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83-Steelers-43
06-16-2006, 10:12 AM
Why exactly did we sit Freddy Sanchez yesterday? Mark another one down for stupid moves on Pirates management. Guy is smacking the hell out of the ball and we sit him. Dumb baseball. There is no excuse for that guy to be sitting on that bench. None at all.

SteelerDan43
06-18-2006, 09:08 PM
Went to the fathers day game today, wonderful day and a great game up to the 7th inning. We should of been winning if Bay had a head on his shoulders and realized the play with the run down. Perez just blew up and the error he made sealed it. Once we brought in Burnitz to PH and Vogelsong to pitch it was obvious we were throwing in the towel.

Mosca
06-19-2006, 09:55 AM
Why exactly did we sit Freddy Sanchez yesterday? Mark another one down for stupid moves on Pirates management. Guy is smacking the hell out of the ball and we sit him. Dumb baseball. There is no excuse for that guy to be sitting on that bench. None at all.

I think the reason you're seeing more "hot" guys sitting these days is because of the new policy on performance enhancing drugs; it's not limited to steroids, it also includes amphetamines. With fewer guys taking uppers, the grind of the season will wear them down. Resting guys was common during the 40's/50's/'60's; very few players played 154/162.


Tom

83-Steelers-43
06-20-2006, 10:26 PM
I think the reason you're seeing more "hot" guys sitting these days is because of the new policy on performance enhancing drugs; it's not limited to steroids, it also includes amphetamines. With fewer guys taking uppers, the grind of the season will wear them down. Resting guys was common during the 40's/50's/'60's; very few players played 154/162.


Tom

Well, it's not as if Freddy is putting up HR numbers. The guy is putting the ball in play. Last I recall, steroids do not help with eye/ball contact. Just ask Barry Bonds. Once again, no excuse to sit Freddy Sanchez.

83-Steelers-43
06-20-2006, 10:27 PM
Also, great having Kip Wells back in the rotation......he made the difference this year......:rolleyes:

BlackNGold203
06-21-2006, 07:54 AM
An all time low....losing to the Royals 10-6.....jesus......

SteelerDan43
06-21-2006, 08:33 AM
An all time low....losing to the Royals 10-6.....jesus......

Thats what happens when you rush a guy back thats only had two rehab starts and none above AA

83-Steelers-43
06-21-2006, 09:06 AM
An all time low....losing to the Royals 10-6.....jesus......


Ditto.....just a little pathetic.

BlackNGold203
06-21-2006, 09:18 AM
To echo on a previous post...WHY would Freddy Sanchez...one of the leading hitters in the league...sit down so that Joe freakin Randa can play 3rd base????

inexcusable....I liked the hiring of Tracy...but I had no idea he was this big of a wimp...at least McClendon had some fire....I need to see Tracy get fired up over...something...anything....

SteelCityMan786
06-21-2006, 10:27 AM
Hey BNG. I have a better idea, if Tracy gets fired, promote Tim Leiper from the Altoona Curve, he's got a heck of fire with him every game. Anytime the umps are messed up something that was obvious he's runs out and gives em a piece of his mind. He's even been tossed like 5 or 6 times this year(I think).

SteelerDan43
06-21-2006, 05:47 PM
After some thinking/research I can understand the rest game for Freddy. From May 2nd to June 9th he had at least 3AB in every game he appeared in, only 4 days of rest in that span. Then he had a pitch hit AB on the 10th. The part that makes not alot of sense is that they game him the 10th off then they gave him another day off 4 days later.

83-Steelers-43
06-21-2006, 05:57 PM
To echo on a previous post...WHY would Freddy Sanchez...one of the leading hitters in the league...sit down so that Joe freakin Randa can play 3rd base????

inexcusable....I liked the hiring of Tracy...but I had no idea he was this big of a wimp...at least McClendon had some fire....I need to see Tracy get fired up over...something...anything....

I agree brother. No excuse at all and I have yet to hear one even from the biggest homers in this city. You don't sit a player who's that hot. Dumb. I guess we should rest Bautista also....or better yet, send him down to the minors.

SteelerDan43
06-21-2006, 06:08 PM
I agreed with the first day off but not the second one. you gota give the guys a rest every once and a while especially the guys who are starters for the first time who are not used to the grind of 162.

83-Steelers-43
06-21-2006, 06:11 PM
I'm willing to give guys a rest, but not when they are that hot. The kid is 26/27 years old and the season is not even half way over. Sorry, still a dumb move in my mind.

83-Steelers-43
06-22-2006, 11:47 AM
Pirates blow another 4-0 lead in the sixth to lose to the Royals 6-4. :headshake:

83-Steelers-43
06-23-2006, 10:33 AM
We were just swept by the the KC Royals while losing 15-7. It's actually getting comical at this point.

BlackNGold203
06-23-2006, 12:17 PM
Pirates stake claim to worst in the game

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06174/700562-63.stm

We give up 31 runs in 3 games to the Royals....on pace to be 57-105

I mean...cmon...this is just....*speechless*

Theanswer385
06-23-2006, 12:18 PM
finding a nice thick rope and a chair to kick out from under my feet!!!!



I dont know what to do anymore!!!

They do so awesome for like a week and a half get me all exited then erhehrehrhehreh!!!!!

We better do something at the trade deadline ...Honestly i dislike C. Wilson I hope we trade him soon!!

Get some proven young talent in here and i dont care how they do it.

Black@Gold Forever32
06-23-2006, 12:24 PM
We were just swept by the the KC Royals while losing 15-7. It's actually getting comical at this point.

Yea, the Pirates are a joke. Getting swept by the Royals is just well I don't have the words to say.:dang: I'll just leave it at that. Is it football season yet? I love the Buccos but its getting so fustrating seeing this team not even come close to finishing at least 500. I'll take a 500 season at this point. That at least show some steps in the right direction.

BlackNGold203
06-23-2006, 12:56 PM
Ya gotta look at two things here...ownership and GM....mainly ownership I think

Is McClatchey clueless?...are they pocketing money that can be put into payroll?

Your big free agent is Jeremy freakin Burnitz?..Im sorry..look at him...he just really doesnt seem to give a shit when he plays.

Watch them trade Casey....

Theanswer385
06-23-2006, 07:10 PM
i heard they are signing Casey to a 3 year deal after the season.

HometownGal
06-23-2006, 10:49 PM
I'm a huge Pirates fan and have attended a lot of games this season. I love this team and feel that there is some real talent there. McClatchey doesn't care about the team - the Pirates are simply an investment to him so he can line his pockets. I was not happy when the Bucs hired Tracy and I'm even unhappier now, as I think both he and Colburn are big contributors to the problems with this team. The Bucs have some good young pitching talent but it is not being developed properly and Tracy is so quick to give a pitcher the hook after 100 pitches even if he is pitching well, yet he leaves a pitcher in who is being taken to the cleaners. He simply has no fire in his eyes which leads one to the impression that he doesn't give a damn if they win or lose. Tracy and Colburn both need to go, imho, and McClatchey needs to find another money making scheme and sell the team to somone who does give a damn like the Galbreaths did many moons ago.

83-Steelers-43
06-23-2006, 11:18 PM
Yea, the Pirates are a joke. Getting swept by the Royals is just well I don't have the words to say.:dang: I'll just leave it at that. Is it football season yet? I love the Buccos but its getting so fustrating seeing this team not even come close to finishing at least 500. I'll take a 500 season at this point. That at least show some steps in the right direction.

I hear ya brother and I don't see things changing for a long time. Year after year, same old story. Once a year we hear the same old song and dance before the season starts and the end results are always the same. It's a shame.

Theanswer385
06-23-2006, 11:52 PM
Its a shame all that talent perez had is gone. He will be the one to go down when Santos comes back. I like perez but lets face it hes one of the worst pitchers in the league.

83-Steelers-43
06-23-2006, 11:55 PM
Perez is getting slammed tonight. 7-0 Dodgers in the 4th. Here comes Grabow....lol.

Theanswer385
06-24-2006, 12:06 AM
Perez is getting slammed tonight. 7-0 Dodgers in the 4th. Here comes Grabow....lol.haha i kno i feel bad for the guy. The O hasnt really done much the past few games and it seems like bay has gone Ice cold after his homerun streak ended.

SteelerDan43
06-24-2006, 10:28 AM
Ya as the old saying goes managers lose games but players win games lol.

BlackNGold203
06-24-2006, 10:47 AM
If they lose tonight...it will be their 1st 10 game losing streak in 38 years....

This is progress????

83-Steelers-43
06-24-2006, 12:26 PM
If they lose tonight...it will be their 1st 10 game losing streak in 38 years....

This is progress????

At this point, I'm questioning every aspect of this team. In my opinion, the lack of the will to win and the acceptance of losing is evident with this team. Starting with the mute we have for a manager to the player interviews after blowing nine straight. There is zero emotion on this team. They are used to losing and it's becoming an acceptance. That filters on down starting with ownership.

As for your comment on progress. Brother, we have been hearing that they are making progress for the last fourteen years. Some still enjoy drinking that kool-aid and others realize that it's a complete joke and that this organization will say anything in order to get you in that ball park.

I don't see it getting much better. Littlefield is a joke who get's an extension after every horrible season and McClatchy is a snake who has no idea how to own a ball team. Unfortunately we are stuck with these two jackasses until McClatchy decides to take his ass back to California with his pockets stuffed. I'm happy to know that he does not have a cent of mine in his pockets from this season and it will stay that way until changes are made on and off the field.

BlackNGold203
06-24-2006, 12:58 PM
I'm happy to know that he does not have a cent of mine in his pockets from this season and it will stay that way until changes are made on and off the field.

Amen...

Although I LOVE going to PNC Park...the only time I do any more is when I get comps...or I do it to entertain clients....

SteelCityMan786
06-24-2006, 01:48 PM
CUBAN IN MCCLATCHY OUT. This is rediculous.

83-Steelers-43
06-25-2006, 06:01 AM
If they lose tonight...it will be their 1st 10 game losing streak in 38 years....

Well, they succeeded while getting blasted 7-0 last night. Good job Bucco's.

Prosdo
06-25-2006, 08:32 AM
I would be all for getting rid of McClatchy. The guy is an absolute JOKE! I think a guy like Mark Cuban could help turn the club around. He isn't afraid to spend money to keep young talent.

BlackNGold203
06-25-2006, 09:42 AM
Interesting Bob Smizik piece in todays P-G....

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06176/701101-194.stm

The interview with Nutting was desired because, contrary to popular belief, he is the man making the major business decision for the organization. McClatchy is the CEO and public face of the team, but not the major decision-maker.

This whole situation just blows....

BlackNGold203
06-25-2006, 09:43 AM
So...a 10 game losing streak...facing a pitcher today who is 7-2 with a 2.38 ERA...then coming home for 6 straight against the 2 best teams in baseball....Chisox and Tigers....

This could get REALLLLL ugly

BlackNGold203
06-25-2006, 08:33 PM
Pirates lose 11th straight

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06176/701162-63.stm

It doesn't get any easier for manager Jim Tracy's club. The Pirates' next 10 games are against the White Sox, Tigers and Mets -- all of whom have winning percentages over .600. The next three pitchers they are scheduled to face are Mark Buehrle, Freddy Garcia and Jose Contreras, who are a combined 25-8 for Chicago. Contreras has won his last 16 decisions in the regular season for the defending World Series champs.

U-G-L-Y

X-Terminator
06-26-2006, 02:37 PM
*sighs*

It's really a shame that this team isn't better than they are. It's not like they don't have talent - they do - but bad management all around is what is keeping this team down. From the greedy and uncaring Nuttings on down to Jim Tracy, who couldn't manage a pee-wee league team. I didn't like that choice from day one, and they should have broken the bank to bring Jim Leyland back here. All he's done is take the same team that lost 90 games last season and mold them into the best team record-wise in the majors. Do you think he could have done the same with this team? Absolutely - if upper management gave a damn. Until the Nuttings/McClatchy/Littlefield are shown the door, I'm afraid the Pirates will never turn things around, even with the beautiful ballpark.

And that's the biggest shame of all.

SteelerDan43
06-27-2006, 05:02 PM
Got my All Star Volunteer conformation today!! So come see me at Fan Fest!!!

83-Steelers-43
06-27-2006, 05:13 PM
If the Pirate organization pays me to attend, I will show up.

SteelerDan43
06-27-2006, 05:15 PM
If the Pirate organization pays me to attend, I will show up.

I have two free tickets but they are going to my cousins! :sofunny:
I do get the chance to win tickets to the actual game and I get a free All Star Polo shirt and some other stuff too

83-Steelers-43
06-27-2006, 05:18 PM
I have two free tickets but they are going to my cousins! :sofunny:
I do get the chance to win tickets to the actual game and I get a free All Star Polo shirt and some other stuff too

Darn, you mean I won't be able to attend PNC Park and give my money to that respectable, honest and successful sports organization? Damn! :sofunny:

"WE WILL"

tony hipchest
06-27-2006, 07:30 PM
Darn, you mean I won't be able to attend PNC Park and give my money to that respectable, honest and successful sports organization? Damn! :sofunny:

"WE WILL"

lol. "WE WILL"......suck

and a 12 game losing streak is the longest since 1939.


*sigh*

oh well theres hope.........maybe they can beat their longest losing streak ever.

83-Steelers-43
06-28-2006, 10:19 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/images4/20060628PD_iratefans_450.jpg

SteelerDan43
06-28-2006, 06:37 PM
Thank God they finally got rid of Vogelsong

BlackNGold203
06-28-2006, 06:41 PM
Thank God they finally got rid of Vogelsong

they have way bigger problems than Vogelsong....

*cough* Perez *cough*

SteelerDan43
06-28-2006, 06:43 PM
they have way bigger problems than Vogelsong....

*cough* Perez *cough*

Well they pulled him out of the rotation and from what it sounds like Gorzelanny is going to take his spot

83-Steelers-43
06-28-2006, 07:07 PM
At this point, there is not much else this "team" can do. We are out of options for the most part. Just sit back and continue to watch this mess.

BlackNGold203
06-28-2006, 08:25 PM
SHHHHH...dont tell anyone.....

Pirates are winning 2-0...bottom of the 6th....

Black@Gold Forever32
06-28-2006, 08:28 PM
SHHHHH...dont tell anyone.....

Pirates are winning 2-0...bottom of the 6th....

:dancing: Pirates actually have the lead.:dancing: Mark Cuban is our only hope.

tony hipchest
06-28-2006, 08:32 PM
SHHHHH...dont tell anyone.....

Pirates are winning 2-0...bottom of the 6th....that means the record for 1 run losses is still in sight!

BlackNGold203
06-28-2006, 08:37 PM
*shifty eyes*

3-0

Burnitz homers...the apolcalypse is near.....

tony hipchest
06-28-2006, 08:47 PM
*shifty eyes*

3-0

Burnitz homers...the apolcalypse is near.....
damnit. the they cant even win at losing!

*sigh*

BlackNGold203
06-28-2006, 08:56 PM
LMAO

4-3 Chisox.....

LMAO

tony hipchest
06-28-2006, 09:17 PM
LMAO

4-3 Chisox.....

LMAO i knew it!!!!!!

both records (and maybe 3) are still intact! go bucco's

BlackNGold203
06-28-2006, 09:41 PM
YESSSS

4-3 Chisox final!!!

Lucky 13 in a row...and another 1-runner!!!

83-Steelers-43
06-28-2006, 11:02 PM
U.N.B.E.L.I.E.V.A.B.L.E

:toofunny:

83-Steelers-43
06-28-2006, 11:14 PM
This is beautiful.......http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06179/701647-63.stm

CantStop85
06-29-2006, 12:20 AM
As a fan of both the Bengals and Reds, even I must remark that it's quite an impressive accomplishment.

X-Terminator
06-29-2006, 08:54 AM
This is beautiful.......http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06179/701647-63.stm

LOL! It's about time the fans said enough is enough. I'm a season ticket holder this year, but it will be my last until management finally figures out that their job is to put a competitive team on the field, not sell the public on lemon after lemon after lemon in order to line their pockets. I gave them up once before and didn't renew for 3 years...I can do it again, and for as long as it takes.

83-Steelers-43
06-29-2006, 09:44 AM
I'm anxious to see the amount of season ticket packages that are dropped after this All-Star game season. It's nice to see after 14 straight losing seasons some fans are starting to make a stand and say "enough is enough". It's well past due in my opinion.

BlackNGold203
06-29-2006, 11:06 AM
you see in my posts from last night...I'm going to have some fun with this....

It's too depressing and completely futile to get all worked up about this organization...they are a joke...LOL...so you might as well joke about it...

BlackNGold203
06-29-2006, 03:57 PM
The streak ends witha 7-6 win over the Chisox....

Freddy Sanchez with the walk off homer in the ninth....

4-5...hitting .363....Wow!!!

lemme guess...we'll trade him at the deadline for two pitchers with damaged arms....right?

83-Steelers-43
06-29-2006, 05:47 PM
I just listened to the radio plug (played it on Sports Center) from the 9th and I thought we won the World Series.....

Black@Gold Forever32
06-29-2006, 06:02 PM
Beat'em Bucs Beat'em Bucs. I havn't got to say that for awhile. Man I actually had some hope of a 500 season before this year. Thats all I'm asking for is a 500 season and then go from there.

tony hipchest
06-29-2006, 06:09 PM
I just listened to the radio plug (played it on Sports Center) from the 9th and I thought we won the World Series.....i just saw the highlights (lead off story on sportscenter). the radio call was pretty hilarious in a pitiful sort of way. i guess i kinda feel good for the fans who still showed up and had a little something to cheer for. gotta give the bucs credit. they tried hard to turn that into another 1 game lost. maybe next game.

X-Terminator
06-29-2006, 09:06 PM
Oliver Perez was sent to AAA right after the game, a decision that I feel is long overdue.

http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060629&content_id=1529755&vkey=news_pit&fext=.jsp&c_id=pit

Black@Gold Forever32
06-29-2006, 09:11 PM
I hope Mark Cuban buys the Buccos.

83-Steelers-43
06-30-2006, 11:06 PM
Ummm.....yeah...........I would like to take the time out to say that "KIP WELLS SUCKS".

Thank God he's back!!!! I mean..........he pitched so well last season (stroking motion), how could we afford to lose him for a good majority of this season? He's our savior!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Pirates lose 7-6 (Well's gave up back-to-back HR's).

tony hipchest
06-30-2006, 11:17 PM
Ummm.....yeah...........I would like to take the time out to say that "KIP WELLS SUCKS".

Thank God he's back!!!! I mean..........he pitched so well last season (stroking motion), how could we afford to lose him for a good majority of this season? He's our savior!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Pirates lose 7-6 (Well's gave up back-to-back HR's). atleast that 1 run loss record is still in sight. it wouldnt be the pirates if they didnt make it so close to make you wanna puke on a daily basis.

SteelerDan43
07-01-2006, 10:44 AM
Ummm.....yeah...........I would like to take the time out to say that "KIP WELLS SUCKS".

Thank God he's back!!!! I mean..........he pitched so well last season (stroking motion), how could we afford to lose him for a good majority of this season? He's our savior!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Pirates lose 7-6 (Well's gave up back-to-back HR's).

Its only his second start! and his 4th overall start!!!

83-Steelers-43
07-01-2006, 12:31 PM
Its only his second start! and his 4th overall start!!!

Now that little fact would actually mean something to me if Kip Wells was actually good last season. I'll stick with the opinion that Kip Wells sucks and it's amazing how hard he is pimped by some....:sofunny:

SteelerDan43
07-01-2006, 12:39 PM
Prior to injuries in the last two seasons he had three consecutive double digit win seasons and is still the only pitcher on the staff with any kind of experience

83-Steelers-43
07-01-2006, 12:45 PM
This kid has had a long-troubling tendency to fall behind after working ahead. He get's rattled easily. He panics. With all that "experience" you think he would be just a little better at this point in time. I guess it just goes to show that "experience" isn't everything. He stunk last year and I don't see it changing for Kip. Some do. 4.15 million for that? No thanks.

SteelerDan43
07-01-2006, 12:53 PM
He had problems with numbness in his pitching hand all last year due to what was discovered was a blood clot. Before he became injury prone he was very good. mid to low 3 ERA and double digit wins isnt bad at all

83-Steelers-43
07-01-2006, 12:55 PM
lol. "WE WILL"......suck

and a 12 game losing streak is the longest since 1939.


*sigh*

oh well theres hope.........maybe they can beat their longest losing streak ever.

If you love the "WE WILL" shtick they pulled this season, this article will make you chuckle.....

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06113/684346-63.stm

As for Wells, when he proves it to me, then I will believe it. The guy is disappointing (much like the rest of the team) in my opinion. Strange how there are trade rumors involving his name it seems every year. Problem is, the guy can't stay healthy and when he is healthy, he looks lost. Kind of hard to trade that. Eitherway I don't see him in a Pirate uniform next season. I guess only time will tell.

83-Steelers-43
07-02-2006, 04:34 PM
And the most exciting part of the Pirate season this year...............a stealth bomber buzzing low over the city of Pittsburgh today.

Oh yeah, we lost 9-8. We had based loaded in the 9th with one out. Castillo went down on strikes and Cota grounded out.

BlackNGold203
07-02-2006, 04:54 PM
Bases loaded...2 out...down a run....and here steps in the lethal..the fearsome....that monster of a player....Humberto Cota!!!!

dribbler to 2nd....Pirates lose....

Wheeeee

83-Steelers-43
07-02-2006, 05:15 PM
It amazes me that Cota is still on this roster.

SteelerDan43
07-02-2006, 05:16 PM
You have to give them a little credit for not giving up and at least making it a game, we were down by 6 in the 7th and to rally back to only lose by 1 isnt bad

83-Steelers-43
07-02-2006, 05:19 PM
:toofunny: That's funny stuff. Definately expected, but funny nonetheless. We had prime opportunities to win that game today and we blew it (sounds very familiar huh?). I'll start giving this team credit when they start winning and playing half decent ball. Wake me in 15 years.

BlackNGold203
07-02-2006, 07:54 PM
Castillo had a chance to tie it in the 7th...based loaded...1 out....double play

Castillo had a chance to tie it in the 9th...bases loaded...1 out...strike out

GOOD teams win those games...

This is NOT a good team....

tony hipchest
07-02-2006, 10:51 PM
ive been giving the pirates credit all year for losing 1 run games. i dont know what the record is but im sure they will break it.

and for bay to be declared a starter in the all star game is quite an accomplishment. i just hope the pirates are represented better this year than they were last year in the home run derby.

(bay is sub'ed after his 1st at bat)

83-Steelers-43
07-03-2006, 09:47 AM
Castillo had a chance to tie it in the 7th...based loaded...1 out....double play

Castillo had a chance to tie it in the 9th...bases loaded...1 out...strike out

GOOD teams win those games...

This is NOT a good team....

On that note..........this is what our new manager had to say about another blown opportunity.

"This was just a terrific comeback, again," Pirates manager Jim Tracy said. "Unfortunately, it fell short. To come back after trailing 9-2 so late in the game as we were and given their bullpen, which has been so special to get them off to the start they are off to, it is big. We were in a position to tie the game once in the later innings then in the position in the ninth inning to win. We just couldn't get the hit. We couldn't get the sacrifice fly."

What?!?!?! Is this guy kidding? Then Ron Cook (local writer for those who don't know) wonders why this team is listening to music and playing ping-pong before games. As if they are sailing along in first place with no worries. Then the fans who are fed up with the excuse making and sugarcoated defeats wonder why our players are laid back and have no problem with losing one run games or losing in general. Look no further than our laid back manager. After all, these one run defeats are not really defeats in some people's mind, they are just........minor shorting comings, all 24 of them while going into our 14th straight losing season? Give me a break.

Great job Jim, you had another "terrific comeback again" while still losing the game. Pat yourself on the back and while your at it, take the team out for ice cream after the game. It's funny. Before this season started it was "we are going to hit .500 or above this year". Now I'm noticing some (many are fed up and finally woke up) praising and sugarcoating one loss games, no matter who we are playing. Then we wonder why this team is content with losing. Between our own manager and some of the fans in this city....it's no wonder why this team accepts losing. Jim, keep praising those one loss games and some inside PNC will actually still believe you. Unfortunately, counting your own players. That's the sad part.

Ping-pong anyone? :rolleyes:

HometownGal
07-03-2006, 10:31 AM
Bases loaded...2 out...down a run....and here steps in the lethal..the fearsome....that monster of a player....Humberto Cota!!!!

dribbler to 2nd....Pirates lose....

Wheeeee

I know - a loss is a loss is a loss, but other than the horrendous pitching, I think the Bucs held their own against one of the best teams in baseball, losing 2 out of 3 by 1 run and stomping them 9-2 on Saturday. I've said it before and I'll say it again - this team does have some real talent, imho.

As for Tracy opting to pinch hit Cota with the bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th - :smashy:

Personally, I think the Pirates rushed Kip Wells back with visions of grandeur. I was at the game on Friday night (2 rows behind the Pirates dugout!) and he had basically nothing on the ball.

Jeremy
07-03-2006, 11:21 AM
The saddest part about all of this is Jim Leyland wanted to come back to Pittsburgh to manage but wasn't going to work for the current ownership.

The All Star game can't get here fast enough. After it's over, the current ownership can start looking for someone to sell the team to.

HometownGal
07-03-2006, 12:10 PM
The saddest part about all of this is Jim Leyland wanted to come back to Pittsburgh to manage but wasn't going to work for the current ownership.

The All Star game can't get here fast enough. After it's over, the current ownership can start looking for someone to sell the team to.

From what I heard, the Pirates weren't even looking at Jim Leyland. Go figure.

Don't expect the NutJobs and McCheese to sell the Pirates any time soon. As long as they are making millions every season, they aren't going to give up their gravy train. The tickets we had on Friday night were gifts - there is no way in hell I am lining their pockets with another red cent if they aren't going to give a shart about the team or the fans. What we need here is a fan revolt - a huge drop in season ticket sales would be a good start.

SteelCityMan786
07-03-2006, 12:29 PM
From what I heard, the Pirates weren't even looking at Jim Leyland. Go figure.

Don't expect the NutJobs and McCheese to sell the Pirates any time soon. As long as they are making millions every season, they aren't going to give up their gravy train. The tickets we had on Friday night were gifts - there is no way in hell I am lining their pockets with another red cent if they aren't going to give a shart about the team or the fans. What we need here is a fan revolt - a huge drop in season ticket sales would be a good start.


One of the guys in his group aggreed to by Seven Springs, so a share In the Pirates If I am not mistaken is up for sale. Unless McGreedy is just gonna make that another share of his.

BlackNGold203
07-03-2006, 10:28 PM
OK...fair's fair....

I've been bashing the Buccos of late...but MAN...did they just lay the wood on the Mets!!

11-1...15 hits...good pitching....well done...

And congratz to Freddie Sanchez for making the All Star team...well deserved

83-Steelers-43
07-03-2006, 10:50 PM
At the same time........I'm keeping in mind that Pedro Martinez was injured tonight. We took advantage of a AAA pitcher. Nice to see.

Jeremy
07-03-2006, 10:58 PM
We also hammered a pretty good bullpen.

I like the way our everyday lineup looks right now. We have legit major leaguers at every position, which is something I couldn't say the last few years.

Black@Gold Forever32
07-03-2006, 11:01 PM
OK...fair's fair....

I've been bashing the Buccos of late...but MAN...did they just lay the wood on the Mets!!

11-1...15 hits...good pitching....well done...

And congratz to Freddie Sanchez for making the All Star team...well deserved

Freddie Sanchez is having a real good year. Both Freddie and Jason Bay deserve their allstar selections. Maybe one day this team will have a winning season again. I know 1992 seems so long ago. I was 13. lol

Jeremy
07-03-2006, 11:04 PM
We won't have a winning season until we can get some decent starting pitching. I know everyone loves talking about our young arms, but those young arms are attached to young heads and young heads aren't very good at being aces. Back when Doug Drabek was at the front of the rotation, he was a losing streak buster. The man could end 3 or 4 game losing streaks almost by himself by throwing 7 or 8 innings and only allowing 1 or 2 runs. Right now we have a ton of talent, but not much maturity.

I still wish we had Kris Benson because I believe that he could have matured in to a solid staff ace.

Black@Gold Forever32
07-03-2006, 11:09 PM
We won't have a winning season until we can get some decent starting pitching. I know everyone loves talking about our young arms, but those young arms are attached to young heads and young heads aren't very good at being aces. Back when Doug Drabek was at the front of the rotation, he was a losing streak buster. The man could end 3 or 4 game losing streaks almost by himself by throwing 7 or 8 innings and only allowing 1 or 2 runs. Right now we have a ton of talent, but not much maturity.

I still wish we had Kris Benson because I believe that he could have matured in to a solid staff ace.

I remember Doug Drabek. He was flatout awesome in 1990. The thing with Benson was how long were we supposed to wait for him to turn into that solid staff ace. He just never could put it all together. The same goes for Kip Wells. I have been hearing about Kip Wells forever. I live close to Chicago and when he was with the Whitesox... the Sox brass made Kip Wells sound like the next coming of Tom Seaver. He sure hasn't lived up to the hype.

I say give our young rotation time. Look at the Tigers. One of their biggest reason for their turn around this year is their young arms are finally pitching very well. Of course Jimmy Leyland gets all the hype. But the fact those young arms are maturing is the biggest reason.

Jeremy
07-03-2006, 11:19 PM
I'm all for giving them time, but we still need a solid veteran presence to help them out along the way. Pirates fans all over the internet went berserk when Sean Casey and jeromy Burnitz came to town. What about Craig Wilson they said. I saw it as adding two solid veterans who knew how to prepare and could mentor our young guys during the season. They brought in veteran position players, but no veteran starter. They have some veterans in the bullpen, but that only helps the bullpen.

Combine all that with Oliver Perez and his massive dissapointment and you have a recipie for a bad pitching staff which is what we have.

83-Steelers-43
07-03-2006, 11:29 PM
:cool:

SteelerDan43
07-04-2006, 10:39 AM
Freddy Sanchez is going to be on Cold Pizza this morning

tony hipchest
07-04-2006, 06:15 PM
back to form. another 1 game loss (6-7 to the mets)

we gotta have this record sewn up by now!

83-Steelers-43
07-04-2006, 11:47 PM
Stop. They only lost by one run...........that means they won silly!!! :dang:

Another "terrific blown win, again,"

SteelCityMan786
07-05-2006, 11:37 AM
DAMN IT! The New York Pets have become my biggest NL Enemy.

SteelerDan43
07-05-2006, 09:17 PM
If anyone is comming down to fan fest I will be at the Negro League exibit monday and tuesday from 8am to 1pm.

83-Steelers-43
07-05-2006, 09:36 PM
5-0 Mets win. Kip Wells gives up 5 runs in the first inning. Good job Kip. :rolleyes:

tony hipchest
07-05-2006, 09:38 PM
5-0 Mets win. Kip Wells gives up 5 runs in the first inning. Good job Kip. :rolleyes:

FINALLY! a convincing loss by more than 1 run.

83-Steelers-43
07-05-2006, 09:42 PM
Let the sugarcoating begin (starting with the sucker's this team has for play-by-play and color commentary).

"Well, he stood his ground after the first.".

When you give up 5 runs in the first, good luck. Unbelievable.

BlackNGold203
07-08-2006, 08:17 AM
New rotation order for second half

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06189/704399-63.stm

Same arms...different order...

Atta boy Jim Tracy...that'll change the tide!!!!

(20 days til training camp)

83-Steelers-43
07-08-2006, 09:32 AM
(20 days til training camp)

Amen.

BlackNGold203
07-08-2006, 10:41 AM
Honestly...I dont believe i ask a whole helluva alot from the Pirates....

keep me interested until Latrobe...THATS ALL....

Anything past that is...well...gravy.....

But NOOOOOOO......

Theyre gone way before even freakin Memorial Day...

Sorry folks...had to get that out....

:banging: :banging: :banging:

83-Steelers-43
07-08-2006, 10:48 AM
Sorry folks...had to get that out....

:banging: :banging: :banging:

Hell, I don't know how you held it in this long to tell you the truth. I tip my hat. I lost it ten years ago.

CantStop85
07-08-2006, 03:48 PM
Hell, I don't know how you held it in this long to tell you the truth. I tip my hat. I lost it ten years ago.
Will this year be 15 straight losing seasons? If so, by the end of this year you'll know what it's like to be a Bengals fan...congratulations. :bouncy:

83-Steelers-43
07-08-2006, 05:23 PM
Will this year be 15 straight losing seasons? If so, by the end of this year you'll know what it's like to be a Bengals fan...congratulations. :bouncy:

"Losing it" and completely jumping off the wagon only to show up when my team is doing well while acting like a bunch of idiots (as if they been there all along) are two totally different situations. So no, I don't feel I will have anything in common with Bengal fans. But thanks. :bouncy:

tony hipchest
07-08-2006, 05:29 PM
comparing the pirates to the steelers? theres no comparisson. football is #1 all the way. the only way i could feel like a bengalsfan is if i got married 15 times and each wife cheated on me and left me.

BlackNGold203
07-11-2006, 08:45 AM
Interesting read in the P-G today....getting the other team's players take on the Pirates woes.....

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06192/704880-335.stm

"I'm sure it's frustrating for everyone here," New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez said. "But with the system we have in place right now, every team has hope. If you look at what revenue sharing has done, if you look at the way Oakland, Minnesota and now Detroit operate, you can get to where you're a player or two away, or a good decision by the manager away. Good baseball decisions can be made in Pittsburgh, too."


Yeah..you would think...wouldn't ya???

83-Steelers-43
07-11-2006, 10:30 AM
"But with the system we have in place right now, every team has hope."

That's easy to say from a player who's on a team that has a $198,662,180 payroll.

BlackNGold203
07-11-2006, 10:48 AM
"But with the system we have in place right now, every team has hope."

That's easy to say from a player who's on a team that has a $198,662,180 payroll.

I know what youre sayin 83....but there are and have been teams that have made GOOD BASEBALL DECISIONS...with modest payrolls...and have had some success....whens the last time the Yanks won a World Series?...they were beaten in 2003 by Florida...a team in a situation not dissimilar from our own...

LOL..I do agree...this comes from a guy making 25 mill/year...but the truth is...it CAN be done...it HAS been done

it just WILL NEVER be done here with the current organization

83-Steelers-43
07-11-2006, 10:52 AM
As I've stated in the past........I don't put full blame on the state of the game, but that does have alot do with the situation we are in right now. I'm more than willing to put blame on the Nuttings, McClatchy and Littlefield. There is blame to go around, no doubt.

But hypothetically, if we finally make the playoffs one of these days and hell...win the WS. After that we will end up like the Marlins. Having to sell off half our team and sit at the bottom for the next 14-15 years while teams like the Yanks and Red Sox complain about not making the World Series with their 100 million dollar payrolls every year. Eitherway, I still put most of the blame on the state of the game than I do ownership and management. So do small market teams have a shot? Even though it's a small chance, sure. Do they have a chance at winning the World Series or making the playoffs and then staying competative after the fact? Not likely at all.

So MLB throws a small market team a bone every once in a while and then the fans of those small market teams are back to square one watching their team suck for the next fifteen years. In my opinion, that's a horribly managed sport. I'm sure somebody from Boston or NY will disagree.

83-Steelers-43
07-11-2006, 11:28 PM
Strange watching great ball players in PNC.

SteelerDan43
07-15-2006, 03:51 PM
So we beat Washington 7-4 last night we played an excellent game. But of course no one cares because we like to bitch about the team when the play bad but never give them a shread of credit when the play well

83-Steelers-43
07-15-2006, 04:43 PM
So we beat Washington 7-4 last night we played an excellent game. But of course no one cares because we like to bitch about the team when the play bad but never give them a shread of credit when the play well

Well, that's the majority of the city at this point in time. What does that tell you?

Odd though, I've seen numerous posts on this thread giving them credit after a win. You just have to actually take the time out and read through the thread. Then again, when we have only mustered 31 wins so far this season I wouldn't get my expectations up. I have also noticed that many are not even bothering to post when we lose games. Overall though, I think at this point a great number really don't care if they win or lose. Another season down the drain so to speak.

For me, it's great they got a win. I tip my hat to a well played ball game. But I'm not going to sit here and criticize people who are not shooting off fireworks, parading down Grant Street and popping champagne while we are sitting at 31-60.

And on that note folks..........53 more days.

SteelCityMan786
07-15-2006, 04:44 PM
I give them all the credit in the world when they win. When they lose, well.... 1 Win Down. How about another one tonight boys?:beerbang:

BlackNGold203
07-15-2006, 10:50 PM
Pirates win again...7-6...

thats a 2 game WINNING STREAK....

It would be nice to see them make a nice push in the 2nd half.....

SteelCityMan786
07-15-2006, 11:26 PM
1 step at a time. Got another win. Now put it behind em, and get ready to see em win again.

83-Steelers-43
07-15-2006, 11:40 PM
Nice win.

83-Steelers-43
07-17-2006, 08:25 AM
We blew it yesterday in typical Pirate fashion. One more in the "L" column.

tony hipchest
07-17-2006, 11:04 PM
We blew it yesterday in typical Pirate fashion. One more in the "L" column.i did one of the craziest things ever a few days ago. i put $10 down on the pirates at the sportsbook with duke going against the nationals at less that 2:1 odds. (pirates were actually the favorites). lo and behold i won! :cool:

83-Steelers-43
07-18-2006, 09:43 AM
Finally, Kip Wells had a good game in a 3-1 Pirate victory. Hopefully yesterday's outing helped his trade value.

Jeremy
07-18-2006, 10:06 AM
3 of 4 since the All Star break and we're actually getting decent pitching.

Now we just need the Phillies to get hot and catch the Reds for the Wild Card.

X-Terminator
07-18-2006, 01:14 PM
Just 48 more wins to .500 :grin:

lilyoder6
07-18-2006, 01:37 PM
maybe the pirates should try get alfonso, liven and bobby and then we could win more..

83-Steelers-43
07-18-2006, 10:05 PM
And the Pirates received a nice bitch slapping by the Rockies tonight 13-4. :rolleyes:

Jeremy
07-18-2006, 11:10 PM
Colorado was playing good baseball during most of the first half. They were bound to come out of their losing streak sooner or later.

Rubber game is tomorrow.....I have a good feeling.

83-Steelers-43
07-19-2006, 11:47 AM
If any of this will make a difference in the present or future of this franchise I highly doubt it, but for what it's worth..........

Yankees seek Hernandez

The New York Yankees narrowly missed signing Roberto Hernandez as a free agent last winter, falling $250,000 short of the Pirates' $2.75 million, one-year contract offer.

Even now, it seems, they still want him in pinstripes.

An industry source in New York yesterday confirmed the Yankees and Pirates have had discussions about a trade that would send Hernandez to the Bronx. General manager Dave Littlefield's asking price was not clear, but it is possible, another source said, that Littlefield could ask the Yankees to absorb outfielder Jeromy Burnitz's contract as part of any deal.

Hernandez, 41, pitched well in the New York spotlight last season -- for the Mets -- and the Yankees apparently believe he can help their bullpen.


Still quiet on Casey

Neither first baseman Sean Casey nor his agent has received word from the Pirates regarding a contract extension, a further sign he is likely to be dealt by the July 31 deadline.

The Giants have interest in Casey and, to a lesser extent, outfielder Craig Wilson. But the Giants apparently have not yet gotten the green light from the Pirates to pursue Casey.

Big D
07-19-2006, 12:41 PM
Barry bonds will be a free agent after the end of this year... Nobody wants him. Maybe he could make a pirate come back:blah:

SteelCityMan786
07-19-2006, 12:57 PM
The Pirates should sign Casey to a contract extension. It will provide the Pirates with a heck of a 1st Basemen. Casey has done very well. But if he has trouble staying off of the DL then there is reason not to.

83-Steelers-43
07-19-2006, 01:06 PM
The Pirates should sign Casey to a contract extension. It will provide the Pirates with a heck of a 1st Basemen. Casey has done very well. But if he has trouble staying off of the DL then there is reason not to.

As for a first baseman........

Pirates Notebook: Rockies' Shealy in trade sights
Wednesday, July 19, 2006

By Dejan Kovacevic, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Pirates are one of five teams pursuing Colorado Rockies first baseman Ryan Shealy through a trade.

Shealy, 26, spent the entire season with Class AAA Colorado Springs before being recalled Monday to participate in the current series.

A 6-foot-5 right-handed hitter with some pop, he batted .284 with 15 home runs and 55 RBIs in 58 games in the minors, and the consensus is that he would have been with the Rockies already if not for the formidable presence of Todd Helton at first base.

Shealy spent 36 games with the Rockies last season and batted .330 with two home runs and 16 RBIs in 91 at-bats.

The other teams talking to Colorado are the San Francisco Giants, Baltimore Orioles, Toronto Blue Jays and Kansas City Royals. The Rockies are known to need bullpen help, and the Pirates feel they have plenty of that to give.

Jeremy
07-19-2006, 01:20 PM
Good bye Brad Eldred.

83-Steelers-43
07-19-2006, 03:27 PM
Pirates pull of a 6-5 victory this afternoon. Nice win.

Jeremy
07-19-2006, 03:37 PM
They've won both series since the All Star break.

Next up is a 4 game tilt with the Marlins. 3-1 against the Fish is very possible.

SteelCityMan786
07-19-2006, 11:38 PM
Big Time Possible. If we don't run into D Train at all this series we could even SWEEP the series.

83-Steelers-43
07-19-2006, 11:48 PM
It's amazing how we decide to come on strong during the second half. Same old bullshit.

tony hipchest
07-20-2006, 12:39 AM
It's amazing how we decide to come on strong during the second half. Same old bullshit.gotta sell hope (and tickets) for next season.

not that its an intentional or pre-planned strategy. just sucks how that works out though.

83-Steelers-43
07-21-2006, 09:22 AM
Has anybody in the Pittsburgh area seen the commercial on FSN praising and thanking Kevin McClatchy? Only in this city do we thank and praise mediocrity and straight up failure when it comes to baseball.

I was waiting for one fo the sports writers in this city to finally comment on FSN's commercial pertaining to the McClatchy love fest and to my surprise it came from Bob Smizik. The biggest Pirate homer/apologist in this city (media wise). I almost fell out of my chair when I read this article by homer.



On the Air with Bob Smizik: FSN's praise of McClatchy a bit too much
Friday, July 21, 2006

Regional sports networks such as FSN Pittsburgh walk a fine journalistic line with some of the teams they cover.

On one hand, such networks make a legitimate effort to honestly cover the teams whose games they carry, which, in the case of FSN, are the Pirates and Penguins. Toward that end, they hire qualified journalists who work hard to deliver balanced news.

At the same time, though, regional sports networks are important partners of the teams they cover. Without the Pirates and the Penguins, in all likelihood, there would be no FSN. It's important to FSN that those teams do well.

Likewise, those teams need the revenue they receive from FSN.

For FSN, it's a balancing act that requires constant fine tuning. Unfortunately, FSN lost its balance this week with its brief but gushing post-All-Star Game tribute to Kevin McClatchy that regularly appeared between innings of its coverage of Pirates games.

As a screen shows a shot of PNC Park, an announcer says, "An All Star thanks to the Pirates and Kevin McClatchy." As PNC fades, the screen shows, "Thank You Kevin McClatchy."

A bit much.

It's true McClatchy lobbied hard to get the game. And, once it was awarded the Pirates and the city carried out a near-flawless presentation. But overlooked in the thank you was the fact the game never would have been awarded to the Pirates, just 12 years after it previously had hosted it, if McClatchy's mismanagement of the franchise hadn't demanded it.

The only reason the Pirates got the All-Star Game was because the franchise was in a desperate -- and that's not too strong of a word -- need of a pick-me-up. The All-Star Game was a life preserver for the Pirates. But they weren't accidentally thrown overboard into the rough seas of competitive baseball. They got where they are -- the team with the worst record in the National League and with one of the most hopeless futures in MLB -- with mismanagement to the highest degree.

That doesn't deserve thanks, not even from an important corporate partner.

HometownGal
07-21-2006, 10:03 AM
I saw the commercial once and wanted to heave. I am normally not a Bob Smizik fan, as I think he is a jackass, but I can't disagree with anything he says in the above article.

How true....

They got where they are -- the team with the worst record in the National League and with one of the most hopeless futures in MLB -- with mismanagement to the highest degree.

X-Terminator
07-21-2006, 10:13 AM
I saw that commercial and laughed my ass off. McClatch-tard deserves nothing but a ticket on the first bus out of town, and take the other two Stooges with him.

BlackNGold203
07-21-2006, 10:21 AM
The commercial was...well....pretty bad....

But..Mclatchey is their client...so they chose to publicly kiss his ass...

Fox....FSN...just sucks....

Canning Mike Lange...and now a publicly stroking Mclatchey....

83-Steelers-43
07-21-2006, 10:32 AM
While I had absolutely no problem with the Lange firing, this commercial was pathetically done. Hell, thank the fans if anything. They are the ones that actually pay to watch that sorry excuse for a MLB team. McClatchy needs FSN just as much as FSN needs McClatchy.

83-Steelers-43
07-24-2006, 11:10 AM
Well after that brief 5-2 streak after the All-Star break, we have lost the final three. Kind of figured that wouldn't last very long.

If anybody cares at this point......our 26th one-run loss.

Mosca
07-24-2006, 11:29 AM
Listening to the Marlins feed on XM, you find out a lot of stuff about the Bucs that the home announcers might not tell you... for example, the Bucs lead the majors in grounding into double plays. There were more little tidbits, but that's the only one I can remember right now.

That game yesterday was really frustrating.

BlackNGold203
07-24-2006, 11:43 AM
Steelers report in 4 days.......

83-Steelers-43
07-25-2006, 07:19 AM
Steelers report in 4 days.......

Thank God. Yeah, the Pirates are starting to play very, very sloppy ball. Fundamentals and basics are out the window.

HometownGal
07-25-2006, 09:13 AM
Thank God. Yeah, the Pirates are starting to play very, very sloppy ball. Fundamentals and basics are out the window.

Last night the Pirates had 4 errors, Castillo having 2 himself. Add to that Duke's and Santos' horrendous pitching and you've got yourselves a butt kicking. The Pirates did try to come back, though, but fell short by 4 runs. Bay, Casey and Paulino had a good night at the plate, but when 17 men are LOB, you can't expect to win.

X-Terminator
07-25-2006, 09:41 AM
I don't know what the deal is with Castillo, but there have been WAY too many times where he's booted easy ground balls. He looks very lackadaisical out there at times, and it may be getting to the point where he needs to be benched for a few games. If you make errors trying to make a play, I can live with that. Lazy errors are unacceptable.

83-Steelers-43
07-25-2006, 10:06 AM
Castillo went on a tear there for a while (around the time of Bay's 7 game HR streak) and then after that he cooled down considerably. His defensive play this year compared to last year is inexplainably bad.

At the same time, Jack Wilson's defense has not looked much better compared to past seasons and his bat up until recently has been nonexistent.

Mosca
07-25-2006, 11:18 AM
17 left on base yesterday, and how many did they leave on base Sunday against the Marlins, 12 or 13? Disgusting.

lilyoder6
07-25-2006, 12:19 PM
maybe they should get barry next yr for the offense

83-Steelers-43
07-25-2006, 01:59 PM
Maybe we can sign Barry Bonds and have him play right field?

Then we can sign Ty Law and he can give Townsend a run for his money at the CB position?

Call up Gordie Howe and Bobby Orr for the Penguins.......I think I'm on to something here.

Main objective here: Get as many overpaid, used up, injury prone geriatrics on all our sports teams as possible.

HometownGal
07-25-2006, 02:32 PM
maybe they should get barry next yr for the offense

Hey - maybe they can coax Maz out of retirement and see if Bobby Robertson will come back at first base to replace Sean Casey when (unfortunately) he is traded. Wonder what Dave Parker is doing these days - maybe he could put his armor on to protect himself from battery throwing fans in RF. :dang:

HometownGal
07-26-2006, 07:09 AM
Very nice win for the Bucs last night and great pitching by Snell. Jeromy Burnitz had 2 homers and Freddy had yet another productive night with 2 hits and 2 RBIs. All 6 runs were batted in by Burnitz and Freddy. The bullpen was finally able to hold a lead! :bouncy:

83-Steelers-43
07-26-2006, 09:02 AM
On Castillo's defense......

Pirates Notebook: Castillo's defense on decline
Wednesday, July 26, 2006

By Paul Meyer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

MILWAUKEE -- Jose Castillo's defense created quite a stir last season.

It's doing the same thing this season, but in a far different way.

The Pirates' second baseman last season played like a Gold Glove would be his annually for years to come.

This season?

It almost sounds as if Castillo could be asked to lose weight in the offseason or change positions.

Monday night, Castillo was charged with two errors. And he created a third, charged to Jack Wilson, when he bobbled a probable double play ground ball in the third inning. That threw off the timing of the turn and resulted in Wilson making a low, off-balance throw past first base.

Castillo officially has 15 errors this season. Last year, he committed 12.

Why the difference?

"It's hard for me to answer that," said Jim Tracy, in his first season as the Pirates' manager. "I haven't seen what you guys have seen [in the past]. There's not much I can say about it. I can't really expound on it.

"At times, he shows you a lot of capability. He's a bigger player the last two years. This is a big man. Not heavy. He's becoming a big man."

And a shorter person.

In the Pirates' media guide last year, Castillo was listed at 6-1, 200 pounds. This year, he's listed as 6-0, 210.

So does he need to lose some weight? Is his current size more suited to playing third base?

"He's a big, powerful-looking big man," Tracy said without expounding.

BlackNGold203
07-26-2006, 09:18 AM
Has anyone noticed.....

Ronny Paulino...is quietly continuing to bat .311??
He also guns down baserunners on a regular basis.

Have we finally found a good steady catcher?

Does this kid even get mentioned in ROY discussions?

Mosca
07-26-2006, 10:42 AM
Yeah, I noticed. Question though, could he also be a reason our pitching is in the crapper? Not that he couldn't learn and become great, but is he not calling the games right?

I'm impressed with the kid's arm, though; he kept us in the game on Sunday, throwing out a guy to kill a rally.

Tom

BlackNGold203
07-29-2006, 09:55 PM
4-3 win over the G-men.....

4 game winning streak......

83-Steelers-43
07-29-2006, 10:24 PM
Hopefully Kip's outing the last night will be enough to trade him for something worthy. Nice to see him finally pitch a good game.

As for Paulino. I think that's your future catcher. I think he's the last problem when it comes to Pirate pitching.

Nice to see this team put four wins together for once.

BlackNGold203
07-29-2006, 10:32 PM
Whos's the NL ROY gonna be???

Paulino's hitting .315...and you see no press on this kid...

83-Steelers-43
07-29-2006, 10:40 PM
Paulino's hitting .315...and you see no press on this kid...

One reason why...............he's a Pirate. Sad but true.

Mosca
07-30-2006, 08:47 AM
As for Paulino. I think that's your future catcher. I think he's the last problem when it comes to Pirate pitching.

Glad to know that; not being local, I don't get to see or hear much about the games, the Bucs come to me as box scores and blurbs.


Tom

83-Steelers-43
07-30-2006, 09:10 AM
Glad to know that; not being local, I don't get to see or hear much about the games, the Bucs come to me as box scores and blurbs.


Tom

Also, Paulino is still young. There is no doubt he still has room to grow but he's learning pretty fast for playing in his first year.

BlackNGold203
07-30-2006, 06:50 PM
2-1 win over the Giants in 10 innings......

5 in a row.....WOW!!!

HometownGal
07-30-2006, 06:53 PM
Buccos win 2-1 in the 10th on a Hernandez double! :bouncy: Castillo homered in the 9th to tie the game at 1-1 and the Bucs just wouldn't give up - outstanding pitching and just a really good game! 10-6 since the All-Star break.:cool:

The Giants are our beee-otches this season. :sofunny: I attended the game last night and it was funny as hell hearing the left field fans heckling Barr-oid with chants of "You take steroids" - LOL! :sofunny: It was even better watching the lug strike out twice, once looking.

There were some rumors floating around PNC Park last night that Hernandez, Casey and Craig Wilson are more than likely going to be traded. I'll be so disappointed if they trade Casey - he's my favorite Bucco this season.

GO BUCS!

BlackNGold203
07-30-2006, 07:00 PM
Buccos win 2-1 in the 10th on a Hernandez double! :bouncy: Castillo homered in the 9th to tie the game at 1-1 and the Bucs just wouldn't give up - outstanding pitching and just a really good game! 10-6 since the All-Star break.:cool:

The Giants are our beee-otches this season. :sofunny: I attended the game last night and it was funny as hell hearing the left field fans heckling Barr-oid with chants of "You take steroids" - LOL! :sofunny: It was even better watching the lug strike out twice, once looking.

There were some rumors floating around PNC Park last night that Hernandez, Casey and Craig Wilson are more than likely going to be traded. I'll be so disappointed if they trade Casey - he's my favorite Bucco this season.

GO BUCS!

Hey there Gal..long time no talk......

Yeah..trade deadline is tomorrow...should be interesting

Jeremy
07-30-2006, 07:01 PM
Exellent effort by the boys since the break. I hope they can sustain this above .500 pave for the rest of the season and salvage something for next season.

Casey is still mentioned with Oakland in rumors. Craig Wilson has been linked to Anaheim and New York. Anaheim will be looking a little harder after the Orioles said no to a deal involing Tejada. New York might not be as anxious to deal now that Phillies have shipped their All Star right fielder to the Bronx.

BlackNGold203
07-30-2006, 07:04 PM
Yankees got their outfielder by snagging Abreu from the Phillies today....

Mosca
07-30-2006, 08:59 PM
Don't say it out loud, but are the Buccos on a streak?


Tom

BlackNGold203
07-30-2006, 09:05 PM
Don't say it out loud, but are the Buccos on a streak?


Tom

*whispers*....5 straight...yup...thats a streak

83-Steelers-43
07-31-2006, 08:18 AM
First time in two years....lol.

HometownGal
07-31-2006, 08:19 AM
*whispers*....5 straight...yup...thats a streak

Longest streak of the year for the Bucs. The difference has definitely been the pitching.

BlackNGold203
07-31-2006, 08:20 AM
Trade deadline day....let's see what happens.......

83-Steelers-43
07-31-2006, 08:23 AM
Trade deadline day....let's see what happens.......

Word around MLB is that Littlefield is asking too much for what he's willing to give up. Personally, I'm not expecting much. Randa, Burnitz, Hernandez, C. Wilson and even Casey are not exactly mouth watering for other teams in order for us to get that big impact type of player. Same story every year around this time. Trade these guys away and get a few minor league players that probably won't pan out in the long run. Just my two cents. We shall see.

83-Steelers-43
07-31-2006, 10:50 AM
Pirates trade Casey to Detroit
Monday, July 31, 2006

By Dejan Kovacevic, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Pirates today traded first baseman Sean Casey to the Detroit Tigers for minor-league reliever Brian Rogers.

Rogers, a 24-year-old right-hander, had a 2.39 ERA and one save in 37 bullpen appearances for Class AA Erie. He was the Tigers' 11th-round pick in the 2003 first-year player draft.

Casey, 32, batted .296 with three home runs and 29 RBIs in 59 games in his only season with the Pirates. He was the team's highest-paid player with a salary of $8.5 million, $1 million of that being covered by the Cincinnati Reds as part of the December trade that brought him to Pittsburgh. He is an Upper St. Clair native.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06212/710005-100.stm

X-Terminator
07-31-2006, 11:01 AM
Can someone please explain to me how Littlefield still has a friggin job? A double-A relief pitcher is the best he could get for Casey??? He would have been better off keeping him and giving him a contract extension, especially since they have no other first base prospects other than Brad Eldred, who lost this season due to injury. Unbelievable. But why should I even be surprised or upset? It's par for the course for this organization - dump salary and get no value in return just to save a few bucks.

83-Steelers-43
07-31-2006, 11:04 AM
But why should I even be surprised or upset? It's par for the course for this organization - dump salary and get no value in return just to save a few bucks.

You answered your own question.....lol.

Jeremy
07-31-2006, 11:07 AM
It's really not a horrible move. Casey is getting on in years and has a recent history of injury. This opens up at bats for Craig Wilson, assuming he's not traded today.

83-Steelers-43
07-31-2006, 11:11 AM
We've all seen what Craig Wilson can do when he get's at bats. Unless it's a fastball directly down the middle of the plate you have yourself a K. Sorry, I'm not a Craig Wilson fan. We can't say he hasn't been given chances while sporting a Pirate jersey.

X-Terminator
07-31-2006, 11:17 AM
Craig Wilson will probably NOT be traded now, and even if he is, they won't get much in return.

lilyoder6
07-31-2006, 11:27 AM
at least there not in last place anymore and they own the giants

Jeremy
07-31-2006, 11:28 AM
I supposse I'm not upset by this because I didn't see Casey being a part of the team's long-term future. And I'm not upset because his presence didn't translate into more victories on the field. It would be different if were in Milwaukee's place and we had just traded Casey like they traded Lee. That might get my dander up. But this is just a bad baseball team duping a veteran who didn't play in to their long term plans for the team.

BlackNGold203
07-31-2006, 11:37 AM
I like casey...at least he'll finally get to play in the playoffs....

I'm holding judgement....but...if they dont dump Burnitz...I'm gonna be screaming

HometownGal
07-31-2006, 12:07 PM
I thought for sure my boy Casey was going to the A's, but I'm glad he's going to Leyland's team. Leyland seems to get the most out of his players. I can't say I'm happy overall, as Sean Casey was my favorite Pirate - thank God I went to the game on Saturday night and got his bobble-head - LOL! :bouncy:

Burnitz has a lot of power and though he blasted the game winning HR on Saturday, I don't think he's come anywhere near to earning his huge salary this season. He KO's way too much for my liking, as does Craig Wilson (who is another one of my faves, so he'll probably be traded, too!)

Mosca
07-31-2006, 01:56 PM
A couple days ago on the Sports Illustrated website there was a chart showing which available players were playing above or below their replacement value, and what that value was relative to the player's salary. If I recall correctly, Sean Casey was playing well below his replacement value, and Craig Wilson was playing well above it.

Link: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/07/26/protrade.wednesday/index.html


Tom

BlackNGold203
07-31-2006, 03:48 PM
Per the PG.....Roberto Hernandez and Oliver Perez to the Mets for Xavier Nady.....

Looks like Kip Wells is on his way to Boston.......

83-Steelers-43
07-31-2006, 03:59 PM
Trade update: Pirates deal Casey, Hernandez, Perez
Monday, July 31, 2006

By Dejan Kovacevic, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Pirates today traded reliever Roberto Hernandez and minor-league starter Oliver Perez to the New York Mets for outfielder Xavier Nady. Earlier, they dealt first baseman Sean Casey to the Detroit Tigers for minor-league reliever Brian Rogers.

Also, general manager Dave Littlefield is engaged in talks with the Boston Red Sox on a deal that could send pitcher Kip Wells there in advance of Major League Baseball's 4 p.m. non-waiver trading deadline. It was not immediately clear who was being discussed in addition to Wells, but it is thought to involve several players.

Hernandez, 41, had a 2.96 ERA in 43 innings and, for the season's first two months, was the Pirates' best reliever.


Perez, 24, was 2-10 with a 6.63 ERA in 15 starts before being demoted to Class AAA Indianapolis last month, where he was 1-3 with a 5.63 ERA. He is expected to remain in the minors in the Mets' system.


Nady, 27, started 70 games for New York and batted .264 with 14 home runs and 40 RBIs. In four full seasons in the majors, his average is .263 with 39 home runs and 131 RBIs in 1,040 at-bats. His current home run total is a career high, and he is three RBIs short of his career high.


The Mets needed pitching because reliever Duaner Sanchez's shoulder was separated in a car accident yesterday.


Casey, 32, batted .296 with three home runs and 29 RBIs in 59 games in his only season with the Pirates. He was the team's highest-paid player with a salary of $8.5 million, $1 million of that being covered by the Cincinnati Reds as part of the December trade that brought him to Pittsburgh.


A native of Upper St. Clair, his stint in his hometown was shorter than many expected. The Pirates had sent strong signals as early as spring that they might sign him to a contract extension, with ownership clearing general manager Dave Littlefield to do so if he chose. But management shifted away from that in the past month.


For Casey, it is a chance to go from one of the worst teams in Major League Baseball to its best.


"I'm excited," Casey said. "I really enjoyed my time back home, although it didn't turn out exactly the way I would have drawn it up because of all the time I missed."


A back injury forced him to sit out six weeks in April and May.


"But I feel great about the opportunity that there is in Detroit, especially at this stage of my career. It's going to be great being in a pennant race."


With Casey gone, the pursuit of Colorado Rockies first baseman Ryan Shealy might gain importance.


Rogers, a 24-year-old right-hander, had a 2.39 ERA and one save in 37 appearances for Class AA Erie. He also had a strikeout-to-walk ratio of 69 to 14 in his 64 innings -- comparable to the Pirates' Matt Capps at that level -- and had given up an average of 0.98 walks and hits per innings, a figure considered excellent in a key statistic for relievers.


Rogers is not considered to have dominant material -- his fastball tops out below 90 mph, and his slider is his out pitch -- and was not ranked among Detroit's top 10 prospects by Baseball America entering the season. But his profile has risen gradually since he was converted from a starter to reliever going into 2005.


He was the Tigers' 11th-round pick in the 2003 first-year player draft, one year after he was named outstanding pitcher in the prestigious Cape Cod League.


Because of Rogers' experience level, the Pirates are not required to add him to the 40-man roster, which stands at 38.



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83-Steelers-43
07-31-2006, 04:08 PM
ESPN ticker broke the news that Craig Wilson was traded to the Yankees for Sean Chacon. Thank god.

83-Steelers-43
07-31-2006, 04:25 PM
This is awesome. We need bats and we go out and get pitching. Smart.

BlackNGold203
07-31-2006, 04:26 PM
This is awesome. We need bats and we go out and get pitching. Smart.



LOL......:sofunny:

BlackNGold203
07-31-2006, 04:28 PM
Pirates send Wells to Rangers
The Pirates sent right-hander Kip Wells to Texas on Monday to help the Rangers make a playoff push. In return, the Rangers sent minor league pitcher Jesse Chavez to Pittsburgh.
Wells, 29, was 1-5 with a 6.69 ERA in seven starts for the Pirates this season. During his five years with Pittsburgh, he compiled a record of 36-53 and a 4.20 ERA.

Chavez, 22, is 2-5 with four saves and a 4.43 ERA in 39 combined relief appearances this season between Double-A Frisco and Triple-A Oklahoma.

83-Steelers-43
07-31-2006, 04:29 PM
Pirates send Wells to Rangers
The Pirates sent right-hander Kip Wells to Texas on Monday to help the Rangers make a playoff push. In return, the Rangers sent minor league pitcher Jesse Chavez to Pittsburgh.
Wells, 29, was 1-5 with a 6.69 ERA in seven starts for the Pirates this season. During his five years with Pittsburgh, he compiled a record of 36-53 and a 4.20 ERA.

Chavez, 22, is 2-5 with four saves and a 4.43 ERA in 39 combined relief appearances this season between Double-A Frisco and Triple-A Oklahoma.

Do you have a link to that story by any chance? Sorry to be a pain in the arse. Thanks brother.

On that note, thank god Kip Wells is gone.

83-Steelers-43
07-31-2006, 04:33 PM
"WE WILL trade for minor league pitchers"..............that's the most truth I've heard out of that motto all season long.

BlackNGold203
07-31-2006, 04:38 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2535126

there ya go...gotta scroll down a bit...because the trade was so meaningless....lol

83-Steelers-43
07-31-2006, 04:41 PM
So this is basically what it boiled down to............



Trade update: Pirates deal 5, get Nady, Chacon
Monday, July 31, 2006

By Dejan Kovacevic, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Pirates today traded five players in advance of Major League Baseball's 4 p.m. non-waiver trading deadline:

*** Starter Kip Wells went to the Texas Rangers for minor-league reliever Jesse Chavez.

*** Reliever Roberto Hernandez and minor-league starter Oliver Perez went to the New York Mets for outfielder Xavier Nady.

*** First baseman Sean Casey went to the Detroit Tigers for minor-league reliever Brian Rogers.

*** First baseman-outfielder Craig Wilson went to the New York Yankees for starter Shawn Chacon.

The main return of the day was Nady, 27, who started 70 games for New York and batted .264 with 14 home runs and 40 RBIs. In four full seasons in the majors, his average is .263 with 39 home runs and 131 RBIs in 1,040 at-bats. His current home run total is a career high, and he is three RBIs short of his career high.

Chacon, 28, was 5-3 with a 7.00 ERA in 11 starts with the Yankees. A 6-foot-3 right-hander, he has a 36-51 career record.

Chavez, 22, had a 4.43 ERA in 39 appearances split between Class AA Frisco and Class AAA Oklahoma. He had 73 strikeouts and 28 walks in 61 innings.

Rogers, 24, is a right-hander who had a 2.39 ERA and one save in 37 appearances for Class AA Erie. He also had a strikeout-to-walk ratio of 69 to 14 in his 64 innings - comparable to the Pirates' Matt Capps at that level - and had given up an average of 0.98 walks and hits per innings, a figure considered excellent in a key statistic for relievers.

And of those departed:

Wells, 29, was 1-5 with a 6.69 ERA since returning from surgery to address a blocked artery. He had been with the Pirates since 2002 and was 36-53 in that time.

Hernandez, 41, had a 2.96 ERA in 43 innings and, for the season's first two months, was the Pirates' best reliever.

Perez, 24, was 2-10 with a 6.63 ERA in 15 starts before being demoted to Class AAA Indianapolis last month, where he was 1-3 with a 5.63 ERA. He is expected to remain in the minors in the Mets' system.

The Mets needed pitching because reliever Duaner Sanchez's shoulder was separated in a car accident yesterday.

Wilson, 29, was the longest-tenured player on the Pirates' roster, but he had been eager for a trade once it became clear the team would keep him on the bench this season. He batted .267 with 13 home runs and 41 RBIs in 255 at-bats. He has 94 career home runs, all with the Pirates.

Casey, 32, batted .296 with three home runs and 29 RBIs in 59 games in his only season with the Pirates. He was the team's highest-paid player with a salary of $8.5 million, $1 million of that being covered by the Cincinnati Reds as part of the December trade that brought him to Pittsburgh.

A native of Upper St. Clair, his stint in his hometown was shorter than many expected. The Pirates had sent strong signals as early as spring that they might sign him to a contract extension, with ownership clearing general manager Dave Littlefield to do so if he chose. But management shifted away from that in the past month.

For Casey, it is a chance to go from one of the worst teams in Major League Baseball to its best.

"I'm excited," Casey said. "I really enjoyed my time back home, although it didn't turn out exactly the way I would have drawn it up because of all the time I missed."

A back injury forced him to sit out six weeks in April and May.

"But I feel great about the opportunity that there is in Detroit, especially at this stage of my career. It's going to be great being in a pennant race."

83-Steelers-43
07-31-2006, 05:59 PM
Next step for Littlefield and McClatchy in order to keep that "WE WILL" slogan hot and heavy and that hope for that ever elusive over .500 season alive.....

We need to go out and sign at least five players for this team that over the age of 30 (prefer over 35) who are simply looking for a paycheck that they would never receive from any other ball team in MLB. It won't be Pirate baseball if that's not done.

Mosca
07-31-2006, 06:18 PM
We didn't give up anything, and Xavier Nady might be a steal. And if he isn't, we didn't give up anything but a bunch of last place guys.


Tom

83-Steelers-43
07-31-2006, 07:15 PM
We didn't give up anything, and Xavier Nady might be a steal. And if he isn't, we didn't give up anything but a bunch of last place guys.


Tom

I'm sure many would disagree. I happen to agree. Then again, I wasn't expecting much in these trades to begin with.

SteelCityMan786
07-31-2006, 08:36 PM
out of the players in trades. The Pirates need to sign Xavier. He's one heck of a player that can help the pirates for years to come.

Jeremy
07-31-2006, 09:05 PM
I'm going to wait and see how the lineup shakes out after all of this. I kind of like Nady and Chacon. Plus we don't really lose anyone huge.

We'll just have to see how they play for the rest of the season.

BlackNGold203
07-31-2006, 09:16 PM
Thank God we still have Burnitz!!!!!

Jeremy
07-31-2006, 09:37 PM
Thank God we still have Jason Bay, Freddy Sanchez, Paul Maholm, Zack Duke, Mike Gonzalez, Jose Castillo, etc.

Losing Kip Wells and Oliver Perez was kind of dissapointing, but it's pretty obvious that we're going to sink or swim with our young kids. And those young kids aren't too bad.

1B: ?
2B: Jose Catillo
3B: Jose Bautista
SS: Jack Wilson
LF: Jason Bay
CF: Xavier Nady
RF: Jeromy Burnitz

SP: Ian Snell
SP: Paul Maholm
SP: Tom Gorzelanny
SP: Zach Duke
SP: Shawn Chacon

It won't win any World Series, but it's not bad.

Mosca
07-31-2006, 10:31 PM
Thank God we still have Jason Bay, Freddy Sanchez, Paul Maholm, Zack Duke, Mike Gonzalez, Jose Castillo, etc.

Losing Kip Wells and Oliver Perez was kind of dissapointing, but it's pretty obvious that we're going to sink or swim with our young kids. And those young kids aren't too bad.

1B: ?
2B: Jose Catillo
3B: Jose Bautista
SS: Jack Wilson
LF: Jason Bay
CF: Xavier Nady
RF: Jeromy Burnitz

SP: Ian Snell
SP: Paul Maholm
SP: Tom Gorzelanny
SP: Zach Duke
SP: Shawn Chacon

It won't win any World Series, but it's not bad.


Uh, you mentioned Sanchez, but I don't see him on your list of really good young guys. But I agree with your point, absolutely. I think this team is getting pretty close... I think it's a better team for having trimmed those guys, and I think Nady is going to be pretty good.

I was thinking on the way home from work today; this ballclub really does have some good young talent. Bay, Paulino, Sanchez, Bautista, and now Nady. Castillo could come back around, too. All they need is to learn how to win.


Tom

Jeremy
07-31-2006, 11:09 PM
You can Freddy in as a utility guy. He'll play all over the diamond althought he could settle in at third if Bautista can make a mover over to first.

83-Steelers-43
07-31-2006, 11:14 PM
:dang:

Jeremy
07-31-2006, 11:52 PM
I root for the team and not the owners/GM. I learned my lesson when Andy, Jay, etc left town. I'm all about hoping the team on the field does well just to spite their cheap owners.

tony hipchest
07-31-2006, 11:53 PM
Uh, you mentioned Sanchez, but I don't see him on your list of really good young guys. But I agree with your point, absolutely. I think this team is getting pretty close... I think it's a better team for having trimmed those guys, and I think Nady is going to be pretty good.

I was thinking on the way home from work today; this ballclub really does have some good young talent. Bay, Paulino, Sanchez, Bautista, and now Nady. Castillo could come back around, too. All they need is to learn how to win.


Tomthey will learn how to win next year after they are traded to the yankees, redsox, ______________(enter competitive team here), etc.

83-Steelers-43
08-01-2006, 09:08 AM
Cook: Pirates still pathetic after trades
Tuesday, August 01, 2006

By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Pirates didn't trade Jason Bay for Armando Rios, Ryan Vogelsong and Jody Gerut yesterday.

That, right there, tells you they had a pretty good trade deadline day, at least by their shabby standards.

Not to be critical.

The team that is best known in recent years for giving away Aramis Ramirez at the trade deadline for absolutely nothing, yesterday dealt, essentially, Sean Casey, Craig Wilson, Kip Wells, Oliver Perez and Roberto Hernandez for outfielder Xavier Nady and pitcher Shawn Chacon.

OK, the Pirates got Nady.

From here, it looks like they just about broke even.

What? You think that was the '27 Yankees that general manager Dave Littlefield was breaking up? You think he was going to build the '61 Yankees with what he had to trade? You still can't believe the St. Louis Cardinals wouldn't give up Albert Pujols for Jeromy Burnitz?

Yeah, right.

The Pirates were an awful team yesterday.

They're still an awful team today.

Spare me the crying about the Pirates giving up on Perez so quickly. Yes, he led the majors in strikeouts per nine innings in 2004 at age 22. But what did he do in 2005 at 23? Other than show up for spring training out of pitching shape and then ruin his season by kicking a laundry cart? And what did he do this season at 24? That's right, he pitched his way back to the minors by going 2-10 with a 6.63 earned run average.

"I don't think it's a case of us giving up on Perez," Littlefield said. "We just feel like we have some depth with our left-handed starting pitchers. Ultimately, we made the decision [to trade Perez and Hernandez to the New York Mets] because we like Nady that much."

That makes one of us who is thrilled at having Nady.

His statistics are eerily similar to Wilson's.

Maybe that's a little unfair. Nady is two years younger and two years cheaper. He also strikes out a lot less and plays much better defense in the outfield and at first base. But for the trade to have an impact, Nady is going to have to play like Bay -- not Rios and Gerut -- and fill one of the huge holes the Pirates have in right field and at first base. We'll see.

Casey clearly wasn't going to be the answer at first. I know what you're thinking. The Pirates couldn't get more for a .300 hitter than a Class AA pitcher? No, actually. You remember what the Pirates gave up to get Casey last winter, don't you? Dave Williams, who's pitching in the minor leagues. Casey, playing a power position, hasn't hit a home run since May 31, a span of 171 at-bats. He's making $8.5 million this season and will be a free agent at the end of the year. He's also injury-prone.

If you want to knock Littlefield for not getting enough, knock him for the Wilson-for-Chacon deal with the New York Yankees. Chacon has been terrible this season. Wilson, at least, will hit a few home runs and get on base if you can tolerate all of the strikeouts, his below-average defense and the fact he'll be a free agent at the end of the season.

And if you want to fret about a trade, fret about the one that sent Wells to the Texas Rangers for a Class AAA pitching prospect. Of all the players Littlefield moved, Wells has the best chance of jumping up and biting him in the behind. Can you say Bronson Arroyo? Jason Schmidt? Esteban Loaiza? Jon Lieber?

The toughest part of Littlefield's job as a small-market general manager -- other than having to work for Kevin McClatchy and the Nuttings -- is he has only six seasons to decide on a player before the player can become a free agent. Not all pitchers develop in six years. Arroyo, Schmidt, Loaiza and Lieber didn't. Wells certainly hasn't. But just because Wells is 1-5 with a 6.69 ERA this season and was 8-18 last season doesn't mean he won't be 15-9 next season and 21-8 in 2008.

The Pirates weren't wrong for trading Wells -- they couldn't keep investing in him and getting so little in return -- but the deal should scare them to death.

"I don't want anyone to think this was an exciting day for me," Littlefield said when the dealing finally stopped. "I don't want to be in this situation, having to make trades. I want to win games. I want to be out there trying to acquire players because we're fighting for a playoff spot."

The only way this trade deadline day will help the Pirates get to that point is if Nady turns out to be a star.

Pardon me if I'm not holding my breath.

Pardon me if I can't get past Littlefield's lame track record, his trade for Bay aside.

Nothing really has changed for the Pirates.

It doesn't matter how many Caseys and Wilsons they delete or how many Nadys and Chacons they add, the only way this team is going to win anytime soon is if its young starting pitchers -- Zach Duke, Ian Snell, Paul Maholm and Tom Gorzelanny -- stay healthy, keep growing together and start pitching lights out at the same time.

You know, like Perez at 22.

Not like Perez at 23 and 24.

BlackNGold203
08-01-2006, 09:28 AM
Thank God we still have Jason Bay, Freddy Sanchez, Paul Maholm, Zack Duke, Mike Gonzalez, Jose Castillo, etc.

Losing Kip Wells and Oliver Perez was kind of dissapointing, but it's pretty obvious that we're going to sink or swim with our young kids. And those young kids aren't too bad.

1B: ?
2B: Jose Catillo
3B: Jose Bautista
SS: Jack Wilson
LF: Jason Bay
CF: Xavier Nady
RF: Jeromy Burnitz

SP: Ian Snell
SP: Paul Maholm
SP: Tom Gorzelanny
SP: Zach Duke
SP: Shawn Chacon

It won't win any World Series, but it's not bad.


Nady is gonna play 1st base.....watch.....

slide bautista into center....Sanchez into 3rd.....

Did I just read someone say that the leagues leading hitter should be a utility player???

GOD...the Mclatchey/Nutting/Littlefield disease is spreading.....

BlackNGold203
08-01-2006, 09:29 AM
Have I mentioned yet how relieved I am that we still have Burnitz???

And...WHEW...we didnt dump Randa!!!!

*mops up dripping sarcasm before someone slips and falls*

83-Steelers-43
08-01-2006, 09:34 AM
How in hell do you take Freddy Sanchez out of the lineup? Lloyd McClendon, is that you?

Nady at first.

Castillo at second.

Wilson at SS.

Sanchez at third.

Bay in left.

Bautista in center.

Unfortuately, Burnitz in right.

Paulino at catcher.

BlackNGold203
08-01-2006, 09:37 AM
How in hell do you take Freddy Sanchez out of the lineup?

Nady at first.

Castillo at second.

Wilson at SS.

Sanchez at third.

Bay in left.

Bautista in center.

Unfortuately, Burnitz in right.

Paulino at catcher.


Burnitz!!!....YAY!!!!!!!

(I gotta stop with the Burnitz crap)

*takes a valium and reads the training camp news to calm down*

Oh yeah..Paulino...that .315 hitting catcher no one talks about...he'll look great in a Red Sox jersey in a coupla years...dontchya think?

X-Terminator
08-01-2006, 02:19 PM
Unfortunately, you guys are all wrong about the lineup (well, partly anyway). Nady is going to play first. Chris Duffy and pitcher Josh Sharpless were recalled today, which means Bautista will be moving to RF.

So here's what I think the lineup will be:

CF Duffy/McLouth
SS Wilson
3B Sanchez
LF Bay
1B Nady
RF Bautista/Burnitz
C Paulino
2B Castillo
Pitcher

Jeremy
08-01-2006, 02:33 PM
That lineup is still not that much worse than what we've been seeing day in and day out to this point. If Jack Wilson, Jose Castillo, Jason Bay, were to have been traded I might be upset.

83-Steelers-43
08-01-2006, 04:15 PM
I don't think many are "upset" exactly. It's what's expected. If anybody was expecting a big bat/name for the players we had on the trade block, they are kidding themselves. Personally, I just wanted to see some bats (RF in particular) and not so many pitchers.

BlackNGold203
08-04-2006, 07:54 PM
Gorzelanny 8 shutout innings in a nice 6-0 win at Chicago....

Paulino 2-3 with a homer....

nice win

Jeremy
08-04-2006, 09:06 PM
They're actually coming around a little bit. It's nice to see them winning, even if the season is totally lost.

SteelCityMan786
08-05-2006, 06:02 PM
Build up for next year Is what I can say to them. And DON'T SUCK SO EARLY.

83-Steelers-43
08-09-2006, 08:38 PM
Chicon gives up two HR's in the first inning to make it 3-0 Astros. Second inning he gives up a 2 run homer to the pitcher to make it 5-0 Astros. Simply pathetic. I might as well call it now, I don't see next year being any different.

BlackNGold203
08-09-2006, 08:47 PM
Chicon gives up two HR's in the first inning to make it 3-0 Astros. Second inning he gives up a 2 run homer to the pitcher to make it 5-0 Astros. Simply pathetic. I might as well call it now, I don't see next year being any different.


yeah...like the Yanks would give up an ace.....

Another stellar trade....

83-Steelers-43
08-09-2006, 09:34 PM
10-0 Astros..........top of the 5th. This is beautiful.

Black@Gold Forever32
08-09-2006, 09:36 PM
10-0 Astros..........top of the 5th. This is beautiful.

Can somebody just put our Buccos out of their misery. I just would like for the Pirates to finish with a 500 record. I guess thats to much to ask. I will always be a Pirates fan though. I can't help it. But its time for this team to show some kind of life. I'm way tired of hearing about the 5 year plan. Its been a 14 year plan.

Koopa
08-09-2006, 09:52 PM
12-0 6th inning just began......i can't believe y'all let oswalt hit a home run. and then gave off back to back home runs in the bottom of the 5th

83-Steelers-43
08-09-2006, 10:00 PM
12-0 6th inning just began......i can't believe y'all let oswalt hit a home run. and then gave off back to back home runs in the bottom of the 5th

While I don't feel there is an excuse to give up a HR to a pitcher, I don't think we "let" Oswalt hit a home run. Then again, a $92,551,503 payroll compared to a $40,234,833 tends to make a difference when all is said and done. But I'll stop with the logical explanations....lol.

tony hipchest
08-11-2006, 11:26 PM
glad to see this thread dying down (only because it means that football season is that much closer)

but it deserves the mention that the pirates are now only 30 games below .500 after easilly defeating the evil cardinals 7-1!

yipee!

in other (and much more relevant news) the steelers play the cardinals tomorrow!

BlackNGold203
08-13-2006, 05:31 PM
As lousy as this season is.....

A 3 game sweep of the 1st place Cardinals is somewhat impressive.....

Its always pleasurable to see Tony Larussa get knocked down several pegs....

:cool: :cool:

Jeremy
08-13-2006, 05:31 PM
They certainly came alive this weekend didn't they?

Jeremy
08-14-2006, 11:32 PM
4 in a row now. But Jack might be hurt....that's some potential bad news.

BlackNGold203
08-16-2006, 12:50 PM
OK....this afternoon's game against the Brewers.....

Joe Randa is hitting cleanup...

Sorry...I....

Oh nevermind......


:lost: :lost: :lost: :lost:

83-Steelers-43
08-16-2006, 03:34 PM
For the Kip Wells lovers out there.......the Rangers put him on the 15 day DL yesterday (foot).

What good is paying a pitcher if he can't stay healthy?

83-Steelers-43
08-24-2006, 05:42 PM
Jose Hernandez is finally gone for some cash (Phillies). This is the really great part though....you ready? Tracy plans on bringing him back next season. I love it. :rolleyes:

BlackNGold203
08-24-2006, 06:30 PM
Jose Hernandez is finally gone for some cash (Phillies). This is the really great part though....you ready? Tracy plans on bringing him back next season. I love it. :rolleyes:

I have a question...

All the money saved at the trade deadline...and the "cash" for Hernandez....where did all that money go?

83-Steelers-43
08-24-2006, 06:45 PM
I have a question...

All the money saved at the trade deadline...and the "cash" for Hernandez....where did all that money go?

In our "farm system" silly. You heard McClatchy!!! :rolleyes:

BlackNGold203
08-24-2006, 08:21 PM
In our "farm system" silly. You heard McClatchy!!! :rolleyes:

Ahhh...the "farm system"...those two new teams.....

Maclatchey national bank
Nuttings savings and loan

Mosca
08-26-2006, 12:15 PM
Sports illustrated.com ranks 8 underachieving teams of 2006:

"7. Pirates. There are reasons general partner Kevin McClatchy turned into a hermit at the All-Star festivities. For one, it was no time to be festive. For another, he didn't want to have to explain why his seemingly improved team had virtually the same record as the Royals.

"This has to be hard on a newspaper owner like McClatchy, who's used to turning out garbage while paying his workers peanuts and still making big profits. Unfortunately for him, the standards are a tad higher in baseball. Word is, a frustrated McClatchy may recede even further into the background and allow others, such as chairman Bob Nutting, to take a more active role.

"Whoever's in charge has to realize they haven't given GM Dave Littlefield enough working capital and need to give him a little more time. (The current word is that they will.) Even if the team's not yet contender material, it should be a lot better than this; it drastically underachieved in Jim Tracy's first season.

"If Littlefield did make a mistake, maybe it was letting Pittsburgh's hometown hero Jim Leyland, whom he worked with in Florida, go to Detroit."

Link to article (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jon_heyman/08/25/scoop.friday/index.html)


Tom

BlackNGold203
08-26-2006, 08:04 PM
HEY!!!...we arent underachieving!!!

Oh..wait...yes we are....

:cool: :cool:

83-Steelers-43
08-30-2006, 09:16 AM
Even though he is no longer on this team. Kip Wells is officially done for the year.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/4150785.html

HometownGal
08-30-2006, 09:43 AM
What a comeback for the Bucs last night! Down 4-0 in the 5th, they rallied and won it in the 11th inning on a bases-loaded walk! Way to hang in there Buccos!:bouncy: :bouncy:

That's a shame about Kip Wells, 83. I hope he can rehab that foot in the offseason and come back better than ever. I was sad to see him go.

BlackNGold203
08-30-2006, 09:44 AM
Even though he is no longer on this team. Kip Wells is officially done for the year.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/4150785.html


cant remember...did we get anything for him other than a bat rack...and maybe a new water fountain?

83-Steelers-43
08-30-2006, 09:46 AM
cant remember...did we get anything for him other than a bat rack...and maybe a new water fountain?

Minor-league reliever Jesse Chavez.

Mosca
08-30-2006, 09:48 AM
I thought I'd take this opportunity to mention that all the Bucs need is a 29 game win streak to end the season, and they'll finish at .500...

Beat 'em Bucs! One game at a time, one game at a time... .500, here we come!


Tom

BlackNGold203
08-30-2006, 09:48 AM
Minor-league reliever Jesse Chavez.

OK..scratch the bat rack.....:cool: :cool:

83-Steelers-43
08-30-2006, 09:51 AM
OK..scratch the bat rack.....:cool: :cool:

Rumor has it he already kicked the bat rack and broke his toe. :bouncy:

Mosca
08-31-2006, 10:31 AM
One down, 28 to go! LET'S GO BUCS!

BlackNGold203
08-31-2006, 11:11 AM
One down, 28 to go! LET'S GO BUCS!

to be more realistic....

we need to go 10-18 so we dont lose 100 games...

I think that's doable.....:cool: :cool:

Mosca
09-06-2006, 02:50 PM
Don't look now, but the BUX have broken out of the cellar!

EDIT: And at 26-23, they also have the best record in the division since the All Star break!


Tom

Mosca
09-08-2006, 01:28 PM
And in all the excitement of yesterday's Steelers game, it might be understandable that we overlooked the fact that THE BUX BROKE OUT OF THE CELLAR, AGAIN.


Tom

83-Steelers-43
09-08-2006, 01:50 PM
Oh.......are they still playing?