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mesaSteeler
10-06-2010, 10:06 PM
Steelers players vote to decertify
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5656024&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

Associated Press

PITTSBURGH -- Pittsburgh Steelers players have voted to give the NFL Players Association their backing to decertify the union in the event of a labor lockout next year.

The Steelers are at least the 10th group of players to vote to decertify if necessary, joining players from the Packers, Bengals, Bills, Colts, Cowboys, Saints, Eagles, Redskins and Giants. The vote, with no apparent dissenters, occurred during an hour-long meeting with NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith that followed practice Wednesday.

By disbanding their union, the players could sue the NFL under antitrust laws if there is a lockout. A similar move following a 1987 labor impasse led to the 1993 agreement that created free agency.


Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press

Curtain_of_Steel
10-07-2010, 11:37 AM
I guess i'm confused with unions,lol

They union up when they want to take on managment but have minimal legal recourse, than union down so to speak when they get strong armed and want legal recrouse.

Seems like they should not be able to get their cake and eat it too.

Good old usa laws, lol

SteelersinCA
10-07-2010, 11:38 AM
Yeah, yay for unions!:coffee:

fer522
10-07-2010, 03:54 PM
now I'M really confused

steelax04
10-07-2010, 09:51 PM
I think what it's about is that if the players union would try and sue the owners on anti-trust grounds, it would be like the pot calling the kettle black... if they decertify, it gives the players the ability to sue the owners on their own.

SteelersinCA would probably be able to explain it better... and I could be way off base.

Shea
10-07-2010, 11:37 PM
I'm gonna be pissed if there isn't football next year.

SH-Rock
10-08-2010, 12:04 AM
I'm gonna be pissed if there isn't football next year.

I am going to be even more pissed if there isn't football next year and the Steelers don't win the SB this year. That'll mean that team will be the champions for 2 years.

mesaSteeler
10-08-2010, 12:06 AM
NFL says players guilty of distortion
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/print_703310.html
By Carl Prine and Scott Brown
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, October 8, 2010

The NFL has hit back at several Steelers players, accusing them of distorting what happened during a mandatory Tuesday meeting on the eve of a unanimous vote to decertify the union.

The pros and the National Football League Players Association are smacking back, saying the league tried to manipulate players before they took the vote to scrap their union — a potential labor strategy that ultimately could lead to owners losing anti-trust exemptions provided by Congress unless a new Collective Bargaining Agreement is inked between players and management.

NFL owners have threatened to lock out the players if a deal isn't reached by March. Quarterback Charlie Batch, safety Ryan Clark and other players complained to the union and the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that a delegation led by embattled former union president Troy Vincent and former NFL Alumni director George Martin sought to mix mandatory "life skills" teaching with lobbying for the owners.

"Doesn't matter what the meeting was for, players around the league know what this is about," Clark said.

NFL officials, however, say Clark and his union made inaccurate conclusions about the session.

They say that months before the union threatened to decertify, Steelers player development director Ray Jackson set up the Tuesday panel. It was composed of former NFL players Wil Wolford, Emanuel Martin and George Martin to answer financial, off-field conduct and other questions by today's younger pros.

With the Steelers currently in their bye week, coach Mike Tomlin introduced the session, which was monitored by the union's player development manager Leslie Satchell. Vincent, 39, a former All-Pro cornerback who has been accused of conspiring with league brass to scuttle the union while he was at the helm, attended as the NFL's vice president of player development.

That troubled several players because in July Vincent and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell were hit with subpoenas sent by the union. The players have sought information about their relationship before Vincent got hired by the NFL.

Vincent also was mentioned in a lawsuit brought by former union director of human relations Mary Moran, who claims she was fired after it was discovered she secretly gave information to U.S. Department of Labor investigators probing the matter.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said no labor issues were discussed except when standout safety Troy Polamalu asked the panel what it was like going through the two labor strikes in the 1980s.

"It is one thing to disagree about issues," Aiello said. "It's quite another to distort facts in a way that demeans former players and former NFLPA leaders. There is no place for that in these discussions."

Players and union leaders, however, said it's impossible to discuss financial planning without dealing with the obvious fact that athletes could lose paychecks if the owners opt for the lockout.

Batch, a member of the NFLPA executive committee, said the players can't sign a new CBA until the owners disclose their profits.

"They're not willing to do that," he said of owners opening their financial books. "It's still the same thing that I've always talked about as far their position."

MasterOfPuppets
10-08-2010, 03:02 AM
Batch, a member of the NFLPA executive committee, said the players can't sign a new CBA until the owners disclose their profits.

"They're not willing to do that," he said of owners opening their financial books.

the owners are claiming meager profit margins as their basis for their actions. if there's any truth to it , why not open up the books ?

SteelCityMom
10-08-2010, 09:22 AM
Man, this is all ****ed. I hope they work this crap out sometime soon, and I hope it's not too much of a distraction on some of the players during the regular season.

SteelersinCA
10-08-2010, 01:53 PM
I think what it's about is that if the players union would try and sue the owners on anti-trust grounds, it would be like the pot calling the kettle black... if they decertify, it gives the players the ability to sue the owners on their own.

SteelersinCA would probably be able to explain it better... and I could be way off base.

I'm not real sure what decertification would do for the players. I know they are hoping it prevents them from being locked out in the event a new CBA isn't in place, but their recourse for being locked out is to sue individually which would take years. I think we all know this thing won't take years or the NFL is dead. I'm not really sure what they hope to gain. Going through the court system isn't the smartest idea since it's so slow.

Let's just hope they get it worked out. It is NEVER good when you need to talk to a lawyer.

fer522
10-08-2010, 02:52 PM
fire Arians. its his fault too. :rofl: :rofl:

lionslicer
10-08-2010, 03:12 PM
So players want to disband the union so they can sue the NFL if their is a lockout next year? So this is about money? lol

kirklandrules
10-08-2010, 04:26 PM
Hmmm, not sure this is about individual lawsuites filed by the players. The NFL used the argument that the players were unionized to avoid anti-trust laws. If the players are no longer unionized, the NFL can no long claim they are within those anti-trust laws. Now you have the federal gov't pushing the league to measures that demonstrate a level playing field for the players to negotiate with the league. So the league will have to determine which is worse for their business: the gov't or the union. Personally, I'd rather negotiate with the NFLPA than with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank and the Obama administration.

SteelersinCA
10-09-2010, 01:01 PM
Hmmm, not sure this is about individual lawsuites filed by the players. The NFL used the argument that the players were unionized to avoid anti-trust laws. If the players are no longer unionized, the NFL can no long claim they are within those anti-trust laws. Now you have the federal gov't pushing the league to measures that demonstrate a level playing field for the players to negotiate with the league. So the league will have to determine which is worse for their business: the gov't or the union. Personally, I'd rather negotiate with the NFLPA than with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank and the Obama administration.

It's not necessarily about individual lawsuits, they want to decertify thinking that will avoid a lockout. If the owners still lockout, their only recourse is individual lawsuits.