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03-07-2006, 02:40 PM
ok what do you guys think will this thing get done or are we going to be looking at a 94.5 cap this year and next have no cap and they site 2008 out or what?
I dont think it will get done and we the funs are going to get screwed in 2008
03-08-2006, 12:49 AM
Nick Eatman, of DallasCowboys.com, reports despite more than eight hours of meetings between NFL owners Tuesday, March 7, at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, there is no new labor deal. The league was expected to end talks around 10 p.m. (CST) without a vote on the NFL Players Association's latest proposal. Joe Brown, NFL executive vice president of communications, said that vote now will occur at some point Wednesday, March 8, after the two sides resume talks here early in the morning. "We're moving along," Dallas Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones said during a short recess from the meetings Tuesday night. "But it wouldn't be right to discuss everything that Paul (Tagliabue) has said here today." New York Giants executive vice president Steve Tisch said Tagliabue has been rather blunt in getting his points across. The biggest holdup continues to be the difference in revenue allocation to the players and revenue sharing among the owners. The players have wanted 60 percent of the league's revenue, but recently lowered their proposal to 59.5 percent. The owners have not changed their initial offer of 56.2 percent.
56.2% of revune sharing sounds like alot to me. Is that 56.2% split among all players in the league? What is the precentage one (1) player would get and would ALL players qualify?
03-08-2006, 12:16 PM
Tagliabue's impassioned plea gives owners pause
GRAPEVINE, Texas -- For the first three hours of Tuesday's crucial NFL owners meeting here, everything was informational. Commissioner Paul Tagliabue and others detailed the six-year proposal from the NFL Players Association that commanded 59.5 percent of team revenues. Like patients receiving medicine, the owners took the bad news dose by dose.
Labor costs were much higher than expected. Provisions in the deal irritated owners and front-office people alike. Few liked what they heard.
The tone of the meeting changed when the subject turned to revenue sharing, a problem within the league that has been getting worse for the past two years. In response to a question, Tagliabue stood up and delivered what some considered to be the best speech in his term as commissioner.
Remember, Tagliabue isn't taking a position -- publicly or privately -- on whether owners should accept or reject the players' proposal. His agreement with NFLPA executive director Gene Upshaw was to present the union's final proposal to the full body of owners, even though he knows the cost it carries is probably higher than what the owners are willing to accept.
Yet, during Tagliabue's answer that turned into a speech, he emphasized the importance of walking out of this meeting Wednesday with some kind of a deal. He knows Upshaw is done negotiating. The union granted the owners a three-day reprieve for the start of free agency so they can decide if this deal is acceptable.
But Tagliabue's words hit home.
"I think he has made it very clear to me and the other owners that the future of labor relations, player relations, union relations are going to be decided in 24 hours," Giants co-owner Steve Tisch said. "I never heard Paul more opinionated and more animated and committed and passionate as he was tonight. I'm extremely impressed with his positioning, his leadership and his passion, which really came up in the afternoon sessions."
Owners wouldn't repeat Tagliabue's words, but they were apparent. Negotiations with the union are done. The players were willing to reject the NFL's last proposal and start free agency Sunday night. The league was heading toward an uncapped 2007 and a possible lockout in 2008 had someone not done something.
Though Tagliabue didn't want to take the union's proposal to the owners, it was the only way to salvage the salary cap and labor peace. He got all the owners to Dallas and into the same room on Tuesday. On Wednesday, either the NFL will come up with a revenue-sharing plan to make the union's proposal work, or free agency will start at 12:01 a.m. Thursday and the league's labor problems will escalate.
Tagliabue made it clear that at this point there is no more negotiating with the union. If the owners accept the proposal before 8 p.m. ET Wednesday, free agency will start at 12:01 a.m. Friday. If there is no acceptance, free agency will start Thursday as scheduled and 2006 will be perhaps the last year in NFL history with a salary cap.
Once Tagliabue made his speech, the lobbying began. Votes need to be sold. High-revenue teams have to sign off on a revenue-sharing plan that will cost them money. Low-revenue teams have to be convinced that the plan will keep their franchises financially solvent.
Tagliabue summed up history and the future with one long, well-narrated answer. Half the owners in the room are new to the league since the 1980s. They didn't go through the NFL's labor problems in the 1970s and '80s. They didn't own teams when the NFL and NFLPA forged a salary cap agreement from years of lawsuits and one painful settlement. In the '80s, the NFL almost lost a season like hockey did last year.
Upshaw and Tagliabue get along well and can negotiate deals together, but they aren't going to be around forever. Tagliabue's contract is running out, and he might retire before long. Upshaw has two years remaining on his deal.
If the NFL lets the salary cap disappear, it might be impossible to bring it back, because Upshaw and Tagliabue might not be there to fix it.
These are 24 of the most critical hours in the league's history.
"Paul as been a tremendous communicator," Tisch said. "He has really given Gene's benefits of the deal to the owners. I'm sure afterward, a number of owners will have an opinion. You know, like any other negotiation, when the clock gets to 11:59, I think things get pretty close."
Some owners were getting optimistic vibes from the room that something could pass before Wednesday night. Others, like Bob McNair of the Houston Texans, were pessimistic.
"There's a lot of work to do," he said.
"I'm sold we negotiated the best we can under the circumstances," Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said earlier Tuesday. "So I think we ought to take a look at this thing at its face value."
Here are a few other provisions of the deal:
? Teams will be able to use their franchise tag on a player more than once, but if they franchise a player for a third time, they will have to do it at a salary equivalent to that of a top-five quarterback, the highest-paid position in football.
? Contracts for players selected in rounds two through seven of the draft will be limited to four years in length. More and more teams have been trying to lock second-day draft choices into five-year contracts that prevent the player from hitting restricted free agency after year three and unrestricted free agency after year four.
? Bonuses in contracts will be prorated over five years this year and over six years in 2007, but in 2008 the proration reverts to five years.
The Tuesday meeting ended at 10:15 p.m. ET, completing more than eight hours of talks. No vote was taken, and most of the evening was spent discussing at least three different revenue sharing plans, plans that have been discussed for years.
Raiders owner Al Davis joked that a lot of people were in the room "giving money away." While the discussion was good, no revenue-sharing deal was close to settled.
"Whenever you discuss revenue sharing, it's like Groundhog Day," Colts owner Jim Irsay said.
Steelers owner Dan Rooney was asked if there was any progress as the meeting ended. "Nothing worth talking about," he said.
Talks resumed at 9 a.m. ET Wednesday, giving the owners 11 hours to get word back to the NFLPA about whether they accept the proposal or not.
One thing is clear: There will be no extensions past Wednesday.
John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com
03-08-2006, 06:02 PM
GRAPEVINE, Texas (AP) -- The NFL delayed another deadline on Wednesday.
A little more than two hours before the latest deadline to accept or turn down the NFL Players Association's offer to extend the labor agreement, the owners pushed it back again. This time they extended the deadline for teams to get under the salary cap by two hours, from 9 p.m. EST until 11 p.m.
With that, the owners kept talking as they tried to resolve the sticky issue of expanded revenue sharing that has tied them up for two years. The additional money it would generate is considered the best way the owners can accede to the union's request for just less than 60 percent of the league's total revenues.
NFL spokesman Joe Browne, in announcing the deadline change, said it was made to give additional time to reach agreement on the complicated plans on which they are working. The 8 p.m. EST deadline for informing the union whether the owners accept or reject their proposal stands, although there was some question whether the league might be switching time zones -- Gene Upshaw, the executive director of the players union was in Hawaii, where 8 p.m. would be 1 a.m EST.
The owners' marathon meeting started Tuesday and ended with labor peace nowhere in sight.
Earlier Wednesday, there was still clearly no consensus.
Jerry Jones of Dallas, the leader of the group opposing revenue sharing, said he was dismayed by developments. Indianapolis' Jim Irsay, one of the spokesmen for the low-revenue teams that want help from the richer teams suggested the league needed a consensus builder like the late Wellington Mara of the New York Giants, the last of the NFL's founding generation, who died last October.
"We need the ghost of St. Wellington to appear with some of the forefathers," Irsay said.
Despite the latest delay, free agency, twice delayed, is still scheduled to begin Thursday at 12:01 a.m. EST if owners turn down the union's offer. If they approve it, free agency will start Friday.
Meanwhile, there was as much lobbying going on as discussion.
At the lunch break, Mara's son John, along with Jerry Richardson of Carolina and Pat Bowlen of Denver met with commissioner Paul Tagliabue in an attempt to find a way to build a consensus. All three are considered "league" men, owners who will do what they think is best for the league, something Tagliabue urged during Tuesday's session.
They seemed to be aligned, somewhat surprisingly, with Oakland's Al Davis, a maverick with a long history of court fights with the league. "I love my country and I love my league," Davis said repeatedly
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