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whatdoiknow
09-29-2010, 01:19 AM
.....And that is PLEASE put Antonio Brown back for Punt returns against Baltimore.
Look I know this sounds repetitive but, field position will be crucial in this game. And as much as I DO Love Randle El, he just is NOT a good punt returner anymore.
And a KEY to this game is the fact that the Ravens punter, Sam Koch has one of the WORST punting averages in the game at only 40.4 per punt average, and a net of 36.
And he is not really a high hang time punter either. If our defense can force a few punts inside Baltimores 20 Yd line, then I feel the younger and quicker Brown might be a great advantage for getting good starting field position. But someone has GOT to tell Tomlin this. Cause he keeps placing El back there. And El is NOT the Punt return threat that Antonio is.


We need to take advantage of every possible Raven weakness that there is. And Sam Koch IS a weakness we can exploit. I really hope to see Brown as our Punt Returner on Sunday.

mikegrimey
09-29-2010, 01:49 AM
You might get your wish but I wouldn't count on it. I don't know why Tomlin isn't putting Brown back there but he may be afraid there's a chance of him fumbling or making a hot-dog rookie decision to return a punt inside the 5 or something like that. I got no clue just speculating. He did return one against Tennessee, maybe he'll get a couple of chances.
I don't think anyone is really impressed with Randle El's returns. The only real positive thing you can say is he hasn't fvcked up royally on them.

SH-Rock
09-29-2010, 06:55 AM
The reason he doesn't put Brown is because he's a rookie. Steeler rookies don't farewell punt returning and with Big Ben gone there has to minimum mistakes. So they use ARe who has sure hands and has a less chance to fumble. Expect Brown to punt vs the Browns

steelerchad
09-29-2010, 07:11 AM
.....And that is PLEASE put Antonio Brown back for Punt returns against Baltimore.
Look I know this sounds repetitive but, field position will be crucial in this game. And as much as I DO Love Randle El, he just is NOT a good punt returner anymore.
And a KEY to this game is the fact that the Ravens punter, Sam Koch has one of the WORST punting averages in the game at only 40.4 per punt average, and a net of 36.
And he is not really a high hang time punter either. If our defense can force a few punts inside Baltimores 20 Yd line, then I feel the younger and quicker Brown might be a great advantage for getting good starting field position. But someone has GOT to tell Tomlin this. Cause he keeps placing El back there. And El is NOT the Punt return threat that Antonio is.


We need to take advantage of every possible Raven weakness that there is. And Sam Koch IS a weakness we can exploit. I really hope to see Brown as our Punt Returner on Sunday.

I think you answered your own question when you said field position is important. It's risk/reward. I don't think he has the confidence that Brown won't make a mistake. Fumbling a punt and setting up the Ravens in scoring position could cost us this game because I don't think they can drive the length of the field for a TD on our defense.

I think Tomlin will go the safe route with an experienced returner who probably won't break the big one, but should field all the punts cleanly.

Atlanta Dan
09-29-2010, 08:16 AM
You may see Brown back on punts when Roethlisberger returns - for now there is minimal margin for error and Tomlin does not want turnovers that startdrives for the opposing team inside the Steelers 40

A muffed punt at the wrong time can turn a season - Coach Cowher's attempt to turn Ricardo Coclough into a punt returner was a major contributing factor to killing the 2006 season when Coclough fumbled a punt late in the week 3 game against Cincinnati which the Steelers had been winning through forcing the Benglas to go the length of the field for scores until that time

But i agree Randle El is used up - in addition to needing a spark with the punt returns, Brown or Sanders need to step up to get some speed at the #3 WR position

lionslicer
09-29-2010, 09:19 AM
If Brown dropped a put and it went for a touchdown you'd change your mind lol. Its Rare to see Randle El muff a punt. If the team was leading by a good amount or down by a significant amount, Brown would be back there, but to not risk a rookie losing the game for the team, I'd rather see Randle El fair catch it.

kiuaswarrior
09-29-2010, 10:12 AM
The reason he doesn't put Brown is because he's a rookie. Steeler rookies don't farewell punt returning and with Big Ben gone there has to minimum mistakes. So they use ARe who has sure hands and has a less chance to fumble. Expect Brown to punt vs the Browns

This guy nailed it.

ARE will be in against the Ravens, because that's all we'll need is a fumble on a punt return that will cost us a close hard fought division game.

steeltheone
09-29-2010, 10:23 AM
Tomlin always sticks with the vets. In some cases to a fault.

tmacsteelerfan
09-29-2010, 10:28 AM
I hate Randle El as a returner, but we need to play safe and go with the sure hands and not risk a muffed punt. Does anybody remember Randle El's first year as a returner and how he fielded punts? He caught the ball with his arms fully extended up in the air, instead of letting the ball come to his chest. Just seeing if anyone remebers.

whatdoiknow
09-29-2010, 11:43 AM
Sorry guys but all this talk of Brown not being back there cause he is a rookie, or he some how does not have " Sure " hands is complete nonsense. Antonio was maybe the best Punt returner/Kick returner in all of college football for the last 15 to 20 years. And catching a punt in college is absolutely NO different then in the Pros...I mean a Ball is a Ball. The Steelers have a LONG history of letting rookies be their punt returners. And as far as what someone said about " Rico Suave Colclough " being a punt returner, and having fumbling Issues. Well Rico was NEVER a punt returner here. He was on Kick-offs, but that's really it.


Bottom line, Tomlin IS a confirmed Idiot if he keeps El back there. El was washed up as a PR while still in Washington. But this talk about how Steelers don't like to use Rookie PR's is ridiculous.....Willie Reid, Santonio Holmes, Hank Poteat,,Rod Woodson,,hell, Randle El,,ect,,ect,,and ect!


Antonio is an " ELITE " Weapon. Even a better overall player than Emmanuel Sanders will EVER be! He is a Game changer type of returner. And playing El back there over him is the EXACT same thing as starting Thaddeus Gibson at OLB over James Harrison...the EXACT same thing.


Period!!

lionslicer
09-29-2010, 11:53 AM
Sorry guys but all this talk of Brown not being back there cause he is a rookie, or he some how does not have " Sure " hands is complete nonsense. Antonio was maybe the best Punt returner/Kick returner in all of college football for the last 15 to 20 years. And catching a punt in college is absolutely NO different then in the Pros...I mean a Ball is a Ball. The Steelers have a LONG history of letting rookies be their punt returners. And as far as what someone said about " Rico Suave Colclough " being a punt returner, and having fumbling Issues. Well Rico was NEVER a punt returner here. He was on Kick-offs, but that's really it.


Bottom line, Tomlin IS a confirmed Idiot if he keeps El back there. El was washed up as a PR while still in Washington. But this talk about how Steelers don't like to use Rookie PR's is ridiculous.....Willie Reid, Santonio Holmes, Hank Poteat,,Rod Woodson,,hell, Randle El,,ect,,ect,,and ect!


Antonio is an " ELITE " Weapon. Even a better overall player than Emmanuel Sanders will EVER be! He is a Game changer type of returner. And playing El back there over him is the EXACT same thing as starting Thaddeus Gibson at OLB over James Harrison...the EXACT same thing.


Period!!

Actually it is different. Players in the NFL are a lot faster running down the field, a lot of rookies wont call fair catches and tend to get hit as soon as they catch the ball.
Also college special team players are not good tacklers. Think of the worst tackler in the NFL, a college special team player is worse than that. Some coaches put starters on special teams, Polamalu was on special teams when he was the starter, but many don't.

And I'm sure the special teams coach picks who returns. Head coaches would only make a decision in that area if during a game a player had a really bad play. Brown seems to be returning when the team punting is deep in their territory. Randle El is back there when the punt would like land inside the Steeler's 40. Atleast I noticed this in the first 2 games, I really didn't pay attention in the Bucs game.

Atlanta Dan
09-29-2010, 12:27 PM
. And as far as what someone said about " Rico Suave Colclough " being a punt returner, and having fumbling Issues. Well Rico was NEVER a punt returner here. He was on Kick-offs, but that's really it.

http://files.pittsburghlive.com/photos/2006-09-25/0925BENGALS-a.JPG

The ball bounces away from Pittsburgh Steelers punt returner Ricardo Colclough, left, as Cincinnati Bengals' Harana-Daze Jone (44) comes downfield in the fourth quarter of the Bengals 28-20 win of the football game in Pittsburgh on Sunday, Sept. 24, 2006. The Bengals recovered the ball and took the lead with a touchdown on the next play. Steelers' Anthony Smith (27) is at right

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/photo_94241.html?TB_iframe=true&height=460&width=720

dupaloop
09-29-2010, 12:34 PM
HAhahahahaa Someone just got dominated hahahaha

LukesDad88
09-29-2010, 12:37 PM
Thank you for confirming you do not know what you are talking about

http://files.pittsburghlive.com/photos/2006-09-25/0925BENGALS-a.JPG

The ball bounces away from Pittsburgh Steelers punt returner Ricardo Colclough, left, as Cincinnati Bengals' Harana-Daze Jone (44) comes downfield in the fourth quarter of the Bengals 28-20 win of the football game in Pittsburgh on Sunday, Sept. 24, 2006. The Bengals recovered the ball and took the lead with a touchdown on the next play. Steelers' Anthony Smith (27) is at right

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/photo_94241.html?TB_iframe=true&height=460&width=720


I've seen plenty of places where that has been confirmed.

Is Sanders active for the Ravens game? If so, there's a good chance Brown won't even be dressed.

LukesDad88
09-29-2010, 12:45 PM
Hey, good news! I just ran into Tomlin at the grocery store. I gave him your message just like you asked. Tomlin looked shocked for a couple minutes, then muttered "Field Position......Didn't think of that" and ran out the door, leaving his cart full of Hostess Suzy Q's (I had him pegged for a Ho-Ho man, myself) just sitting in the midlle of the aisle. He then poked his head backthrough the door and hollered "Who told you this again?" And I answered "whatdoIknow". He replied "You sure as heck better know, because I'm basing the whole gameplan off your suggestion!"

So good luck. Win or lose, it's all on your shoulders, now!

cloppbeast
09-29-2010, 12:53 PM
Hey, good news! I just ran into Tomlin at the grocery store. I gave him your message just like you asked. Tomlin looked shocked for a couple minutes, then muttered "Field Position......Didn't think of that" and ran out the door, leaving his cart full of Hostess Suzy Q's (I had him pegged for a Ho-Ho man, myself) just sitting in the midlle of the aisle. He then poked his head backthrough the door and hollered "Who told you this again?" And I answered "whatdoIknow". He replied "You sure as heck better know, because I'm basing the whole gameplan off your suggestion!"

So good luck. Win or lose, it's all on your shoulders, now!

:applaudit:

I know it's just past lunch time, but this is by far the highlight of my day so far.

Thank you for making my day!

whatdoiknow
09-29-2010, 12:57 PM
Dan, first of all I never said Rico NEVER returned a punt. He did 1 time as a rookie, and he got I think 13 yards. And that Bengal punt fumble happened in Colclough 3rd year, when he hadn't returned a punt in 3 years since the ONE he had in his rookie year...NOT the same thing. Rico was primarily a Kickoff returner. And my point was that the Steelers have a LONG HISTORY of letting rookies with LESS pedigree at returning punts then Brown has. So this argument that the Steelers don't want a rookie back there taking Punts is a STUPID and ridiculous Point!

cloppbeast
09-29-2010, 01:03 PM
So this argument that the Steelers don't want a rookie back there taking Punts is a STUPID and ridiculous Point!

He didn't say the Steelers don't want rookies returning punts, he said Tomlin doesn't want rookies returing punts.

To the best of my memory, this seems correct. I can't remember Tomlin ever having a rookie return punts, except for return specialist Logan. He was only a rookie in the NFL, but had been playing football professionally for a while.

whatdoiknow
09-29-2010, 01:09 PM
Tomlin has only been here a couple of years. We already had punt returners at that time, or we didn't take an obvious punt return specialist in any of his drafts before this draft. Bottom line is that Brown is a better weapon back there. And catching a punt in college is no different then catching it in the pros. And Brown has the experience to know that IF a punt is a high hangin punt, he will call for the fair catch. A Vet has no more chance of doing that then a rookie does.

Atlanta Dan
09-29-2010, 01:55 PM
Dan, first of all I never said Rico NEVER returned a punt. He did 1 time as a rookie, and he got I think 13 yards. And that Bengal punt fumble happened in Colclough 3rd year, when he hadn't returned a punt in 3 years since the ONE he had in his rookie year...NOT the same thing. Rico was primarily a Kickoff returner. And my point was that the Steelers have a LONG HISTORY of letting rookies with LESS pedigree at returning punts then Brown has. So this argument that the Steelers don't want a rookie back there taking Punts is a STUPID and ridiculous Point!

You said Coclough was "NEVER" a punt returner

In response, I posted a picture of Colclough fumbling the punt in the 2006 Bengals game to which I had referred in my earlier post.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not to his own facts

whatdoiknow
09-29-2010, 02:02 PM
You said Coclough was "NEVER" a punt returner

In response, I posted a picture of Colclough fumbling the punt in the 2006 Bengals game to which I had referred in my earlier post.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not to his own facts



Dan. Sorry but I thought you would know I meant that Ricardo was never a REGULAR punt returner. He has 5 total in his career. 1 in his rookie year, and 4 in his 3rd year, which is where that fumble happened. Brown has more than 300 Punt returns to his college credit. The guy makes Devon Hester and Joshua Cribbs look like total " SCRUBS "


Oh yeah, I can see Tomlin's logic in keeping him off the field ( Sarcasm )

cloppbeast
09-29-2010, 03:20 PM
A Vet has no more chance of doing that then a rookie does.

Do you have any emperical evidence to pack up this statement? I'd like to see it if you do. Otherwise, just stfu because nobody cares.

pancake
09-29-2010, 03:27 PM
If Brown dropped a put and it went for a touchdown you'd change your mind lol. Its Rare to see Randle El muff a punt. If the team was leading by a good amount or down by a significant amount, Brown would be back there, but to not risk a rookie losing the game for the team, I'd rather see Randle El fair catch it.

My thought too... :thumbsup:

mikegrimey
09-29-2010, 08:00 PM
The whole panic-drive fear of this WhatdoIknow's argument reminds me of the Dixon fanatic who started the thread "Dixon absolutley HAS to be our starter" beause of his play in the first pre-season game. I think that guy got banned, but he got his wish anyway, and we all saw how that went.

Anyway, I'm sure if Brown isn't out there for a lot of returns the coaches have a real reason for it.

rich4eagle
09-29-2010, 08:11 PM
Great thread, meanwhile I go with ...........making things happen.........if that is Brown so be it..............conservatism always losing in the long run unless you strategic advantage..............

there is no strategic advantage in football

lionslicer
09-29-2010, 08:19 PM
Great thread, meanwhile I go with ...........making things happen.........if that is Brown so be it..............conservatism always losing in the long run unless you strategic advantage..............

there is no strategic advantage in football

90% of football is half mental

rich4eagle
09-29-2010, 08:22 PM
90% of football is half mental

ZOOM what is said ZOOMED over yur head............and yeah football is 80% MENTAL AS ALL ENDEAVORS............IN THIS CASE DUMB THINKING BETTER THAN DUMBERS

scsteeler
09-29-2010, 08:36 PM
Wow we are 3-0 and we have all these people that know more about coaching a NFL Team than Tomlin.

There is a reason he is coaching! Tomlin see's Brown all week during practice and is most likely doing what is best for the team. Everyone is calling for this change but if he does this and all of a sudden we give up 7 points from a bone head play by a young return guy and maybe lose a game then those KNOW IT ALLS WILL SAY HE IS THE COACH AND EVEN THOUGH I SUGGESTED IT HE SHOULD KNOW BY PRACTICE THEY BROWN COULD MAKE THOSE MISTAKES.


Some fans are never satisfied. Points were a rare commodity until this past week and playing mistake free football was key in helping us to win.

Tomlin you keep on being the coach you are!! :tt02::tt02::tt02:

Corey120120
09-30-2010, 08:10 PM
I say that we put Brown in when were winning, just to see how well if he does, if he makes mistakes then we will know that Randle El is the way to go. At least for this season

whatdoiknow
09-30-2010, 09:41 PM
You said Coclough was "NEVER" a punt returner

In response, I posted a picture of Colclough fumbling the punt in the 2006 Bengals game to which I had referred in my earlier post.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not to his own facts



Dan, Plexico once carried the ball as a RB out of the backfield one time....does that make him a RB ? Rico might have a total of 5 punt returns in 3 years, but that does NOT make him a Punt returner. And that fumble he had against Cincy did NOT happen in his rookie season. Which is EXACTLY the arguement that people are making here why Tomlin is sending El back there Instead of the rookie Brown. Even though the Steelers have a long History of having " PURE " Rookie punt returners....and I already have proven that.



Now stop already cause you are just coming off looking like an Idiot! Colclough was never a REGULAR punt returner at anytime in his career. And THAT is what I meant.

cubanstogie
10-01-2010, 12:44 AM
Sorry guys but all this talk of Brown not being back there cause he is a rookie, or he some how does not have " Sure " hands is complete nonsense. Antonio was maybe the best Punt returner/Kick returner in all of college football for the last 15 to 20 years. And catching a punt in college is absolutely NO different then in the Pros...I mean a Ball is a Ball. The Steelers have a LONG history of letting rookies be their punt returners. And as far as what someone said about " Rico Suave Colclough " being a punt returner, and having fumbling Issues. Well Rico was NEVER a punt returner here. He was on Kick-offs, but that's really it.


Bottom line, Tomlin IS a confirmed Idiot if he keeps El back there. El was washed up as a PR while still in Washington. But this talk about how Steelers don't like to use Rookie PR's is ridiculous.....Willie Reid, Santonio Holmes, Hank Poteat,,Rod Woodson,,hell, Randle El,,ect,,ect,,and ect!


Antonio is an " ELITE " Weapon. Even a better overall player than Emmanuel Sanders will EVER be! He is a Game changer type of returner. And playing El back there over him is the EXACT same thing as starting Thaddeus Gibson at OLB over James Harrison...the EXACT same thing.


Period!!

crazy post, college credentials don't mean squat in nfl. Ask Matt Leinhart, Eric Crouch, hell even Reggie Bush has struggled. Starting Gibson over Harrison is not same thing. Putting ARE back there is conservative. You rarely win games with a punt return but could easily lose one and shift momentum. With our Defense you don't want a game lost by a rookie who muffs a punt. Obviously if they go with ARE the coaches see something in practice we don't.

Atlanta Dan
10-01-2010, 09:07 AM
Dan,
Now stop already cause you are just coming off looking like an Idiot! Colclough was never a REGULAR punt returner at anytime in his career. And THAT is what I meant.

Stay classy:wave:

austinfrench76
10-01-2010, 12:27 PM
You cannot be afraid to use every member of your active roster where they shine regardless of tenure. I'd say it has more to do with what's happening in practice. None of us see that and there must be something we are missing because Brown was an amazing returner in college. I would love to see an actual return instead of El's fair catch with absolutely no one around him but Coach T know's more than I do so...