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SteelCityKing
09-05-2010, 11:30 PM
i was asking myself this question the other day and figuredi'd do some research and share my findings with the group.

Hines Ward is ranked among ACTIVE PLAYERS:

1. Isaac Bruce (37) 15,208 1994-2009 2TM
2. Terrell Owens (36) 14,951 1996-2009 4TM
3. Randy Moss (32) 14,465 1998-2009 3TM
4. Torry Holt (33) 13,382 1999-2009 2TM
5. Tony Gonzalez (33) 11,807 1997-2009 2TM
6. Muhsin Muhammad (36) 11,438 1996-2009 2TM
7. Derrick Mason (35) 11,089 1997-2009 2TM
8. Hines Ward (33) 10,947 1998-2009 pit
9. Joey Galloway (38) 10,777 1995-2009 4TM
10. Chad Ochocinco (31) 9,952 2001-2009 cin
11. Reggie Wayne (31) 9,393 2001-2009 clt
12. Donald Driver (34) 9,050 1999-2009 gnb
13. Laveranues Coles (32) 8,609 2000-2009 3TM
14. Steve Smith (30) 8,330 2001-2009 car
15. Andre Johnson (28) 7,948 2003-2009 htx
16. Bobby Engram (36) 7,751 1996-2009 3TM
17. Anquan Boldin (29) 7,520 2003-2009 crd
18. Santana Moss (30) 7,443 2001-2009 2TM
19. Chris Chambers (31) 7,435 2001-2009 3TM
20. Larry Fitzgerald (26) 7,067 2004-2009 cr

Hines Ward is ranked among ALL-TIME players:

1. Jerry Rice+ 22,895 1985-2004 3TM
2. Isaac Bruce (37) 15,208 1994-2009 2TM
3. Terrell Owens (36) 14,951 1996-2009 4TM
4. Tim Brown 14,934 1988-2004 2TM
5. Marvin Harrison 14,580 1996-2008 clt
6. Randy Moss (32) 14,465 1998-2009 3TM
7. James Lofton+ 14,004 1978-1993 5TM
8. Cris Carter 13,899 1987-2002 3TM
9. Henry Ellard 13,777 1983-1998 3TM
10. Torry Holt (33) 13,382 1999-2009 2TM
11. Andre Reed 13,198 1985-2000 2TM
12. Steve Largent+ 13,089 1976-1989 sea
13. Irving Fryar 12,785 1984-2000 4TM
14. Art Monk+ 12,721 1980-1995 3TM
15. Jimmy Smith 12,287 1992-2005 2TM
16. Charlie Joiner+ 12,146 1969-1986 3TM
17. Michael Irvin+ 11,904 1988-1999 dal
18. Don Maynard+ 11,834 1958-1973 3TM
19. Tony Gonzalez (33) 11,807 1997-2009 2TM
20. Muhsin Muhammad (36) 11,438 1996-2009 2TM
21. Rod Smith 11,389 1995-2006 den
22. Keenan McCardell 11,373 1992-2007 5TM
23. Derrick Mason (35) 11,089 1997-2009 2TM
24. Hines Ward (33) 10,947 1998-2009 pit
25. Gary Clark 10,856 1985-1995 3TM
26. Joey Galloway (38) 10,777 1995-2009 4TM
27. Stanley Morgan 10,716 1977-1990 2TM
28. Keyshawn Johnson 10,571 1996-2006 4TM
29. Harold Jackson 10,372 1968-1983 5TM
30. Lance Alworth+ 10,266 1962-1972 2TM

i love these numbers and rankings. can we say Hall of Fame?

i would love it if he would surpass Derrick Mason this year. a little bittersweet. =)

StainlessStill
09-06-2010, 12:00 AM
i was asking myself this question the other day and figuredi'd do some research and share my findings with the group.

Hines Ward is ranked among ACTIVE PLAYERS:

1. Isaac Bruce (37) 15,208 1994-2009 2TM
2. Terrell Owens (36) 14,951 1996-2009 4TM
3. Randy Moss (32) 14,465 1998-2009 3TM
4. Torry Holt (33) 13,382 1999-2009 2TM
5. Tony Gonzalez (33) 11,807 1997-2009 2TM
6. Muhsin Muhammad (36) 11,438 1996-2009 2TM
7. Derrick Mason (35) 11,089 1997-2009 2TM
8. Hines Ward (33) 10,947 1998-2009 pit
9. Joey Galloway (38) 10,777 1995-2009 4TM
10. Chad Ochocinco (31) 9,952 2001-2009 cin
11. Reggie Wayne (31) 9,393 2001-2009 clt
12. Donald Driver (34) 9,050 1999-2009 gnb
13. Laveranues Coles (32) 8,609 2000-2009 3TM
14. Steve Smith (30) 8,330 2001-2009 car
15. Andre Johnson (28) 7,948 2003-2009 htx
16. Bobby Engram (36) 7,751 1996-2009 3TM
17. Anquan Boldin (29) 7,520 2003-2009 crd
18. Santana Moss (30) 7,443 2001-2009 2TM
19. Chris Chambers (31) 7,435 2001-2009 3TM
20. Larry Fitzgerald (26) 7,067 2004-2009 cr

Hines Ward is ranked among ALL-TIME players:

1. Jerry Rice+ 22,895 1985-2004 3TM
2. Isaac Bruce (37) 15,208 1994-2009 2TM
3. Terrell Owens (36) 14,951 1996-2009 4TM
4. Tim Brown 14,934 1988-2004 2TM
5. Marvin Harrison 14,580 1996-2008 clt
6. Randy Moss (32) 14,465 1998-2009 3TM
7. James Lofton+ 14,004 1978-1993 5TM
8. Cris Carter 13,899 1987-2002 3TM
9. Henry Ellard 13,777 1983-1998 3TM
10. Torry Holt (33) 13,382 1999-2009 2TM
11. Andre Reed 13,198 1985-2000 2TM
12. Steve Largent+ 13,089 1976-1989 sea
13. Irving Fryar 12,785 1984-2000 4TM
14. Art Monk+ 12,721 1980-1995 3TM
15. Jimmy Smith 12,287 1992-2005 2TM
16. Charlie Joiner+ 12,146 1969-1986 3TM
17. Michael Irvin+ 11,904 1988-1999 dal
18. Don Maynard+ 11,834 1958-1973 3TM
19. Tony Gonzalez (33) 11,807 1997-2009 2TM
20. Muhsin Muhammad (36) 11,438 1996-2009 2TM
21. Rod Smith 11,389 1995-2006 den
22. Keenan McCardell 11,373 1992-2007 5TM
23. Derrick Mason (35) 11,089 1997-2009 2TM
24. Hines Ward (33) 10,947 1998-2009 pit
25. Gary Clark 10,856 1985-1995 3TM
26. Joey Galloway (38) 10,777 1995-2009 4TM
27. Stanley Morgan 10,716 1977-1990 2TM
28. Keyshawn Johnson 10,571 1996-2006 4TM
29. Harold Jackson 10,372 1968-1983 5TM
30. Lance Alworth+ 10,266 1962-1972 2TM

i love these numbers and rankings. can we say Hall of Fame?

i would love it if he would surpass Derrick Mason this year. a little bittersweet. =)

Awesome post dude, kudos to you. I have argued with so many people, esp a New England dope and bonehead who argued that Hines is nowhere near H.O.F status. Judging by longevity alone, and the kind of numbers and bone crushing hits he's been known for in our system, he certainly deserves to rank amongst the H.O.F candidates.

He holds many Steelers receiving records givin the circumstance he has played in, including playing on a team who's most of its existence was described as a run first and run often team, playing with multiple coordinators who threw QB's around like rag-dolls until Roethlisberger came, and playing on a mucky surface like Heinz Field all those years that certainly effects a receivers route game as well as footing and what not, something guys like Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce didn't have to worry about. Also, givin' the nature of our team and how we went about our business of gameplan, by the time we had the lead in the second half of games throughout his entire career, we tended to use a clock-able manage approach to running the football to protect a lead, which limited chances for Hines to pile numbers of dynamic that comes with being a wide receiver in the league.

Those numbers provided certainly is as impressive as it comes since Hines really doesn't have that knack of being known for a dominant receivers amongst numbers, but yet quietly and soundly goes about his business year in and year out. A H.O.F'er in my book, NO QUESTION.

SteelCityMom
09-06-2010, 12:13 AM
Thanks digging up all those stats! Quite impressive for sure. He might not be flashy like Moss or Fitzgerald, but he is DEFINITELY going to be a HOFer someday.

Fire Arians
09-06-2010, 01:38 AM
one more thousand yard season and he passed michael the crackhead irvin

Wallace108
09-06-2010, 02:51 AM
I've heard people debate about whether Ward should be in the Hall of Fame. For me, it's a no-brainer. He's not a first-ballot HOFer, but he deserves to be in. He's the most prolific receiver in Steelers history.

SteelKnight
09-06-2010, 03:14 AM
Thanks digging up all those stats! Quite impressive for sure. He might not be flashy like Moss or Fitzgerald, but he is DEFINITELY going to be a HOFer someday.

Yeah I believe he will be HOF someday. Another SB and another Pro-Bowl would help speed the process. Right now I don't think he is necessarily first ballot. Those numbers just show his longevity. There are some on that list that are...eh...just played many seasons.

Not only is he not as flashy as Moss or Fitzgerald, he is not as good as them. Those are tier 1 HOF receivers. Ward is a tier 2 HOF dependable possession receiver. He and Moss started at the same time: compare numbers.

Even though Hines time after time has come through with great catches to save the day, his catches alone will not speed him into the HOF. What will get him there is he is known as perhaps the greatest blocking WR in the game today. That will be considered and can't be measured with stats.

...but again...another Probowl and another Superbowl win would speed the process...especially if he can make a meaningful Superbowl touchdown.

SteelKnight
09-06-2010, 03:17 AM
one more thousand yard season and he passed michael the crackhead irvin

But no doubt about it, Irvin was a more dominant receiver. He is tier 1. Irvin was never relegated to short-medium passes only. He could always go deep.

I looked at Irvin's stats. I thought he had more TDs. He was productive though, could catch the deep ball and always went against the top CB. His YPG is like 20 more than Ward's.

Ward was surprisingly quiet during Superbowl 43. After the one big catch he had in the first quarter (38 yards), he only caught one ball for 5 yards. Had he had a big Superbowl 43, that would have cemented him. Irvin has at least 5 catches in each of his 3 SBs and he has 2 TDs.

SacknificentStew56
09-06-2010, 07:51 AM
Hines has an impressive resume and will be in the Hall. Nice post!!

Downbylaw
09-06-2010, 08:15 AM
Art Monk had better stats and just as many rings. Look how long it took him to get in. AND he had three rings.

joeyssteelcurtain
09-06-2010, 08:51 AM
And 2 superbowls and a superbowl mvp helps

Downbylaw
09-06-2010, 09:26 AM
Monk has better stats and more rings. Knock it off

SuzyPeppercorn
09-06-2010, 10:36 AM
Don't forget Hines was injured in the AFCCG before superbowl 43 with a significant knee injury. Him coming out with the big catch at the start of the superbowl made the cardinals forget that Hines was less than 100%.

Downbylaw
09-06-2010, 10:44 AM
Don't forget Hines was injured in the AFCCG before superbowl 43 with a significant knee injury. Him coming out with the big catch at the start of the superbowl made the cardinals forget that Hines was less than 100%.

Good point Suzy. And Hines has to get some votes for his BLOCKS!!

HI ED REED :wave:
BAM!!!!

cloppbeast
09-06-2010, 11:33 AM
Forget the stats. Colin Calherd asks, "Can the story of football be told without him?". If the answer is no, that player deserves to be in the Hall of Fame; if the answer is yes, then he doesn't.

One definitely cannot tell the story of the Pittsburgh Steelers without Hines Ward, and I don't think one can tell the story of football without him either. He'll be on the first ballot, but if not, they can go to hell.

FogOnTheMon
09-06-2010, 11:43 AM
Was surprised to read Ward was younger than T.O. That may be true, but he's light years ahead of him in maturity.

stb_steeler
09-06-2010, 12:20 PM
No problem, Hines will get in. But i doubt anyone will ever catch Rice!

steeltheone
09-06-2010, 12:35 PM
First Ballot easy in my mind!

Corey120120
09-06-2010, 12:53 PM
He can catch the ball, thats all that matters in my eyes. If he doesnt get into the hall of fame, Ill still remeber him as one of the best

Busforever
09-06-2010, 06:33 PM
His stats are great, but I think Hines will be a HoF due to his blocks and his unique style of play, with linebacker mentality. Ward is the toughest WR i've ever seen, and he's playing like that since 12 years... NFL officials created a new rule to protect poor little linebackers against devastating blocks by Hines. Yes, he forced the NFL to rewrite its rules. He created history.

And he is all smiles. Sometimes you can see his ferocious face, in the middle of a key drive to come back in a game. Sometimes you can see him cry. He shows what a true "passion for the game" really means.

He is the only one receiver who shows how to play the game of football, and not to just make some good catches.

pancake
09-06-2010, 11:54 PM
First Ballot easy in my mind!

I don't think he gets in first ballot, but he would if I was voting! :thumbsup:

Curtain_of_Steel
09-07-2010, 10:58 AM
The hall isn't just about stats as some who are sitting on the sidelines still argue why this player or that player isn't in.

Its also contribution to the game. Was this player a "game changer"? What did teams fear or have to do to adjust to his play?

Ward changed the game with his superb blocking, rules were made to circumvent his vicious hits.

Add to more 1k plus seasons in yardage and he is about 13500 plus his blocking/game changing tactics. He will get in around 3rd try at the latest. unless he plays 3 more top performing years. Who knows.

If he stays healthy this year, I think he can have a big year

SteelKnight
09-08-2010, 04:19 PM
Don't forget Hines was injured in the AFCCG before superbowl 43 with a significant knee injury. Him coming out with the big catch at the start of the superbowl made the cardinals forget that Hines was less than 100%.

I did forget about the injury but if I forgot as a Steeler fan, what makes you think the voters will remember or even care to take this into account? They won't. Nobody cares about that stuff.

SteelKnight
09-08-2010, 04:22 PM
Forget the stats. Colin Calherd asks, "Can the story of football be told without him?". If the answer is no, that player deserves to be in the Hall of Fame; if the answer is yes, then he doesn't.

One definitely cannot tell the story of the Pittsburgh Steelers without Hines Ward, and I don't think one can tell the story of football without him either. He'll be on the first ballot, but if not, they can go to hell.

Excellent post. The only part where I'll disagree is 1st ballot if he ends his career now. Maybe 2nd or 3rd. Michael Irvin had to wait until the third.

If he can go to one more Superbowl and have a TD catch there or at least make one more Probowl, it think that would help. He's a HOF though...I agree.

SteelCityKing
09-08-2010, 06:07 PM
i started this debate a LONG time ago...and on this site whether TO or Hines would be Hall of Fame bound first. the numbers put TO in there, but i think Hines is in first due to his tenure and records for his team. i would LOVE to see that. like Bettis next year. i want to see Franco introduce Bettis AND get his number retired.

IF Hines would make it into Hall of Fame, would he get his number retired? be the next Ernie Stautner?

SteelKnight
09-08-2010, 06:22 PM
i started this debate a LONG time ago...and on this site whether TO or Hines would be Hall of Fame bound first. the numbers put TO in there, but i think Hines is in first due to his tenure and records for his team. i would LOVE to see that. like Bettis next year. i want to see Franco introduce Bettis AND get his number retired.

IF Hines would make it into Hall of Fame, would he get his number retired? be the next Ernie Stautner?

I don't believe in retiring numbers because we have too many greats. We would have to retire 20% of our available numbers. Once you start retiring some, others will get jealous.