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TRH
11-05-2010, 02:46 PM
Is this the end of hard-hitting football?? I've had some time to cool down and sit on this and think about it and i'm sorry to say it, it just might be.
Look over the last couple of years or so (and i may be forgetting some things, so feel free to add...
1st, there's been at least TWO, that i can think of, rules added to prevent quarterbacks from being hit hard in the last few years....
2nd, the change in the league, stemming from the Hines Ward powerful offensive blocks on unsuspecting opponents...
Now, this clear hard stance, in particular, to the Pittsburgh Steelers. and James Harrison (and i'm not just saying this being a Steelers fan...i'd say it if it was another player)....they are singling him out, no question, and its truly not fair (look out Troy...they're looking at you now)

The NFL office is playing a dangerous game (no pun intended) at this point.
1. They are not fining/suspending players equally. There were other hits around the NFL that should have got the same thing
2. They are judging whether a hit is malicious, momentum, or other. That's dangerous territory....how can you get into someone else's head and make that judegment?
Can you hit a player hard....really hard anymore...legal or not? example....a player cuts across the secondary next week and gets LICKED by a defensive back, legally, and lays on the field for 5 or 10 minutes and gets carted off, THAT player's getting fined next week, you can almost guarantee it and if its a Pittsburgh player, you CAN guarantee it.

Here's what the NFL won't tell you. They're trying to change this into baseball (which shows how dumb they are...baseball's turned into a miserable failure). Remember a few years back when baseball tried to eliminate good pitching and made ballparks smaller so there would be more home runs?? Well....the NFL wants games that are final scores of 80 - 64, etc.

vasteeler
11-05-2010, 03:17 PM
what really sucks is by the time my son can understand football the game i grew up on will have been ruined :banging::banging::banging::banging:

Atlanta Dan
11-05-2010, 03:56 PM
Here's what the NFL won't tell you. They're trying to change this into baseball (which shows how dumb they are...baseball's turned into a miserable failure). Remember a few years back when baseball tried to eliminate good pitching and made ballparks smaller so there would be more home runs?? Well....the NFL wants games that are final scores of 80 - 64, etc.

Great post as to what is driving this

Or change it into the NBA in cleats? I thought of what Goodell is up to when I read this obit on Maurice Lucas (center on the Schenley High champs from 1971 that were arguably the greatest HS basketball team in western PA history) and how the NBA game has been changed to discourage physical play

Let's get this straight now: I do not advocate fighting. Not in the NBA. Not in any sport. It's silly, juvenile, and my teenage son knows the first time he throws a punch in any game will be the last time he puts on a uniform.

That said, man, I miss Maurice Lucas....

As much as I'll miss the man, the game has missed him and his kind for a long time.

They were tough guys. Clint Eastwood tough, not fake-bravado tough. Guys who guarded their turf -- typically anywhere near the basket -- as if players trying to penetrate those borders were trying to steal food from their families' mouths. But they were also guys who, like Luke (known as The Enforcer) used their muscle to honor the game, not elevate their chest-pounding, jersey-snappin' egos.

There are no enforcers today. They're gone. Old-school physicality was legislated out of the game for marketability. And yes, safety.

"The league has done a 180," said Blazers assistant coach Buck Williams, a former power forward who was one of Luke's many (bruised) protegees. "To showcase the talents of the players, they've gotten rid of hand-checking and physical play. When they did that, guys like Maurice and myself -- guys whose game was largely based on intimidation and being a physical presence, being a gatekeeper to protect your teammates -- there was no place for us."

And that's too bad.

I don't want to call it the National Ballet Association, but there are nights when I wonder. The game is different. Players are, too. They changed because the rules changed

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=5760687

NFL-MLB-NBA all want the same thing - more scoring because that is assumed to attract more casual fans and higher ratings in our attention deficit disorder society

Goodell wants more Pats-Colts (or that Arizona-Green Bay shootout in the playoffs last year) and less Steelers-Ravens games

Riddle_Of_Steel
11-05-2010, 04:04 PM
All sad but true. By the time our kids start watching football, we are gonna sound like "old-timers", talking about the good ole days when men were still men and football was still a contact sport. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

Because it has been so gradual a progression, it has been hard to notice just how ridiculous football has gotten with all these safety-concious rules. This last weekend, the wife and I picked up the DVD set for SB IX, X, XII, & XIII, and let me tell you, watching Lambert decapitate QBs, Joe Green straight up bodyslamming ball carriers-- it did not even look like the same sport as what we watch every Sunday anymore. There couldn't have been a larger disparity; it was night and day.

Sad but true. Goodell sucks dong.

Atlanta Dan
11-05-2010, 04:21 PM
Yes


The NFL has fined two New England Patriots for hits on Brett Favre.

Defensive tackle Myron Pryor has been docked $7,500 for his hit that cut the Minnesota quarterback's chin. Favre left the Vikings' loss midway through the fourth quarter Sunday and needed 10 stitches in his chin.

Pryor was not penalized on the play, in which his helmet got under Favre's facemask and cut Favre's chin.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/11/05/myron-pryor-fine.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

It was a clean hit - Buck and Aikman made a point of explaining during the replay why it was a clean hit and not in violation of the new "increased emphasis" on enforcing the rules

Bottom line is Favre started bleeding - once the QB or receiver gets hurt (running backs are still on their own because they do not operate in the open field) the defensive player is going to get fined :banging:

TRH
11-05-2010, 04:43 PM
how does the player "getting hurt" or "started bleeding" then constitue a play into a dirty one or a fine/suspension??? That makes no sense AT ALL
You can "get hurt" on any play, clean non-violent ones as well. This all makes me sick to my stomach.

lionslicer
11-05-2010, 05:52 PM
People say "if you want to watch Futbol, go watch soccer" But Soccer soon will be more physical than the NFL... If it isn't already.

jjpro11
11-05-2010, 05:57 PM
the NFL is becoming a joke with their rules against the defense. they allow more hitting and contact in college and high school than in the pros these days. it's an absolute ****ing joke. you can thank the Colts for starting all this bullshit back when they lost to New England years ago in the playoffs. since then every time something didn't go their way Bill Polian would bitch and whine about it and get the rules changed in his favor. it's sickening how one team can single-handedly change the sport, and that is exactly what happened.

Fire Arians
11-05-2010, 06:01 PM
Yes


The NFL has fined two New England Patriots for hits on Brett Favre.

Defensive tackle Myron Pryor has been docked $7,500 for his hit that cut the Minnesota quarterback's chin. Favre left the Vikings' loss midway through the fourth quarter Sunday and needed 10 stitches in his chin.

Pryor was not penalized on the play, in which his helmet got under Favre's facemask and cut Favre's chin.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/11/05/myron-pryor-fine.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

It was a clean hit - Buck and Aikman made a point of explaining during the replay why it was a clean hit and not in violation of the new "increased emphasis" on enforcing the rules

Bottom line is Favre started bleeding - once the QB or receiver gets hurt (running backs are still on their own because they do not operate in the open field) the defensive player is going to get fined :banging:

that is crap, there shouldn't have been any fine for that, it was totally legal. news flash gooddell, people get hurt playing football...

SH-Rock
11-05-2010, 06:05 PM
Looking at some tackles from the Top 100 on NFL Network, I'd say that those players will be the last of their kind. From now on there'll be flag football.

Atlanta Dan
11-05-2010, 06:27 PM
Looking at some tackles from the Top 100 on NFL Network, I'd say that those players will be the last of their kind. From now on there'll be flag football.

Yep = the filmed hits in Top 100 are what they are (Night Train Lane and Ronnie Lott were particularly nasty) but the commentary by Jerry Glanville (Night Train)/ Dennis Miller (Joe Greene)/ and Marcus Allen (Lott) made a point as to how physical intimidation was part of the game

That would be edited out if those same commentaries were recorded today (which has happened - in the 75 Steelers America's Game episode the original version has Mike Wagner making a comment early on about parroting Chuck Noll's sayings after winning SB X and then jokingly saying "maybe I had a concussion or something" - the thought police had edited out Wagner's concussion reference when I last saw that America's Game installment on NFL Network)

I am not advocating cheap shots - Troy of course said it better than I ever could when he called out Goodell this week, as did Mel Blount in the 78 Steelers America's Game program when Mel says "football is a physical game - well, at least it used to be"

MikeHaullace
11-06-2010, 02:13 AM
I stand firm.

F Goodell.

I'm done with the NFL after this season.

TRH
11-06-2010, 09:07 AM
yeah, i was just over at Boston.com, the Boston Globe website reading the story of the 2 Patriot's hits and fines, and going through the tons of comments, almost EVERYONE is p****ed off and complaining about Goodell.
That's actually good news for all of us.

The more players from different teams that keep getting fined or suspended over perfectly legal, physical hits, the better at this point. That is the only thing that is going to raise public outcry to high, pressure levels on the league.
I just don't see this nonsense cutting it with the nationwide fanbase and/or even team ownership.
It's bad (really bad) for the game.

the only argument i'm seeing on the other side is about "cheap shots", blah, blah, blah, blah....
I don't have a problem with someone getting fined for a cheap shot either. a CHEAP shot. Not normal, regular, physical tackling and hits.

Atlanta Dan
11-06-2010, 11:14 AM
It also probably is coming to this

[A]t the University of North Carolina, researchers and athletic trainers are using innovative tools to identify and alert players who deliver too many blows with the top of their heads. Accelerometers inside players’ helmets capture the force and location of every impact to their heads. The university began using the program six years ago to alert sideline personnel to particularly hard hits in real time. It has also used it the past few seasons to pinpoint players whose brains are absorbing more impacts than normal — suggesting that they are using their heads in the worst of ways.

Several colleges and high schools have players in helmets equipped with accelerometers, known as the Head Impact Telemetry (HIT) system. But North Carolina may be alone in using it to identify dangerous techniques — which most everyone in football agrees are rampant at every level — and to teach safer play. ...

the video that almost all serious programs employ should allow coaches to pinpoint unsafe players as carefully as those who blow assignments. “When you have proof, whether it’s the accelerometers or the video, it really empowers you to get the message across,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/06/sports/ncaafootball/06helmets.html?hp

Big Brother on Park Avenue presumably will soon be using this data as well as a metric for the size of the fine to impose