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zulater
10-26-2010, 10:15 AM
http://undhimmi.com/2010/10/26/disobedient-saudi-woman-freed-after-six-months/

Please feel free to post any abuses done in the name of God on this thread regardless of religion of orgin. This thread isn't meant to single out any particuliar religion, but it just so happens this news item caught my attention this morning and got under my skin. :mad:

steelax04
10-26-2010, 01:18 PM
Just getting this out of the way so the thread can proceed... :shout: PANIC!

Continue as you were.

zulater
10-26-2010, 01:54 PM
Just getting this out of the way so the thread can proceed... :shout: PANIC!

Continue as you were.

You feel no sense of outrage that woman can be treated like that in the so called civilized world? :doh:

MasterOfPuppets
10-26-2010, 02:25 PM
You feel no sense of outrage that woman can be treated like that in the so called civilized world? :doh:
what are you talking about ? there are no human rights violations in saudi .... otherwise we "the champions" of human rights , wouldn't be supporters and allies of them.
bush doesn't make out with human right violators...:noidea:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQM1PFCqSwsnKm9AaWuLVfJdjo1WOhUD 7GOb7o_JhO82LHHBJg&t=1&usg=__gm8PP0h0Ly3FwMlGY2tlP0m7lQ0=

zulater
10-26-2010, 02:37 PM
what are you talking about ? there are no human rights violations in saudi .... otherwise we "the champions" of human rights , wouldn't be supporters and allies of them.
bush doesn't make out with human right violators...:noidea:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQM1PFCqSwsnKm9AaWuLVfJdjo1WOhUD 7GOb7o_JhO82LHHBJg&t=1&usg=__gm8PP0h0Ly3FwMlGY2tlP0m7lQ0=

Just because we buy their oil doesn't mean we have to buy their policies towards woman. Or we shouldn't anyway. To me countries that don't afford all their citizens something resembling equal rights shouldn't be allowed to be voting members of the U.N. I understand we can't impose our laws and sensibilities on all nations, but nations unwilling to abide by certain standards have no right to vote for issues concerning the nations that do.

MasterOfPuppets
10-26-2010, 03:28 PM
Just because we buy their oil doesn't mean we have to buy their policies towards woman. Or we shouldn't anyway. To me countries that don't afford all their citizens something resembling equal rights shouldn't be allowed to be voting members of the U.N. I understand we can't impose our laws and sensibilities on all nations, but nations unwilling to abide by certain standards have no right to vote for issues concerning the nations that do.
ok...but how often do we here the government spouting off about chinese human rights violations, compared to saudi's ?

zulater
10-26-2010, 04:24 PM
ok...but how often do we here the government spouting off about chinese human rights violations, compared to saudi's ?

China doesn't discriminate against woman anyway. :noidea:

MasterOfPuppets
10-26-2010, 04:43 PM
http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/9/3/6/religion-is-like-a-keep-it-inside-11297-1283509798-5.jpg

MasterOfPuppets
10-26-2010, 04:59 PM
China doesn't discriminate against woman anyway. :noidea:
and thats my point. why does our government constantly bring up china and north korea when speaking of human rights , but yet they keep saudi atrocities to a whisper ? the saudi brand of muslims (Hanabillahs) is probably the worst of them all , as far as extremist , fanatics go..

MasterOfPuppets
10-26-2010, 05:09 PM
Got Oppression? Saudi Kingdom Keeps Women in the Stone Age



Dear Saudi Arabia: Has anyone told you it’s the year 2010 and you can stop with the ludicrous rulings scaling back women’s rights and, specifically, their mobility? Last week, a court in Saudi Arabia sentenced four women and 11 men between the ages of 30-40 years to flogging and prison for “mingling at a party.” (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/22/saudi-arabia-convicts-15_n_621259.html)
While this is absurd, to say the least, it becomes downright hypocritical paired with another news item out of Saudi Arabia earlier this month, when Muslim scholars came up with a hare-brained plan for women to start breastfeeding their male drivers.
It all started when Sheikh Abdul Mohsin al-Abaican, a consultant at the Saudi Royal Court, issued a fatwa (what else?) stipulating that there should be a symbolic bond between unrelated men and women who regularly come into contact with each other.
Since Saudi women are not allowed to drive, one group of men they regularly come into contact with are their male drivers. So another Saudi scholar followed with the brilliant recommendation that women “donate their breast milk to men.” After all, in Islam, breast milk kinship is considered to be as good as a blood, explains the Gulf News (http://business.maktoob.com/20090000482126/Saudi_women_threaten_to_breastfeed_drivers/Article.htm). This way the drivers can become the women’s sons, to save women from the sin of going around with men who were not related to them! Yay! Mission accomplished, morality saved!
Before you jump off a bridge over the insanity of this, take a moment to applaud Saudi women, who instead of giving up all hope in this culture of anything-absurd-towards-women-goes, took this opportunity to intensify their campaign to gain the right to drive. Journalist Amal Zahid said that the slogan of the campaign will be: “We either be allowed to drive or breastfeed foreigners!”
While the Saudi authorities continue to pretend they hold the moral high ground, going out of their way to keep the sexes segregated and prevent women from driving, fatwas such as this just go to show who the real perverts are: Saudi men. Saudi men, and “scholars” who would preserve women’s “purity” by not allowing them to mix with men, but telling them it is OK to have strangers suckle on your breast so they become related to you?!
The truth of the matter is, Saudi authorities want to keep denying women the right to drive as part of their larger efforts to curb the mobility of women and in effect, their rights. The less you are able to get around the less you are able to do. It’s the way they hide behind the supposedly religious justification that is the most disgusting part.
Kudos to the women of Saudi Arabia for taking this as an opportunity to expose to the world and keep reminding us of the culture of absurdity they are forced to live in. These women should be congratulated for using the issuing of yet another insane fatwa and flipping it into an opportunity to maybe, one day, winning theirright to drive.

http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2010/07/01/got-oppression-saudi-kingdom-keeps-women-in-the-stone-age/

zulater
10-26-2010, 05:35 PM
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Chinese-Dissident-Liu-Wins-Nobel-Peace-Prize-104557274.html

Well China aint all that great either MOP

SteelCityMom
10-26-2010, 05:43 PM
China doesn't discriminate against woman anyway. :noidea:

You're kidding right?

I know these aren't in the name of God...they're in the name of Communism. But that shit has always pissed me off. Besides, religion, when it is in control of a nation, isn't in the name of any god or greater good. It is just another tool to control the people.

Eight months pregnant Chinese woman forced to have an abortion for breaking one child per family law
October 21, 2010 07:58 PM EDT

Xiao Aiying, an eight months pregnant woman from China, was dragged from her home on October 10 and forced to have an abortion for breaking the one child per family law.

Twelve government officials kicked down the door to Aiying's house and repeatedly kicked her in the stomach and punched her before dragging her out kicking and screaming. She was taken to a hospital where she was given a lethal injection that killed her unborn baby.

Aiying's husband, Luo Yanquan, expressed how he felt when the government broke down their door. "They held her hands behind her back and pushed her head against the wall and kicked her in the stomach,"he said. "I don’t know if they were trying to give her a miscarriage. Our ten-year-old daughter has been excited about having a little brother or sister but I don’t know how I can explain to her what has happened."

Aiying, who was filmed in the hospital with very large, dark bruises on her arms and her dead baby still inside her, said: "I have had this baby, feeling it moving around and around my belly. Can you imagine how I feel now?"

Most Chinese families are allowed only one child in an attempt to reduce the 1.3 billion-plus population that is pulling on unsustainable resources.

The one child per family policy leads to an estimated 13 million abortions every year. Many of the abortions are ordered by local authorities who go in and take the women to the hospital forcefully. Infanticide is also widespread in many rural areas.

This is a horrible story. China's attempt to control their population is understandable, however, killing innocent children is not at all humane. Having an abortion at such a late stage in the pregnancy is traumatizing for the mother and the rest of her family. How does China expect these women to go on with their lives when they have been so tragically abused by the system? Something needs to be done before the Chinese governmet starts killing adults to curb the population as well.

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978622685

However, when women's rights or interests conflict with Party or government policy, the latter takes precedence. This means, for example, that abuses related to the family planning policy are not reported in the media or discussed publicly. Information about other issues, such as the extent of domestic violence, trafficking in women or abuses directed at lesbians, is effectively prevented by the CCP's injunction that most news should be positive. Thus, the controls on freedom of expression and association, which so affect democracy and human rights activists, have a strong impact on women's human rights as well.

Violence Against Women: According to some researchers, spousal abuse is far too common and, in many parts of the country, still socially acceptable. However, comprehensive statistics about the extent of domestic violence are not available or have not been made public. The official All-China Women's Federation (ACWF) has been studying this problem and seeking solutions.

Few battered women have the opportunity to escape abuse, because shelters and other resources are not available. Women are under considerable social pressure to keep families together regardless of the circumstances. Legal action is not taken against batterers unless the victim initiates it, and if she withdraws her testimony, the proceedings are ended.

more here...http://www.christusrex.org/www1/sdc/hr_facts.html#Woman

notably the two most populous countries on earth, China and India. In all cases, specifically female infanticide reflects the low status accorded to women in most parts of the world; it is arguably the most brutal and destructive manifestation of the anti-female bias that pervades "patriarchal" societies. It is closely linked to the phenomena of sex-selective abortion, which targets female fetuses almost exclusively, and neglect of girl children.

http://www.gendercide.org/case_infanticide.html

With the availability of ultrasound and enforcement of the one child policy, China has an unnatural ratio of about 118 males to 100 females due to a half a million sex-specific abortions every year. The reasoning follows since males still have the greatest earning power in the workforce. With these earnings, and a decrease in available females, the abduction and sale of teenage girls is on the rise. Human Rights groups estimate hundreds of thousands of girls have been sold into prostitution and $500 mail-order brides since the economic boom of the late 1980s.

http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/essays/cot/t3w24womenchinap2kk.htm

TOOLofSTEEL
10-26-2010, 07:19 PM
http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/9/3/6/religion-is-like-a-keep-it-inside-11297-1283509798-5.jpg

As a godless heathen who grew up in the South. I support this message.

I'm still a little butthurt someone stole half of my pecker though... I might have wanted that! :deadhorse: :chuckle:

MasterOfPuppets
10-26-2010, 07:41 PM
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MasterOfPuppets
10-26-2010, 07:51 PM
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zulater
10-26-2010, 07:55 PM
You're kidding right?

I know these aren't in the name of God...they're in the name of Communism. But that shit has always pissed me off. Besides, religion, when it is in control of a nation, isn't in the name of any god or greater good. It is just another tool to control the people.



http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978622685



more here...http://www.christusrex.org/www1/sdc/hr_facts.html#Woman



http://www.gendercide.org/case_infanticide.html



http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/essays/cot/t3w24womenchinap2kk.htm

Thanks for the input. We can make this just a human rights abuse thread, I'm ok with that.

This world can be such a f'd up place.

MasterOfPuppets
10-26-2010, 08:00 PM
wow ...cutting peoples heads off in saudi, is considered a profession ....:pde:

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TOOLofSTEEL
10-26-2010, 10:39 PM
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Only posting it, because I feel the debate is relevant to the topic. Curious to see what you guys think of it.

tony hipchest
10-26-2010, 11:50 PM
China doesn't discriminate against woman anyway. :noidea:dont they kill off female fetuses in population control efforts?

EDIT- oops... SCM already covered this one.

and its just not in china. i believe infanticide is popular in india as well (considering the drowrys that are betrothed upon marriage).

SteelCityMom
10-27-2010, 12:10 AM
dont they kill off female fetuses in population control efforts?

EDIT- oops... SCM already covered this one.

and its just not in china. i believe infanticide is popular in india as well (considering the drowrys that are betrothed upon marriage).

Yes, it's very popular in India as well...it's just they at least have a law against it (albeit a law that is rarely enforced).

China encourages this shit, and sends its own personnel out to bring these women in to have forced abortions.

I couldn't believe that first story when I read it though. I know that Saudi, Iraq, Iran etc. treat women like shit (and I'm in no way condoning it)...but busting into an 8 month pregnant womans house, slamming her up against a wall, kicking her in the stomach and then taking her to the hospital to give the baby a lethal injection 'just to be sure' makes my stomach turn. I really feel for the women in many parts of the world, but that just hit me exceptionally hard.

tony hipchest
10-27-2010, 12:12 AM
this thread is still in the amateur phase until femal circumsizion in africa is mentioned-

http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm

Female Genital Mutilation (FGM)
Debates about FGM in Africa,
the Middle East & Far East


Debate Among Muslims:
FGM is a social custom, not a religious practice. However, in those Muslim countries where it is practice, FGM is often justified by a controversial saying attributed to the Prophet Mohammed that seem to favor sunna circumcision involving minor cutting of the clitoris. The authenticity of these sayings are unconfirmed, and some scholars have refuted them. Even if true, they only permit the practice; they do not mandate it.

FGM has probably been performed for at least 1,400 years (some references estimate 2,000 years), and started during what Muslims call "al-gahiliyyah" (the era of ignorance). The Qu'r'an, Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) and Christian Scriptures (New Testament) is silent on the subject. The Sunnah (the words and actions of the Prophet Mohammed) contains a reference to female circumcision.

According to the Muslim Women's League:



anyways, joan d'arc

steelax04
10-27-2010, 08:23 AM
You feel no sense of outrage that woman can be treated like that in the so called civilized world? :doh:

I was just getting the standard response out of the way so everyone could discuss the topic at hand. You know how these types of threads are usually met with smilies and photoshops...

And they way they treat their women, I wouldn't call them 'civilized'

zulater
10-27-2010, 09:38 AM
Couple elopes, villagers vow to blind them (http://ibnlive.in.com/news/couple-elopes-villagers-vow-to-blind-them/111730-3.html)

In a Taliban-like judgement a village panchayat in Greater Noida has ordered a couple's eyes to be gouged out as a punishment for eloping.

The bridegroom, Javed, is the nephew of a Bahujan Samaj Party leader and he has fled from the village along with his new bride Sashista.

The couple has been hiding fearing for their lives after the caste panchayat of Ghodi Bhakeda village on Thursday ordered that their eyes be gouged out.

Javed and Sashista had eloped and married going against the wishes of their parents.


"It is a legal marriage. A notice has been issued by the village panchayat to locate us and gouge out our eyes," says Javed.


"It's no crime to get married. We have committed no crime. We want to live with each other," says Sahistha, who is a divorcee.


The panchayat also ordered community members to kill Javed's uncle and BSP leader Mehendi Hasan when he entered the village.


When Hasan returned with the police, the villagers pelted stones at them."Javed married a divorcee so the panchayat punished them to set a precedent and deter other couples," says Mehendi Hasan.


An FIR has been filed against 17 people. Investigations are on and the police is offering protection to the couple

zulater
10-27-2010, 09:50 AM
http://idsn.org/fileadmin/user_folder/pdf/New_files/Key_Issues/Dalit_Women/Forced_prostitution_in_the_name_of_God.pdf

Might as well bring the Hindu's to the party.

ricardisimo
10-27-2010, 01:42 PM
I'm doing some research now to see if I can bring down the Jains and the Baha'i. I know they're up to something, playing all peaceful and shit. Could someone take a look at the Catholics meanwhile? I think if you dig deeply enough you might find something.

Dude, their logo is a comic book explosion/punch symbol. WTF? Someone has to check these supervillains before they make their move.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Bahai_star.svg/400px-Bahai_star.svg.png

MasterOfPuppets
10-27-2010, 01:59 PM
this thread is still in the amateur phase until femal circumsizion in africa is mentioned-

http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm

Female Genital Mutilation (FGM)
Debates about FGM in Africa,
the Middle East & Far East




anyways, joan d'arc
what kinda sick bastards would wanna behead the little man in the boat ...:doh:

SteelCityMom
10-27-2010, 02:55 PM
Could someone take a look at the Catholics meanwhile? I think if you dig deeply enough you might find something.

I searched long and hard all day...this is all I could come up with. :chuckle:

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=58676

ricardisimo
10-27-2010, 03:24 PM
So I admit it. I'm jealous of the Baha'i. I want a religion with a cool logo, too. Here are my options (I'll work out the details of the religion later.)
http://www.boingboing.net/_01Independent-Projects_03Speech-Bubbles_Bubble.jpg
http://www.fsu.edu/%7Especcoll/kapow/kapow_webpage/logo.jpg
http://www.armlesscadaver.com/IMAGES/thoughtbubble.gif
http://atomicgator.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/playboy_logo_sex.jpg
http://www.blog-articulos-publicitarios.es/images/Nouveau%20dossier/logo-mauvais-choix.jpg
or perhaps http://www.shelleytherepublican.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/ubuntu_censor_str.jpg

This one's for MoP...
http://iconvsicon.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/icp-bang-boom-pow-300x300.gif

zulater
10-28-2010, 09:31 PM
Iran to be member or U.N. woman's rights group (http://undhimmi.com/2010/10/28/un-lunacy-outdoes-itself-iran-to-become-member-of-womens-rights-group/)

No need to worry, help is on it's way for woman of the world everywhere, Iran is on the U.N.'s womans rights group. :doh: