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tony hipchest
10-22-2010, 01:48 AM
normally i would place james harrison stories in one of the many other "harrison fined" threads but these will be posted in their own thread anyways, and i feel they are more pertinent than the average joe, average football player, or average analyst's
opinion.

the steelers were lockstep with the commish in the penalty levied on ben. not the case with the fine on harrison. art rooney II better watch out or the commishego might think he is taaking on his magnificance head-on-

Rooney backs linebacker



Not only does Steelers president Art Rooney disagree with the NFL's ruling on James Harrison's hit, but he also signaled a cautionary warning to the league that continuing to be so heavy-handed could have consequences.

Mr. Rooney, in an interview with the Post-Gazette Thursday, said the team would back Mr. Harrison in his appeal of a $75,000 fine the league issued to him Tuesday for what it claimed was an illegal high hit on Cleveland wide receiver Mohamed Massaquoi.

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While not saying the word, it was obvious Mr. Rooney believed that the NFL overreacted to at least two of those plays. He says the only one that should have drawn such a fine was Mr. Meriweather's helmet-to-helmet hit on Baltimore tight end Todd Heap.

"If you look at the plays last weekend, there was only one play ... that was flagrant; and yet when the fine comes out, our guy gets the biggest fine.

"My concern going forward is how is this discipline going to be handled, and are they going to try to draw a distinction as far as suspensions between something that is flagrant and something that's just a fine. I hope that is the direction we're going in, but I don't know."

Mr. Rooney said he was speaking out of concern for the sport and not merely because one of his players was fined.

"Look, we have to be concerned with player safety. I'm in agreement, I think we're all in agreement that the helmet-to-helmet hits are something we have to find ways to take out of the game as much as we can. The other side of it is, it's still football, and guys are out there trying to make tackles. There's going to be helmet-to-helmet contact on occasion.

"I don't think that you can say every time there's one of those hits and a guy gets knocked out that a guy should be suspended for it. I just don't think we can be that black and white."


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10295/1097163-455.stm?cmpid=steelers.xml#ixzz13A4Sd17r

long article... see link.

while some offensive players are taking the offensive players side, hines ward definitely wont be acting like that pu$$ tom brady-

Cook: 'That's football' says Steelers' Ward

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10295/1097187-66.stm?cmpid=steelers.xml


Ward said a lot of the violent hits on pass plays across the middle could be eliminated if receivers played smarter. Harrison was able to deliver his blow to Massaquoi because the receiver came into his zone.

"You can't just run through zone coverage," Ward said. "If you run by one guy and then another guy, you have to know there's still going to be a third guy there waiting for you.

"That's why you always see me sitting down [stopping] when I see zone coverage. You're not supposed to run through zone coverage. You're supposed to find the opening and sit down."

Ward said quarterbacks -- especially young quarterbacks -- also need to have more regard for their receivers' safety. Browns rookie Colt McCoy filled in for injured veterans Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace against the Steelers and made his NFL debut.

"It's funny, I was talking to Massaquoi about quarterbacks pregame," Ward said. "I told him it's rough playing with three different quarterbacks. It's especially tough playing with a rookie. If he considers you his go-to guy, he's going to watch you run your route the whole way. That's what happened on that play when [Massaquoi] was hit. [McCoy] followed him with his eyes the whole way. James saw that and knew that pass was coming."



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10295/1097187-66.stm?cmpid=steelers.xml#ixzz13A5RnlLa

Wallace108
10-22-2010, 02:03 AM
Ward said a lot of the violent hits on pass plays across the middle could be eliminated if receivers played smarter. Harrison was able to deliver his blow to Massaquoi because the receiver came into his zone.

"You can't just run through zone coverage," Ward said. "If you run by one guy and then another guy, you have to know there's still going to be a third guy there waiting for you.

"That's why you always see me sitting down [stopping] when I see zone coverage. You're not supposed to run through zone coverage. You're supposed to find the opening and sit down."

Steve Young made this same point the other day about inexperienced receivers running through zone coverage. He also blamed inexperienced QBs for throwing where they shouldn't, and said you can't regulate bad quarterback play. But of course he isn't as smart as Goodell. :noidea:

DanRooney
10-22-2010, 05:02 AM
That speaks volumes that an owner would speak up against the commissioner. Now, before you guys go on and say "well of course, he's the Steelers owner," remember, the Rooney's and Goodell are close and more often than not, they agree with one another. Roethlisberger's suspension is an example. I bet Goodell is regretting his power thirst.

Steel_Bus_24
10-22-2010, 06:41 AM
Hopefully our guys takes this whole moronic episode and use it as fuel

Atlanta Dan
10-22-2010, 08:03 AM
Game on

Goodell thinks he is the league - perhaps a line finally has been crossed with regard to the arrogance of th league office

Props to AJR II for going public

floodcitygirl
10-22-2010, 12:14 PM
Now this was what I was waiting to hear! You know it has to speak volumes across the league when the Rooneys come out with this kind of statement. Hopefully it will cause a review of the play in question and a look at overturning the fine. Thanks for posting this, Tony.

truesteelerfan
10-22-2010, 12:47 PM
Game on

Goodell thinks he is the league - perhaps a line finally has been crossed with regard to the arrogance of th league office

Props to AJR II for going public

Perfectly said. Goodell needs to realize he is just one in a long line of commish in the history of the league...he needs to focus less on making money (there's already pleanty being made) and hope he isn't the one remembered for ruining football as the true american pastime.

MikeHaullace
10-22-2010, 12:48 PM
Visual Evidence that James Harrison's hit on Mohamed Massaquoi was legal and the NFL should repeal the fine which was levied and return his *hard-earned* $75,000. (http://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/dus2m/visual_evidence_that_james_harrisons_hit_on/)

Curtain_of_Steel
10-22-2010, 02:24 PM
Rooney to be suspended next

lionslicer
10-22-2010, 02:34 PM
Steve Young made this same point the other day about inexperienced receivers running through zone coverage. He also blamed inexperienced QBs for throwing where they shouldn't, and said you can't regulate bad quarterback play. But of course he isn't as smart as Goodell. :noidea:

Who's smarter than Goodell? I heard he wants to change his name to Godell.

Deserei90
10-22-2010, 02:38 PM
Rooney to be suspended nextHe better not be that stupid!!!
Mr. Rooney is entitled to his own opinion and a very good one at that.

Lady Steel
10-22-2010, 03:50 PM
Finally, the Rooneys have spoken. I think Silverback will win his appeal, not because of Art Rooney's statement, but because his hit was legal.

wootawnee
10-22-2010, 07:32 PM
Steve Young made this same point the other day about inexperienced receivers running through zone coverage. He also blamed inexperienced QBs for throwing where they shouldn't, and said you can't regulate bad quarterback play. But of course he isn't as smart as Goodell. :noidea:

Steve Young is a Goodell cronie.....He stands on the side of Goodell on every issue.....That guy is definately not for the players........He is a company guy....Not a Union guy........

Riddle_Of_Steel
10-22-2010, 11:21 PM
while some offensive players are taking the offensive players side, hines ward definitely wont be acting like that pu$$ tom brady-



The scariest part? Tom Brady actualy stuck up for Harrison.....

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2010/10/20/brady-to-james-harrison-please-retire/

He joked at first that he would be happy if James Harrison retired-- that a lot of QBs would be. But went on to say that the league needs to cut defensive players some slack and that everybody who puts on the uniform knows that getting hurt is A PART OF THE GAME.

You know Goodell is sissifying the sport when one of the biggest sissy's calls him on it...

tony hipchest
10-23-2010, 01:54 AM
Finally, the Rooneys have spoken. I think Silverback will win his appeal, not because of Art Rooney's statement, but because his hit was legal.unfortunately i dont think thats enough. the league lifting harissons fine is tantamount to goodell admitting he is wrong and that will NEVER happen.

they have chosen to make an example of him. he is the poster child of their new agenda. the cat is out of the bag and there is no turning back now.

nevertheless, this is a really cool story-

Steelers James Harrison Appealing the Fine

http://www.craigwolfley.com/blog/2010/10/steelers-james-harrison-appealing-the-fine-

Today on "In The Lockerroom with Tunch and Wolf" we had as one of our guests Steelers President Art Rooney II. Art has come out in support of James Harrison and his appeal to rescind the $75,000 fine. As these things often do, it conjured up a memory of Tunch and my playing days back in the 80's when things got outt'a hand with the Houston Oilers and led to a brawl in the Astrodome and fines of which Tunch and I got whacked for two infractions, fighting and "Entering the fighting area." (It's a chicken and egg thing. Which comes first, fighting or entering?).

Let me preface this by saying Tunch and I were no strangers to a little blood-letting in a game with a division rival at this point in our careers. And I'm not saying that I've not participated (I'll speak for myself here, don't wanna snitch on my bud) in a little extra-curricular activities so i'm not belly-aching over a few injustices here and there. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. But the cheap shots were so out there, and the officials were doing zippo to curtail the action, that innocent people were getting mulched. It's one thing when you are actively engaged in the give and take, another when the collateral damage starts to boil over catching up guys that had nothing to do with the initial mayhem.

So back in 1987 we were in Houston and Jerry Glanville was the Oilers head coach who, despite a small stature, talked a tough game. He emphasized and celebrated a real rough style of play encouraging the cheap shots. After we lost in a bitterly fought game at the Astrodome 24-16, Chuck Noll caught up with Glanville on the field after the game and grabbed Glanville's hand with his right hand and poked Glanville in the chest with his left hand. Chuck was furious and let Jerry know what he thought of Glanville's coaching. All the while Glanville was trying to get away from Chuck.

Tunch and I had known it was coming, as Chuck had already let Oilers CB Steve Brown know he was coming after Jerry after the final gun during a timeout on the field. So as soon as the game ended we fell into step right behind Chuck as he made a beeline straight to Glanville. Coach Noll was a tough guy and when the head man is going to set somebody straight, somebody's gott'a have his back. There were a number of players on both sides doing the same thing. We had a perfect vantage point to watch the squirming Glanville try to extricate himself from Chuck's grip. It was a very tense moment and things easily could have gotten out of hand. Think of it, both teams swirling about after a super-heated game in the middle of a liquored-up dome of beer drinking billy-bobs screaming "WE LUV YA BLUE!" It would have been the mother-of-all melees.

Tunch Ilkin, Frank Pollard and myself were all fined for the fracas that ensued during the game. So we appealed the fine ($1,500-hey, that was a big number back in the day).

The next season 1988, we were in New York for a pre-season game. So we met with Joe Brown, the NFL guy and we had Frank, Tunch, myself, Chuck Noll, and Joe Gordon (Steelers, toughest front office guy i've ever met) sitting in this big fancy-shmanz meeting room in this New York hotel. We came armed with video detailing the vicious cheap shots from the game (Walt Abercrombie got knocked out cold) and an impassioned summary from Chuck Noll emphasizing that if the ref's didn't do their jobs, the players had no choice but to take matters into their own hands.

The meeting probably took less than forty-five minutes. Video clip after video clip, Coach Noll speaking, citing the injustice of the entire game and the fines. Joe Brown cleared his throat and then simply said "No."

That's it. About three seconds and he denied the appeal. No if's, and's or but's. He didn't even pretend to contemplate the overwhelming evidence.

Do I think James Harrison has a chance with his appeal?

(Pause for three seconds...)

No.

Wallace108
10-23-2010, 01:54 AM
Steve Young is a Goodell cronie.....He stands on the side of Goodell on every issue.

He isn't standing with Goodell on THIS issue. :noidea:

Lady Steel
10-24-2010, 04:11 PM
unfortunately i dont think thats enough. the league lifting harissons fine is tantamount to goodell admitting he is wrong and that will NEVER happen.

Ah crap, but very good point. Thank you for the accompanying story.

Kanata-Steeler
10-24-2010, 05:32 PM
Rooney is RIGHT, in backing Harrison.
Thats what big "tight-ends" are for (aka Heath Miller, Heep, .....), you send THEM to the zone, not some 140lb gazelle ?!! of course if you do that, it will always end up Godzilla versus Bambi.
:)

For gawd sakes, they should haved "FINED" the Offensive decision-makers and NOT Harrison for that unfortunate incident !

sooooo. basically if Rooney down-deep knows it too, then that is good enough 'fer me.

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