, but bear in mind that he'd be a temporary fix. I'd rather rebuild and win at the same time. I'm pulling for Martin Nance in Rd 2.

tony hipchest
02-18-2006, 05:35 PM
THANK YOU! Why has it taken so long for someone to remember that Ward played QB in college, too? We lose nothing by moving another guy who can't throw a football into the #2 spot, since we always have a #1 who can.

Eric Moulds can still play a bit, but bear in mind that he'd be a temporary fix. I'd rather rebuild and win at the same time. I'm pulling for Martin Nance in Rd 2. im thinking the steelers will offer el a contract a lille jucier than what c. wilson got last year with a bigger signing bonus. im thinking el will be looking for atleast 4 mil./ year. im also thinking theres a remote chance that someone like moulds, who has already had their multi million dollar contract, would be willing to take a 1 year deal for about 2-2.5 mil. to get a ring. something el already has. m. nance would still be a great pick. he could be groomed for a year to study under moulds and ward and not be thrust so quick into 2nd receiver duties, but like polamalu be ready to assume that role their sophmore year. all this on a 4- 5 year rookie contract.

clevestinks
02-18-2006, 05:44 PM
I agree with needing a long term player, but we are great now, we need players now

Need4spd
02-18-2006, 06:39 PM
If the Steelers pay El four million dollars PER year to keep him, I'd like to see everyone in the Steelers front office drug tested and I'd also like to have some of what they're on because I would have to assume that it's some pretty good shit. No seriously, that would be absolutely ludicrous to pay a guy like Randel El that much money. Now don't get me wrong, I like El, I like what he brings to the Steelers offense, I really do, but seriously guys, he's not even a legitimate #2 receiver. He's a solid #3 receiver who granted does bring an added dimension to an offense, but I'm sorry folks, it ain't worth that much dough. I know it's easy to get caught up in the gadget plays and all that jazz, but to pay a guy like El four million a year would be salary cap suicide. This is one of those situations where a guy put on a good show at the right time heading into free agency, and another team who feels like they're weak at that position will be willing to over-pay for him because they think he might be able to help get them to the next level. The Steelers are prudent when it comes to money though, and they'll play this thing smart when it comes right down to it.

Need4spd
02-18-2006, 06:51 PM
After all that, I forgot to leave my .02 cents about Moulds. I think with a QB like "The Berger" throwing to him, he can be a very good receiver. I'm not going to go so far as to say great, especially not at this stage of his career, but he's darn good. The Steelers would basically have two legitimate #1 receivers heading into next year. Just sitting here and considering the possibilities with that kind of a duo at receiver is pretty exciting stuff. Not only would it add another obvious threat in the passing game, it would free up Willie in the running game as well by forcing defenses to respect the pass more.

All that being said, I would be real surprised if Moulds ended up coming to Pittsburgh.

Petesburgh66
02-19-2006, 08:27 PM
Moulds isn't washed up. It was the constant QB merry go round in Buffalo that really hurt him this year. So if the Steelers do take a chance on him, (I doubt it though), it wouldn't be a bad gamble.