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Livinginthe past
02-26-2006, 05:00 PM
Its the off-season - the official time of unofficial rankings.

Thought i'd start with the most important position - Quarterback.

1. Tom Brady - I dont think that there can be much doubt that TB is the standard bearing QB in the NFL at this time. Spent most of this season keeping his team afloat with the Patriots having alot of problems running the ball - (24th rated running attack) and keeping the ball out their endzone, especially through the air ( 31st ranked pass D).

Led his team to the playoffs, where he improved his playoff record to a phenomonal 10-0 before succumbing to his first mediocre post season performance against the the Broncos (20/36 341yds 1TD/ 1INT) - but if the truth be told the problem lay more with his butter-fingered teammates who coughed the ball up 3 times at crucial moments.

2. Ben Roethlisberger - A couple of games out injured showed the doubters just how important Big Ben is to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Flourished under a more pass oriented offense this year - putting up some decent numbers in the regular season.
However, the post-season is where Ben finally made his step up to the 'Elite' category of NFL QB's -

- Shredding the Bengals for 3TD's and 208yds for a 148.7 passer rating
- Making the key throws in the Indy dome to the tune of 2TD/s and 197 yds
- Putting the highly rated Denver D to the sword for 275yds and 2 TD (rating 124.9)

His one weak passing game came in the SB - but its a team game - and his team owed him a few big plays from previous rounds.

3. Jake Delhomme - A reputation for inconsistency has always plagued Jake - but the facts remain - this guy plays his best ball in the playoffs. A superb Carolina SB comeback was engineered by his pin point deep throws and kept his previously out-matched team in the game until the dying seconds.

4. Carson Palmer - Already one of the best pure passers in the game. Plenty of help from a loaded offensive unit - from the outstanding O-Line, to the RB's and WR's. But Palmer, in his short career, has been force to play with a pretty poor Defensive unit - most games ending in shootouts. If he can make a full recovery from his knee injury I expect to see the Bengals continue to progress to the big game over the next couple of years.

5. Peyton Manning - Copybook passing mechanics. When not put under pressure Peyton is arguably the most dangerous QB in the NFL. However, has found the playoffs a step too far all of his professional career - specialises in routs but finds it tough if he is knocked out of 'Plan A' - a common occurence for QB's in the post season.

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I'd like to hear who everyone else has as their Top5 current NFL QB's and maybe a little bit about why you rate them highly.

Regards

NM

LambertIsGod58
02-26-2006, 05:30 PM
I love Ben, don't get me wrong. But, I don't think he's 2nd best in the league.


1) Peyton Manning

2) Carson Palmer

3) Tom Brady

4) Matt Hasselbeck

5) Drew Brees

CantStop85
02-26-2006, 06:08 PM
I love Ben, don't get me wrong. But, I don't think he's 2nd best in the league.


1) Peyton Manning

2) Carson Palmer

3) Tom Brady

4) Matt Hasselbeck

5) Drew Brees
Ew...this is tough

1) Peyton Manning
2) Tom Brady
3) Carson Palmer
4) Ben Roethlisberger
5) Drew Brees

boLT fan
02-26-2006, 06:53 PM
1. Tom Brady

2. Carson Palmer

3. Peyton Manning

4. Drew Brees

5. Matt Hassleback

In most people's top five and he still wont' get resigned. Amazing.

3 to be 4
02-26-2006, 08:39 PM
LITP, i cant argue with a thing you said!

SteelCurtain
02-26-2006, 10:36 PM
1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Carson Palmer
4. Matt Hasselbeck
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Drew Brees

But the one quarterback that I would love to have had on our team in his prime, Brett Favre.

Livinginthe past
02-26-2006, 10:53 PM
I appreciate the Steelers fans here not being homers and putting Ben R at No.1.

Drew Brees has a big contender for top 5 duty - but ultimately results and post-season play have to be factored into the equation.

Looks like he wont be achieving any of these goals at San Diego, which I feel is a shame given the amount of talent he had at his disposal there.

NM

Milkman
02-27-2006, 06:32 AM
1 - Joey Harrington
2 - Jeff Garcia
3 - Josh McCown
4 - Koy Detmer
5 - Kyle Boller

:eyecrazy:

BB2W
02-27-2006, 11:20 AM
1. Tom Brady - (he's just the best)
2. Peyton Manning - (great passer and feild general)
3. Carson Palmer - (great accuracy, and a great deep ball)
4. Ben Roethlisberger - (he just wins baby)
5. Trent Green - (quietly puts up great numbers year after year)

clevestinks
02-27-2006, 12:15 PM
Ben might not be No.1, but he wins football games. Base it on that alone, and he is in the top 5

boLT fan
02-27-2006, 03:43 PM
I appreciate the Steelers fans here not being homers and putting Ben R at No.1.

Drew Brees has a big contender for top 5 duty - but ultimately results and post-season play have to be factored into the equation.

Looks like he wont be achieving any of these goals at San Diego, which I feel is a shame given the amount of talent he had at his disposal there.

NM

I know this isn't a Brees thread, so i'll just make this my only post on the matter, but I think it has to be said.

I don't really see the "weapons" we have in the passing game. Well, we have Gates and LT. And we also have.. uh.. um.. yaaa.. We don't exactly have the greatest recieving core or Line in the world. Given the lack of recievers and o-line I think Brees did amazing in the past 2 years.

And as for post season play:

D. Brees 31/42 319yds 2TD's 1INT's

The only intereception was one that shoudl've been caught.

Livinginthe past
02-27-2006, 04:20 PM
I know this isn't a Brees thread, so i'll just make this my only post on the matter, but I think it has to be said.

I don't really see the "weapons" we have in the passing game. Well, we have Gates and LT. And we also have.. uh.. um.. yaaa.. We don't exactly have the greatest recieving core or Line in the world. Given the lack of recievers and o-line I think Brees did amazing in the past 2 years.

And as for post season play:

D. Brees 31/42 319yds 2TD's 1INT's

The only intereception was one that shoudl've been caught.

Hey Boltfan,

It was a tough call.

I really think having the best Tight End in the game and the best RB in the game aswell constitutes some serious weaponry.

Admittedly the WR corps isn't star-studded but then every team has a weakness in some area - thats the salary cap era for you!

Im terms of purely winning games the Bolts would be most peoples picks as 'most underachieving team in the NFL' - they now have plenty of balance on the Defensive side of the ball aswell and they should be doing better.

Maybe its a little unfair to saddle the QB with most of the blame for not reaching the playoffs (especially when his coach has a brand of completely ineffective postseason football named after him!) - but when things go right for a team...the QB normally picks up alot of the plaudits.

If its any consolation - Brees was at No.6 - I wish him well for the new season.

Incidentally, I think Rivers can certainly get the Bolts into the playoffs this year, especially if the D continues to mature as quickly as it has been.

NM

Suitanim
02-27-2006, 07:45 PM
Why must we suffer through this exercise in fulitity? LITP will post the list of best kickers in the NFL next, and, guess what? The Pats kicker will be #1. He'll then pick some other category and arbitrarily decree whatever Pats players at that position the best player.

This guy is a one trick pony who doesn't even get to watch most NFL games. Besides, who cares? The most important thing on all the teams radar is free agency and the draft.

Put this post in the forum for QB's who choked in the big game against Denver in the play-offs.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
02-27-2006, 09:29 PM
1. Tom Brady
2. Carson Palmer
3. Payton Manning
4. Big Ben
5. Daunte Culpepper...he will return and play at a high level...

Livinginthe past
02-28-2006, 12:32 AM
Why must we suffer through this exercise in fulitity? LITP will post the list of best kickers in the NFL next, and, guess what? The Pats kicker will be #1. He'll then pick some other category and arbitrarily decree whatever Pats players at that position the best player.

This guy is a one trick pony who doesn't even get to watch most NFL games. Besides, who cares? The most important thing on all the teams radar is free agency and the draft.

Put this post in the forum for QB's who choked in the big game against Denver in the play-offs.

Oh so bitter - there you go telling everyone what they should be doing again.

FYI, I plan on doing most positions - it just so happens that QB is the most important position - and that alot of people think Tom Brady is the best at this position.

You are just making yourself look even more petty and ridiculous than usual.

NM

Livinginthe past
02-28-2006, 12:35 AM
1. Tom Brady
2. Carson Palmer
3. Payton Manning
4. Big Ben
5. Daunte Culpepper...he will return and play at a high level...

Where do you see Culpepper playing next year BBFW?

Minnesota is a little like the San Diego of the NFC - alot of talent on both sides of the ball, plenty of cap room - yet thay cant get into the playoffs.

Has to be coaching I suppose.

NM

hardwork
02-28-2006, 11:46 AM
Why must we suffer through this exercise in fulitity? LITP will post the list of best kickers in the NFL next, and, guess what? The Pats kicker will be #1. He'll then pick some other category and arbitrarily decree whatever Pats players at that position the best player.

This guy is a one trick pony who doesn't even get to watch most NFL games. Besides, who cares? The most important thing on all the teams radar is free agency and the draft.

Put this post in the forum for QB's who choked in the big game against Denver in the play-offs.



The Steelers finally have a QB. The Steelers finally break their long drought, 25 years, and win a Super Bowl. But this guy won't give a poster, in the NFL section, a break. Sure the original post had a little braggadochio in it. Sure we're proud of Tom Brady. So what suit? You got the brass ring this year.

RoethlisBURGHer
02-28-2006, 03:52 PM
1. Tom Brady (he doesn't need a damn running game to put up numbers)
2. Ben Roethlisberger (Good numbers,and all he seems to do is win)
3. Carson Palmer (Excellent touch and deep ball,and is more elusive than people think)
4. Peyton Manning (Good when given time to pass,but can't create time to save his life)
5. Trent Green (Why the hell doesn't this guy get more press?Only when they lose do we hear about him)

BTW,I got Brees as #6.

3 to be 4
02-28-2006, 08:08 PM
Why must we suffer through this exercise in fulitity? LITP will post the list of best kickers in the NFL next, and, guess what? The Pats kicker will be #1. He'll then pick some other category and arbitrarily decree whatever Pats players at that position the best player.

This guy is a one trick pony who doesn't even get to watch most NFL games. Besides, who cares? The most important thing on all the teams radar is free agency and the draft.

Put this post in the forum for QB's who choked in the big game against Denver in the play-offs.


Top MLB's in the NFL.
1. Tedy Bruschi :bouncy:
2. Tedy Bruschi :bouncy:
3. Tedy Bruschi :bouncy:
4. Tedy Bruschi :bouncy:
5. Mike Vrabel :bouncy:

BlitzburghRockCity
02-28-2006, 08:49 PM
Ben might not be No.1, but he wins football games. Base it on that alone, and he is in the top 5

Yep, you cant argue with his QB rating since he's been in the league, his playoff record or his regular season record. Its unmatched for a guy just 2 years into his career.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
02-28-2006, 08:56 PM
Where do you see Culpepper playing next year BBFW?

Minnesota is a little like the San Diego of the NFC - alot of talent on both sides of the ball, plenty of cap room - yet thay cant get into the playoffs.

Has to be coaching I suppose.

NM
I would like to see him move to Miami, My brother in law is a dolphins fan, and they are deffiently lacking there, however, i dont see minn. letting culpepper go. He had a bad season/ injured and plenty of off the field issues...but his talent is there. hes young and a winner

Livinginthe past
02-28-2006, 10:39 PM
Top MLB's in the NFL.
1. Tedy Bruschi :bouncy:
2. Tedy Bruschi :bouncy:
3. Tedy Bruschi :bouncy:
4. Tedy Bruschi :bouncy:
5. Mike Vrabel :bouncy:

Damn I had Tedy down at No.5 aswell....Vrabel gets consideration as best TE in the game. :sofunny:

NM

hardwork
02-28-2006, 11:31 PM
Damn I had Tedy down at No.5 aswell....Vrabel gets consideration as best TE in the game. :sofunny:

NM

I always liked Vrabel, but after the way he took to the inside position last year, I love him. He's all go, no show, just like Bruschi.

Livinginthe past
02-28-2006, 11:48 PM
I always liked Vrabel, but after the way he took to the inside position last year, I love him. He's all go, no show, just like Bruschi.

That has to help with the LB rotation next year knowing that Mike V. can excel at both positions.

I'd like to see us pick someone like Abdul Hodge (ILB) up in the 2nd round and maybe Daryll Tapp (DE/OLB Tweener) late in the 3rd.

It would be nice to inject some youth into this outstanding LB corps - so the older guys have a year or two to show the younger players hows its done.

NM

augustashark
02-28-2006, 11:48 PM
I would like to see him move to Miami, My brother in law is a dolphins fan, and they are deffiently lacking there, however, i dont see minn. letting culpepper go. He had a bad season/ injured and plenty of off the field issues...but his talent is there. hes young and a winner


My $$ is on Brees going to Miami.

Suitanim
03-01-2006, 05:04 PM
And Culpepper is staying in Minnesota. Bank it.

I think Brees in Miami is a distinct possibility, but that spells big trouble for two teams; the Pats and the Bolts. Phillip Rivers is gonna be another bust in the mold of Ryan Leaf, and Miami is a decent QB away from owning the AFC East, and Brees is better than decent.