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clevestinks
03-26-2006, 10:32 AM
Is Ike over rated?? Just asking. When we get good pressure he is great. Without pressure is he still worth all the hype? Our the Steelers set on him? I`m not sure, so I thought I would ask!

83-Steelers-43
03-26-2006, 10:43 AM
Is Ike over rated?? Just asking. When we get good pressure he is great. Without pressure is he still worth all the hype? Our the Steelers set on him? I`m not sure, so I thought I would ask!

IMO, I don't feel he is over rated. While he still has room for improvement, he's still young and will only get better over time. Pressure or no pressure, you don't shut down the likes of Marvin Harrison and Chad Johnson and still be considered over rated.

This is pure speculation on my part, but I feel the Steelers are set on him. He will be a Steeler next season and while I don't think we would break the bank in order to keep him, I also don't think we will have to break the bank in order to keep Ike Taylor.

Midnightwriter1
03-26-2006, 11:13 AM
YES overrated... you can say that every player may or may not get better over time but at this point... yes overrated just because he has speed alot of people think he is second coming. I belive SI called him overrated as well so i dont feel i am the only one out there lol Maybe two of us ? lmao I like Ike, just just dont think he is or will be " one of the top corners in the game" I hope he will priove me wrong but when you see a player drop as many INt's as he did and yes he got beat as well and he missed some easy tackles.. hard for me not to say otherwise. I think Mcfadden will be a better corner than Taylor.

tony hipchest
03-26-2006, 11:42 AM
no. charles woodeson is/was overrated. if ike is overrated i guess ben, m. starks, w. parker are too. theyre young. but with the steelers the value as a whole is greater than the sum of all its parts. all steelers will be a little higher rated to us fans cause we all saw the potential to be a sb winning team when everyone else thought it would never happen. hell, big ben was put in the choker category along with manning and cowher, cause of the afcc game loss last season. many thought ben was overrated. lets see ike take about 200 reps on the jugs machine every day after practice and improve on his int.,s next season. when the potential is there to have 10-12 int in a year, theres nothing overrated about that

who is underrated is darren perry the secondary coach.

Midnightwriter1
03-26-2006, 12:01 PM
ok fair enough, but until he does make those INT's and tackles a lil better... he is overrated in my opinion until he does those things. I would not view him as overrated unless people didnt call him "great". Again, Mcfadden will be a much corner than Taylor will i think.

83-Steelers-43
03-26-2006, 12:19 PM
Personally, I have not heard many Steeler fans or local sports writers (on here or locally) state that Ike is a "great" player. I have heard terms such as solid/dependable/good and then the youth factor normally follows and then finally, he will be great in time. That's about it.

When it comes to Sport Illustrated, they are about as dependable as the "experts" on ESPN. Sports Illustrated has not been following Ike Taylor's career. Hell, this is the same magazine that did not give us a shot after coming off a 15-1 season. Only when we started to make a run in the playoffs is when they decided to jump on our jocks. Before then, it was the Colts this, the Bungals that, the non-stop reminders that the Patriots still have a football team, etc. etc.

Also, I don't really recall Ike blowing tackles. I do recall dropped INT's, but his tackling did not seem to be a problem from what I witnessed this season. Maybe I'm missing something? The INT's can be worked on and changed. That's the plus. It's not a weakness that's impossible to fix.

TasmanianTroy271
03-26-2006, 01:26 PM
I do agree McFadden will be a better Playmaking corner than Ike and will be a bigger impact of the Defense as a whole, with Blitzing and run support, but I tihnk Ike may end up being one of the most solid CB's in the league.

Haiku_Dirtt
03-26-2006, 01:59 PM
Ike plays hard. DO I want Ike back? Hell yes!

But do we turn down a first round pick this AND pay him too much (causing inflation for future contracts)? Hell no!

83-Steelers-43
03-26-2006, 02:06 PM
But do we turn down a first round pick this AND pay him too much (causing inflation for future contracts)? Hell no!

Just my opinon. The first round pick depends on what team is willing to give it up. Obviously it would not be a second or third, so it would not be worth it. I agree I'm not willing to break the bank on Ike, but this goes back to the assumption that teams are willing to blow large amounts of money in order to obtain Ike. The guy has only had one good season in his very young career. I'm not seeing many teams breaking the bank (counting us) in order to get Ike Taylor.

This is not a diss towards Ike, I think he will be very good, maybe even great in the future. Going by this past season, I really liked what I saw in his play. As I stated already, he does have room for improvement (much like every young ball player in the NFL), but all in time.

clevestinks
03-26-2006, 05:43 PM
no. charles woodeson is/was overrated. if ike is overrated i guess ben, m. starks, w. parker are too. theyre young. but with the steelers the value as a whole is greater than the sum of all its parts. all steelers will be a little higher rated to us fans cause we all saw the potential to be a sb winning team when everyone else thought it would never happen. hell, big ben was put in the choker category along with manning and cowher, cause of the afcc game loss last season. many thought ben was overrated. lets see ike take about 200 reps on the jugs machine every day after practice and improve on his int.,s next season. when the potential is there to have 10-12 int in a year, theres nothing overrated about that

who is underrated is darren perry the secondary coach.
When a defense is as good as the Steelers were,are, a good player may seem great in the scheme, or amongst 10 other great players. And I `m not saying that he is overrated, just asking

ngreene15
03-26-2006, 06:28 PM
When a defense is as good as the Steelers were,are, a good player may seem great in the scheme, or amongst 10 other great players. And I `m not saying that he is overrated, just asking
That's true... When the defense gets pressure on the other team like the Steelers do... It makes the secondary look that much better.

Suitanim
03-26-2006, 06:31 PM
Ike was asked to do something no Steeler since Woodson was, and he not only pulled it off, for the most part he excelled at it.

Ike was a "shadow back", meaning he didn't play just RCB or LCB, but he lined up against the best WR the opposing team had to offer, no matter where that guy lined up. To even suggest that a small college product picked up in the 4th round CAN be overrated is a little odd.

Does anyone know that Ike was an offensive player in College? He was moved to DB in his Senior year, I believe.

When presented with the facts, I'd say Ike is probably still underrated, even considering all the accolades he's receiving now...

OX1947
03-26-2006, 07:26 PM
Keep Ike, sign him to a long term deal. If we can sign Ike, and sign Big Ben and Troy to long term deals, our core team will be together for at least 2 more years. Enough to hopefully be the first team in hostory to three peat.....

schonrph
03-26-2006, 11:26 PM
for the money he is making now, the man is underated

sign him now, because the steelers will never be able to compete with other teams for

free agents.

Koopa
03-26-2006, 11:56 PM
i don't think he's overrated, but he still has a lot of room to improve. he's young and he played great for this year so he'll be worth whatever he gets paid. he probably should invest in a jugs machine or wtfever it is called cause the dude has no hands at all, he dropped a few easy ints this year and if he improves his hands he'd be a ballhawk that we need. also if the F.O. wasn't sure about him i'm sure they wouldn't have put that high of a tender on him

BlitzburghRockCity
03-27-2006, 01:18 AM
Ike is not a "great" corner.. great is over used in sports and football is no different. That being said Im more than happy with him back there, he's come so far in the 2 years he's been playing CB and he's definately got such an upside that he can be something special if he continues to apply himself and improve. Sure he's still gonna get burnt now and then, he's young and learning..but I want him around for a long time in a Steeler uniform, he's definately a jewel in the rough IMO.

83-Steelers-43
03-27-2006, 10:04 AM
Koop, blitz, I agree.

clevestinks
03-27-2006, 03:35 PM
There are a ton of valid points for both sides of this. The best thing about him coming back would be he has room to improve, and he knows the defense. If he improves the sky is the limit.
On the other hand if he leaves and we get another first round pick, especially if it is a high pick, it would be fun speculating what we would get.

Midnightwriter1
03-27-2006, 03:50 PM
If a team liek the pats dont go after him, we will sign him in the summer. We are 16 million under the cap next year ... i think they will get him signed once all the dust is settled and cleared and a team doesnt go after him and give up first round pick.