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verks36
10-19-2010, 04:52 AM
Where in the world is DE Ziggy Hood? Pittsburgh's No. 1 pick in the 2009 draft was nowhere to be found Sunday. When starter Brett Keisel went down with an injury, it was Nick Eason who took over, not Hood.

What does this mean for big ol zig?

jpa375
10-19-2010, 05:49 AM
Since he's already 20 games or so into his career as a first round pick, it is well beyond time to label him a bust and cut him. Reminds me alot of that other recent first round bust, Larry Timmons.

Acerinox
10-19-2010, 06:37 AM
Hmm. Say what you like about Timmons, he didn't find himself regularly thrown around like a ragdoll. I have always wondered about Ziggy. He projected as a stud 4-3 End, but with his size and skillset, there must always have been a worry about his ability as 5-technique. I still have that worry.

tony hipchest
10-19-2010, 09:59 AM
i think it means he backs up aaron smith and eason backs up keisel.

steeltheone
10-19-2010, 12:24 PM
It has to be a concern. No stud number one pick should be sitting on the bench in year 2.

lionslicer
10-19-2010, 01:13 PM
He's a better backup than Kirschki lol

I think he's a good player, but he isn't right for the 3-4 zone blitz system. Hopefully he can learn the system and get in the weight room and become as dominate as Smith for the future.

gameface75
10-19-2010, 01:27 PM
Ziggy needs to develop a nasty streak on the field ,be first to the play ,and not just a clean-up guy .Until he gets mean and nasty he will be no more than just a fill in d-lineman.

verks36
10-19-2010, 02:15 PM
Ziggy needs to develop a nasty streak on the field ,be first to the play ,and not just a clean-up guy .Until he gets mean and nasty he will be no more than just a fill in d-lineman.

well you dont draft fill in lineman in the first round.

kirklandrules
10-19-2010, 02:22 PM
well you dont draft fill in lineman in the first round.

You do when you have Smith, Hampton and Keisel as your starters. I've seen him play more this year than last year. Must be great for a team to have a very talented young guy come off the bench to support one of the best defensive linemen in the league (Smith) instead of relying upon that young guy to be "The Man".

And as Tony said, he tends to back up Smith while Eason backs up Keisel.

jjpro11
10-19-2010, 02:28 PM
Since he's already 20 games or so into his career as a first round pick, it is well beyond time to label him a bust and cut him. Reminds me alot of that other recent first round bust, Larry Timmons.

not saying Ziggy will turn out to be a bust or a star.. but Timmons at least showed flashes of stardom numerous times while he was being brought up. his biggest issues were lack of discipline and awareness... his physical abilities were never really a question in Hood's case, he hasn't showed much of anything from his limited playing time.

OX1947
10-19-2010, 02:56 PM
The job of a defensive lineman in the Steelers 3-4 is to open lanes for linebackers. You dont hear aaron smith's name or Big Snack's name too much during a course of a game because they do their jobs to help guys like timmons and farrior get tackles. Also, when you have smith, snack and keisel as starters, kinda hard to make your mark when you sub for 10-12 plays thorughout the game....

zulater
10-19-2010, 03:34 PM
The job of a defensive lineman in the Steelers 3-4 is to open lanes for linebackers. You dont hear aaron smith's name or Big Snack's name too much during a course of a game because they do their jobs to help guys like timmons and farrior get tackles. Also, when you have smith, snack and keisel as starters, kinda hard to make your mark when you sub for 10-12 players thorughout the game....



Yep, that's what it comes down to, if the LB's are making plays you can be pretty damn sure the DL is doing their job up front. The Steelers dominate the LOS as evidenced by the fact we're the hardest defense in the league to run against. Ziggy is being rotated in and probably playing close to 40% of the defensive snaps, if he wasn't pulling his weight the defense couldn't be where it is today.

Don't get me wrong i think Ziggy is only scratching the surface of his full potential, give him another year and I think it will be readily evident to all that he's a player. But for now he's just an anonymous grunt tying up blocks to free up the linebackers, and I'll bet LeBeau is pleased as punch as to where he's at now.

BengalDestroyer
10-19-2010, 08:00 PM
I disagree with all of those who think he's a bust. Way too soon to determine... As mentioned already, kind of hard to stand out in a defense with pro bowl DLs and a defense whose LBs are the (pro bowl) stars. Next year will be his year, watch.

Also Pittsburgh handles young players well, they seem to know exactly when they're ready. Examples - Wallace, Redman, Mendy, Pouncy....some players develop faster, some are disciplined in the process for mistakes the coaches know they shouldn't make, and all are given shots to prove themselves. When they're truly ready (rookie year, or third year, etc.), and the coaches know best, is when they shine, Ziggy will get there.

Another good point I read is that Ziggy backs Smith, and Eason backs Keisel. (I too have noticed that)

Slanted August
10-19-2010, 08:41 PM
The job of a defensive lineman in the Steelers 3-4 is to open lanes for linebackers. You dont hear aaron smith's name or Big Snack's name too much during a course of a game because they do their jobs to help guys like timmons and farrior get tackles. Also, when you have smith, snack and keisel as starters, kinda hard to make your mark when you sub for 10-12 plays thorughout the game....

Excellent Post....Amen

JEFF4i
10-19-2010, 09:23 PM
I'd like to see him more, however...

If someone truly thinks Timmons is a bust, they need to quit football watching, being a fan, and go crochet.

sharkweek
10-20-2010, 12:38 AM
the armchair idiocy is strong in this thread

Acerinox
10-20-2010, 02:44 AM
I think it is indicative that Ziggy's advocates are saying things like:
"You can't see what D-Linemen do"
"If the defense is succeeding, then he must be doing his job"
"He doesn't have enough snaps to shine"
and so forth. These are self-fulfilling arguments and you could say them about anyone, no matter how they performed!

Let me spell out my main concerns about Ziggy.
- There's no doubt he's a ball player. We've seen he's a ball-hawk, of sorts, and has the capacity to really wreck a passing down and do some damage if he penetrates to the second level.
- But outside of some impressive pre-season work, where he always seems to be on the verge of a breakout, he doesn't appear to have the anchor to hold his own on the line. It's too late in his development for him to be rocked off the ball so often, and like I say, I see him thrown around a bit too. Don't you?
- Where is this guy's run defense? You say you don't hear Hampton or Smith's name much, but if you watch the line you sure see them. They plug the gaps like monsters among children. Those downhill runs I hate so much when the opposition RB doesn't even break his stride going through the line? Those are Ziggy's gaps.

I think we all understand that it's hard to shine when studs like Smith and Keisel are ahead of you. You still need to get it done when you see the field. And don't give me this stuff about Ziggy being Aaron's backup. If he's such a natural left end, where were his props last season?

pete74
10-20-2010, 07:51 PM
I think it is indicative that Ziggy's advocates are saying things like:
"You can't see what D-Linemen do"
"If the defense is succeeding, then he must be doing his job"
"He doesn't have enough snaps to shine"
and so forth. These are self-fulfilling arguments and you could say them about anyone, no matter how they performed!

Let me spell out my main concerns about Ziggy.
- There's no doubt he's a ball player. We've seen he's a ball-hawk, of sorts, and has the capacity to really wreck a passing down and do some damage if he penetrates to the second level.
- But outside of some impressive pre-season work, where he always seems to be on the verge of a breakout, he doesn't appear to have the anchor to hold his own on the line. It's too late in his development for him to be rocked off the ball so often, and like I say, I see him thrown around a bit too. Don't you?
- Where is this guy's run defense? You say you don't hear Hampton or Smith's name much, but if you watch the line you sure see them. They plug the gaps like monsters among children. Those downhill runs I hate so much when the opposition RB doesn't even break his stride going through the line? Those are Ziggy's gaps.

I think we all understand that it's hard to shine when studs like Smith and Keisel are ahead of you. You still need to get it done when you see the field. And don't give me this stuff about Ziggy being Aaron's backup. If he's such a natural left end, where were his props last season?

i have to agree with you here. im really shocked that Eason may get the start over Ziggy. he obviously hasnt developed the way the steelers have hoped he would when they drafted him in the 1st round. hopefully he picks it up

Merchant
10-20-2010, 10:50 PM
wasn't he a D-Tackle in college? that could be another reason why it's taking long to develop since he needs to adjust to being a 3-4 end

PhantomJB93
10-20-2010, 11:09 PM
It's weird how all we heard out of camp was what an unstoppable beast he was amd how he was primed for a breakout year, and as soon as the reg season started news around him got so quiet and Nick Eason is above him on the depth chart...

MasterOfPuppets
10-20-2010, 11:15 PM
he's a bust !!!

http://www.themailboxmoneyblog.com/dev/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/oh_no.jpg

Riddle_Of_Steel
10-21-2010, 06:03 PM
I think it is indicative that Ziggy's advocates are saying things like:
"You can't see what D-Linemen do"
"If the defense is succeeding, then he must be doing his job"
"He doesn't have enough snaps to shine"
and so forth. These are self-fulfilling arguments and you could say them about anyone, no matter how they performed!

Let me spell out my main concerns about Ziggy.
- There's no doubt he's a ball player. We've seen he's a ball-hawk, of sorts, and has the capacity to really wreck a passing down and do some damage if he penetrates to the second level.
- But outside of some impressive pre-season work, where he always seems to be on the verge of a breakout, he doesn't appear to have the anchor to hold his own on the line. It's too late in his development for him to be rocked off the ball so often, and like I say, I see him thrown around a bit too. Don't you?
- Where is this guy's run defense? You say you don't hear Hampton or Smith's name much, but if you watch the line you sure see them. They plug the gaps like monsters among children. Those downhill runs I hate so much when the opposition RB doesn't even break his stride going through the line? Those are Ziggy's gaps.

I think we all understand that it's hard to shine when studs like Smith and Keisel are ahead of you. You still need to get it done when you see the field. And don't give me this stuff about Ziggy being Aaron's backup. If he's such a natural left end, where were his props last season?

EXACTY.

It isn't that he is having trouble getting noticed, or earning any reputation-- I notice as soon as he is in the game, because the other team starts running the ball at the left side, and with success.

Granted, a 3-4 DE is not supposed to make the highlight reel that often, but we heard all offseason (even from the other Dlinemen) that he was going to be this beast this season, and so far, all we have gotten out of him is a couple of QB hurries and very, very soft run support. As soon as he goes in the game, we get gashed in the running game....not good.

pete74
10-21-2010, 06:05 PM
It's weird how all we heard out of camp was what an unstoppable beast he was amd how he was primed for a breakout year, and as soon as the reg season started news around him got so quiet and Nick Eason is above him on the depth chart...

agreed. i thought he would be starting by midseason because of an injury to one of the other ends. im really hoping he shows a flash so we know he can take over and keep our line just as strong some day. if he isnt the future then we need to draft an end in the 1st or 2nd next season but im holding out hope that he will soon be a monster and hold that line down

MongoSteeler
10-21-2010, 11:45 PM
I read an article today that said Ziggy has been playing on a bad ankle since the first game of the season.

ricardisimo
10-22-2010, 02:17 AM
That's what happened to Timmons last year (two bad ankles, I believe) and this year he's doing a little bit better.

DanRooney
10-22-2010, 04:49 AM
I disagree with all of those who think he's a bust. Way too soon to determine... As mentioned already, kind of hard to stand out in a defense with pro bowl DLs and a defense whose LBs are the (pro bowl) stars. Next year will be his year, watch.

Also Pittsburgh handles young players well, they seem to know exactly when they're ready. Examples - Wallace, Redman, Mendy, Pouncy....some players develop faster, some are disciplined in the process for mistakes the coaches know they shouldn't make, and all are given shots to prove themselves. When they're truly ready (rookie year, or third year, etc.), and the coaches know best, is when they shine, Ziggy will get there.

Another good point I read is that Ziggy backs Smith, and Eason backs Keisel. (I too have noticed that)

Absolute bullshit.

All of them - Mendenhall, Pouncey, and Wallace - got their opportunities because of injured players ahead of them - Glass Willie Parker, Hartpig, Limas Peed.

Ziggy has been on his ass numerous times when called upon. It looks like he's still confused out there. Very disappointing so far.

zulater
10-22-2010, 07:40 AM
Absolute bullshit.

All of them - Mendenhall, Pouncey, and Wallace - got their opportunities because of injured players ahead of them - Glass Willie Parker, Hartpig, Limas Peed.

Ziggy has been on his ass numerous times when called upon. It looks like he's still confused out there. Very disappointing so far.

There's an old saying that I'm just making up now,:wink02:, the most dangerous man in an argument is the one that doesn't know, what he doesn't know. :chuckle:

zulater
10-22-2010, 07:44 AM
EXACTY.

It isn't that he is having trouble getting noticed, or earning any reputation-- I notice as soon as he is in the game, because the other team starts running the ball at the left side, and with success.

Granted, a 3-4 DE is not supposed to make the highlight reel that often, but we heard all offseason (even from the other Dlinemen) that he was going to be this beast this season, and so far, all we have gotten out of him is a couple of QB hurries and very, very soft run support. As soon as he goes in the game, we get gashed in the running game....not good.

Really? You do realize the league is averaging 2.7 yards per attempt against the Steelers so far this year? I must have missed all hese plays where ziggy is being exploited. :noidea: