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SteelKnight
09-17-2010, 09:32 PM
I was annoed to read that Urbik picked up center and now says he can play all interior positions.

The main reason he was shipped was because he couldn't beat out Kemo, Essex or Foster at guard and we needed a back up center.

Had he volunteered to learn center earlier, he could have competed ead to head with Legursky to see which one was better. Without the center skills, Legursky (even at 6'1) was the obvious choice.

I don't like Legursky's playing so too bad Urbik couldn't step up.

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-3/OL-Urbik-settling-in/8bddb928-eb46-4a00-9140-002e5cf43d72

figg
09-17-2010, 09:36 PM
Legursky is a much better player. I wouldnt mind him starting at RG.

finesward
09-17-2010, 09:47 PM
We get the bills reject who will be starting this week, bills get our reject who is fighting for a spot on the worst line in the nfl. don't know how to think about all of this :noidea:

SteelKnight
09-17-2010, 09:50 PM
Legursky is a much better player. I wouldnt mind him starting at RG.

IDK about that. At center he sucks though. I remember the preseason games where the interior of the line was just getting blown apart wen he was in there. he was no better than Hartwig. I wonder who was a better guard. I think Legursky got the nod because of his center playing capabilities.

figg
09-17-2010, 10:32 PM
IDK about that. At center he sucks though. I remember the preseason games where the interior of the line was just getting blown apart wen he was in there. he was no better than Hartwig. I wonder who was a better guard. I think Legursky got the nod because of his center playing capabilities.

I have to say I disagree with you. He was pretty solid at both positions.

Tone's Toes
09-17-2010, 11:59 PM
Urbik played a lot of center in camp and in preseason. It's not a new thing. He played LG, C, RG in preseason and did well at all 3. The Steelers told him he was good enough, but letting him go was just the unfortunate part of the business. You can't keep everybody. I think his slow start last year is why he's not here. The coaches had to go with other guys like Foster and Legursky since Urbik wasn't ready and by the time Urbik was ready this year the coaches had developed more of a trust in Foster and Legursky because of last year.

Here's an update on Urbik from Buffalo's site.

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-3/OL-Urbik-settling-in/8bddb928-eb46-4a00-9140-002e5cf43d72

SteelKnight
09-18-2010, 12:09 AM
Urbik played a lot of center in camp and in preseason. It's not a new thing. He played LG, C, RG in preseason and did well at all 3. The Steelers told him he was good enough, but letting him go was just the unfortunate part of the business. You can't keep everybody. I think his slow start last year is why he's not here. The coaches had to go with other guys like Foster and Legursky since Urbik wasn't ready and by the time Urbik was ready this year the coaches had developed more of a trust in Foster and Legursky because of last year.

Here's an update on Urbik from Buffalo's site.

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-3/OL-Urbik-settling-in/8bddb928-eb46-4a00-9140-002e5cf43d72

Please post your source on Urbik playing center here at camp. That was not well talked about. They didn't give him any snaps in any games. I never heard him playing center in practice.

If he did show center capabilities then that means Legursky just straight out outplayed him.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
09-18-2010, 12:26 AM
Urbik did take snaps at center with the Steelers. Prior to camp when Hartwig was not practicing (due to injury) he ran with the second team at center.


So Pouncey and Kraig Urbik played center Wednesday. Pouncey is a past and future center who Steelers coaches said would play right guard this season. Urbik was drafted as a guard last year, but is trying to add to his repertoire after mostly watching games in street clothes as a rookie in 2009.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10147/1061155-66.stm?cmpid=steelers.xml

MasterOfPuppets
09-18-2010, 12:29 AM
Please post your source on Urbik playing center here at camp. That was not well talked about. They didn't give him any snaps in any games. I never heard him playing center in practice.

If he did show center capabilities then that means Legursky just straight out outplayed him.
--- In their three-deep depth chart, the Steelers do not list Kraig Urbik at guard but as the third-team center. Doug Legursky is the No. 2 center. Pouncey, listed as the No. 2 right guard, also can play center, of course. Say goodbye to Mr. Urbik, who was the Steelers second pick in the 2009 draft (they traded their second-round pick and he was their first of three third-rounders).
http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports-town/steelers/104288-ed-urbik-has-big-hill-to-climb

Pittsburgh Steelers OG Kraig Urbik is seeing time at guard and center during the team's minicamp this weekend, according to Scott Brown, of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Source: KFFL.com (http://www.kffl.com/entry/index_rtsports.php?realtime-fantasy-football)

Urbik has taken up playing center this year in hopes of demonstrating added versatility (itís much easier to make the active roster if you can play center and guard). But Doug Legursky is clearly ahead of him on the depth chart at both positions, Ramon Foster has more power and versatility and rookie Maurkice Pouncey is leapfrogging past all of them on the depth chart.
http://www.steelerslounge.com/2010/08/players-noticeably-unnoticed/

The Steelers are working second-year OL Kraig Urbik at center during OTAs in order to increase his versatility.
A tackle at Wisconsin, Urbik was drafted to play guard but didn't come along quickly enough to even be active on game days. With C Justin Hartwig (shoulder) limited in spring practices, Urbik is getting some first-team reps.
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

So Pouncey and Kraig Urbik played center Wednesday. Pouncey is a past and future center who Steelers coaches said would play right guard this season. Urbik was drafted as a guard last year, but is trying to add to his repertoire after mostly watching games in street clothes as a rookie in 2009.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10147/1061155-66.stm#ixzz0zqv9zOq1

if ya need more, let me know...:wave:

SteelKnight
09-18-2010, 05:16 AM
OK OK you guys got me. He played center during OTAs when Hartwig was injured. I get it. I just didnt remember seeing reports of him playing center during training camp but if you have those sources, go ahead and post. lol

desertsteel
09-18-2010, 10:31 AM
I was annoed to read that Urbik picked up center and now says he can play all interior positions.

The main reason he was shipped was because he couldn't beat out Kemo, Essex or Foster at guard and we needed a back up center.

Had he volunteered to learn center earlier, he could have competed ead to head with Legursky to see which one was better. Without the center skills, Legursky (even at 6'1) was the obvious choice.

I don't like Legursky's playing so too bad Urbik couldn't step up.

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-3/OL-Urbik-settling-in/8bddb928-eb46-4a00-9140-002e5cf43d72

Legursky is a FOOTBALL player........ Urbik? LOL...

No comparison.

/end thread

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-18-2010, 01:42 PM
Urbik is gonna be in this league for 8-10 seasons. Never gonna be a pro bowler, but will be a solid interior lineman. He got caught in a numbers game and should have been better than Foster, but wasnt yet.

SteelKnight
09-18-2010, 02:44 PM
Urbik is gonna be in this league for 8-10 seasons. Never gonna be a pro bowler, but will be a solid interior lineman. He got caught in a numbers game and should have been better than Foster, but wasnt yet.

Yea...you would hope the #2 rated guard in a draft would be better than an undrafted RFA. Even the number one (Duke Robinson) as not looked good and didn't go until round 5 or so so it was a bad year for guards. There were a couple of center which were taken higher that had guard capability.

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-18-2010, 04:51 PM
Yea...you would hope the #2 rated guard in a draft would be better than an undrafted RFA. Even the number one (Duke Robinson) as not looked good and didn't go until round 5 or so so it was a bad year for guards. There were a couple of center which were taken higher that had guard capability.

I dont think any of the drafniks like Mike Mayock even had Urbik in the top 5 of interior linemen. It was all Mack, , Robinson, Unger, Wood, Levitre, Herman Johnson and others. I do think Urbik was a solid choice in the 3rd, but needed to beat out Foster to stay on the squad.

Guys in later rounds could be finds. I was screaming to take Carl Nicks instead of Tony Hills back a few years ago and he would have been a decent 4th rounder.

tony hipchest
09-18-2010, 04:57 PM
I dont think any of the drafniks like Mike Mayock even had Urbik in the top 5 of interior linemen. It was all Mack, , Robinson, Unger, Wood, Levitre, Herman Johnson and others. I do think Urbik was a solid choice in the 3rd, but needed to beat out Foster to stay on the squad.

Guys in later rounds could be finds. I was screaming to take Carl Nicks instead of Tony Hills back a few years ago and he would have been a decent 4th rounder.

speaking of carl nicks...

peter king was asked who is the most underrated player in the nfl-

.SI_PeterKing RT @jchtgb: NFL's most underrated player?... 1.DE Aaron Smith, Pit; 2. G Carl Nicks, NO; 3.S Dashon Goldson, SF; 4.DL Anthony Hargrove, NO.

im annoyed u-boat coulsnt secure a spot, but if essex can hold down the fort, i guess it is all a wash.

SteelKnight
09-18-2010, 07:45 PM
[QUOTE=El-Gonzo Jackson;844624]I dont think any of the drafniks like Mike Mayock even had Urbik in the top 5 of interior linemen. [QUOTE]

You are just guessing but you are remembering incorrectly. No prob. Some had Urbik as the second best pure guard after Duke Robinson. There were players that were ranked as centers on some and then guards on others.

I think only after that disappointing class did Mayock start to combine "interior linemen". He used to do centers and guards separately.

In this one below he has Urbik 3rd but trust me some had him second. I guess some didn't list Levitre as a guard. And in case you are going to play games with interior linemen, I don't care to argue. Waste of time.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d80dff358/article/mayocks-top-prospects-at-each-position

MasterOfPuppets
09-18-2010, 08:02 PM
Guard

Duke Robinson, Oklahoma (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/duke_robinson.html)
Andy Levitre, Oregon St. (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/andy_levitre.html)
Herman Johnson, LSU (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/herman_johnson.html)
Kraig Urbik, Wisconsin (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/kraig_urbik.html)
Trevor Canfield, Cincinnati (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/trevor_canfield.html)

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/ol.html

walterfootball had him 5th...

Duke Robinson, Oklahoma Andy Levitre, Oregon State
Andy Levitre, Oregon State
Herman Johnson, LSU (http://walterfootball.com/pro2009hjohnson.php)
Trevor Canfield, Cincinnati
Kraig Urbik, Wisconsin
http://walterfootball.com/draft2009OG.php

SteelKnight
09-18-2010, 08:06 PM
Guard

Duke Robinson, Oklahoma (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/duke_robinson.html)
Andy Levitre, Oregon St. (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/andy_levitre.html)
Herman Johnson, LSU (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/herman_johnson.html)
Kraig Urbik, Wisconsin (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/kraig_urbik.html)
Trevor Canfield, Cincinnati (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/trevor_canfield.html)

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/ol.html

walterfootball had him 5th...

Duke Robinson, Oklahoma Andy Levitre, Oregon State
Andy Levitre, Oregon State
Herman Johnson, LSU (http://walterfootball.com/pro2009hjohnson.php)
Trevor Canfield, Cincinnati
Kraig Urbik, Wisconsin
http://walterfootball.com/draft2009OG.php


And some of them changed their rankings as time went on. I think I remember that out of the Seniors that actually played guard, many thought he was second after Robinson. Once you add juniors, centers moving to guard and Tackles moving to guard, it shakes up the list a bit.

MasterOfPuppets
09-18-2010, 08:12 PM
And some of them changed their rankings as time went on. I think I remember that out of the Seniors that actually played guard, many thought he was second after Robinson. Once you add juniors, centers moving to guard and Tackles moving to guard, it shakes up the list a bit.

Updated: 4/21
This page was last updated April 24, 2009.

don't know about the other sites, but these were right before the draft.

SteelKnight
09-18-2010, 09:37 PM
Updated: 4/21
This page was last updated April 24, 2009.

don't know about the other sites, but these were right before the draft.

No. I understand. The Mayock one I posted was before the draft too. I guess what I mean is that around senior bowl time, when looking at the top 2 senior guards, Urbik was second after Robinson but then people started adding juniors projecting centers and tackles to guard...so this left Urbik 3rd to 5th on most lists.

I know the other guy is going to come and say "interior linemen" is what he said but if sources are ranking guards and centers separately, why speculate? Who cares? The thing is he was on most rankings top 5 guard prospects.

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-19-2010, 12:02 PM
No. I understand. The Mayock one I posted was before the draft too. I guess what I mean is that around senior bowl time, when looking at the top 2 senior guards, Urbik was second after Robinson but then people started adding juniors projecting centers and tackles to guard...so this left Urbik 3rd to 5th on most lists.

I know the other guy is going to come and say "interior linemen" is what he said but if sources are ranking guards and centers separately, why speculate? Who cares? The thing is he was on most rankings top 5 guard prospects.

Yeah, I was just remembering that it was a weak guard class relatively speaking. No big prospects, but a lot of solid guys like the C/G Caldwell from Bama and Vasquez from Texas Tech there too.

I still think Urbik is gonna be in the NFL for a long time, but at this point he wasnt any better than Legursky or Foster and the Steelers were probably hoping he could make the PS.

I still remember watching around 4 Wisconsin games that year and breaking him down as a solid prospect. Also, he had a strong Senior bowl week and played with a nasty streak, shutting down Ziggy Hood in 1 on 1 drills.

SteelKnight
09-19-2010, 05:14 PM
Yeah, I was just remembering that it was a weak guard class relatively speaking. No big prospects, but a lot of solid guys like the C/G Caldwell from Bama and Vasquez from Texas Tech there too.

I still think Urbik is gonna be in the NFL for a long time, but at this point he wasnt any better than Legursky or Foster and the Steelers were probably hoping he could make the PS.

I still remember watching around 4 Wisconsin games that year and breaking him down as a solid prospect. Also, he had a strong Senior bowl week and played with a nasty streak, shutting down Ziggy Hood in 1 on 1 drills.

He looked bad in the Senior Bowl drills but good in the game. The video of the drills used to be available on Yahoo.

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-19-2010, 09:16 PM
He looked bad in the Senior Bowl drills but good in the game. The video of the drills used to be available on Yahoo.

I PVR'ed the Senior Bowl workouts on NFLNetwork and Urbik looked solid to me. Here is a scouting report from back then too.

In the 1v1 battles going on at the North end zone, Ziggy Hood continued to dominate, but not if Kraig Urbik had anything to say about it. Urbik handled Hood's spin well and stood him up and displayed a nasty demeanor. http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2009practice2.php

In the end, who really cares because he isnt a Steeler any more.
2-0........oh yeah!!!

figg
09-22-2010, 02:53 PM
It looks like Legursky's going to get his shot this week :thumbsup: You know how Tomlin is when someone gets injured and the replacement perform's well.

SteelKnight
09-22-2010, 03:05 PM
I PVR'ed the Senior Bowl workouts on NFLNetwork and Urbik looked solid to me. Here is a scouting report from back then too.

In the 1v1 battles going on at the North end zone, Ziggy Hood continued to dominate, but not if Kraig Urbik had anything to say about it. Urbik handled Hood's spin well and stood him up and displayed a nasty demeanor. http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2009practice2.php

In the end, who really cares because he isnt a Steeler any more.
2-0........oh yeah!!!

Nah...I saw the drills myself and he looked awful. I also remember them saying even though he looked awful during the drills, he had a better game.

Seeing is believing.

pete74
09-22-2010, 05:02 PM
I would personally rather see Urbik playing guard for us then Legursky. Urbik has alot of upside and may be really good someday were Legursky will never be anything more then a mediocre backup. I saw enough of Legursky to know he is more of a liability then anything