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Ohio Steeler
03-09-2006, 06:56 AM
VIENNA, Austria - Iran threatened the United States with "harm and pain" Wednesday if the US tries to use the U.N. Security Council - which has the power to impose sanctions - as a lever to punish Tehran for its suspect nuclear program.

Washington warned that Tehran has enough nuclear material for up to 10 atomic bombs.

Hours after the Iranian and U.S. exchange, the some members of the Security Council took up the issue for the first time, with the five permanent nations holding consultations in New York.

The rhetoric reflected the intensity of the debate at a meeting of the International Atomic Energy's 35-nation board in Vienna over a critical report on Iran's nuclear program. The meeting ended late Wednesday, formally opening the path to Security Council action that could range from a mild statement urging compliance to sanctions or even military measures.

The meeting also set the stage for a potential struggle between Washington, which seeks harsh measures against Tehran, and Moscow, which advocates a softer line.

But the head of the IAEA - the U.N. nuclear watchdog - cast Security Council involvement as a continuation of diplomacy with Iran.

Mohamed ElBaradei also suggested that Washington might need to talk to Tehran directly if negotiations reach the stage of focusing on security guarantees to Tehran in exchange for concessions on its nuclear program.

"Once we start to discuss security issues my personal view (is) that at one point the U.S. should also be engaged into a dialogue," ElBaradei told reporters.

The IAEA put the Security Council on alert over the issue last month but delayed any action to give more time for diplomacy under an agreement by the United States, Russia, China, France and Britain - the five permanent Security Council members that wield veto power.

Meanwhile, the five permanent members of the council met to discuss a first response to the Iran nuclear crisis.

One council diplomat said after the quick meeting that Britain had proposed that ElBaradei report back in two weeks about Iran's progress toward compliance with IAEA resolutions. The diplomat spoke on condition of anonymity because consultations were private.

Iran claims its nuclear program is peaceful and only aimed at generating electricity, but an increasing number of countries have come to share the U.S. view that Tehran is seeking to develop atomic weapons.

Iran has been under growing international pressure over the past three years as the IAEA compiled worrying details about its nuclear activities.

But formal Security Council involvement opens a new dimension because the U.N. body could impose economic and political sanctions against Iran. Such action is unlikely because of opposition from Russia and China, which have strategic and commercial ties with Tehran.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov suggested Wednesday that Moscow would not support sanctions and he ruled out military action.

"I don't think sanctions as a means to solve a crisis have ever achieved a goal in the recent history," Lavrov said after meeting Secretary-General Kofi Annan at the United Nations.

He added that Russia was "convinced that there is no military solution to this crisis" - an apparent rebuttal to Vice President **** Cheney's warning this week that Iran would face "meaningful consequences" if it does not back away from an international confrontation over its nuclear program. Cheney did not specify what the U.S. would do, but said it "is keeping all options on the table."

U.S. Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns suggested America would push for sanctions if appeals and demands failed.

"We believe that next Monday or Tuesday the United Nations Security Council will begin a very active debate about Iran's nuclear ambitions," Burns said Wednesday. "That debate will be designed to shine a very large, intensive spotlight on what we believe to be a clear Iranian (weapons) program."

Burns told the House International Relations Committee that U.S. officials expect the Security Council to consider a statement of condemnation against Iran. He said, however, that the Bush administration would like to go "beyond that to entertain the possibility of a resolution to isolate and hopefully influence (Iran's) behavior."

If Iran does not respond to words and resolutions, "then we believe that the world community should entertain the possibility of sanctions against Iran," Burns said.

ElBaradei's report accused Iran of withholding information, possessing plans linked to nuclear weapons and refusing to freeze uranium enrichment - a possible pathway to nuclear arms.

In comments to the IAEA board meeting, Gregory Schulte, the U.S. delegate to the agency, said the 85 tons of feedstock uranium gas already produced by Iran "if enriched, could produce enough material for about 10 nuclear weapons."

Separately, France, Germany and Britain warned that what is known about Iran's enrichment program could represent "the tip of the iceberg."

Iran reacted angrily to Washington's role in the standoff over its nuclear ambitions.

"The United States has the power to cause harm and pain," Ali Asghar Soltanieh, the chief Iranian delegate to the IAEA, said, reading from a statement. "But the United States is also susceptible to harm and pain. So if that is the path that the U.S. wishes to choose, let the ball roll."

He did not elaborate, but diplomats said the comment as possibly a veiled threat to use oil as a weapon. Iran is the second-largest producer within the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries and has leverage with extremist groups in Iran and elsewhere in the Middle East that could harm U.S. interests.

Iran's minister of petroleum, Sayed Kazem Vaziri Hamaneh, however, sought to ease concerns about Iran's oil plans, telling reporters at an OPEC meeting in Vienna: "Iran has no intention whatsoever of reducing its oil exports."

The White House dismissed Iran's threats.

"I think that provocative statements and actions only further isolate Iran from the rest of the world," White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters traveling with President Bush.

The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said the comments reflected the menace posed by Iran.

"Their threats show why leaving a country like that with a nuclear weapon is so dangerous," John Bolton told The Associated Press by phone from Washington.

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FisherMOM
03-09-2006, 07:01 AM
beautiful..... :(

83-Steelers-43
03-09-2006, 07:02 AM
That country is no good.

The funny part, these countries threaten us, but yet we could clean them off the face of the earth in one day. The scary part, they would do it to us if they had the bombs and technology. That region of the world is a mess and always will be a mess.

Ohio Steeler
03-09-2006, 07:25 AM
That country is no good.

The funny part, these countries threaten us, but yet we could clean them off the face of the earth in one day. The scary part, they would do it to us if they had the bombs and technology. That region of the world is a mess and always will be a mess.


I could not agree and I would love to see us do it

dustyblades
03-09-2006, 11:39 AM
I don't think those yahoos want us sending in Joey P. or Larry F. to distribute some "harm and pain." Hell, I'd bet on Big Ben alone vs. those blowhard morons.

luvmysteelers
03-09-2006, 03:27 PM
So, it would be ok for us to take action in the Middle East this time? (just trying to keep things straight)

dustyblades
03-09-2006, 04:00 PM
Last time was fine with me.

83-Steelers-43
03-09-2006, 04:13 PM
So, it would be ok for us to take action in the Middle East this time? (just trying to keep things straight)

Personally, I'm not stating that. The main reason being that we have to fight modern day wars with one hand tied behind our back. I just simply stated I find it amusing when these countries that are literally still in the stone age, threaten us, tell us they are going to kill us simply because we are considered "infidels", while also blaming us for their shitty existance while ignoring the fact that their little Prince's rake in oil money, while living in these huge palaces. If it was up to me, I would simply let them kill each other off.

RoethlisBURGHer
03-09-2006, 04:48 PM
**** Iran,matter-of-fact,**** the Middle East.

**** any terrorist ***** that wants to threaten the greatest country in the history of Earth.

If those ****ers try anything,I'm ****ing enlisting to go and kick thier asses.

beSteelmyheart
03-09-2006, 05:03 PM
As a member of our enlightened, politically correct American society, I just wish that we could carpet bomb the entire region. That would shut them up. At least for awhile. They were always maniacs & they always will be, let's put them out of their misery.

luvmysteelers
03-09-2006, 05:42 PM
Hey! We all finally agree..

NCSF
03-09-2006, 09:03 PM
We have no reason for worring about Iran's nuclear plant ever going online.
Israel will take it out, just wait and see.

Ohio Steeler
03-09-2006, 09:08 PM
So, it would be ok for us to take action in the Middle East this time? (just trying to keep things straight)


I myself dont have a iisue with it in fact I want them to NUKE the whole f-in middle east

83-Steelers-43
03-09-2006, 09:35 PM
We have no reason for worring about Iran's nuclear plant ever going online.
Israel will take it out, just wait and see.

Israel will take them out? LOL. If it wasn't for us, Israel as we know it would not exist. Israel is part of the reason we are hated by these lunatics/animals. I can hear these nuts right now. "Israel and the USA were behind the attacks on Iran.". I'm sure Barbara Streisand and Steven Spielberg would have no problem with that decision by our President. They are normally opening their big mouths and speaking out against every move, unless we are sending our boys into Somalia and losing 18 of our soldiers in one day and then pulling out accomplishing jack shit.

Suitanim
03-10-2006, 05:58 PM
Israel will be constrained by the US, which is actually what we all want to see. Why? Because WWIII will start if Israel starts a war with an Arab nation, and we'll be sucked right into it.

BlacknGold Bleeder
03-10-2006, 06:09 PM
Kill them all and let GOD or allah sort them out !!

Hammer67
03-10-2006, 10:37 PM
THe Middle East in geneneral has been nothing but a thorn in the world's side for decades...and it isn't all the US's fault contrary to what some on the left feel.

That region seriously needs to be dealt with...I mean, what the ****?

Their leaders tell them it's the US Infidel's fault they live in the stone ages while their leaders build billion dollar palace's built with oil money...a shame...

83-Steelers-43
03-10-2006, 10:42 PM
What can you do? Tough situation. I would love to cut all ties with that region of the globe and simply let them kill each other off while we mind our own business, but that will never happen.

DIESELMAN
03-10-2006, 10:49 PM
its going to come down to every country in the west to band and stick together to deal with the middle eastern backward ass countries.......

83-Steelers-43
03-10-2006, 10:54 PM
its going to come down to every country in the west to band and stick together to deal with the middle eastern backward ass countries.......

That's another thing that will never happen in my opinion. Can you imagine Germany or France deciding to actually grow a pair and stand up to these animals?

Afterall...........

"The last time the French asked for 'more proof' it came marching into Paris under a German flag."
--David Letterman

DIESELMAN
03-11-2006, 08:56 PM
and that ,as has been prophesized ,will be the end of the world.

God help us if that happens........bu dealing with the middle east I meant through sanctions or whatever else the western countries could come up with through somewhat peaceful means.......The biggest thing that would help would be for the good arabs and there are plenty of those that want peace and want their country back to stand up and be a bigger help in stopping the terrorists and the insurgency....

luvmysteelers
03-12-2006, 05:17 AM
Ok, this is a serious question. I agree, Dieselman, there are a lot of good Arabs who want peace. Why do you think it is that they don't make some sort of stand, instead of always letting the bad guys run their country's reputation into the ground? Do you think they are just that oppressed? Is it financial? We know the terrorists seem to have unlimited funds. Is it fear?

pucho58
03-12-2006, 05:19 PM
Ok, this is a serious question. I agree, Dieselman, there are a lot of good Arabs who want peace. Why do you think it is that they don't make some sort of stand, instead of always letting the bad guys run their country's reputation into the ground? Do you think they are just that oppressed? Is it financial? We know the terrorists seem to have unlimited funds. Is it fear?

I think its fear and a lack of education. I agree that they need to make a stand;freedom isn't given to you it is earned.

clevestinks
03-12-2006, 05:38 PM
Iran is a thorn in our sides. We have way to much going on right now to deal with them. Russia should be cut off right away for even giving them anything. If it weren`t for the USA, Russia would have been done already, those poor broke bastards, took everything we gave them, then turned around and stuck it in our asses.

Suitanim
03-12-2006, 07:20 PM
there are a lot of good Arabs who want peace. Why do you think it is that they don't make some sort of stand, instead of always letting the bad guys run their country's reputation into the ground? Do you think they are just that oppressed? Is it financial? We know the terrorists seem to have unlimited funds. Is it fear?

Do you think most German's agreed with Hitler and his policies? The silent majority is silent because it's a lot easier to live quietly than to die proclaiming that the people in power are wrong.

DIESELMAN
03-13-2006, 03:07 AM
Ok, this is a serious question. I agree, Dieselman, there are a lot of good Arabs who want peace. Why do you think it is that they don't make some sort of stand, instead of always letting the bad guys run their country's reputation into the ground? Do you think they are just that oppressed? Is it financial? We know the terrorists seem to have unlimited funds. Is it fear?

That will always be THEE unanswered question......I think its a combination of fear and being opressed that they don't know what freedom tastes like.They are getting their first taste of it now and they don't know what the hell to do...I feel sorry for them and pissed of at them all at the same time.....:helmet:

luvmysteelers
03-13-2006, 06:08 PM
I guess I never thought of it that way..that maybe they just don't know what to do with freedom they've been given. It's one of those things we take for granted. But then they are biting the hand that feeds them. We are trying to help them to help themselves..but they aren't making it easy on us.

Stlrs4Life
03-13-2006, 06:44 PM
There will never be peace in the Middle East. Never was going back to the days of the Crusades.