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cloppbeast
08-16-2010, 11:21 PM
I think after all is said and done, we may look back on Ben's tribulations this off season as a positive for the Steelers and particularly Ben himself.

It was well documented that Ben usually did very little in the off season, except party and sleep with women it seems. He usually came into camp kind of pudgy, out of shape, and out of sync. Even in the regular season, I don't think he ever put as much time into his game, as say Peyton Manning.

It also seems as though Ben may not have always been the best teammate, kind of aloof and arrogant towards other players at times.

This whole ordeal seems to have inspired Ben to work a little harder this off season and have a better attitude. Multiple coaches, players, and reporters have commented on how good he looks and camp. Arains even said this is the best he's ever seen Ben at this junction of the season. This trend will probably continue into the regular season.

I read a couple of articles of players praising Ben's new dedication to the team; he's also been a lot more personable with fans, spending hours after practice signing autographs for fans. (My wife just got his autograph today, and more importantly wasn't scathed) Maybe this is all just an act. Frankly I don't care if it's all fake, because the on the field implications are for real, and that's all that really matters.

Maybe if we go 2-2 during the games Ben is suspended, which In my opinion is the worse case scenario, it may be worthwhile sacrifice to have a new and improved Ben on the field for the last 12 games and beyond.

Ben usually plays much better with a chip on his shoulder, so there's little doubt in my mind that he'll have a great, even dominant season. In the mere 12 games he plays, I wouldn't be surprised if he came close to 30 TDs. I just hope his terrible off season has changed his outlook and he works this hard for the rest of his career.

whatdoiknow
08-16-2010, 11:35 PM
I think after all is said and done, we may look back on Ben's tribulations this off season as a positive for the Steelers and particularly Ben himself.

It was well documented that Ben usually did very little in the off season, except party and sleep with women it seems. He usually came into camp kind of pudgy, out of shape, and out of sync. Even in the regular season, I don't think he ever put as much time into his game, as say Peyton Manning.

It also seems as though Ben may not have always been the best teammate, kind of aloof and arrogant towards other players at times.

This whole ordeal seems to have inspired Ben to work a little harder this off season and have a better attitude. Multiple coaches, players, and reporters have commented on how good he looks and camp. Arains even said this is the best he's ever seen Ben at this junction of the season. This trend will probably continue into the regular season.

I read a couple of articles of players praising Ben's new dedication to the team; he's also been a lot more personable with fans, spending hours after practice signing autographs for fans. (My wife just got his autograph today, and more importantly wasn't scathed) Maybe this is all just an act. Frankly I don't care if it's all fake, because the on the field implications are for real, and that's all that really matters.

Maybe if we go 2-2 during the games Ben is suspended, which In my opinion is the worse case scenario, it may be worthwhile sacrifice to have a new and improved Ben on the field for the last 12 games and beyond.

Ben usually plays much better with a chip on his shoulder, so there's little doubt in my mind that he'll have a great, even dominant season. In the mere 12 games he plays, I wouldn't be surprised if he came close to 30 TDs. I just hope his terrible off season has changed his outlook and he works this hard for the rest of his career.





I'm sorry but that above statement is the most ridiculous dribble I have ever read. I mean when, before the last 3 months, when in 2004, 05, 06, 07, 08 have you EVER read where Ben was out drinking in Bars, or in strip clubs, and having sex with multiple women ?...where ? And yes, Ben came into Camp about 7 Lbs lighter than he had in the past by his own admission. But PLEASE don't say Ben was out of shape in previous camps, cause that is total BS! As far as being rude to teammates or Aloof, PLEASE, Ben..( When he shouldn't have )..time and time again has always gave first credit in ANY Win to his O-Line in Interviews. He has constantly taken out his Linemen to Dinner, and brought ALL of them twice to the Pro-Bowl, all at Ben's expense.


You say it is WELL DOCUMENTED that Ben has a History of not working in the o--season and drinking and sleeping with women ?...please,,,present those documents please...just ONE! Cause I will GLADLY Bet my " Family Jewels " that you can't find a one! :toofunny:



Like I said, most ridiculous dribble I have ever read :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

cloppbeast
08-17-2010, 12:30 AM
I mean when, before the last 3 months, when in 2004, 05, 06, 07, 08 have you EVER read where Ben was out drinking in Bars, or in strip clubs, and having sex with multiple women ?...where ?

Just so you know, that it was well documented that he drank and slept with women all offseason was a mistype. I meant it to be a sarcastic, but I misedited my post. I do believe though, that it can be reasonably ascertained that his evening in Miledgeville on March 5th was a pattern, and not an isolated event:

http://deadspin.com/151809/its-good-to-be-big-ben

This is just a blog, but I put it here to prove I'm not alone: http://wnst.net/wordpress/rexsnider/2010/03/09/roethlisberger-is-at-a-crossroads/

And yes, Ben came into Camp about 7 Lbs lighter than he had in the past by his own admission. But PLEASE don't say Ben was out of shape in previous camps, cause that is total BS!

Listen, Ben's work ethic is not something you ever hear about. He never comes into camp in good shape. He usually comes in a little pudgy - that's a fact. This year - as multiple sources have pointed out - he looks like he's in great shape, much better than years past. AND, he says he actually worked out this off season. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out, that he probably didn't work on his game very much in past off seasons. He did this time. The night of March 5th probably had something to do with it, and that's all I'm saying. I hope that he makes it a continued effort to work this hard during every offseason the rest of his career

As far as being rude to teammates or Aloof, PLEASE, Ben..( When he shouldn't have )..time and time again has always gave first credit in ANY Win to his O-Line in Interviews. He has constantly taken out his Linemen to Dinner, and brought ALL of them twice to the Pro-Bowl, all at Ben's expense.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=5132299

You can debate whether Najeh's a reliable source all you want, but he said about 60% of the team felt like Ben acted like he was above the team. Joey Porter even had to confront Ben about it.

James Walker from espn wrote: "Roethlisberger, admittedly not a good teammate at times during his first six NFL seasons, was more outgoing and animated than usual during the first of the day's two practices. Receiver Hines Ward said the disgraced quarterback was clearly working to improve his relationship with his teammates."

My advice to you whatdoiknow, is stfu and stop being a dick, or else start having private forums with supa_fly_steeler. I made one gaffe, and the rest of what I said was reasonable.

steeltheone
08-17-2010, 06:37 AM
I agree...Ben has never been known for being a workout warrior or film study guy. He has relied on his athletic mobility. This could cut his career short for that mobility will slowly fade and years of film study and conditioning will take a bigger role. I also think he was getting overweight.

This may trigger his performance to an even higher level!

wootawnee
08-17-2010, 09:16 AM
I agree...Ben has never been known for being a workout warrior or film study guy. He has relied on his athletic mobility. This could cut his career short for that mobility will slowly fade and years of film study and conditioning will take a bigger role. I also think he was getting overweight.

This may trigger his performance to an even higher level!

Ben's old school.......Play hard on the field, then go party........What do you think they did in the old days........Exactly that........Screw looking at film for days,that suks..........Drink Beer, Hang with Friends and family,Chase women when your young, work out your body,go to church and tell GOD what you did the whole week, live life and playPLAY PLAY, ball.......Life is simple.

Besides, All Peyton Manning does is make commercials, not train........ Least Ben lives like a real American.....This thread suks.....
Go hang out with Mary Poppins and drink tea.......

cloppbeast
08-17-2010, 09:53 AM
Ben's old school.......Play hard on the field, then go party........What do you think they did in the old days........Exactly that........Screw looking at film for days,that suks..........Drink Beer, Hang with Friends and family,Chase women when your young, work out your body,go to church and tell GOD what you did the whole week, live life and playPLAY PLAY, ball.......Life is simple.

Besides, All Peyton Manning does is make commercials, not train........ Least Ben lives like a real American.....This thread suks.....
Go hang out with Mary Poppins and drink tea.......

We can all agree that the league was much different back then. The athleticism now is much better now than it ever has been, and the game is much more complicated.

Back in the day, if everyone played football and drank beer all night then you weren't at a disadvantage for doing so. But today, that's not the case. Players are putting much more time into studying, watching film, and preparing physically. If everybody else works hard in the offseason, and Ben drinks beer, he's at a disadvantage.

Anyway, dude, I made it clear that I don't care that he drinks beer, not from a moral standpoint anyhow. I could care less. But I do have a problem when partying interferes with Ben's performance.

whatdoiknow
08-17-2010, 10:01 AM
We can all agree that the league was much different back then. The athleticism now is much better now than it ever has been, and the game is much more complicated.

Back in the day, if everyone played football and drank beer all night then you weren't at a disadvantage for doing so. But today, that's not the case. Players are putting much more time into studying, watching film, and preparing physically. If everybody else works hard in the offseason, and Ben drinks beer, he's at a disadvantage.

Anyway, dude, I made it clear that I don't care that he drinks beer, not from a moral standpoint anyhow. I could care less. But I do have a problem when partying interferes with Ben's performance.




Ben....TWO Super Bowl wins before he was 26...Ah, exactly HOW many did Manning have by that time ? And please don't go to the other players Ben plays with cause NO QB has had better overall team talent then Peyton has had. And as far as Ben goes, QB's have different types of bodies. A QB who is totally muscled up tend to be High Injury risks, and are not very good. Also, Ben as a natually BIG guy is not going to look like a Chip & Dale's dancer :hatsoff:...for his natural size, Ben may be as Athletic as they come. As for Ben NOT doing much film study...I call BS on that. I have never seen any stories coming from anyone saying that. And no way would Cowher ever put up with that from anyone. Neither would Tomlin. So your points on Ben are exactly that...YOUR own points. Based on nothing more then your own ridiculous speculation. BTW, you wanna talk about " Flabby "...try looking at a picture last year of Tom Brady on the beach in People Magazine...he is WAY more fat & Flabby then Ben ever will be. But yet we don't hear any negative things about Brady.

chacha
08-17-2010, 10:28 AM
^ totally agree, Ben didnt need any "help" in being a better QB, he was already doing just fine, thank you

cloppbeast
08-17-2010, 10:51 AM
Ben....TWO Super Bowl wins before he was 26...Ah, exactly HOW many did Manning have by that time ? And please don't go to the other players Ben plays with cause NO QB has had better overall team talent then Peyton has had.

I was not claiming that Peyton was a better QB than Ben, although he is, in fact. The point I was making was that Peyton works harder than Ben. Are you arguing this point? Peyton is a successfull QB because he works hard, and everybody is always praising his work ethic. I can't remember anybody ever praising Ben's work ethic. Ben is a successful QB because of natural ability. I beleive Ben has more natural ability than Manning, and if he worked has hard as Manning does, well he would be even better.

Ben may be as Athletic as they come. As for Ben NOT doing much film study...I call BS on that. I have never seen any stories coming from anyone saying that. And no way would Cowher ever put up with that from anyone. Neither would Tomlin.

Have you ever read any reports praising Ben's film work study? Obviously, Cowher and Tomlin set a minimum requirement for the amount of film players have to watch, but whether they would tolerate anything less is up for debate. Several former Steelers have indicated that Ben received star treatment.

Probably, Ben put in the minimum effort. J Peezy confronted Ben at one point about being, "the last person in the building and the first person to leave, not being dedicated to the team," The leader of the team, imo, should be the first on on the field and last one off. It looks like he's ready to do that this season.

So your points on Ben are exactly that...YOUR own points. Based on nothing more then your own ridiculous speculation.

C'mon, dude. All our conversations about sports are speculation. That's why we love talking about sports, right? When we talk about how the Steelers will do this year, that's speculation too. You're on the other thread talking about how good DD was in college, and you speculate that means he'll be a good QB in the NFL as well.

So what's the big deal?

My speculation about Ben, though, is based real evidence though, regardless of whether you agree or not. I'm not saying it's fact, but I didn't just form my opinion out of thin air, and I have posted several articles to back up my claims.

BTW, you wanna talk about " Flabby "...try looking at a picture last year of Tom Brady on the beach in People Magazine...he is WAY more fat & Flabby then Ben ever will be. But yet we don't hear any negative things about Brady.

This is a Steelers forum, not a Patriots forum. That's why I didn't post anything about Tom Brady.

Anyway, my post wasn't a negative about Ben, it was actually a positive. I mentioned many positive things Ben has done to change not only as a person, but to become a better football player. Here are some of the things I said:

Multiple coaches, players, and reporters have commented on how good he looks and camp.

I think after all is said and done, we may look back on Ben's tribulations this off season as a positive for the Steelers and particularly Ben himself.

Arains even said this is the best he's ever seen Ben at this junction of the season.

In the mere 12 games he plays, I wouldn't be surprised if he came close to 30 TDs.

whatdoiknow
08-17-2010, 11:02 AM
I remember reading that former 1st round pick, Cade McKnown was 20 times the " Hard Worker " that Manning will ever hope to be. Staying on average of 7 to 10 hours AFTER practice to study film, work out even more, and even had a bed Installed at Soldier Field to be the first one there...and how exactly did Cade work out ? Putting in extra film study is ONLY needed if you feel you are a Moron, and need it. Ever consider that Ben is just a more Intelligent guy then Manning, who doesn't have the best " Pedigree " around when it comes to Intelligence from the Family Tree. I tell you what, name a situation where WE..( Steelers )ever lost a game SOLELY because Ben didn't study the opposing teams game films ? Oh that's right...you can't.

cloppbeast
08-17-2010, 11:07 AM
I remember reading that former 1st round pick, Cade McKnown was 20 times the " Hard Worker " that Manning will ever hope to be. Staying on average of 7 to 10 hours AFTER practice to study film, work out even more, and even had a bed Installed at Soldier Field to be the first one there...and how exactly did Cade work out ? Putting in extra film study is ONLY needed if you feel you are a Moron, and need it. Ever consider that Ben is just a more Intelligent guy then Manning, who doesn't have the best " Pedigree " around when it comes to Intelligence from the Family Tree. I tell you what, name a situation where WE..( Steelers )ever lost a game SOLELY because Ben didn't study the opposing teams game films ? Oh that's right...you can't.

You are being absolutely ridiculous dude. Can I name a time when we lost game SOLELY because Ben didn't study the apposing teams' game film???? Of course not!! WTF kind of question is that?

That's not even the point I was making. Why don't you actually take the time to read what and try to understand what I'm trying to say before you comment?

Can you do me a favor and just reread my post?

whatdoiknow
08-17-2010, 11:15 AM
I read them, and I have an IQ over 200. So I think I can understand them. I also understand that everything that has been said, or spoken about Ben has ONLY come out after the two alligations. There were NEVER any comments on Ben's work ethic, approach, or any off the field Issues in his first 5 years in the league. Was he Immature at times ?..Yes. Did he develope a Ego ?..Jesus I hope so. Cause NO Athlete without an Ego will ever be successful. Bottom line is Ben, or any player is not perfect. But Ben has done MORE with LESS around him then any other QB in the league the past 20 years..especially Manning! Who gets his A$$ kissed by everyone. I mean Peyton received the Super Bowl MVP when the Colts won. Ben did not. Can you honestly say Manning had a better game in his Super Bowl then Ben did in his second ? Cause I will bet you, or anyone else cannot say that. Manning was annointed the leagues " Golden Boy " coming out of Tennessee before ever earning it..and that's a FACT! As where Ben had to EARN everything he's received. Until Ben actually does something Egregious, or his LACK of anykind of Work ethis..( Like you say he has very little of )
then I will worry. But until then, I will take Ben, and his dedication and commitment to the game over Manning everyday of the week, and TWICE on Game day!

cloppbeast
08-17-2010, 11:25 AM
There were NEVER any comments on Ben's work ethic, approach, or any off the field Issues in his first 5 years in the league.

See, you haven't read my posts, because I've put articles indicated players complaining about Ben's work ethic in 2006. Joey Porter thought enough about it to even confront him in front of the team. J Peezy told him he was the 'last to arrive and the first to leave', and he didn't show dedication to the team.

cloppbeast
08-17-2010, 11:31 AM
I read them, and I have an IQ over 200. So I think I can understand them. I also understand that everything that has been said, or spoken about Ben has ONLY come out after the two alligations. There were NEVER any comments on Ben's work ethic, approach, or any off the field Issues in his first 5 years in the league. Was he Immature at times ?..Yes. Did he develope a Ego ?..Jesus I hope so. Cause NO Athlete without an Ego will ever be successful. Bottom line is Ben, or any player is not perfect. But Ben has done MORE with LESS around him then any other QB in the league the past 20 years..especially Manning! Who gets his A$$ kissed by everyone. I mean Peyton received the Super Bowl MVP when the Colts won. Ben did not. Can you honestly say Manning had a better game in his Super Bowl then Ben did in his second ? Cause I will bet you, or anyone else cannot say that. Manning was annointed the leagues " Golden Boy " coming out of Tennessee before ever earning it..and that's a FACT! As where Ben had to EARN everything he's received. Until Ben actually does something Egregious, or his LACK of anykind of Work ethis..( Like you say he has very little of )
then I will worry. But until then, I will take Ben, and his dedication and commitment to the game over Manning everyday of the week, and TWICE on Game day!

I'm done arguing with you about this. You absolutely have no idea what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying Ben has been a bad QB, and I'm not saying Payton is better. I'm not even trying to shit on Ben at all, so let's just agree to disagree. I mean, we can't even agree on what we're debating.

CarmenWelden
08-17-2010, 11:32 AM
Just so you know, that it was well documented that he drank and slept with women all offseason was a mistype. I meant it to be a sarcastic, but I misedited my post. I do believe though, that it can be reasonably ascertained that his evening in Miledgeville on March 5th was a pattern, and not an isolated event:

http://deadspin.com/151809/its-good-to-be-big-ben

This is just a blog, but I put it here to prove I'm not alone: http://wnst.net/wordpress/rexsnider/2010/03/09/roethlisberger-is-at-a-crossroads/



Listen, Ben's work ethic is not something you ever hear about. He never comes into camp in good shape. He usually comes in a little pudgy - that's a fact. This year - as multiple sources have pointed out - he looks like he's in great shape, much better than years past. AND, he says he actually worked out this off season. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out, that he probably didn't work on his game very much in past off seasons. He did this time. The night of March 5th probably had something to do with it, and that's all I'm saying. I hope that he makes it a continued effort to work this hard during every offseason the rest of his career



http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=5132299

You can debate whether Najeh's a reliable source all you want, but he said about 60% of the team felt like Ben acted like he was above the team. Joey Porter even had to confront Ben about it.

James Walker from espn wrote: "Roethlisberger, admittedly not a good teammate at times during his first six NFL seasons, was more outgoing and animated than usual during the first of the day's two practices. Receiver Hines Ward said the disgraced quarterback was clearly working to improve his relationship with his teammates."

My advice to you whatdoiknow, is stfu and stop being a dick, or else start having private forums with supa_fly_steeler. I made one gaffe, and the rest of what I said was reasonable.

I agree with you.
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BURNSY
08-17-2010, 12:10 PM
To "whatdoiknow" & "cloppbeast",
This whole back and forth debate is silly. Especially since it sounds a little like you are both saying the same thing ... just different. We can all agree (I hope), the yes, Ben screwed up (again), and that it probably was a result of being young, rich and arrogant. This last incident has been hopefully a huge slap in the face with reality. We all want Ben to be the ideal "unflawed" face of the team. He, like everyone else in this world is not perfect. However, we all would like for this whole thing to be done and over with so that we (The Steelers) can get back to our winning ways. Its very frustrating to hear (still), about the stupid crap that he (Ben) has done. I am sure we all are wanting this to be over with, but it does not help when it keeps being brought up over and over and over again .... True, I do not ever post. But I do read this forum all of the time.

Can't we all just get along ?????? :noidea:

cloppbeast
08-17-2010, 12:34 PM
am sure we all are wanting this to be over with, but it does not help when it keeps being brought up over and over and over again ....

I wasn't trying to talk about the rape allegation again, that really wasn't my point. That's been hashed out enough.

I was trying to make an optimistic post about the whole ordeal, so we could discuss whether it may actually be a good thing in the grand scheme of things. Nobody seems to get that.

Griff
08-17-2010, 02:54 PM
I was trying to make an optimistic post about the whole ordeal, so we could discuss whether it may actually be a good thing in the grand scheme of things. Nobody seems to get that.

We get it, unfortunately you had the misfortune of engaging with whathisname. It could be a very good thing for Ben now that he has recognized what his actions put the organization and its fans through. I'm trying to be optimistic as well, but I am a little concerned that true believers will create another bubble around Ben that will last just long enough for Dixon's contract to run out.

SteeleReign
08-17-2010, 04:38 PM
I remember reading that former 1st round pick, Cade McKnown was 20 times the " Hard Worker " that Manning will ever hope to be. Staying on average of 7 to 10 hours AFTER practice to study film, work out even more, and even had a bed Installed at Soldier Field to be the first one there...and how exactly did Cade work out ? Putting in extra film study is ONLY needed if you feel you are a Moron, and need it. Ever consider that Ben is just a more Intelligent guy then Manning, who doesn't have the best " Pedigree " around when it comes to Intelligence from the Family Tree. I tell you what, name a situation where WE..( Steelers )ever lost a game SOLELY because Ben didn't study the opposing teams game films ? Oh that's right...you can't.

You amaze me with your so-called "over 200 IQ" logic. You think that "extra film study" is only necessary if you are a moron? How about you are driven to succeed to the point where doing what's required is NOT enough? How about going that extra mile to ensure that you don't miss anything & are extra-prepared for the game on Sunday? How about knowing that there are teams of people doing film study each and every week to defeat you so you put in that little extra that may make the difference between winning & losing?

If you truly believe that Ben is more intelligent than Peyton & that's why Peyton studies more film than Ben, well....all I can say is, despite your claim of a 200+ IQ, you are truly ill-informed. Although, I guess, lucky for you, they aren't mutually exclusive.

whatdoiknow
08-17-2010, 05:10 PM
You amaze me with your so-called "over 200 IQ" logic. You think that "extra film study" is only necessary if you are a moron? How about you are driven to succeed to the point where doing what's required is NOT enough? How about going that extra mile to ensure that you don't miss anything & are extra-prepared for the game on Sunday? How about knowing that there are teams of people doing film study each and every week to defeat you so you put in that little extra that may make the difference between winning & losing?

If you truly believe that Ben is more intelligent than Peyton & that's why Peyton studies more film than Ben, well....all I can say is, despite your claim of a 200+ IQ, you are truly ill-informed. Although, I guess, lucky for you, they aren't mutually exclusive.




Going the extra Mile ?...Oh, you mean like Bret Favre does :doh: Maybe the leagues BIGGEST Diva. Worst, work ethic QB in the league, ect, ect...but still is considered a GOD amonst the league officials, and Goodell ? Is that the kind of Extra Mile you are talking about! ?

chacha
08-17-2010, 05:13 PM
We get it, unfortunately you had the misfortune of engaging with whathisname. It could be a very good thing for Ben now that he has recognized what his actions put the organization and its fans through. I'm trying to be optimistic as well, but I am a little concerned that true believers will create another bubble around Ben that will last just long enough for Dixon's contract to run out.

I dont think Ben put the fans through anything, unless they want to get on their high horses and pretend he's the only Steeler who's ever had poor judgement. Let's face ti, this could have happened to a LOT of NFL players. He WASNT charged with anything. Goodell put the fans through some crap with the suspension. Ben was used as the media's whipping boy. All I expect of my QB is to win, and he's already helped get us get 2 more Super Bowls.

Now hopefully the suspension will be less than 6, the O line will get better, people stay healthy, and we get our 7th!!

:tt04:

chacha
08-17-2010, 05:16 PM
Going the extra Mile ?...Oh, you mean like Bret Favre does :doh: Maybe the leagues BIGGEST Diva. Worst, work ethic QB in the league, ect, ect...but still is considered a GOD amonst the league officials, and Goodell ? Is that the kind of Extra Mile you are talking about! ?

ESPN was tracking Favres plane until it landed in MN today, it was ridiculous. The media is nuts and makes it's golden boys and trashes the others.

whatdoiknow
08-17-2010, 05:18 PM
ESPN was tracking Favres plane until it landed in MN today, it was ridiculous. The media is nuts and makes it's golden boys and trashes the others.



Worse then that, Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN ALL were following Favre's car live from the airport like he was freaking OJ Simpson...man,,,and Favre didn't even have to Kill anyone either :applaudit::applaudit::applaudit:

SteeleReign
08-17-2010, 05:24 PM
Going the extra Mile ?...Oh, you mean like Bret Favre does :doh: Maybe the leagues BIGGEST Diva. Worst, work ethic QB in the league, ect, ect...but still is considered a GOD amonst the league officials, and Goodell ? Is that the kind of Extra Mile you are talking about! ?

No, try to stick to the subjects at hand here....no one mentioned Favre or Goodell. If anything, Big Ben is cut from the same cloth as Favre - gunslinger mentality that plays hurt & with a ton of grit. Those are meant as compliments by the way.

But, maybe if Favre & Ben spent more time studying film they may throw fewer picks. Who knows?

cloppbeast
08-17-2010, 07:26 PM
Going the extra Mile ?...Oh, you mean like Bret Favre does :doh: Maybe the leagues BIGGEST Diva. Worst, work ethic QB in the league, ect, ect...but still is considered a GOD amonst the league officials, and Goodell ? Is that the kind of Extra Mile you are talking about! ?

You give me a headache. Is this how you have conversations in real life?

BURNSY
08-17-2010, 07:51 PM
LET IT GO ALREADY !!!!!!!! :banging:

SteeleReign
08-17-2010, 08:27 PM
LET IT GO ALREADY !!!!!!!! :banging:

You realize by responding you are keeping the thread alive, right? So, take your own advice by not getting involved.

BURNSY
08-17-2010, 08:31 PM
Some people are angry all the time I guess ???? :noidea:

SteeleReign
08-17-2010, 08:34 PM
Some people are angry all the time I guess ???? :noidea:

Who's angry? Not me. Is it you?

BURNSY
08-17-2010, 08:39 PM
Nope, not angry. I just cannot stand the back and forth that goes on in alot of threads/forums. People tend to get away from the real topic and start insulting one another. Its a shame, and takes away from the enjoyment of having the opportunity to share opinons (not insults) regarding any given topic.

Riddle_Of_Steel
08-17-2010, 08:39 PM
Reading through this thread, I am beginning to wonder if we as members of this forum, can vote tards like supa-fly-toolbag and whatdoiknow out of existence around here.

I remember not too long ago-- this forum used to be a good place to come get away from all the haters on public NFL forums like CBS and ESPN and just be able to have civil, considerate, intelligent conversation with other fellow Steeler fans....

Since these two chuckleheads have shown up on this forum, telling people to "go die" or blasting people for having a differing opinion than their own flawed ones, SF has becomes less like an internet forum and more like Bill O'Reilly's talk show circuit-- everyone trying to out-shout each other to get a point across and getting insulted in the process.

To be a member of this forum, there should be a requisite IQ test or a minimum age (it is quite clear that Supa-fly is just hitting puberty and his little boyish hormones are out of control) to be able to post on here....

I thought the original post was well-thought out, and pretty accurate. And in response, whatdoiknow demonstrated his screen name is in fact very appropriate and then started the usual flinging of personal insults and unnecessary bloodshed.

Please, supa-fly and whatdoiknow go invade some other forum-- we grow tired of your non-stop stupidity and childish aggressions and nobody around here really cares what you two boneheads have to say....

BURNSY
08-17-2010, 08:45 PM
x2 about the insults. That is exactly what I was talking about ! :applaudit:

stb_steeler
08-17-2010, 09:12 PM
ESPN was tracking Favres plane until it landed in MN today, it was ridiculous. The media is nuts and makes it's golden boys and trashes the others.

I agree with what Rod Woodson said today about the Favrea! drama. He lost respect with Brett 5 years ago, he should of retired when he was on top, but no he's still thinking one more championship. He doesn't listen to what his body is telling him. I agree this drama just goes on an on at the begining of every season. HEY media find somethin else to cover, i think were all sick of the drama queen!.

stb_steeler
08-17-2010, 09:16 PM
Reading through this thread, I am beginning to wonder if we as members of this forum, can vote tards like supa-fly-toolbag and whatdoiknow out of existence around here.

I remember not too long ago-- this forum used to be a good place to come get away from all the haters on public NFL forums like CBS and ESPN and just be able to have civil, considerate, intelligent conversation with other fellow Steeler fans....

Since these two chuckleheads have shown up on this forum, telling people to "go die" or blasting people for having a differing opinion than their own flawed ones, SF has becomes less like an internet forum and more like Bill O'Reilly's talk show circuit-- everyone trying to out-shout each other to get a point across and getting insulted in the process.

To be a member of this forum, there should be a requisite IQ test or a minimum age (it is quite clear that Supa-fly is just hitting puberty and his little boyish hormones are out of control) to be able to post on here....

I thought the original post was well-thought out, and pretty accurate. And in response, whatdoiknow demonstrated his screen name is in fact very appropriate and then started the usual flinging of personal insults and unnecessary bloodshed.

Please, supa-fly and whatdoiknow go invade some other forum-- we grow tired of your non-stop stupidity and childish aggressions and nobody around here really cares what you two boneheads have to say....

You might be able to put on ignore! :coffee:

SteeleReign
08-17-2010, 09:56 PM
Reading through this thread, I am beginning to wonder if we as members of this forum, can vote tards like supa-fly-toolbag and whatdoiknow out of existence around here.

I remember not too long ago-- this forum used to be a good place to come get away from all the haters on public NFL forums like CBS and ESPN and just be able to have civil, considerate, intelligent conversation with other fellow Steeler fans....

Since these two chuckleheads have shown up on this forum, telling people to "go die" or blasting people for having a differing opinion than their own flawed ones, SF has becomes less like an internet forum and more like Bill O'Reilly's talk show circuit-- everyone trying to out-shout each other to get a point across and getting insulted in the process.

To be a member of this forum, there should be a requisite IQ test or a minimum age (it is quite clear that Supa-fly is just hitting puberty and his little boyish hormones are out of control) to be able to post on here....

I thought the original post was well-thought out, and pretty accurate. And in response, whatdoiknow demonstrated his screen name is in fact very appropriate and then started the usual flinging of personal insults and unnecessary bloodshed.

Please, supa-fly and whatdoiknow go invade some other forum-- we grow tired of your non-stop stupidity and childish aggressions and nobody around here really cares what you two boneheads have to say....

Amen....Amen....Amen...Amen...Amen.....

wootawnee
08-17-2010, 10:38 PM
I dont think Ben put the fans through anything, unless they want to get on their high horses and pretend he's the only Steeler who's ever had poor judgement. Let's face ti, this could have happened to a LOT of NFL players. He WASNT charged with anything. Goodell put the fans through some crap with the suspension. Ben was used as the media's whipping boy. All I expect of my QB is to win, and he's already helped get us get 2 more Super Bowls.

Now hopefully the suspension will be less than 6, the O line will get better, people stay healthy, and we get our 7th!!

:tt04:

Right on.....

wootawnee
08-17-2010, 10:39 PM
ESPN was tracking Favres plane until it landed in MN today, it was ridiculous. The media is nuts and makes it's golden boys and trashes the others.

Bret is a Great guy and a hero to alot of people...........

wootawnee
08-17-2010, 10:41 PM
Reading through this thread, I am beginning to wonder if we as members of this forum, can vote tards like supa-fly-toolbag and whatdoiknow out of existence around here.

I remember not too long ago-- this forum used to be a good place to come get away from all the haters on public NFL forums like CBS and ESPN and just be able to have civil, considerate, intelligent conversation with other fellow Steeler fans....

Since these two chuckleheads have shown up on this forum, telling people to "go die" or blasting people for having a differing opinion than their own flawed ones, SF has becomes less like an internet forum and more like Bill O'Reilly's talk show circuit-- everyone trying to out-shout each other to get a point across and getting insulted in the process.

To be a member of this forum, there should be a requisite IQ test or a minimum age (it is quite clear that Supa-fly is just hitting puberty and his little boyish hormones are out of control) to be able to post on here....

I thought the original post was well-thought out, and pretty accurate. And in response, whatdoiknow demonstrated his screen name is in fact very appropriate and then started the usual flinging of personal insults and unnecessary bloodshed.

Please, supa-fly and whatdoiknow go invade some other forum-- we grow tired of your non-stop stupidity and childish aggressions and nobody around here really cares what you two boneheads have to say....

Right on.....Left off........

wootawnee
08-17-2010, 10:42 PM
I agree with what Rod Woodson said today about the Favrea! drama. He lost respect with Brett 5 years ago, he should of retired when he was on top, but no he's still thinking one more championship. He doesn't listen to what his body is telling him. I agree this drama just goes on an on at the begining of every season. HEY media find somethin else to cover, i think were all sick of the drama queen!.

Rod is with the Bungles.....Im over him at the moment......

SteeleReign
08-17-2010, 11:38 PM
Nope, not angry. I just cannot stand the back and forth that goes on in alot of threads/forums. People tend to get away from the real topic and start insulting one another. Its a shame, and takes away from the enjoyment of having the opportunity to share opinons (not insults) regarding any given topic.

Well, I surely agree with that. I joined this forum last year because it was filled with the best convo of any Steelers/Football site I could find. I don't know what happened since last year - hopefully all the others come back.

Griff
08-18-2010, 10:06 AM
I dont think Ben put the fans through anything, unless they want to get on their high horses and pretend he's the only Steeler who's ever had poor judgement. Let's face ti, this could have happened to a LOT of NFL players. He WASNT charged with anything. Goodell put the fans through some crap with the suspension. Ben was used as the media's whipping boy. All I expect of my QB is to win, and he's already helped get us get 2 more Super Bowls.

Now hopefully the suspension will be less than 6, the O line will get better, people stay healthy, and we get our 7th!!

:tt04:

I see your point on the fan part.

Goodell is doing what he thinks he has to to clean up a league that is in danger of killing the goose. I don't expect my qb to be a role model and could care less about autograph signings or talking to media, but thug stuff like discharging firearms in night clubs, rape, and murder that regular people would do time for are zero tolerance imho.

I'm 100% with yah on the O line and #7!

whatdoiknow
08-18-2010, 11:05 AM
To All:

People please, I am NOT trying to be Insulting, or antagonistic, I swear I'm not. Look, if I have been Insulting to some, it's because during a thread I was attacked first...okay, I know that is childish, and no excuse really. So for that, I AM sorry. As for differing points of view, yeah I believe Ben got a unfair shake from the league. I think his suspension was a result of Racial pressure put on Goodell to make a WHITE player an example, even if Ben was never charged. Let alone arrested, or even broght in to be questioned in either incident. And yes, I do believe that Dixon might be a better option for us as a QB, of course that is not a LOCK for me. I just think Dixon should get some chances with the first team offense. But if Dixon does struggle against 1st team defenses, and Leftwich gets a bit better, then I can live with Lefty. I mean it's not like I have any say in it anyways :-) Trust me my fellow steeler brothers..( And sisters )...I respect ALL Steeler fans. Believe me when I say I bleed " Black & Gold " as much as anyone. But to hear some of the comments on me, and comparing me with " Supa Fly ",,,I worry. Cause I don't WANT to be considered a total A-Hole by my fellow Steeler fans. So again I am sorry. And TRUST ME...I do appreciate, and DO respect all of your takes.


Have a good day everyone.

SteeleReign
08-18-2010, 02:17 PM
To All:

People please, I am NOT trying to be Insulting, or antagonistic, I swear I'm not. Look, if I have been Insulting to some, it's because during a thread I was attacked first...okay, I know that is childish, and no excuse really. So for that, I AM sorry. As for differing points of view, yeah I believe Ben got a unfair shake from the league. I think his suspension was a result of Racial pressure put on Goodell to make a WHITE player an example, even if Ben was never charged. Let alone arrested, or even broght in to be questioned in either incident. And yes, I do believe that Dixon might be a better option for us as a QB, of course that is not a LOCK for me. I just think Dixon should get some chances with the first team offense. But if Dixon does struggle against 1st team defenses, and Leftwich gets a bit better, then I can live with Lefty. I mean it's not like I have any say in it anyways :-) Trust me my fellow steeler brothers..( And sisters )...I respect ALL Steeler fans. Believe me when I say I bleed " Black & Gold " as much as anyone. But to hear some of the comments on me, and comparing me with " Supa Fly ",,,I worry. Cause I don't WANT to be considered a total A-Hole by my fellow Steeler fans. So again I am sorry. And TRUST ME...I do appreciate, and DO respect all of your takes.


Have a good day everyone.

Thanks & apology accepted. Now, let's get to some common ground. GO STEELERS!!!!!!! :tt03:

cloppbeast
08-18-2010, 03:43 PM
To All:

People please, I am NOT trying to be Insulting, or antagonistic, I swear I'm not. Look, if I have been Insulting to some, it's because during a thread I was attacked first...okay, I know that is childish, and no excuse really. So for that, I AM sorry. As for differing points of view, yeah I believe Ben got a unfair shake from the league. I think his suspension was a result of Racial pressure put on Goodell to make a WHITE player an example, even if Ben was never charged. Let alone arrested, or even broght in to be questioned in either incident. And yes, I do believe that Dixon might be a better option for us as a QB, of course that is not a LOCK for me. I just think Dixon should get some chances with the first team offense. But if Dixon does struggle against 1st team defenses, and Leftwich gets a bit better, then I can live with Lefty. I mean it's not like I have any say in it anyways :-) Trust me my fellow steeler brothers..( And sisters )...I respect ALL Steeler fans. Believe me when I say I bleed " Black & Gold " as much as anyone. But to hear some of the comments on me, and comparing me with " Supa Fly ",,,I worry. Cause I don't WANT to be considered a total A-Hole by my fellow Steeler fans. So again I am sorry. And TRUST ME...I do appreciate, and DO respect all of your takes.


Have a good day everyone.

Apology accepted. So let's just have some fun talking about the Steelers. That's what we're all here for, right?

BigRick
08-19-2010, 01:02 AM
I live in Indiana and believe me Manning and Big Ben shouldn't even be mentioned in the same article. The Steelers lose Ben sucks it up and goes on. The Colts lose and Manning cries about the offensive line or something else. Manning always has been and always be a choke artist! Don't care how many MVP awards he has!

cloppbeast
08-19-2010, 11:19 AM
The Colts lose and Manning cries about the offensive line or something else. Manning always has been and always be a choke artist!

I can't argue that Manning is more clutch than Ben.

Imo, though, Manning has always been a stand-up guy, one of the best people in the NFL. The lone instance you talk about, happened after he lost to the Steelers, and his comments were taken out of context and completely overblown by ESPN (go figure).

One of the reporters asked him about the number of sacks in the game and Peyton replied, "We had some protection problems". That was just stating the obvious. But, he never pinned it on anybody, he didn't mention any of his offensive lineman's names, or even his offensive line at all. So, how was he throwing his line under the bus?

This was just another example of ESPN stirring up some controversy, creating a story out of nothing. They were just giving Peyton the T.O. treatment. For that whole week, all they could talk about was how Peyton and the Colts lost , paying little attention and giving very little credit to the Steelers for winning. I guess that was just irrelevant. I even remember Jaws taking away credit from the Steelers for winning the SuperBowl when he said, "Well, we all know the Colts were the best team, anyway".

I'm rambling.

steeltheone
08-19-2010, 02:58 PM
Ben made his bed. Now he is paying the price. The NFL could not take this lightly. Serving, drinking with underage girls and acting above the law was enough to deserve his penalty.

I'm a huge fan of BR. I feel like the original poster of this thread. This will do nothing but benefit BR in his game and life, as well as the Steelers.

whatdoiknow
08-19-2010, 03:08 PM
Ben made his bed. Now he is paying the price. The NFL could not take this lightly. Serving, drinking with underage girls and acting above the law was enough to deserve his penalty.

I'm a huge fan of BR. I feel like the original poster of this thread. This will do nothing but benefit BR in his game and life, as well as the Steelers.





Serving, and drinking with underaged girls ? Hey son let me ask you something,,,have you ever heard of the phrase..." REASONABLE ASSUMPTION ?
Ben was in a club where ONLY people over the age of 21 are allowed in...another question Son,,,Ah,,,in the off-season,,,does Ben have a job as an ID Checker in this club ? Does Ben have a secret job with the ABC that we don't know about ? So then....how the HELL do you, or anyone else condem Ben for Buying drinks for a woman he absolutely 100 % had a right to ASSume that she WAS ..legally of Age ?


He did nothing wrong whatsoever in buying that girl drink after drink....Cause Ben is a FOOTBALL PLAYER!...and NOT a card-carrying member of " Dionne Wawick's Psychic friends network "...so HOW could he think anything other than that ***** was 21 ?



I thought so son!

SteeleReign
08-19-2010, 03:28 PM
Serving, and drinking with underaged girls ? Hey son let me ask you something,,,have you ever heard of the phrase..." REASONABLE ASSUMPTION ?
Ben was in a club where ONLY people over the age of 21 are allowed in...another question Son,,,Ah,,,in the off-season,,,does Ben have a job as an ID Checker in this club ? Does Ben have a secret job with the ABC that we don't know about ? So then....how the HELL do you, or anyone else condem Ben for Buying drinks for a woman he absolutely 100 % had a right to ASSume that she WAS ..legally of Age ?


He did nothing wrong whatsoever in buying that girl drink after drink....Cause Ben is a FOOTBALL PLAYER!...and NOT a card-carrying member of " Dionne Wawick's Psychic friends network "...so HOW could he think anything other than that ***** was 21 ?



I thought so son!

To All:

People please, I am NOT trying to be Insulting, or antagonistic, I swear I'm not. Look, if I have been Insulting to some, it's because during a thread I was attacked first...okay, I know that is childish, and no excuse really. So for that, I AM sorry. As for differing points of view, yeah I believe Ben got a unfair shake from the league. I think his suspension was a result of Racial pressure put on Goodell to make a WHITE player an example, even if Ben was never charged. Let alone arrested, or even broght in to be questioned in either incident. And yes, I do believe that Dixon might be a better option for us as a QB, of course that is not a LOCK for me. I just think Dixon should get some chances with the first team offense. But if Dixon does struggle against 1st team defenses, and Leftwich gets a bit better, then I can live with Lefty. I mean it's not like I have any say in it anyways :-) Trust me my fellow steeler brothers..( And sisters )...I respect ALL Steeler fans. Believe me when I say I bleed " Black & Gold " as much as anyone. But to hear some of the comments on me, and comparing me with " Supa Fly ",,,I worry. Cause I don't WANT to be considered a total A-Hole by my fellow Steeler fans. So again I am sorry. And TRUST ME...I do appreciate, and DO respect all of your takes.


Have a good day everyone.

^^^Your honor, may present exhibit #1 in the case against "whatdoiknow?"

Dude, relax on the Big Ben thing. Again, you are welcome to your opinion, but so are others. Calling a poster "son" multiple times in a message & speaking to them as though they are stupid is not respecting other's takes. You should learn to not take differing opinions so personally...the stress 'll kill ya...:thumbsup:

whatdoiknow
08-19-2010, 03:34 PM
^^^Your honor, may present exhibit #1 in the case against "whatdoiknow?"

Dude, relax on the Big Ben thing. Again, you are welcome to your opinion, but so are others. Calling a poster "son" multiple times in a message & speaking to them as though they are stupid is not respecting other's takes. You should learn to not take differing opinions so personally...the stress 'll kill ya...:thumbsup:



Hey Nancy Grace...He didn't state an opinion. He stated a FACT! A statement based onfalse information. So Nancy,,maybe a few more episodes of Law & Order are needed for you.

SteelCityMom
08-19-2010, 03:52 PM
Serving, and drinking with underaged girls ? Hey son let me ask you something,,,have you ever heard of the phrase..." REASONABLE ASSUMPTION ?
Ben was in a club where ONLY people over the age of 21 are allowed in...another question Son,,,Ah,,,in the off-season,,,does Ben have a job as an ID Checker in this club ? Does Ben have a secret job with the ABC that we don't know about ? So then....how the HELL do you, or anyone else condem Ben for Buying drinks for a woman he absolutely 100 % had a right to ASSume that she WAS ..legally of Age ?


He did nothing wrong whatsoever in buying that girl drink after drink....Cause Ben is a FOOTBALL PLAYER!...and NOT a card-carrying member of " Dionne Wawick's Psychic friends network "...so HOW could he think anything other than that ***** was 21 ?



I thought so son!

Ummm...actually, in GA people who are 18+ are admitted in bars. You don't have to be 21. But they do check ID's when serving.

You are correct though, Ben's offseason job is not bartending, nor is it bouncing at bars in GA. He's not the one that was responsible for checking a college girls ID to make sure she was ok to drink.

SteeleReign
08-19-2010, 03:58 PM
Hey Nancy Grace...He didn't state an opinion. He stated a FACT! A statement based onfalse information. So Nancy,,maybe a few more episodes of Law & Order are needed for you.

Wow...you really got yer panties in a wad...chill out. By the way, can you come up with a new schtick please? Nancy Grace & Dionne Warwick references are getting a tad lame...

whatdoiknow
08-19-2010, 04:03 PM
Ummm...actually, in GA people who are 18+ are admitted in bars. You don't have to be 21. But they do check ID's when serving.

You are correct though, Ben's offseason job is not bartending, nor is it bouncing at bars in GA. He's not the one that was responsible for checking a college girls ID to make sure she was ok to drink.



Let me correct you, in that GA town, there are several clubs that do allow 18 year olds into the club, but they ARE required to check their ID's. And if they are 18-20, they get a particular stamp on their wrists, as where anyone 21 and over get a different stamp. Then the Waitresses or Bartender use a RF scanner to check their stamp. This girl HAD a 21 and over stamp on her wrist. Now, I don't know how, or who gave her that stamp...but I can assure you it was NOT Ben. Also, in the Georgia report, the Waitress who was serving Ben's party at that club DID check the alledged victims wrist before serving her. So again I ask ANYONE who says Ben was wrongfully facilitating Alcohol to this girl...just how was he doing that when she HAD the proper stamp on her wrist ?



But to a " NAZI " like Goodell, why should the facts get in the way when appeasing the " Black " Caucus of America ?

SteelCityMom
08-19-2010, 04:11 PM
Let me correct you, in that GA town, there are several clubs that do allow 18 year olds into the club, but they ARE required to check their ID's. And if they are 18-20, they get a particular stamp on their wrists, as where anyone 21 and over get a different stamp. Then the Waitresses or Bartender use a RF scanner to check their stamp. This girl HAD a 21 and over stamp on her wrist. Now, I don't know how, or who gave her that stamp...but I can assure you it was NOT Ben. Also, in the Georgia report, the Waitress who was serving Ben's party at that club DID check the alledged victims wrist before serving her. So again I ask ANYONE who says Ben was wrongfully facilitating Alcohol to this girl...just how was he doing that when she HAD the proper stamp on her wrist ?



But to a " NAZI " like Goodell, why should the facts get in the way when appeasing the " Black " Caucus of America ?

Right...I knew they had some kind of system, just wasn't sure what it was. Agree with you on all the rest though. Even if they didn't have that kind of system in place...it would still be up to the bartender/owners to keep tabs on who's drinking when they allow under 21 individuals into the bar....not the patrons.

I think it's sad that there are a number of athletes getting arrested and pleading guilty to charges like DUI and assault, but aren't getting any kind of suspension. I'm not saying I don't think Ben didn't deserve some kind of punishment for acting like an idiot...but God-ell has been anything but fair and consistent.

SteeleReign
08-19-2010, 04:12 PM
But to a " NAZI " like Goodell, why should the facts get in the way when appeasing the " Black " Caucus of America ?

How do you expect anyone to respect you when you call people Nazis?"

whatdoiknow
08-19-2010, 04:22 PM
How do you expect anyone to respect you when you call people Nazis?"



What would you call him ?...I mean Goodell is the very definition of a Nazi! Not that he wants to KILL anyone. But apply his own version of justice that is NOT unilaterally.
That is what I meant, and I still do.


Zig Hail Roger!!

SteeleReign
08-19-2010, 04:28 PM
What would you call him ?...I mean Goodell is the very definition of a Nazi! Not that he wants to KILL anyone. But apply his own version of justice that is NOT unilaterally.
That is what I meant, and I still do.


Zig Hail Roger!!

it's "Heil" not "Hail"....but anyway....to compare Goodell to a Nazi in any way is ridiculous and shows your own immaturity. You seem well versed on the facts in the Roethlisberger situation, but I would suggest that Goodell has a much better handle on the facts in ALL situations where discipline is necessary.

And before you go on another tirade, spare me all the examples...I know them and have read them...

whatdoiknow
08-19-2010, 04:31 PM
Now YOU saying that comparing Goodell to a Nazi is ridiculous, that is an opinion, and you are entitled. But so am I. And trust me, the greater percentage of league fans would agree with me.

SteeleReign
08-19-2010, 04:36 PM
Now YOU saying that comparing Goodell to a Nazi is ridiculous, that is an opinion, and you are entitled. But so am I. And trust me, the greater percentage of league fans would agree with me.

If you believe that a large percentage of league fans are uneducated, bigoted, immature teenagers then I suppose you may be right. If that is true, then this country is in for a world of hurt.

I would suggest that, once again, you are wrong. Most league fans would NOT agree with you. Now, if you were to choose a term other than Nazi...say...jerk or moron....maybe you'd get some to agree.

My beef isn't with your obvious dislike of Goodell, it's with your use of the term "Nazi."

whatdoiknow
08-19-2010, 04:40 PM
First of all, I am not a teenager. In fact I was around when the actual Nazis were around..so there. Second, it is a term, a term of Goodell being a Dictator, if you like, how about Josef Stalin ?...does that work better for you ?

SteeleReign
08-19-2010, 05:11 PM
First of all, I am not a teenager. In fact I was around when the actual Nazis were around..so there. Second, it is a term, a term of Goodell being a Dictator, if you like, how about Josef Stalin ?...does that work better for you ?

Lol! You do realize that there are still "actual Nazis" around don't you? I'm not a betting man, but if I were I'd bet big cash that you're between 18-24.

You also claimed to have an IQ over 200, which I find interesting since you have a hard time discerning the inherent meaning of most of what is posted on these boards. Using a Nazi reference, or Stalin, or any murderous dictator to promote your opinion on Roger Goodell is beyond disrespectful. And it's sad that you can't understand that.

steeltheone
08-19-2010, 05:13 PM
Playing in the NFL is not a right, just as any job is not. Ben's police officer/ bodyguard from the Monroeville area lost his job. The Other bodyguard the Pa State Trooper is probably gonna lose his. So I suppose Mr. Goodalls penalty to BR is not so bad after all. Everything that went on there was wrong and they all knew it. They thought they were above the law. Those are facts!

SteeleReign
08-19-2010, 05:14 PM
Playing in the NFL is not a right, just as any job is not. Ben's police officer/ bodyguard from the Monroeville area lost his job. The Other bodyguard the Pa State Trooper is probably gonna loose his. So I suppose Mr. Goodalls penalty to BR is not so bad after all. Everything that went on there was wrong and they all knew it. They thought they were above the law. Those are facts!

Ooohhhh...you're gonna get lit up for this one....I'm sure you're scared...:toofunny:

chacha
08-20-2010, 09:55 AM
Playing in the NFL is not a right, just as any job is not. Ben's police officer/ bodyguard from the Monroeville area lost his job. The Other bodyguard the Pa State Trooper is probably gonna lose his. So I suppose Mr. Goodalls penalty to BR is not so bad after all. Everything that went on there was wrong and they all knew it. They thought they were above the law. Those are facts!

well you wrote the exact same thing on the other thread and I'll reply again, One cop quit right at the start, the other two are still working. The trooper even filed a grievance to be able to work for Ben again.