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bobby jr
10-01-2010, 06:57 PM
Head to head matchups: 11 games since 2005, the Ravens have outscored the Steelers Ravens 210 points, Steelers 198 points.

Steelers have won several close games which could have gone either way. As a longtime watcher of pro football I have seen numerous teams which get into the playoffs by winning a lot of squeakers during the regular season, and they usually don't last long in the post season.

Looking at points scored VS given up is often a better way of measuring just how good a team is, over the long haul. The Ravens have more than held their own against the Steelers over the last few years, and their bad luck doesn't figure to last. The Ravens match up well against the Steelers..

For some reason the 2006 results keep coming to mind when I think about how these great Steeler Ravens matchup games are going to play out in 2010.
(For those who may not recall, the 2006 scores were Ravens 27, Steelers 0, and the second game was Ravens 31, Steelers 7. )

MasterOfPuppets
10-01-2010, 07:17 PM
and how did that 2006 superbowl work out for the ratbirds ? :coffee:

lionslicer
10-01-2010, 07:17 PM
Yes the 2006 games are the only reason they are ahead in points. If you take those away, Ravens only scored 152 points

SteelCityMom
10-01-2010, 07:19 PM
Head to head matchups: 11 games since 2005, the Ravens have outscored the Steelers Ravens 210 points, Steelers 198 points.

Steelers have won several close games which could have gone either way. As a longtime watcher of pro football I have seen numerous teams which get into the playoffs by winning a lot of squeakers during the regular season, and they usually don't last long in the post season.

That's great...but how far have the Steelers gone in the postseason (when they get there) compared to the Ravens, say...since 2004? I think we all know that, even though the Steelers may have won some squeakers, they've certainly fared better in the postseason. Your statement doesn't hold up.

Looking at points scored VS given up is often a better way of measuring just how good a team is, over the long haul. The Ravens have more than held their own against the Steelers over the last few years, and their bad luck doesn't figure to last. The Ravens match up well against the Steelers..

Of course they matchup well...they are similar teams. But I'd have to say, myself, I measure how good a team is by how many times they go the playoffs and actually win a SB. Steelers got the Ravens beat there for sure...points scored be damned.

For some reason the 2006 results keep coming to mind when I think about how these great Steeler Ravens matchup games are going to play out in 2010.
(For those who may not recall, the 2006 scores were Ravens 27, Steelers 0, and the second game was Ravens 31, Steelers 7. )

That's cool...for some reason the 2007 results keep coming to my mind when I think about how the matchup games are going to play out in '10. 38-7 on Monday night football comes to mind (we'll not go into the close game the Steelers lost when they had already made the playoffs in week 16 that year...they almost won with mostly backups).

Keep in mind as well...last year, the teams split wins, but the Ravens nearly lost...at home, against Dixon, with no Troy or Aaron Smith.

I expect a close game, but I think as long as the Steelers don't turn the ball over too much, they'll win handily.

whatdoiknow
10-01-2010, 07:19 PM
[QUOTE=bobby jr;851350]

Looking at points scored VS given up is often a better way of measuring just how good a team is, over the long haul. The Ravens have more than held their own against the Steelers over the last few years, and their bad luck doesn't figure to last. The Ravens match up well against the Steelers..

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What Moron told you that. Points scored vs points given up is a scewed stat cause there are several teams, like the Chargers and say the Patriots who no matter how far they are ahead, they still keep their first team offenses in there, and pile up the score. I mean the Steelers are the complete opposites of that. Lets say Pittsburgh plays Baltimore 10 times, and wins 7 of those games, winning those 7 by an average of 6 points, but in all of them they were up by say 14 to 17 points in the 4th quarter. Well it's a well know fact that once up like that, Pittsburgh either pulls alot of their defensive starters, or plays a soft Zone, and allows the the other teams offense to move down the field, but allows the clock to run out. So the opposing team score a meanningless TD or two. Now lets say Baltimore in their 3 wins keeps their offense in the game in the later parts of the game, scoring more points. So a game that they are clearly winning say 21-7 in the 4th, they look to add another TD or so, making the final margin 21-24 Pts so in their 3 wins, they might have a total margin of 72 Pts. While the Steelers in their 7 wins by an average of 6 points has a total margin of 42 points....30 total less points then the Ravens...and THAT makes them a better team ?



Laughable!

Fire Haley
10-01-2010, 07:28 PM
Steelers win 52-0......... just to piss off Ray Ray.

MasterOfPuppets
10-01-2010, 07:34 PM
got news for ya.....BJ.... teams that lose those "squeaker" games , usually don't make the playoffs.

skinart82
10-01-2010, 07:40 PM
Why is it these fools come in here, post some half-ass statement and then when they get proven to be a tool, they don't respond anymore? Just wondering.

SH-Rock
10-01-2010, 07:47 PM
Steelers win 52-0......... just to piss off Ray Ray.

I hope not, watch the flow of bandwaggoners come in. Haters will be turned into believers, but you know what **** them. They are unwanted. Can't wait to shut the squawks of the Ravens.
:tt03::tt03::tt03:

MasterOfPuppets
10-01-2010, 07:53 PM
Why is it these fools come in here, post some half-ass statement and then when they get proven to be a tool, they don't respond anymore? Just wondering.
oooo...ooooo...i know this one..pick me !!!

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Fire Arians
10-01-2010, 08:01 PM
we're ahead in super bowl wins since 2005

bobby jr
10-01-2010, 08:42 PM
It's kind of like the "pythagorean theory" in Major League baseball. That theory holds that a formula which compares runs scored VS given up is way of taking away the "luck factor" in winning (or losing) a lot of close games.

Same concept holds for NFL. If the Steelers have beaten the Ravens a lot of close games you can't expect that to continue. Several of those games went down to almost the last play of the game. The Ravens could easily have won several of those games against the Steelers. We have outscored the Steelers since 2005.

Now as for my point about the post season let me rephrase that. one. What I meant to say is that just as a team which wins a lot of squeakers in the regular season can't expect to dominate the post season, so it is with the Steelers VS the Ravens. The Steelers have won a lot of close games against the Ravens the last few years,
but they have been outscored, and one would not expect this run of Steeler good luck (and Raven bad luck) to continue.

As for Sundays game, without Big Ben I don't see the Steelers having much success against the Ravens. Remember how the Ravens made Sanchez and the Jets look totally incompetent in the first game on offense..
That is likely to repeat itself on Sunday. Sanchez has seen a lot more snaps than Charlie Batch the last year, and the Ravens made Sanchez look like he didn't belong in the NFL in that game.

Flacco and the Ravens offense got on track last week, Rice ready to go, a revamped Ravens offense and receiving corps, and with the Steelers likely being unable to do much on offense, Sunday could be a long day for Steelers fans.

bobby jr
10-01-2010, 08:45 PM
we're ahead in super bowl wins since 2005

Well let's be objective about that too. The referees had quite a lot to do with the Seattle Superbowl, and one of the refs even admitted that last month. The Steelers needed a last minute drive to beat the Cardinals. When the Ravens won their Super Bowl against the Giants that was total domination by the better team in the Super Bowl.

bobby jr
10-01-2010, 08:49 PM
[QUOTE=bobby jr;851350]

Looking at points scored VS given up is often a better way of measuring just how good a team is, over the long haul. The Ravens have more than held their own against the Steelers over the last few years, and their bad luck doesn't figure to last. The Ravens match up well against the Steelers..

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What Moron told you that. Points scored vs points given up is a scewed stat cause there are several teams, like the Chargers and say the Patriots who no matter how far they are ahead, they still keep their first team offenses in there, and pile up the score. I mean the Steelers are the complete opposites of that. Lets say Pittsburgh plays Baltimore 10 times, and wins 7 of those games, winning those 7 by an average of 6 points, but in all of them they were up by say 14 to 17 points in the 4th quarter. Well it's a well know fact that once up like that, Pittsburgh either pulls alot of their defensive starters, or plays a soft Zone, and allows the the other teams offense to move down the field, but allows the clock to run out. So the opposing team score a meanningless TD or two. Now lets say Baltimore in their 3 wins keeps their offense in the game in the later parts of the game, scoring more points. So a game that they are clearly winning say 21-7 in the 4th, they look to add another TD or so, making the final margin 21-24 Pts so in their 3 wins, they might have a total margin of 72 Pts. While the Steelers in their 7 wins by an average of 6 points has a total margin of 42 points....30 total less points then the Ravens...and THAT makes them a better team ?



Laughable!

Your point would have more validity if the Ravens ran up the score like Bilichick and the Patriots have done. But the Ravens have never done that, scoring meaningless touchdowns at the end just to run up the score.

Face it, winning a game 37 to 7 means a team has dominated the game, and winning a game 13-9 does not mean that. The team which outscores the opposition by a large amount will usually beat that team the next time around.

MasterOfPuppets
10-01-2010, 08:58 PM
Year Date Winner Result Loser Location Notes 1996 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_National_Football_League_season) September 8 Pittsburgh Steelers 31–17 Baltimore Ravens Three Rivers Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Rivers_Stadium)
December 1 Baltimore Ravens 31–17 Pittsburgh Steelers Memorial Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_Stadium_%28Baltimore%29)
1997 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_National_Football_League_season) October 5 Pittsburgh Steelers 42–34 Baltimore Ravens Memorial Stadium
November 9 Pittsburgh Steelers 37–0 Baltimore Ravens Three Rivers Stadium First season sweep by either team. 1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_National_Football_League_season) September 23 Pittsburgh Steelers 20–13 Baltimore Ravens M&T Bank Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%26T_Bank_Stadium) First loss for Ravens at M&T Bank Stadium. October 18 Pittsburgh Steelers 16–6 Baltimore Ravens Three Rivers Stadium
1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_National_Football_League_season) September 19 Pittsburgh Steelers 23–20 Baltimore Ravens M&T Bank Stadium
December 12 Baltimore Ravens 31–24 Pittsburgh Steelers Three Rivers Stadium First win for Ravens in Pittsburgh. Wide receiver Qadry Ismail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadry_Ismail) scored three touchdowns (all at least 54 yards) with 258 receiving yards, the all-time record at Three Rivers Stadium.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steelers%E2%80%93Ravens_rivalry#cite_note-5) [edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steelers%E2%80%93Ravens_rivalry&action=edit&section=4)] 2000s (Steelers 13-9)




Year Date Winner Result Loser Location Notes 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_National_Football_League_season) September 3 Baltimore Ravens 16–0 Pittsburgh Steelers Three Rivers Stadium
October 29 Pittsburgh Steelers 9–6 Baltimore Ravens M&T Bank Stadium Last loss for the Raven for the remainder the season, en route to the team's victory in Super Bowl XXXV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXV). 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_National_Football_League_season) November 4 Baltimore Ravens 13–10 Pittsburgh Steelers Heinz Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Field) First loss for Steelers at Heinz Field. October 16 Pittsburgh Steelers 26–21 Baltimore Ravens M&T Bank Stadium
January 20 Pittsburgh Steelers 27–10 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field (AFC Divisional Playoff)
2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_National_Football_League_season) October 27 Pittsburgh Steelers 31–18 Baltimore Ravens M&T Bank Stadium
December 29 Pittsburgh Steelers 34–31 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field
2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_National_Football_League_season) September 7 Pittsburgh Steelers 34–15 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field
December 28 Baltimore Ravens 13–10 Pittsburgh Steelers M&T Bank Stadium
2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_National_Football_League_season) September 19 Baltimore Ravens 30–13 Pittsburgh Steelers M&T Bank Stadium Ravens wore white jerseys against Steelers in home opener. Debut of Ben Roethlisberger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Roethlisberger) after Tommy Maddox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Maddox) was injured. Only regular season loss for the Steelers the entire season. December 26 Pittsburgh Steelers 20–7 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field
2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_National_Football_League_season) October 31 Pittsburgh Steelers 20–19 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field
November 20 Baltimore Ravens 16–13 (OT) Pittsburgh Steelers M&T Bank Stadium
2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_National_Football_League_season) November 26 Baltimore Ravens 27–0 Pittsburgh Steelers M&T Bank Stadium
December 24 Baltimore Ravens 31–7 Pittsburgh Steelers Heinz Field Only series sweep by Ravens to date. Last regular season home game Steelers wear regular uniforms against Ravens to date. 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_National_Football_League_season) November 5 Pittsburgh Steelers 38–7 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field
December 30 Baltimore Ravens 27–21 Pittsburgh Steelers M&T Bank Stadium
2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_National_Football_League_season) September 29 Pittsburgh Steelers 23–20 (OT) Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field
December 14 Pittsburgh Steelers 13–9 Baltimore Ravens M&T Bank Stadium
January 18 Pittsburgh Steelers 23–14 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field (AFC Championship)
2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_National_Football_League_season) November 29 Baltimore Ravens 20–17 (OT) Pittsburgh Steelers M&T Bank Stadium
December 27 Pittsburgh Steelers 23–20 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field

stb_steeler
10-01-2010, 08:59 PM
Well let's be objective about that too. The referees had quite a lot to do with the Seattle Superbowl, and one of the refs even admitted that last month. The Steelers needed a last minute drive to beat the Cardinals. When the Ravens won their Super Bowl against the Giants that was total domination by the better team in the Super Bowl.

Ahh Ravens didnt win their SB by offense....they won it by Defense! Please dont bring that he said she said shit in here about how the games were officiated. If you were paying attention to SB XL you would know, even with out the SO called bad calls, still would not have been enough to win the game. So please dont come in here spewing off crap you know nothing about. We heard enough about SBXL, seems the losers are the only ones that cant let it go!. Move on next subject please.

stb_steeler
10-01-2010, 09:01 PM
Year Date Winner Result Loser Location Notes 1996 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_National_Football_League_season) September 8 Pittsburgh Steelers 3117 Baltimore Ravens Three Rivers Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Rivers_Stadium)
December 1 Baltimore Ravens 3117 Pittsburgh Steelers Memorial Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_Stadium_%28Baltimore%29)
1997 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_National_Football_League_season) October 5 Pittsburgh Steelers 4234 Baltimore Ravens Memorial Stadium
November 9 Pittsburgh Steelers 370 Baltimore Ravens Three Rivers Stadium First season sweep by either team. 1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_National_Football_League_season) September 23 Pittsburgh Steelers 2013 Baltimore Ravens M&T Bank Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%26T_Bank_Stadium) First loss for Ravens at M&T Bank Stadium. October 18 Pittsburgh Steelers 166 Baltimore Ravens Three Rivers Stadium
1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_National_Football_League_season) September 19 Pittsburgh Steelers 2320 Baltimore Ravens M&T Bank Stadium
December 12 Baltimore Ravens 3124 Pittsburgh Steelers Three Rivers Stadium First win for Ravens in Pittsburgh. Wide receiver Qadry Ismail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadry_Ismail) scored three touchdowns (all at least 54 yards) with 258 receiving yards, the all-time record at Three Rivers Stadium.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steelers%E2%80%93Ravens_rivalry#cite_note-5) [edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steelers%E2%80%93Ravens_rivalry&action=edit&section=4)] 2000s (Steelers 13-9)




Year Date Winner Result Loser Location Notes 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_National_Football_League_season) September 3 Baltimore Ravens 160 Pittsburgh Steelers Three Rivers Stadium
October 29 Pittsburgh Steelers 96 Baltimore Ravens M&T Bank Stadium Last loss for the Raven for the remainder the season, en route to the team's victory in Super Bowl XXXV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXV). 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_National_Football_League_season) November 4 Baltimore Ravens 1310 Pittsburgh Steelers Heinz Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Field) First loss for Steelers at Heinz Field. October 16 Pittsburgh Steelers 2621 Baltimore Ravens M&T Bank Stadium
January 20 Pittsburgh Steelers 2710 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field (AFC Divisional Playoff)
2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_National_Football_League_season) October 27 Pittsburgh Steelers 3118 Baltimore Ravens M&T Bank Stadium
December 29 Pittsburgh Steelers 3431 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field
2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_National_Football_League_season) September 7 Pittsburgh Steelers 3415 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field
December 28 Baltimore Ravens 1310 Pittsburgh Steelers M&T Bank Stadium
2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_National_Football_League_season) September 19 Baltimore Ravens 3013 Pittsburgh Steelers M&T Bank Stadium Ravens wore white jerseys against Steelers in home opener. Debut of Ben Roethlisberger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Roethlisberger) after Tommy Maddox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Maddox) was injured. Only regular season loss for the Steelers the entire season. December 26 Pittsburgh Steelers 207 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field
2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_National_Football_League_season) October 31 Pittsburgh Steelers 2019 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field
November 20 Baltimore Ravens 1613 (OT) Pittsburgh Steelers M&T Bank Stadium
2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_National_Football_League_season) November 26 Baltimore Ravens 270 Pittsburgh Steelers M&T Bank Stadium
December 24 Baltimore Ravens 317 Pittsburgh Steelers Heinz Field Only series sweep by Ravens to date. Last regular season home game Steelers wear regular uniforms against Ravens to date. 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_National_Football_League_season) November 5 Pittsburgh Steelers 387 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field
December 30 Baltimore Ravens 2721 Pittsburgh Steelers M&T Bank Stadium
2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_National_Football_League_season) September 29 Pittsburgh Steelers 2320 (OT) Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field
December 14 Pittsburgh Steelers 139 Baltimore Ravens M&T Bank Stadium
January 18 Pittsburgh Steelers 2314 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field (AFC Championship)
2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_National_Football_League_season) November 29 Baltimore Ravens 2017 (OT) Pittsburgh Steelers M&T Bank Stadium
December 27 Pittsburgh Steelers 2320 Baltimore Ravens Heinz Field

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Fire Haley
10-01-2010, 09:04 PM
**** the ravens

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mO03-wQ37zA/SXIFriXiwLI/AAAAAAAAAmM/eywHf81u1AE/s400/dead+raven.jpg


Can I get an Amen?

whatdoiknow
10-01-2010, 09:05 PM
[QUOTE=whatdoiknow;851358]

Your point would have more validity if the Ravens ran up the score like Bilichick and the Patriots have done. But the Ravens have never done that, scoring meaningless touchdowns at the end just to run up the score.

Face it, winning a game 37 to 7 means a team has dominated the game, and winning a game 13-9 does not mean that. The team which outscores the opposition by a large amount will usually beat that team the next time around.




Ah No you're wrong little Bobby. In that 2006 game where Baltimore won 31-7, the Ravens were up 21-7 with under 6 minutes to go, and ALL of their offensive starters were still in the game. But half of the steelers defense were out. In fact, with less then 1 1/2 minutes to play, your strting RB Jamal Lewis ran in a TD. So please little Bobby, tell me again how Baltimore does NOT Run up the score :doh:


Here endith the lesson little Bobby!

stb_steeler
10-01-2010, 09:10 PM
**** the ravens

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mO03-wQ37zA/SXIFriXiwLI/AAAAAAAAAmM/eywHf81u1AE/s400/dead+raven.jpg


Can I get an Amen?


AMEN BRUTHA!!! :tt03:

MasterOfPuppets
10-01-2010, 09:22 PM
let me interupt this thread with some facts.

steelers lead the series 18 - 11

the steelers have beat the ravens 9 times by 7 points or less

the ravens have beat the steelers 6 times by 7 points or less

the ravens have won the game 2 times in overtime

the steelers have won the game 1 time in overtime

the ravens have won 3 games with the steelers starting QB out of the game
* 2004 - maddox knocked out of the game , bens first time in an NFL game
* 2007 - charlie batch started along with a lot of other backups.
* 2009 - dennis dixons first NFL game

whatdoiknow
10-01-2010, 09:24 PM
let me interupt this thread with some facts.

steelers lead the series 18 - 11

the steelers have beat the ravens 9 times by 7 points or less

the ravens have beat the steelers 6 times by 7 points or less

the ravens have won the game 2 times in overtime

the steelers have won the game 1 time in overtime

the ravens have won 3 games with the steelers starting QB out of the game
* 2004 - maddox knocked out of the game , bens first time in an NFL game
* 2007 - charlie batch started
* 2009 - dennis dixons first NFL game





Fantastic. Great Facts. Of course of you Assuming a Raven fan has the brain cells to understand Facts! :noidea:

MasterOfPuppets
10-01-2010, 09:28 PM
Fantastic. Great Facts. Of course of you Assuming a Raven fan has the brain cells to understand Facts! :noidea:
well the goober acts like the steelers were the only ones to win close games . like all the raven wins were just total domination ...:jerkit:

Ravnet
10-01-2010, 10:08 PM
got news for ya.....BJ.... teams that lose those "squeaker" games , usually don't make the playoffs.

Good thing that doesn't apply to the Ravens at all.

Sure, the Steelers have done better, but that's not saying much considering that they have the second most Super Bowl titles this decade; the Ravens regularly make the playoffs, and have done fairly well considering that they haven't typically won the division in order to enter.

stb_steeler
10-01-2010, 10:10 PM
well the goober acts like the steelers were the only ones to win close games . like all the raven wins were just total domination ...:jerkit:

Send him packing


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sharkweek
10-02-2010, 04:14 AM
Flacco is 1-4 as a starter against the Steelers and the Steelers are 9-10 in the past 10 home games against the Ravens.

Good luck against our 4th string QB, if you can't win this game there isn't much hope for the rest of the season.

StainlessStill
10-02-2010, 06:58 AM
A lot of history between these two teams and a back and forth type stat will always appear and the W-L colum will be close, but even though the Ravens may have scored more points than us since 2005, we have 2 more rings than they do in that time span.

One more important stat:

We are 1-0 against the Ravens in AFC TITLE match-ups as well as 2-0 against them overall in the playoffs.:tt04:

steelerchad
10-02-2010, 07:37 AM
Head to head matchups: 11 games since 2005, the Ravens have outscored the Steelers Ravens 210 points, Steelers 198 points.

Steelers have won several close games which could have gone either way. As a longtime watcher of pro football I have seen numerous teams which get into the playoffs by winning a lot of squeakers during the regular season, and they usually don't last long in the post season.

Looking at points scored VS given up is often a better way of measuring just how good a team is, over the long haul. The Ravens have more than held their own against the Steelers over the last few years, and their bad luck doesn't figure to last. The Ravens match up well against the Steelers..

For some reason the 2006 results keep coming to mind when I think about how these great Steeler Ravens matchup games are going to play out in 2010.
(For those who may not recall, the 2006 scores were Ravens 27, Steelers 0, and the second game was Ravens 31, Steelers 7. )

Congratulations. That must be gratifying to have all those points. I wish we could have all those points instead of all these wins and 2 Lombardis. You lucky bastard.

steelerchad
10-02-2010, 07:42 AM
Head to head matchups: 11 games since 2005, the Ravens have outscored the Steelers Ravens 210 points, Steelers 198 points.

Steelers have won several close games which could have gone either way. As a longtime watcher of pro football I have seen numerous teams which get into the playoffs by winning a lot of squeakers during the regular season, and they usually don't last long in the post season.

Looking at points scored VS given up is often a better way of measuring just how good a team is, over the long haul. The Ravens have more than held their own against the Steelers over the last few years, and their bad luck doesn't figure to last. The Ravens match up well against the Steelers..

For some reason the 2006 results keep coming to mind when I think about how these great Steeler Ravens matchup games are going to play out in 2010.
(For those who may not recall, the 2006 scores were Ravens 27, Steelers 0, and the second game was Ravens 31, Steelers 7. )


But seriously, The Ravens have been the Steelers little bitch for most of their existence. They've been a good team, just not great. The Steelers have bordered on greatness. The Steelers own the edge 18-11 overall and 3-0 in the playoffs. 2 Superbowls to 1. Our winning % over the Ravens ranks as pretty dominant. Based on 11-18 vs the Steelers, if the Ravens had to play the Steelers all season they'd be around 6-10 every year while the Steelers would be 10-6 and headed to the playoffs.

StainlessStill
10-02-2010, 07:44 AM
Congratulations. That must be gratifying to have all those points. I wish we could have all those points instead of all these wins and 2 Lombardis. You lucky bastard.

You're not kiddin'. If it so happens we go 0-16 every year but score more points than Baltimore during any type of span, then it'll all be fine, no worries! In the words of Homer Simspon: D'OH!:doh:


For some reason the 2006 results keep coming to mind when I think about how these great Steeler Ravens matchup games are going to play out in 2010.
(For those who may not recall, the 2006 scores were Ravens 27, Steelers 0, and the second game was Ravens 31, Steelers 7. )

You know what else comes to mind? The 2007 results when the Steelers completely amputated the Ravens on Monday Night Football 38-7 and when Big Ben embarrassed that Ravens team, scorching them for 5 touchdowns in the process. The last game we sat our starters so we could rest our players for the post-season while you guys went 5-11 on the season and sat there and watched us advance. Another one that comes to mind is when Troy Polamalu picked off Joe Flacco in the AFC CHAMP game on our way to our 6th title in 2008. What gives to your argument?

Drizztbob
10-02-2010, 08:26 AM
Here's another little tidbit that is helpful when considering this game...

In the last 10 games, Steelers are 9-1 against the Ravens in Heinz field. (Including PLAYOFF wins)

Our fans don't take no sh!t, especially bird droppings.

desertsteel
10-02-2010, 09:28 AM
Steelers ahead of Raven in Super Bowl titles since 2005, 2 to 0............. LMAO!!!

NYC_Steeler
10-02-2010, 11:00 AM
Things change. Steelers have more regular season wins, and more importantly, Lombardis.

ricksteelers55
10-02-2010, 12:11 PM
Why going back to 2005 when most of the starting players arent there anymore? Why arent you just going back to 2007 or 2008 ?

And by the way what i'm going to do is I will let you run your mouth about how we gonna have tough time this sunday and we'll let this play out....

Go Steelers

rick723
10-02-2010, 01:40 PM
Yes the 2006 games are the only reason they are ahead in points. If you take those away, Ravens only scored 152 points

And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle
We got 2 rings since then, that's the bottom line.

rick723
10-02-2010, 01:45 PM
Someone ban this ****sucker, I post on the rats board and they never show, they come over here for free speach,

SteelCityMom
10-02-2010, 01:56 PM
Someone ban this ****sucker, I post on the rats board and they never show, they come over here for free speach,

Nah...not gonna ban him. Even if he did get a little out of line with some smack talk, that'd be fine with me.

Though I think his opinion is laughable, he's well entitled to it, and has been pretty respectable about it. He knows he's gonna take some flack for it here anyway.

MaidenIndiana
10-02-2010, 04:15 PM
At least the Steelers didn't run crying to the league about not wanting to play the Ratbirds at home in prime time. Instead of calling them Ratbirds they should be called Ratwhineybitches or if that's too long just call them RatSHIT!!!:tt02:

bobby jr
10-02-2010, 05:01 PM
[QUOTE=bobby jr;851401]




Ah No you're wrong little Bobby. In that 2006 game where Baltimore won 31-7, the Ravens were up 21-7 with under 6 minutes to go, and ALL of their offensive starters were still in the game. But half of the steelers defense were out. In fact, with less then 1 1/2 minutes to play, your strting RB Jamal Lewis ran in a TD. So please little Bobby, tell me again how Baltimore does NOT Run up the score :doh:


Here endith the lesson little Bobby!

Up by two TD's of course the Ravens kept their starters in. That is a two score game!
If the Steelers score a TD and recover an onside kick then they could tie a game like that even in the last minute or two.

And running Jamal up the middle isn't running up the score, that is just playing the game. No team takes a knee unless they can run the clock out. That is nothing like Bilichick keeping Brady in throwing TD bombs when the Patriots are way ahead in the fourth quarter.

bobby jr
10-02-2010, 05:09 PM
Something else I'd like to bring up. Some guys at work said they traveled from Baltimore to Pittsburgh to see the playoff game a couple of years ago, and they were told they couldn't even park in the parking lot because they were wearing Ravens garb. Then when they got into Heinz field they said they were threatened and challenged to fights all through the game.

Now I wasn't there at Heinz field and I don't know if this really happened as they said, but I have heard enough stories like this to think there may be some truth to it. I was considering going to that playoff game in Pittsburgh myself but now I'm glad I didn't go. I've been warned not to go there and let anyone know I'm a Ravens fan. In Baltimore I've seen other teams fans at the stadium wearing their garb, I recall talking to some Bengals fans before one game, no problem.

bobby jr
10-02-2010, 05:15 PM
let me interupt this thread with some facts.

steelers lead the series 18 - 11

the steelers have beat the ravens 9 times by 7 points or less

the ravens have beat the steelers 6 times by 7 points or less

the ravens have won the game 2 times in overtime

the steelers have won the game 1 time in overtime

the ravens have won 3 games with the steelers starting QB out of the game
* 2004 - maddox knocked out of the game , bens first time in an NFL game
* 2007 - charlie batch started along with a lot of other backups.
* 2009 - dennis dixons first NFL game

So you're saying the Ravens will win tomorrow because the Steelers starting QB isn't in?

Insofar as that goes, the Steelers seem to be doing pretty well without Big Ben, come to think of it. Maybe his value to the team was overrated. 3-0 without him, the worst they can be is 3-1.

At any rate your facts about the Steelers winning games is true, But the whole point of this thread is that most of the Ravens Steelers games have been close, and the Ravens have outscored the steelers. And it is not realistic to expect to continue to win close games, it just doesn't happen that way in the NFL. Over the long run the close game wins and losses do tend to even out.

Riddle_Of_Steel
10-02-2010, 05:22 PM
Something else I'd like to bring up. Some guys at work said they traveled from Baltimore to Pittsburgh to see the playoff game a couple of years ago, and they were told they couldn't even park in the parking lot because they were wearing Ravens garb. Then when they got into Heinz field they said they were threatened and challenged to fights all through the game.

Umm...this happens at EVERY stadium on Sunday afternoons....and I see that since you had nothing else to bring to the table with your previous flawed line of logic in this thread, you had to jump to a new line of inquiry and start worrying about whether you are going to get beat up at Heinz Field or not.

Intellectual dishonesty throws a serious monkey-wrench into any attempt at having an objective discussion with any group fo people....

Now I wasn't there at Heinz field and I don't know if this really happened as they said, but I have heard enough stories like this to think there may be some truth to it.

It is probably 100% true-- like I said, that kind of thing is common at football games. Ever been to one?

I was considering going to that playoff game in Pittsburgh myself but now I'm glad I didn't go.

I bet you are-- I wouldn't want to spend my hard-earned money to travel to a city that I hate, only to see my team get buried for the third time by the same team that season either...

I've been warned not to go there and let anyone know I'm a Ravens fan.

I am thinking that it has more to do with simple stupidity on your part rather than your fanbase membership....

In Baltimore I've seen other teams fans at the stadium wearing their garb, I recall talking to some Bengals fans before one game, no problem.

Anecdotal evidence can never be used to justify generalizing a whole demographic....just like it would be wrong of me to assume that all Ravens fans are morons just based on your behavior alone.

steelerchad
10-02-2010, 05:28 PM
Something else I'd like to bring up. Some guys at work said they traveled from Baltimore to Pittsburgh to see the playoff game a couple of years ago, and they were told they couldn't even park in the parking lot because they were wearing Ravens garb. Then when they got into Heinz field they said they were threatened and challenged to fights all through the game.

Now I wasn't there at Heinz field and I don't know if this really happened as they said, but I have heard enough stories like this to think there may be some truth to it. I was considering going to that playoff game in Pittsburgh myself but now I'm glad I didn't go. I've been warned not to go there and let anyone know I'm a Ravens fan. In Baltimore I've seen other teams fans at the stadium wearing their garb, I recall talking to some Bengals fans before one game, no problem.

Yeah, well there's a difference with wearing Bengals gear and Steelers gear in Baltimore. I've been to your stadium 6 or 7 times. The last couple haven't been good experiences at all. While I was in the bathroom, some Ravens fan called my wife a wh***. And that was in the club level. I took my 2 kids one year and more harrassment. People snatching terrible towels and throwing them. You know the kind of garbage I'm talking about. You have it at a lot of stadiums, especially when the rivalry is intense.

I've seen some crap in Pittsburgh too, but not much. Probably because there are so few visiting fans that come to Pittsburgh as it's a tough (expensive) ticket.

I honestly don't give anyone crap unless they're looking for it. I had words with a Ravens fan at the AFC championship game in Pittsburgh, but honestly the guy was looking for trouble. Wear your colors and cheer for the team you'll have no problem with me or most Steeler fans. But taunt the crowd and say BS stuff looking for trouble and you'll probably find it.

steelerchad
10-02-2010, 05:33 PM
So you're saying the Ravens will win tomorrow because the Steelers starting QB isn't in?

Insofar as that goes, the Steelers seem to be doing pretty well without Big Ben, come to think of it. Maybe his value to the team was overrated. 3-0 without him, the worst they can be is 3-1.

At any rate your facts about the Steelers winning games is true, But the whole point of this thread is that most of the Ravens Steelers games have been close, and the Ravens have outscored the steelers. And it is not realistic to expect to continue to win close games, it just doesn't happen that way in the NFL. Over the long run the close game wins and losses do tend to even out.

Not really. The Steelers have been winning close games for a long time and are pretty good at it. In the short term yes. But when your defense is dominant like ours, they will keep you in almost any game. If you're a pretty good team with a dominant defense you're going to win more than you lose. I don't expect this rivalry to turn either. The Steelers are usually just a little better than the Ravens. This year looks no different.

I will say this game is a lot more important for the Ravens. I don't believe they can afford to drop 2 1/2 games back of the Steelers with Big Ben coming back.

SteelCityMom
10-02-2010, 05:35 PM
Something else I'd like to bring up. Some guys at work said they traveled from Baltimore to Pittsburgh to see the playoff game a couple of years ago, and they were told they couldn't even park in the parking lot because they were wearing Ravens garb. Then when they got into Heinz field they said they were threatened and challenged to fights all through the game.

Now I wasn't there at Heinz field and I don't know if this really happened as they said, but I have heard enough stories like this to think there may be some truth to it. I was considering going to that playoff game in Pittsburgh myself but now I'm glad I didn't go. I've been warned not to go there and let anyone know I'm a Ravens fan. In Baltimore I've seen other teams fans at the stadium wearing their garb, I recall talking to some Bengals fans before one game, no problem.

More cliches...every one of these photos is taken from the Heinz Field parking lot by the way. Ravens fans seem quite welcome to park and tailgate there to me. Maybe your friends are just ignorant di.cks?

http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/tailgating/pictures/pghstlrsrvnsfans.JPG

http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/tailgating/pictures/ravenssteelers030906.jpg

http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/tailgating/pictures/ravensfansinburgh.jpg

http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/tailgating/pictures/ravensfansinburgh2.jpg

The horror. :horror:

I somehow think your friends were either too drunk and belligerent (therefore exaggerating) or are just di.cks (and exaggerating). I've never heard of anyone having any real problems at Heinz Field. This isn't Philly.

Riddle_Of_Steel
10-02-2010, 05:36 PM
It's kind of like the "pythagorean theory" in Major League baseball. That theory holds that a formula which compares runs scored VS given up is way of taking away the "luck factor" in winning (or losing) a lot of close games.

What the h3ll does this have to do with the Pythagorean Theorem? I thought the Pythagorean Theorem was about a^2 + b^2 = c^2 when dealing with right triangles....

Same concept holds for NFL.

So now, we have:

baseball = Pythagorean Theorem
baseball = football

*slaps forhead*

If the Steelers have beaten the Ravens a lot of close games you can't expect that to continue.

Why not? The Ravens have done nothing to change this.

The Ravens could easily have won several of those games against the Steelers.

Well, then, why didn't they?

The Steelers have won a lot of close games against the Ravens the last few years,

They've won a lot of not-so-close games against the Ravens as well. What is your point?

but they have been outscored, and one would not expect this run of Steeler good luck (and Raven bad luck) to continue.

Your "outscored" figures are silly and a waste of time. Those numbers are skewed because of the two blowouts in 2006. Take those two Ravens wins away and the numbers are not even close....

As for Sundays game, without Big Ben I don't see the Steelers having much success against the Ravens.

Yeah, because the Ravens beat us decisively with Dennis Pick Six Dixon at QB last year, right? It took all the Ratbirds had to eek out that win....

Remember how the Ravens made Sanchez and the Jets look totally incompetent in the first game on offense..

Sanchez does a good enough job of making himself look totally incompetent on his own. The Ravens simply helped him out....

That is likely to repeat itself on Sunday.

Based on what? Your guys could barely handle Dennis Dixon-- how are they supposed to do so much better against an experienced veteran QB?

Sanchez has seen a lot more snaps than Charlie Batch the last year, and the Ravens made Sanchez look like he didn't belong in the NFL in that game.

Sanchez saw a LOT more snaps than Dennis Dixon last year, and Dennis almost made the Ravens defense look like it didn't belong in the NFL in that game. You seem to be strategically avoiding talking about Dennis Dixon in any of your mind-numbing rants-- and that is much more current information (just last season) than trying to hang your hat on scoring totals for the last decade.....

Flacco and the Ravens offense got on track last week,

Against the Browns, mind you.

Rice ready to go

If Chris Johnson could only manage 34 yards on 16 carries, Michael Turner 61 yards, I don't give a gimped up Ray Rice much of a chance running into the buzz saw he is going to be slamming into Sunday....

a revamped Ravens offense

Revamped? You added one guy that has made any significatn contribution to your offense at all (Boldin). Whoeyourmama has been invisible, Joe Sucko (Kyle Boller version 2.1.4.45) has been his usual interception machine, and Ray Rice hasn't done squat. And suddenly, they are going to go up against the league's best defense and they are going to light it up?

Comedy....

Steelers 34
Ravens 6

Riddle_Of_Steel
10-02-2010, 05:44 PM
Well let's be objective about that too. The referees had quite a lot to do with the Seattle Superbowl, and one of the refs even admitted that last month.

What that one, single referee said while hanging around the Gatorade cooler at Seahwaks training camp is of no consequence. The NFL Officiating Committee already weighed in, reviewed ALL of the calls in SB XL, and deemed all of them appropriate.

Mike Piera chimed in regarding those comments and basically told Bill Leavy to STFU, all the calls were reviewed and upheld:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/ref-taking-super-mistakes-too-hard

The Steelers needed a last minute drive to beat the Cardinals. When the Ravens won their Super Bowl against the Giants that was total domination by the better team in the Super Bowl.

So our win in SB XLIII doesn't count because it was close? Wow. Talk about confirmation bias....

Riddle_Of_Steel
10-02-2010, 05:48 PM
At any rate your facts about the Steelers winning games is true, But the whole point of this thread is that most of the Ravens Steelers games have been close, and the Ravens have outscored the steelers.

Convenient change of subject, that one....not sure why you obsess over this "outscored since 2005" thingy. What matters is W and L, and the reason why we have more wins is because most of those points came from two blowouts in 2006. Take those away and the Steelers have owned the Ravens since 2005 in pretty much every category.

And it is not realistic to expect to continue to win close games, it just doesn't happen that way in the NFL. Over the long run the close game wins and losses do tend to even out.

Please provide a valid source of information or corroborating stats. Over the long run, it looks like the Ravens have done little to change the fact they have been the Steelers' b1tches since 2005 and it looks like the Steelers have a pretty good chance of taking a big, huge, duece-duece on the Raven's head again tomorrow.....

stb_steeler
10-02-2010, 06:00 PM
Something else I'd like to bring up. Some guys at work said they traveled from Baltimore to Pittsburgh to see the playoff game a couple of years ago, and they were told they couldn't even park in the parking lot because they were wearing Ravens garb. Then when they got into Heinz field they said they were threatened and challenged to fights all through the game.

Now I wasn't there at Heinz field and I don't know if this really happened as they said, but I have heard enough stories like this to think there may be some truth to it. I was considering going to that playoff game in Pittsburgh myself but now I'm glad I didn't go. I've been warned not to go there and let anyone know I'm a Ravens fan. In Baltimore I've seen other teams fans at the stadium wearing their garb, I recall talking to some Bengals fans before one game, no problem.

Dude are you 12....Now your just makin shyte up! :mad:

stb_steeler
10-02-2010, 06:03 PM
We partied before and after the Monday night game with some of the best Ravens fans that we have never met, till that day, hell they even bought us some drinks. We had a great time!

bobby jr
10-02-2010, 07:31 PM
Why shouldn't the 2006 blowouts be counted? If the Steelers had blown the Ravens out I don't think that argument would be made. The Ravens played up to their potential in those games and they had the better team. By far.

Joe Flacco isn't Tom Brady but he's a good solid QB and he is due for a big game against Pittsburgh. To compare him to Kyle Boller or call him an interception machine is absurd. Boller was invariably one of the lowest ranked QB's in the NFL, Flacco was above average in QB ratings last year. He had a terrible game against Cincinnati this year but his mechanics were off and Harborough got him straightened out, I heard this discussed on the radio. He wasn't dropping back quickly enough and getting set correctly for his passes this was what was wrong, Coach got him straight and it showed last week against Cleveland.

As for the Steelers defense, The Steelers have an age problem. Their defense is one of the oldest in the NFL and this fact was brought out in the Sports Illustrated story on the Steelers this week. How well will this defense hold up over the long NFL season? Will Troy P's knee hold up for the whole season? It didn't last year and knee problems tend to recur. I don't wish injury on anyone but one must be realistic about the possibility that he may go down again this year and the Steelers defense was significantly weakened last year without him.

As for Heinz field being friendly to visiting Ravens fans, all I can say is I've heard otherwise. The perspective from Baltimore County is different. My friends tell me it's OK to go to Tennessee to see a Titans game but don't go to Pittsburgh to see the Steelers because you might get beer poured on you, challenged to fights, insulted.
If this type of thing happened in Baltimore to Steelers fans well that is wrong too, but I don't think Baltimore fans have that type of reputation in general.

whatdoiknow
10-02-2010, 07:39 PM
Troy has had one knee problem, and it wasn't serious, just nagging cause he tried to push it. Hell Ray Lewis has more knee Issues than Troy. And Pittsburgh has 4 older defensive players in Aaron Smith, Farrior, Hampton and Harrison. But James has little wear and tear due to his later start. And the Steelers are set at replacing all of the others with guys who are already good players. BTW Little Bobby, I see you totally avoiding me when I PROVED that the Ravens did Indeed run up that 31-7 score back in 2006. When you said that they didn't. They had all their starters in the game in under 6 minutes to play up 21-7, and even scored a late TD with J.Lewis with under 2 minutes to play. If that Ain't running up the score, then nobody here knows what running up the scoreboard is. Look, if this stupid thread makes you Happy, and makes you think that your " RatBirds " have a chance tomorrow...great! Lets see you come here tomorrow around 4PM and say that.

bobby jr
10-02-2010, 07:46 PM
I bet you are-- I wouldn't want to spend my hard-earned money to travel to a city that I hate, only to see my team get buried for the third time by the same team that season either...





I won't respond to your insults but I wlll respond to this. All three of those games in 2008 were close and the Ravens could have easily won 2 of those 3 games against the Steelers.
The Ravens were not buried in one of those 3 games. Not one.

. One of the games the Ravens seemed to have stopped the go ahead TD just short of the goal line at the end of the game and the Ravens had the lead, but the refs overruled and gave the Steelers the go ahead TD. even the announcers said there was not irrefutable visual evidence the ball broke the plane of the goal line and they said the overrule was poor call.

Also I don't hate Pittsburgh I've been there several times even went to a Pirates game once, at their old stadium. But I believe the Steelers are overrated as compared to the Ravens, have been for years, and the Ravens have the better team.

SteelCityMom
10-02-2010, 07:50 PM
LMFAO...dude, you are terribly biased. Of course you think Baltimore is a great place for visiting fans...you are a Ravens fan.

I'm not saying shit doesn't happen, but it's not the norm. There are assholes at every teams stadium...get over it.

As for Flacco, his QB rating is 66.3 right now. That is BELOW average. So far this year, he HAS been a TO machine. 5 Ints and 4 TDs.

And no, it's not fair to compare Flacco to Boller in QB ratings, since Boller hasn't started an entire season since 2004, but saying that Flacco is an above average QB is just laughable. Seriously. 22nd in '08, 13th in '09 and 27th so far this year is NOT above average lol. Get your head outta your ass.

bobby jr
10-02-2010, 07:50 PM
Troy has had one knee problem, and it wasn't serious, just nagging cause he tried to push it. Hell Ray Lewis has more knee Issues than Troy. And Pittsburgh has 4 older defensive players in Aaron Smith, Farrior, Hampton and Harrison. But James has little wear and tear due to his later start. And the Steelers are set at replacing all of the others with guys who are already good players. BTW Little Bobby, I see you totally avoiding me when I PROVED that the Ravens did Indeed run up that 31-7 score back in 2006. When you said that they didn't. They had all their starters in the game in under 6 minutes to play up 21-7, and even scored a late TD with J.Lewis with under 2 minutes to play. If that Ain't running up the score, then nobody here knows what running up the scoreboard is. Look, if this stupid thread makes you Happy, and makes you think that your " RatBirds " have a chance tomorrow...great! Lets see you come here tomorrow around 4PM and say that.

I already responded to that running up the score business. When your team has a 14 point lead with six minutes to go the game is not over, a TD and an onside kick, and the game is tied before you know it. Coach Billick and Coach Harborough have too much class to run up the score needlessly that is not the Ravens style, never has been.

As for tomorrow I may be at the Orioles game at 1:00 , I like to go to the last game of the season. But I'm sure if I go they will keep us updated on the Ravens game and I expect to enjoy reading about their victory, and watching replays, after I come home.

SteelCityMom
10-02-2010, 07:55 PM
But I believe the Steelers are overrated as compared to the Ravens, have been for years, and the Ravens have the better team.

Based on what? Points against and a great year in 2006???

You're hilariously delusional. You guys can barely even eek out wins against teams like the Browns right now, meanwhile the Steelers are beating legit teams like the Falcons and Titans with 2nd and 4th string QBs and a patchwork offense. LMFAO!

Hey, how come you're still not saying anything about Dixon (who had never played and NFL game before) walking into your building and taking the mighty Ravens into OT? You seem to really be skirting that game last year for some reason. I wonder why.

Also, I'm willing to concede that the Ravens might win tomorrow. But it won't be by much, and it will only be because of TO's...not because of Flacco's mediocre talent.

P.S 2 SB's in 5 years >>>>>>>0 SB's in 5 years.

Better team for years my ass. :rofl:

SteelCityMom
10-02-2010, 08:11 PM
Wow...the sound of a troll running away from a girl is deafening.

How come you never argue with me bobbbbbbyyyy!!!!!!

:rofl:

bobby jr
10-02-2010, 08:40 PM
The Ravens did win the game when Dixon started. It shouldn't have been as close as it was, but the Ravens didn't play as well as they should have that day, and the Steelers probably tried harder to make up for their backup starting.

Every team has games during the season when they have an emotional letdown for whatever reason and don't play as well as they should have. But you can't count on starting a mediocre backup QB and beating the Ravens, whether you're playing at home or not. The Baltimore Ravens are one of the premier teams in the NFL.

Oh and as for Flacco's QB rating he was above average last year, the previous year he was a rookie and of course didn't have a high rating. This year he got off to a slow start but he's coming on strong now just ask Cleveland. As I said he got his mechanical problems ironed out and he's ready to use his new receivers tomorrow, this could be a breakout game for the whole offense.

This will probably be my last post until after the game, and maybe not even then. To be frank I anticipate that the Ravens will win easily tomorrow, and I am not the type to go to others forums and gloat after a blowout.

SteelCityMom
10-02-2010, 08:49 PM
The Ravens did win the game when Dixon started. It shouldn't have been as close as it was, but the Ravens didn't play as well as they should have that day, and the Steelers probably tried harder to make up for their backup starting.

Funny, I could have sworn you said the Ravens have been a far superior team for years (that would include last year)...doesn't make sense that a "far superior" team would let an untested QB like Dixon take them into OT.

My only conclusion is that you don't know what the term "far superior" means. :noidea:

(psssst...it means much, much better...not losing most of time and barely eeking out wins, especially against an offense led by DD).

Every team has games during the season when they have an emotional letdown for whatever reason and don't play as well as they should have. But you can't count on starting a mediocre backup QB and beating the Ravens, whether you're playing at home or not. The Baltimore Ravens are one of the premier teams in the NFL.

:rofl: I can't stop laughing at this. Seriously.

Guess what, the Steelers are actually one of the premier teams in the league right now...with 2nd and 4th string backup QBs.


Oh and as for Flacco's QB rating he was above average last year, the previous year he was a rookie and of course didn't have a high rating. This year he got off to a slow start but he's coming on strong now just ask Cleveland. As I said he got his mechanical problems ironed out and he's ready to use his new receivers tomorrow, this could be a breakout game for the whole offense.

Come on...it's the Browns. You're bragging about the Browns. Do you know why no one is really bragging about absolutely destroying the Bucs (unlike you bragging about Flacco and Co. barely beating the Browns)...it's cause it's the Bucs (who are better than the Browns). Winning by 7 points in the 4th quarter is not an "ass-whoopin" and the Ravens never really dominated the Browns until the end of the game. Did you even watch that game?

I'm extremely amused that you say he's "coming on strong" and to "just ask Cleveland". Did you manage to type that with a straight face too?

P.S. Just so you know, Batch threw for 3 TDs last week too...against a better defense than Flacco "came on strong" against. I know the Ravens defense is much, much better than the Bucs, but I expect Batch to take care of the ball that much better...that's all he really needs to do, considering your run defense is absolutely abysmal this year and we have a couple of really good runners. Flacco has a very, very bad track record against this D. The Steelers D is NOT the Browns D.



This will probably be my last post until after the game, and maybe not even then. To be frank I anticipate that the Ravens will win easily tomorrow, and I am not the type to go to others forums and gloat after a blowout.

I know you'll be back if they win, and won't show your face until the next matchup if they lose. Though my name says I've only been here since August, I've been here longer and already know your MO.

Win easily...LOLOL. You're good for a hearty laugh...I'll give you that much.

SteelCityMom
10-02-2010, 09:11 PM
Rushing attack is going to be key against the Ravens this week.

Ravens are 22nd in rush defense and the Steelers are 3 in rush offense. Like I said, as long as Batch doesn't force anything and allow TO's in bad spots, the Steelers rushing attack and defense should take care of the rest.

pancake
10-02-2010, 09:31 PM
I would be too embarrassed to say we got everything straighted out against Cleveland when you only won by a TD.... :rofl:


Here is something for little Bobby.

What a team did last year or before has no bearing on this game. Both teams will be 0-0 before kickoff. Who ever plays the best will win... That simple.

The only stats I care about are wins, which means nothing to this game, but Steelers trophy case looks a lot better than the Ratbirds...


I think Ravens over-rated team will show tomorrow. :wave:

Ravnet
10-02-2010, 11:09 PM
In Baltimore I've seen other teams fans at the stadium wearing their garb, I recall talking to some Bengals fans before one game, no problem.

Yeah, because the fans in Baltimore were so kind to Indy followers in the playoffs.

mikegrimey
10-03-2010, 01:53 AM
But I believe the Steelers are overrated as compared to the Ravens, have been for years, and the Ravens have the better team.
s for Heinz field being friendly to visiting Ravens fans, all I can say is I've heard otherwise.


Your main problem consists in going entirely with what you "think" not what's the truth.

Take your first quote. "I believe..." alls you're saying is you think the Steelers are overrated compared to the Ravens. Although you go on to say definitively that the ravens "have the better team" although you have no factual evidence to prove this, so it might as well be your partial opinion.

The second quote just makes he laugh "I've heard otherwise" oh really now? So, despite having no personal experience or facts to back up your idea that Heinz Field is a hostile place for fans of visitors, you choose to believe it is simply because you've heard otherwise?
The point is you've shown you have little clue about what you're talking about, sticking mostly to your gut instead of with facts.

I've only been to Heinz Field once, so I won't comment on whether or not its a hostile place. I've never been to the Raven's stadium and you definitely won't see me trying to insinuate Baltimore's fans are all jerks just because "I've heard" it.

As for the Ravens being a better team than the Steelers, where are you deriving this from?

Since your Superbowl run in 2000 you all haven't reached the heights like we have.
We ousted you from the playoffs in 2001, advantage Steelers

You didn't even make the playoffs in 2002, we finished 13-3 and made it to the afc title game. Advantage Steelers.

In 03 you all made the playoffs and we were terrible, you were better that year.

In 2004 we went 15-1 and made it to the AFC title game, you all finished 9-7 and failed to qualify.

In 2005 we went 11-5 and won the Superbowl, nuff said. Except that you all finished 6-10.

In 2006 we finished 8-8 and you swept us on the way to going 13-3 record, before losing to Indianapolis in the divisonal round. You were superior to us that year as well.

In 2007 we went 10-6, won the division, but lost in the wild card round. Fared far better than you all though, who went 5-11 and gave the atroscious dolphins their only win of the season.

In 2008 we went 12-4 and beat you 3 times on the way to winning the Superbowl. Point out all you want that all 3 games were hotly contested, but we were superior to you that year, you don't beat a team 3 times on accident.

In 2009 we each finished 9-7 and split the regular season series while getting upstaged by the Bengals of all teams. You all did what we couldn't though, and beat scrub teams like the raiders and chiefs, and qualified for the playoffs, losing in the divisional round. You got the better of us this year as well.

So, since you last won a superbowl, 10 years ago, you all have finished better than us in 00, 03,06,09. We've finished better than you in 01,02,04,05,07,08. You can point out that we had 3 competitive close games in 08, but I could also point out that we finished with the same record in 09 and the game you won against us was with the greenest of green dennis dixons at QB. Those cry-baby theories cancel eachother out. The Steelers still end up with the advantage.

So over the last decade the Steelers have been decidiedley BETTER than the Ravens, in no way are the Ravens a better team.
If they are better how could you explain our better preformances in each year of the last decade except for 3?

Notice that I didn't even bother going into pre-2000, when the Ravens didn't even make the playoffs, if you take their whole existence into account, the Steeler's would have an even greater advantage.

You're clearly speaking out of a home town bias and not relying on the truth to support your arguments.
I respect the Ravens as a team a lot, they are always a worthy foe, but it's delusion to say they have been better than the Steelers in their existence.

MikeHaullace
10-03-2010, 03:38 AM
Yet another thread that really shouldn't have lasted this deep...

Anyone that is anyone knows that this is a complete asinine argument to have.

Fact of the matter is, these two teams look forward to playing each other twice a year. *Usually*, they matchup very well and deliver a smash-mouth, how-football-was-intended performance. Not *one* of the players on the field or coaches on the sideline gives a damn about how many points are scored against one another. It's all about snatching the W from the enemy. That's it right there. Baltimore vs. Pittsburgh is all about the win.

Who has scored more points in the last X amount of years is nonsense. It's reaching for an argument for success. Get over it. Really. It's a nonsense statistic that no one, except you, cares about.

/thread

bobby jr
10-03-2010, 07:18 AM
As I've pointed out before, the Ravens have outscored the Steelers over the last five years. Interpret that as you want, but to me it indicates the Ravens have more than held their own against the Steelers.

And insofar as points scored VS given up against ALL teams, the Ravens were far better than the Steelers in this stat last year. In other words, the Ravens were a powerhouse team which was far better than their 9-7 record would indicate last year. Their wins included a lot of blowouts, and their losses were close games which could have gone either way. Looking at points scored VS given up the Ravens are far better than a 9-7 team in 2009.

The two teams personnel hasn't changed all that much since last year to bring the Steelers up to the Ravens level, except the Ravens are better. T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Anquan Bolden are a huge upgrade for the Ravens receiving corps.

I'm expecting a Ravens win today by two touchdowns. Now, I've got things to do before the Orioles game. The Orioles finished very strong this year, next year will likely see two winning teams in Baltimore, the Ravens and the Orioles.

StainlessStill
10-03-2010, 08:32 AM
As I've pointed out before, the Ravens have outscored the Steelers over the last five years. Interpret that as you want, but to me it indicates the Ravens have more than held their own against the Steelers.

And insofar as points scored VS given up against ALL teams, the Ravens were far better than the Steelers in this stat last year. In other words, the Ravens were a powerhouse team which was far better than their 9-7 record would indicate last year. Their wins included a lot of blowouts, and their losses were close games which could have gone either way. Looking at points scored VS given up the Ravens are far better than a 9-7 team in 2009.

The two teams personnel hasn't changed all that much since last year to bring the Steelers up to the Ravens level, except the Ravens are better. T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Anquan Bolden are a huge upgrade for the Ravens receiving corps.

I'm expecting a Ravens win today by two touchdowns. Now, I've got things to do before the Orioles game. The Orioles finished very strong this year, next year will likely see two winning teams in Baltimore, the Ravens and the Orioles.


As I've pointed out before, the Ravens have outscored the Steelers over the last five years. Interpret that as you want, but to me it indicates the Ravens have more than held their own against the Steelers.

DUDE, let me just go ahead and anoint you Mr.Captain obvious of year 2010. You mean to tell me it took you THIS long to understand that this Steelers/Ravens rivarly "holds their own" within the division? This stupid shit needs to stop. Everyone knows this and we aren't taking anything away from your Ravens and what they offer to this rivarly and vice versa, but lets get real. The Steelers own the Ravens overall in every category when talking overall performance.

What the hell is there to interpret? The Steelers and Ravens always plays tight games and are so unbelievably similiar to one another. Division rivals who realistically are the two consistent teams fighting for the AFC North. I bet you could find very similiar stats around the rest of the league as well when talking rivalry/division. These two teams are the most fieriest rivalry's in the game. We understand this.

Since 2005, we played 10 games within the division, and we split 5-5. During that time period, you faced 3 Steelers bench quarterbacks in Tommy Maddox, Charlie Batch, and Dennis Dixon, so somewhere along the line, this obsession you have with this "points scored" needs to be taking into jest and needs to be written between the lines.

In 2005, we beat you by 1 point in the first game, but lost our second game in overtime (Tommy Maddox) and you beat us by 3.

In 2006, you beat a very poor, poor Steelers team with a quarterback in shambles by a grand total of 58-7 which was a complete FLUKE of a season for the Steelers givin their off-field dilemma for almost losing their star QB to death.

In 2007, we were back to form and healthy and beat you up 38-7 in the first game, but rested our starters (Charlie Batch + defensive backups) the second game with the Steelers losing 27-21.

In 2008, we swept you by a grand total of 7 points with virtually no offense to speak of, on our way to a Title.

In 2009, again, you beat a 3rd string QB and it took you until overtime to do so, beating us by 3 while a healthy Roethlisberger beat you in the second game by 3.

If you notice a trend and if you use your brain, besides that fluke of a season in 2006 losing by 58 total points (the bulk of your points) the Steelers have held their own against your "powerhouse" Ravens just as much as you held your own against us, with us coming out on top the last few years.

You pointed out that your Ravens have "outscored" the Steelers 210 points, to our 198. That's a WHOPPING 12 point differential but the key denominator in all of those points scored came in one year in 2006, and against a Steelers team down to their bench quarterback or resting starters, so the Ravens haven't played the Steelers full strength during that time period, and even with our backups in the game against your elite players, we STILL were in the game for the most part.

As you can see, it's not that big of a difference in point totals considering the fact that we laid our starters down in one game, got beaten by 58 total grand fluke points in one year, and played with 2 other backups during that time span. Before you come in here pounding your chest and comparing dick sizes, realize that there really isn't much there to your arguments when you really look into the facts on why and how all those points could, or couldn't have been scored.

And insofar as points scored VS given up against ALL teams, the Ravens were far better than the Steelers in this stat last year. In other words, the Ravens were a powerhouse team which was far better than their 9-7 record would indicate last year. Their wins included a lot of blowouts, and their losses were close games which could have gone either way. Looking at points scored VS given up the Ravens are far better than a 9-7 team in 2009.

Why do you want to talk about last year? Did you win the Super Bowl? No, so what the hell does it matter? You were no better than us. We split the division 1-1 while beating our backups QB making his first start ever and it took you O.T to do so. You played to a mediocre level at full strength versus the Steelers 9-7 record with an abortion and plethora of marquee injuries.

Let's get real. The Ravens were far from being a "power house of a team." It was the Bengals who swept the division and the Ravens were only in the hunt during the second half of the year because the Steelers melted down during a 5 game stretch.

Why do you think so many teams were all bungled up at the end of the year to gain the 5th and 6th WC spots? Because the Steelers lost their 4th quarter meltdowns and allowed those teams like the Titans, Dolphins, Texans and YES, even the Ravens to have a shot at the playoffs. The Ravens were a average last season and fell during the middle half, and some questioned whether they'd be in the running until the Steelers paved the way. As "dominating" as you claim to be, it took you until Week 17 against Oakland to clinch a playoff spot!

Stats are stats, you can look in between the lines and claim anything, but the fact of the matter is, that during that 2005 time span head to head, the Steelers won 2 Division titles to the Ravens 1, split 5-5 with backups playing in the lineup and won 2 Super Bowl titles, BEATING BALTIMORE in the process in the 2008 AFC Title game to win our record shattering 6th Lombardi Trophy.

Since 2005, the Steelers are 2-0 in the Super Bowl Champion category, and are 1-0 against Baltimore in the playoffs. Take your "most points scored" dildo out of your ass for one second and realize that the Ravens, and the rest of the North have had their eyes set on ousting the Steelers in the division and draft/sign players to beat Pittsburgh. Baltimore, Cincy, and Cleve will always be looking up to the Steelers on how to beat them, end of story. PERIOD.

You have no argument and if you claim it to be one, then this is argument for the sake of argument because this points scored BS is irrelevant to the fact that we own you and you need something to grasp within your stay here.

stb_steeler
10-03-2010, 09:35 AM
As I've pointed out before, the Ravens have outscored the Steelers over the last five years. Interpret that as you want, but to me it indicates the Ravens have more than held their own against the Steelers.

And insofar as points scored VS given up against ALL teams, the Ravens were far better than the Steelers in this stat last year. In other words, the Ravens were a powerhouse team which was far better than their 9-7 record would indicate last year. Their wins included a lot of blowouts, and their losses were close games which could have gone either way. Looking at points scored VS given up the Ravens are far better than a 9-7 team in 2009.

The two teams personnel hasn't changed all that much since last year to bring the Steelers up to the Ravens level, except the Ravens are better. T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Anquan Bolden are a huge upgrade for the Ravens receiving corps.

I'm expecting a Ravens win today by two touchdowns. Now, I've got things to do before the Orioles game. The Orioles finished very strong this year, next year will likely see two winning teams in Baltimore, the Ravens and the Orioles.

WE'LL SEE after the game if you still troll your ass in here!!!

SteelCityMom
10-03-2010, 09:46 AM
Now, I've got things to do before the Orioles game. The Orioles finished very strong this year, next year will likely see two winning teams in Baltimore, the Ravens and the Orioles.

Now I know you're completely delusional and have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Evey point you've ever made has just lost it's validity completely. I suggest no one respond to this boy anymore b/c he is way, way off his rocker and needs serious help.

BTW....66-95 (.410) is NOT finishing very strong. That is what the Orioles (who are about as good as the Pirates) W/L numbers are right now. Next year, you will likely see more of the same out of them (like the Pirates).

Go get some common sense and a clue and then maybe someone might take you seriously...cause so far, everything you've said is a joke.

SteelCityMom
10-03-2010, 02:55 PM
Well done on the 3 point win. Ravens deserved it by how weak our D was today. See you next time with Ben and a pissed off D.

StainlessStill
10-03-2010, 03:12 PM
The D knows what to give up and they know how to play Baltimore. The only way Baltimore knows how to play us and actually have enough to beat us is with our backup QB's. What was the stat? Inside Baltimore's 35 yard line, 2 yards and 0 points at one point? 2 missed field goals as well.

I don't sweat Baltimore. Kind of reminded me of the Giants game a few years back when Harrison snapped the ball over our kickers head. 2 false starts and a holding penalty gave them the field position needed with 1:08 left to seal it. We had them, we drove 93 yards on them with a 14-10 lead. We'll get them next time.

3-1 is big.

GMU Steeler
10-03-2010, 03:21 PM
Now I know you're completely delusional and have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Evey point you've ever made has just lost it's validity completely. I suggest no one respond to this boy anymore b/c he is way, way off his rocker and needs serious help.

BTW....66-95 (.410) is NOT finishing very strong. That is what the Orioles (who are about as good as the Pirates) W/L numbers are right now. Next year, you will likely see more of the same out of them (like the Pirates).

Go get some common sense and a clue and then maybe someone might take you seriously...cause so far, everything you've said is a joke.

In fairness as a rare Steelers-Orioles fan, the Orioles did finish impressively. They were really bad to start the year. They were in '62 Mets territory for a long time. They hired their new manager in August and he still managed more wins than the first two managers had. Plus their young players will get better. But in football he's silly to say that the Ravens are better than the Steelers the past decade.

bobby jr
10-03-2010, 07:25 PM
WE'LL SEE after the game if you still troll your ass in here!!!

Well I am here after the game. I didn't see it because I was at the Orioles game, but there was a huge cheer at Camden Yards when they put the score up on the scoreboard.
The Orioles lost but the Ravens win was obviously more important. This puts us at 3-1 and in first place in the Division, we have the tiebreaker edge on the Steelers now.
I've read about the Steelers Ravens game so I know what happened.

As for the game yes I am surprised it was close, I expected the Ravens to win by 14 instead of 3. But I was right about this point: The Ravens were not going to continue to lose close games to the Steelers.

I have watched NFL football since I was a kid and the Colts lost to the Jets in 1969.
I know that no team can count on continuing to win close games, these things even out in the long run.

Plus with the Ravens revamped receiving corps, this was a key to the win today.
The Steelers couldn't shut down such talent for the whole game, even with good defense.

I believe that if the Ravens have to beat the Steelers 3 times this year, they may well do that.
It happened to us a couple of years ago and we lost 3 close games to the Steelers.
Turnabout is fair play.

MaidenIndiana
10-03-2010, 07:30 PM
Well I am here after the game. I didn't see it because I was at the Orioles game, but there was a huge cheer at Camden Yards when they put the score up on the scoreboard.
The Orioles lost but the Ravens win was obviously more important. This puts us at 3-1 and in first place in the Division, we have the tiebreaker edge on the Steelers now.
I've read about the Steelers Ravens game so I know what happened.

As for the game yes I am surprised it was close, I expected the Ravens to win by 14 instead of 3. But I was right about this point: The Ravens were not going to continue to lose close games to the Steelers.

I have watched NFL football since I was a kid and the Colts lost to the Jets in 1969.
I know that no team can count on continuing to win close games, these things even out in the long run.

Plus with the Ravens revamped receiving corps, this was a key to the win today.
The Steelers couldn't shut down such talent for the whole game, even with good defense.

I believe that if the Ravens have to beat the Steelers 3 times this year, they may well do that.
It happened to us a couple of years ago and we lost 3 close games to the Steelers.
Turnabout is fair play.

**** YOU TROLL!

SteelCityMom
10-03-2010, 07:31 PM
Again, good game today...see you in week 13 with Ben (who the Ravens haven't beaten, home or away, since '06).

Turnabout surely is fair play, and there will be plenty of that with Ben back.

StainlessStill
10-03-2010, 07:33 PM
Well I am here after the game. I didn't see it because I was at the Orioles game, but there was a huge cheer at Camden Yards when they put the score up on the scoreboard.
The Orioles lost but the Ravens win was obviously more important. This puts us at 3-1 and in first place in the Division, we have the tiebreaker edge on the Steelers now.
I've read about the Steelers Ravens game so I know what happened.

As for the game yes I am surprised it was close, I expected the Ravens to win by 14 instead of 3. But I was right about this point: The Ravens were not going to continue to lose close games to the Steelers.

I have watched NFL football since I was a kid and the Colts lost to the Jets in 1969.
I know that no team can count on continuing to win close games, these things even out in the long run.

Plus with the Ravens revamped receiving corps, this was a key to the win today.
The Steelers couldn't shut down such talent for the whole game, even with good defense.

I believe that if the Ravens have to beat the Steelers 3 times this year, they may well do that.
It happened to us a couple of years ago and we lost 3 close games to the Steelers.
Turnabout is fair play.

Sorry dude, no way the Ravens can beat this Steelers team 3 times. The Steelers did what they could do and even had a goal line stand against the Ravens in the final minute. The penalties throughout the game and the way we finished was terrible, esp on offense where we had 2 false starts and a holding call that gave you the ball at the 40 yard line. We were gassed at that point and got beat on a double move, but the Steelers let 6 solid points on the field as well as not converting on turnovers in the Ravens end.

The Steelers certainly had the game in their hands and I don't know what your talking about with the "no team can count on winning close games" statement. Both of these teams have been doing it for decades so I don't know what your talking about but with Ben back in the lineup, and how we didn't get dominated by the Ravens by no means, we have a new start of the season with Ben coming back. You'll see us at full strength. Take advantage of our backups yearly, but next time will be widely different.

bobby jr
10-03-2010, 08:03 PM
I don't think Ben will make that much difference. The Steelers will have to play the Ravens at M+T Bank Stadium and a howling hostile crowd that will more than make up the difference in QB. The Steelers didn't exactly blow the Ravens out last year with Ben either.

didn't see the game today but from what I read the Ravens certainly could have won by more. They missed a TD earlier in the 4th quarter when they had it down to the 2 yard line. Plus several stupid mistakes and turnover.

I
The Ravens offense will be clicking when they have a rematch, and the Steelers defense may well be wearing down, due to age and injury. If the Ravens beat the Steelers in Baltimore, the Steelers will be hard pressed to even make the playoffs.

MasterOfPuppets
10-03-2010, 08:05 PM
Well I am here after the game. I didn't see it because I was at the Orioles game, but there was a huge cheer at Camden Yards when they put the score up on the scoreboard.
The Orioles lost but the Ravens win was obviously more important. This puts us at 3-1 and in first place in the Division, we have the tiebreaker edge on the Steelers now.
I've read about the Steelers Ravens game so I know what happened.

As for the game yes I am surprised it was close, I expected the Ravens to win by 14 instead of 3. But I was right about this point: The Ravens were not going to continue to lose close games to the Steelers.

I have watched NFL football since I was a kid and the Colts lost to the Jets in 1969.
I know that no team can count on continuing to win close games, these things even out in the long run.

Plus with the Ravens revamped receiving corps, this was a key to the win today.
The Steelers couldn't shut down such talent for the whole game, even with good defense.

I believe that if the Ravens have to beat the Steelers 3 times this year, they may well do that.
It happened to us a couple of years ago and we lost 3 close games to the Steelers.
Turnabout is fair play.
i got news for ya booby.... given the circumstances (back up qb) , i wouldn't be feelin to good about this game if i was a raven fan. for whatever the reason, the steelers didn't try to put much pressure on flacco, mostly 3 and 4 man rushes, and it still took flacco 37 passes to get 250 yds.

StainlessStill
10-03-2010, 08:25 PM
]I don't think Ben will make that much difference.

To say Ben won't make a difference is ridiculous. He certainly has in EVERY matchup against Baltimore, even when our offense was inept. He'll take over a gelling offense that could move the ball with him under center. NEXT.

The Steelers didn't exactly blow the Ravens out last year with Ben either.

You mean in that hostile crowd at Baltimore? It took Baltimore until the overtime period to beat Dennis Dixon. If you mean the second game, remember that the Steelers had a bad offense, a bad running game, and a defense that was without marquee players that blew leads. This isn't 2008, and with Ben back and the overall stature and improvement of our offense, expect a different team from here on out.


didn't see the game today but from what I read the Ravens certainly could have won by more. They missed a TD earlier in the 4th quarter when they had it down to the 2 yard line. Plus several stupid mistakes and turnover.

That must have been a bad article because it was the Steelers who FORCED 2 turnovers, in the Ravens end of the field. It was the Steelers who stalled with bad play calling and missing 2 field goals during that stretch. Baltimore was stifled against the Steelers defense twice in the fourth quarter. The Steelers made spectacular plays in stands.

Consider the penalties that gave you that position as well. They called a defensive holding on Harrison when it was Derrick Mason who just fell to the ground so Baltimore got their wish and finally got the calls their way ALL GAME.

The Ravens offense will be clicking when they have a rematch, and the Steelers defense may well be wearing down, due to age and injury.

Haha, what? This is all hypothetically speaking. If you ask me, it'll be the STEELERS offense that's clicking and that Baltimore defense wearing down due to age and injury:thumbsup: See, I can do it too.

If the Ravens beat the Steelers in Baltimore, the Steelers will be hard pressed to even make the playoffs.

And if the Bengals beat Balty again and if the Browns can handle Batly the way they did as well, then the Ravens could be on the outside looking in within the division.

The Steelers are 3-1 at this point with all of the garbage we had to endure. The Ravens were supposed to be this unstoppable force on offense and they have not shown such things. It's the Steelers who have been the most impressive. The Steelers played a bad game today and still had the game in their grasp, without our elite QB, something you've had. Doesn't this concern you that the Steelers are playing the way they are without our franchise?

SteelCityMom
10-03-2010, 08:27 PM
I don't think Ben will make that much difference. The Steelers will have to play the Ravens at M+T Bank Stadium and a howling hostile crowd that will more than make up the difference in QB. The Steelers didn't exactly blow the Ravens out last year with Ben either.

didn't see the game today but from what I read the Ravens certainly could have won by more. They missed a TD earlier in the 4th quarter when they had it down to the 2 yard line. Plus several stupid mistakes and turnover.

I
The Ravens offense will be clicking when they have a rematch, and the Steelers defense may well be wearing down, due to age and injury. If the Ravens beat the Steelers in Baltimore, the Steelers will be hard pressed to even make the playoffs.

Ben makes a huge difference. Sorry you don't "think" so. More conjecture based on very few facts. That's about all we've gotten out of you.

That's great that you think the Ravens will win, I'd think you were insane if you thought differently. But you're absolutely nuts if you don't realize how having Ben back will change the game.

And yes, the Ravens had some missed opportunities, but so did the Steelers. 2 missed FGs and 2 tosses to Wallace that very easily could have gone for 6.

2 years in a row and the Raven eek out 3 point wins against backups...I wouldn't be pounding my chest too hard ya know.

bobby jr
10-03-2010, 08:41 PM
THe Ravens "eek out wins?" When was the last time the Steelers beat the Ravens by a blowout margin? It's the Steelers who have been eeking out narrow margin wins the last few years, but this is starting to even out. The last 3 games were close ones and the Steelers have lost 2 of those 3.


The Ravens have always matched up well with the Steelers and as I've mentioned before the Ravens should have won several of those close games in prior years.

The Steelers have a good team but they will be hard pressed to beat the Ravens this year. If they lose in Baltimore the best they could realistically hope for would be a wild card, and then they would have to beat the Ravens in Baltimore in the playoffs, which I don't see happening.

Cincinnati lost today and so did the Colts. This was a good day to be a Baltimore Ravens fan.

1/28/01
10-03-2010, 08:41 PM
And today we won

SteelCityMom
10-03-2010, 08:49 PM
THe Ravens "eek out wins?" When was the last time the Steelers beat the Ravens by a blowout margin? It's the Steelers who have been eeking out narrow margin wins the last few years, but this is starting to even out. The last 3 games were close ones and the Steelers have lost 2 of those 3.

I'm not the one who claimed the Ravens were the superior team over the last 5 years because of points against. I also never said the Steelers weren't winning games by small margins.

The lost 2 of the last 3 with Dixon and Batch. Both by 3 points.


The Ravens have always matched up well with the Steelers and as I've mentioned before the Ravens should have won several of those close games in prior years.


And if I had balls I'd be a man. :noidea: What's your point? If the Ravens should have won those games, they would have won those games. Period.

And yes, they do match up well. Nobody will deny that.

The Steelers have a good team but they will be hard pressed to beat the Ravens this year. If they lose in Baltimore the best they could realistically hope for would be a wild card, and then they would have to beat the Ravens in Baltimore in the playoffs, which I don't see happening.

Cincinnati lost today and so did the Colts. This was a good day to be a Baltimore Ravens fan.

I don't think it'll be as hard as some of you think it will be. I think some of you are underplaying what Ben brings to the offense. At least the Ravens team knows. They certainly won't be taking it lightly.

And yes, I enjoyed the Bungles and Colts losing today too! :thumbsup:

SteelCityMom
10-03-2010, 08:50 PM
And today we won

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bobby jr
10-03-2010, 08:52 PM
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And yes, I enjoyed the Bungles and Colts losing today too! :thumbsup:

At least we can agree on that. :)

SteelCityMom
10-03-2010, 08:57 PM
At least we can agree on that. :)

Absolutely!

As much smack talk as I know I do sometimes, I know the Ravens certainly deserved the win today, and I certainly respect them as a team.

Ravens may have more points against, and Steelers may have more wins, but no game is ever a given win for either team. That's the beauty of it. It's exciting and frustrating for both sides every game (ok, maybe not in '06...but you get my drift).

Believe me though, if we can hold the Ravens to 17 points or less again in week 13, Ben will have a great chance to win the game. This offense is not the same as what it was in '08. We'll officially be a threat on the ground and in the air. Something I think all Steelers fans have missed quite a lot the past few years.

Here's to another good matchup in December. :drink:

stb_steeler
10-03-2010, 09:40 PM
Well I am here after the game. I didn't see it because I was at the Orioles game, but there was a huge cheer at Camden Yards when they put the score up on the scoreboard.
The Orioles lost but the Ravens win was obviously more important. This puts us at 3-1 and in first place in the Division, we have the tiebreaker edge on the Steelers now.
I've read about the Steelers Ravens game so I know what happened.

As for the game yes I am surprised it was close, I expected the Ravens to win by 14 instead of 3. But I was right about this point: The Ravens were not going to continue to lose close games to the Steelers.

I have watched NFL football since I was a kid and the Colts lost to the Jets in 1969.
I know that no team can count on continuing to win close games, these things even out in the long run.

Plus with the Ravens revamped receiving corps, this was a key to the win today.
The Steelers couldn't shut down such talent for the whole game, even with good defense.

I believe that if the Ravens have to beat the Steelers 3 times this year, they may well do that.
It happened to us a couple of years ago and we lost 3 close games to the Steelers.
Turnabout is fair play.
Ravens aint beatin the Steelers 3 times this year i can tell ya that...:rofl:

mikegrimey
10-03-2010, 11:29 PM
Bobby Jr. you're hopeless. You're in here talking about a game you didn't even watch.

You claim to have "read about it" and assume this qualifies you to speak intelligently about it. Just like you believe what you "heard" about Heinz field being a hostile place for visiting team's fans.

Judging by the statements you've made you've been reading some very slanted versions of the game.

It was a good hotly contested matchup where the defense shined on both sides. The open side of Heinz Field proved deadly for special teams as ****iff and Reed both missed FGs that way (****iff one long one, Reed a long one and one shorter one).

You're D-line created havoc on Batch throughout the day, he looked very rattled through most of the game, and you all did a good job containing Mendenhall. Ray Lewis got an INT on our last play of the game.

We held your rushing attack in check and for the most part stopped Flacco from making the big play (he had one long pass to Mason who had like 75 yards in the first quarter alone). We didn't pressure Flacco that bad however, only 1 sack but Casey Hampton.

It was a good steelers/ravens game and in the end Flacco got to business and did what he had to do to pull off a win, our defense once again let go of a late 4th quarter lead (although this one isn't as egregious as last year's by any means).

You guys definnitely deserved the win

and here's the part you should pay attention to

This is how to be a classy fan

Congrats, you all were the better team and deserved to win, see you later in the year.

*Notice my "explanations" were completely void of whining, useless pontificating, pointless speculation, and bogus excuses such as "we could have won this game if blah blah blah happened". Work on it man.

steelerschik
10-04-2010, 06:42 AM
I don't think Ben will make that much difference. The Steelers will have to play the Ravens at M+T Bank Stadium and a howling hostile crowd that will more than make up the difference in QB. The Steelers didn't exactly blow the Ravens out last year with Ben either.

didn't see the game today but from what I read the Ravens certainly could have won by more. They missed a TD earlier in the 4th quarter when they had it down to the 2 yard line. Plus several stupid mistakes and turnover.

I
The Ravens offense will be clicking when they have a rematch, and the Steelers defense may well be wearing down, due to age and injury. If the Ravens beat the Steelers in Baltimore, the Steelers will be hard pressed to even make the playoffs.


Good Lord you are so unreal and delusional, I can't even believe I'm wasting my fingers posting. Congrats, you won your SB. You know nothing, again I will say NOTHING about the Steelers (or the Ravens for that matter) or how the Ravens haven't beaten the Steelers with Ben. Guess what, the Steelers should have had 6 more points as well, what's your point? The Ravens are NOT a juggernaut team. They got the win, but it's not a win I would be pounding my chest over. They won the battle of luck cause the Steelers would have been lucky to win that game as well. And don't talk about stupid mistakes, the Steelers made 11 stupid mistakes. 11 penalties don't win football games. And no it's not an excuse. An excuse would be "the refs were wearing purple". No, the Steelers earned those penalties and killed themselves. The Ravens are a good team, not a great one. You spew nothing but crap. Ravens fans talking about age on D when the 5,000 year old Ray Lewis plays? LOL, the Ravens aren't winning against the Steelers 3 times if it comes to that, I can guarantee that (see anyone can say anything and sound stupid just like you). They aren't all that and once again the Ravens will be watching the SB from home, just like they do every year. And so may the Steelers, but at least I'm not here acting like my team is the second coming and delusional enough to believe it.