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SteelerzGirl
02-21-2006, 05:55 PM
Does anyone else think this is a bit excessive, or is it just me? :shake01:


http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/5329410

tony hipchest
02-21-2006, 06:22 PM
Does anyone else think this is a bit excessive, or is it just me? :shake01:


http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/5329410

only if rickey williams getting suspended for a year for his 4th failed drug test is excessive. i think if jj had really struggled at the 500 and it looked like losing knaus would hurt his chances of making it into the top 10 the suspension may have been lighter. after the way he preformed nascar probably figured losing him for 3 more races will probably not have hurt the team anyways. i dont know, nascar may have suspended him the same if jj blew up and finished 43rd but they do take care of the teams, especially the good ones.

knaus was just on sportscenter and says hes cool with it as long as nascar is consistant. and he understands his past infractions led to the severity of this suspension as well it should.

which begs the question, if you have the most $$$, best equipment, and what proved to be a race winning car, why cheat in the 1st place? :dang:

BB2W
02-21-2006, 06:34 PM
I think it may be a bit much, but it's not the first time he got caught. Cheating used to be a big part of NASCAR but they are really cracking down on the people that stretch the rules. It has been said that if you're not cheating then you're not trying to win. I imagine that is especially the case at restrictor plate races.

He'll be back soon enough, and I don't know how much him not being there actually hurts the team after Daytona.

tony hipchest
02-21-2006, 06:45 PM
nice new sig. bb2w. the #17 car definitely has the best color scheme!

i dont think knaus' absence will be felt. seeing how harvick and jj both won the week their crewchiefs were suspended im thinking l. carter shouldve been suspended to get rusty one final victory last year.

RoethlisBURGHer
02-21-2006, 06:47 PM
I think Knaus deserves this.If you cheat and get caught,you pay the consequences.

BB2W
02-21-2006, 07:14 PM
nice new sig. bb2w. the #17 car definitely has the best color scheme!
Thanks, that is actually one of the reasons why I started rooting for him... plus most of the power tools I use at work are Dewalt. Now, after a few years of watching him I just like him no matter what car he's in. I like the Carharrt car too, but I don't really care for the USG, Trex, or the RL Carriers car. I guess anything is better than the Waste Management car he somertimes drove in the past.

I actually always rooted for Rusty in the past, but as the end of his career was in sight I had to pick a younger driver.

Suitanim
02-21-2006, 07:27 PM
NASCAR is sending a message...

But I will say this. Daytona is one thing, the next 3 races will be entirely different. Daytona they had time, Knaus was around for most of Speed Weeks, and they pretty much had the car set to go.

They hit 3 cookie cutters in the next 3 weeks, and these are the kind of tracks that give teams fits. I think Knaus being gone will hurt the 48 team.

tony hipchest
02-21-2006, 07:38 PM
bb2w, ive heard thats the easiest way to get into nascar. immediately pick out 1 car or driver and focus on them. it worked for me and i was instantly hooked. first race that i watched 3 cars stood out to me. the all black #3. some rookie driver in a super bright rainbow looking car (. and the super cool other black car- mgd (which happened to be my favorite beer at the time and had the steelers colors) the choise was easy. to think how close i was to becomming an earnhardt or gordon fan *shivers*

and good point suit. jjs daytona car was pretty much set for several months. the team could pretty much fly on auto pilot. i think past success will help carry the team through california. as for the other 2 tracks, i just think if the team can lose their lead engine builder and not miss a beat, a 4 race suspension wont hurt too bad either. its kind of like sending t. stewart to the back of the field twice at daytona. sure it was a penalty but look how many times he has intentionally dropped to the back of the field at a restricor plate track, just to lay low, watch, and make a late race charge. kenseth said he shouldve atleast been penalized a lap but even that wouldnt have hurt stewart too much. he wouldve gotten the lucky dog and still finished 5th.

daleemnm
02-21-2006, 09:36 PM
They should've dropped points too. NASCAR is so inconsistent with their penalties.

Suitanim
02-21-2006, 09:47 PM
They should've dropped points too. NASCAR is so inconsistent with their penalties.

No need...I think by week 4 we'll see just how good of a crew chief Knaus is and how much they miss him.

tony hipchest
02-22-2006, 09:47 AM
They should've dropped points too. NASCAR is so inconsistent with their penalties.

aikmans and staubachs team and driver terry labonte were docked 25 points for an illegal carb on qualifying (the same day as the #48 team was busted) keeping in mind both teams raced the race with a clean car. its wierd how the points leader will not get bumped down in the standings but a brand new team desperately scraping for points gets bumped to the point where it could keep them out of future races.

nascar does take care of its own though. and its never been an easy path for newbies. however, i still dont get it.

http://www.sportsline.com/autoracing/story/9254485

SteelerzGirl
02-22-2006, 09:52 AM
They should've dropped points too. NASCAR is so inconsistent with their penalties.

Well how can NASCAR take away something from nothing? Jimmie had no points at the time of the infraction.

Here's what's bothering me about this entire thing... Why didn't NASCAR fine and suspend Knaus before the Daytona 500 (at the time of the infraction) for these additional three races? Why did they wait until AFTER Jimmie won the Daytona 500? Seems to me like they're punishing Jimmie for winning, and that's just not right. His car was inspected before and after the Daytona 500. No infractions. So what's the deal?

I hope Jimmie kicks butt this week, too, and shows them all! :bouncy:

tony hipchest
02-22-2006, 10:03 AM
Well how can NASCAR take away something from nothing? Jimmie had no points at the time of the infraction.

Here's what's bothering me about this entire thing... Why didn't NASCAR fine and suspend Knaus before the Daytona 500 (at the time of the infraction) for these additional three races? Why did they wait until AFTER Jimmie won the Daytona 500? Seems to me like they're punishing Jimmie for winning, and that's just not right. His car was inspected before and after the Daytona 500. No infractions. So what's the deal?

I hope Jimmie kicks butt this week, too, and shows them all! :bouncy:

as far as taking something from nothing.....that argument dont fly. terry labonte was docked 25 points. if a fine or point reduction his handed out it always comes from the points total from the race where the infraction occurred. if someone gets busted next week they will be penalized from their california points. it wouldnt be right to penalize and dock points earned in a daytona race for a california infraction.

knaus wasnt suspended before the daytona 500 because he then couldve appealed and been alowed to participate in race activities until the appeals process was through. nascar didnt want this so he was banned from the track. with the suspension to come after the race. jimmie is NOT being punished for winning. his team is being punished for cheating- plain and simple. even knaus agrees that being a multiple offender is what led to him missing 4 races.

SteelerzGirl
02-22-2006, 06:04 PM
as far as taking something from nothing.....that argument dont fly. terry labonte was docked 25 points. if a fine or point reduction his handed out it always comes from the points total from the race where the infraction occurred. if someone gets busted next week they will be penalized from their california points. it wouldnt be right to penalize and dock points earned in a daytona race for a california infraction.

knaus wasnt suspended before the daytona 500 because he then couldve appealed and been alowed to participate in race activities until the appeals process was through. nascar didnt want this so he was banned from the track. with the suspension to come after the race. jimmie is NOT being punished for winning. his team is being punished for cheating- plain and simple. even knaus agrees that being a multiple offender is what led to him missing 4 races.

Well, I still think the punishment is a bit excessive. And that's not just because it's Jimmie's team. I'd feel that way no matter what team it was. To be suspended for 3 additional races and be on probation for the rest of the year? That's a lot of dang races!

It's all good, though. It's me and Jimmie against the world. I BELIEVE! :bouncy:

tony hipchest
03-19-2006, 11:29 AM
changes on the horizon for the #48 team? this is a good article talking about how knaus suspension may have actually been advantageous.
http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/03/18/jjohnson.crew.chief.importance/index.html

i found this quote especially humerous:

Some say it may actually be an advantage having Knaus at home because he has more time to work ahead while other crew chiefs are focused on the race at hand.

"Well, he's got more time to cheat,'' joked seven-time Cup champion Richard Petty, who along with Pearson was one of the grand marshals for Saturday's Busch Series race.




b ut this was the quote that suprised me:

Johnson said there's no doubt his team has "hit on something'' during Knaus' suspension. Without elaborating, he said the structure would not return to the way it was with Knaus making most of the decisions when Knaus returns next weekend at Bristol Motor Speedway.

Johnson and interim crew chief Darian Grubb already have admitted that the race-day communication has been a lot calmer than it was with Knaus, who was more hands-on and excitable.

SteelerDan43
03-19-2006, 11:35 AM
I really thought it would hurt Jimmie but I was pleasantly proven wrong

SteelerzGirl
03-20-2006, 08:46 AM
And then, of course, there's the entire story, unedited...

Knaus suspension may change crew chief role
Team leaders could have better strategies if planning from home

HAMPTON, Ga. -- David Pearson laughed at the notion that the four-race suspension NASCAR gave crew chief Chad Knaus has been a harsh punishment for Jimmie Johnson's team.

"He sets that thing up at the shop before he leaves,'' said Pearson, who won three championships and 105 races from 1960-1986. "What they do at the shop, that's it. What else can they do? NASCAR tells them what to run, what gear, what shocks, what springs.

"I understand now they're telling them what tire pressure they've got to run.''

Johnson's results show the team hasn't suffered much since Knaus was sent home for rigging a device to raise the back window for an aerodynamic advantage during qualifying for the Daytona 500.

He has two wins and a second, and tops the Nextel Cup points standings heading into Sunday's Golden Corral 500 (rescheduled for 11 a.m. ET, FX) at Atlanta Motor Speedway.

Some say it may actually be an advantage having Knaus at home because he has more time to work ahead while other crew chiefs are focused on the race at hand.

"Well, he's got more time to cheat,'' joked seven-time Cup champion Richard Petty, who along with Pearson was one of the grand marshals for Saturday's Busch Series race.

All joking aside, Pearson and Petty agree that the role of a crew chief has changed to make that person arguably more valuable at the shop than at the track.

"Used to the crew chief did all the work,'' Petty said. "Now the crew chief is about half politician keeping all the people together, keeping all the sponsors together and doing all the technical things.''

Larry McReynolds, a former crew chief who is an analyst for FOX Sports' NASCAR coverage, said Johnson's success could be an argument for having a crew chief at the track and at home.

"This could open some people's eyes about how things need to be structured,'' he said. "I know three weeks in our sport isn't long-term. I would be very interested to see if what they've got going here would last long-term.''

Johnson said there's no doubt his team has "hit on something'' during Knaus' suspension. Without elaborating, he said the structure would not return to the way it was with Knaus making most of the decisions when Knaus returns next weekend at Bristol Motor Speedway.

Johnson and interim crew chief Darian Grubb already have admitted that the race-day communication has been a lot calmer than it was with Knaus, who was more hands-on and excitable.

"His goal is to come back and try to expand on what we've done,'' Johnson said. "It's been visible to everyone that the team is changing some and it's been some sort of a transformation.

"Chad came to me and said, 'Hey, the last thing I want to do is come in and mess up what's going on. So let's figure out how I can come back and keep this momentum rolling.'"

But Johnson said there's no plan that would exclude Knaus from being at the track to help with decisions, such as the ones made during a lengthy meeting following Saturday's practice in which Johnson was 25th-fastest.

"It's such a disadvantage to not have him that ultimately I wish he were here,'' Johnson said. "But we can't argue the fact that we're all stronger through this.''

Matt Borland, the crew chief for Ryan Newman, said there's probably something all teams can learn from this situation. He has no doubt he could put to good use time at the shop during a race weekend.

"When you're on the road all the time you're ready to crash by the time you get home, and the next thing you know you're going back for the next weekend,'' he said. "There's definitely advantages there, but there are disadvantages at the track.''

McReynolds said Johnson's success is more of a tribute to the depth of Hendrick Motorsports and to the organization Knaus has helped structure.

Most in the garage agree only the top 10 to 15 teams are deep enough to lose their crew chief and maintain the level of excellence Johnson's team has.

Jeff Burton, who will start third Sunday for Richard Childress Racing, isn't sure it's that high.

"There's four to five teams at the top of the heap that could win races if the guy stays at home,'' he said.

Tony Eury Jr., the crew chief for Dale Earnhardt Jr., said there never will be a structure where the crew chief stays at home regardless of the advantages.

"The sponsors and the team owner hires that one person to hold the responsibility to know what's going on with everything,'' he said. "In the same light, if I had to stay at home next weekend, I've got enough confidence in these guys to know it wouldn't bother us a bit.''

Eury Jr. agreed with Pearson that most of the important decisions are made before the team unloads.

"The guys that come here prepared, they're not sitting here working on their cars and fixing little problems,'' he said. "If your car is prepared when you get here the only thing you're doing is fine-tuning on the track.

"Ninety percent of the time what you come off the truck with is pretty much what you're going to have for the full weekend.''

Burton said it doesn't take a scientist to figure that out.

"Watch the first two to three laps of practice, see who's at the top of the board, and on Sunday afternoon those cars will be back at the top of the board,'' he said. "Because they unloaded that way. You don't unload 40th and work to first.

"It's a simple game.''

Todd Berrier, who was suspended for multiple races twice last season, would like to think the time he spent at home contributed to Kevin Harvick's win at Bristol.

"The racing is done at the shop,'' Berrier said. "Like it or not, you have what you have when you get here. ''

Buddy Baker, also one of the legendary grand marshals, said technology makes the role of the crew chief today less critical.

"A lot of the teams now have a staff of people back home that they feed information from practice to,'' he said. "They actually come up with a formula and send it back to the track.

"It's getting pretty tough to say because Chad Knaus was not in the garage area that he was not a part of the wins Jimmie Johnson has had. He's certainly an active player in the whole scheme of things.''

That doesn't mean Knaus is in constant communication with the team. Johnson said there's not time to get him on the phone or exchange e-mails when making changes during practice.

He said Knaus certainly doesn't have a live feed into his radio on Sunday.

"I'm pretty sure if he was on the radio communicating with us that would be a big problem [for NASCAR],'' Johnson said.

McReynolds reminded that missing the first four races -- Daytona, California, Las Vegas and Atlanta -- isn't nearly as big of a deal as missing four in the middle of the season because teams spent most of the offseason testing and preparing for them.

"If you had to handpick four races to miss, this may have been the optimum four,'' he said. "Their stuff was already laid out and prepared to go.

"We may never know the answer if this would work long-term, because Chad will be back next week at Bristol.''

http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/03/18/jjohnson.crew.chief.importance/index.html