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madtowndrunkard
11-15-2010, 02:05 AM
Since the bye week.....

Beat up Cleveland

Saved by the refs in Miami

Spanked in NO

Snuck by a bad Cinci team and looked bad doing it.

Embarrassed by NE


If it were not for 1 really bad call by the refs we are 5-4 right now. If you are 5-4 at the half way point it would be panic time. I think given the trend of us playing worse as the season goes on....it is panic time. We need to right the ship soon or our season is over. We can only lose 3 more games this season and have any hope to make the playoffs. With how we've looked the past month I have a hard time believing we'll win 3 more games.

Fire Arians
11-15-2010, 02:06 AM
now is the time to be really concerned.

if we lose to the raiders next week, then it's time to panic. though tbh this season is looking a lot like last year's, strong start but after a bad rash of injuries, splat. Every team has injuries, but we don't have replacements that ever step up.

madtowndrunkard
11-15-2010, 02:09 AM
now is the time to be really concerned.

if we lose to the raiders next week, then it's time to panic

I was concerned after seeing us against a really bad Cinci team. Yea we won, but it wasn't pretty. It was VERY obvious that Cinci team is REALLY bad. A legit playoff team runs the ball down cinci's throat. We should have been able to run on NE, but that didn't happen either.

Fire Arians
11-15-2010, 02:13 AM
I was concerned after seeing us against a really bad Cinci team. Yea we won, but it wasn't pretty. It was VERY obvious that Cinci team is REALLY bad. A legit playoff team runs the ball down cinci's throat. We should have been able to run on NE, but that didn't happen either.

true but if this loss doesn't wake the team up, then pretty much it's game over for this season. Last week maybe our players thought they could play like shit and still win. maybe against the bengals, but not the patriots.

madtowndrunkard
11-15-2010, 02:14 AM
The ONLY comfort I have right now is that no team in the AFC really looks the part of a legit SB winner.

NE, Indy, Jets, and Ravens are definitely the teams to beat right now. But none of them have been consistent. So we have time to fix things...I Just for some reason don't have faith in Tomlin and his staff of being capable of fixing this to the point were we are legit SB contenders. After the last month I'm seriously wondering if we can win 10 games.

ZoneBlitzer
11-15-2010, 02:14 AM
I pushed the panic button three weeks ago. This team has been winning ugly. And tonight they were thoroughly exposed. The offense is the Achilles heel. The unit is quite simply pathetic. And it has been that way for weeks. The mounting injuries is also crippling. The slide will begin now.

madtowndrunkard
11-15-2010, 02:16 AM
The only way to beat NE is to score points and sustain drives. Our offense has not done that consistently against anyone season and we are going into week 10.

Steel_Bus_24
11-15-2010, 02:20 AM
Admittedly, I had them losing to the Saints, Pats, and Ravens down the stretch and making the Playoffs at 12-4 most likely as a WC

so I shouldn't be surprised by anything yet.............


that was until we started playing at this god awful level again.....The level of play is just disgusting for a Steelers team...hell for most NFL teams.....We're actually regressing.....or maybe we were always this bad and were just lucky to avoid top notch qbs like Brady and Brees until now......

The 09 Steelers are back and better then ever....until proven otherwise IMO

TRH
11-15-2010, 09:47 AM
The injuries stacking up are VERY concerning and getting to the ridiculous point.

Tomlin needs to step up to the plate and make some kind of statement lighting some serious FIRE and passion up in this team.
The "listlessness" and "non-chalant" attitude it looks like they have is actually the thing causing me panic....

BritishSteel
11-15-2010, 10:02 AM
The injuries stacking up are VERY concerning and getting to the ridiculous point.

Tomlin needs to step up to the plate and make some kind of statement lighting some serious FIRE and passion up in this team.


As long as the words 'unleash' and 'hell' aren't in there!

We're a beat up team, who are showing now that we're short on back-ups in key areas. Part of it is bad luck, part of it is having ageing players on both lines (Thank God we took Pouncey in Rd1 last year - I wanted us to go for Earl Thomas) and that compounds the injury situation, part of it is lack of talent in key positions and part of it is coaching.

We are still in the mix-up though, even with last nights f**k-up fresh in the mind - The Pats showed against the Browns what we showed against the Pats - that there are no elite teams in the AFC. It's still there if we want it badly enough. The question is, do we want it badly enough? And that's where your HC earns the big bucks, and last night's game proved why Bellicheat, for a much as I loathe him, is still the best head coach in the NFL - now Tomlin needs to step up.

For what it's worth, I think we'll finish 11-5, with loses against the Jets and the Rats, but make it as a wild card. For that to happen, we'll need to show a lot more than we did last night - the Raiders and Browns are both plenty good enough to beat us on last night's showing.

Third Rail
11-15-2010, 10:07 AM
Well, if last night proved anything, it's that NFL analysts don't know jack shit.

I watched Playbook last week and listened to how the Steelers should dominate the Patriots because Ben is a great QB and we have a running game now and how the only shot New England had was to rely solely on Tom Brady. And I wanted to believe.

But deep down, I just couldn't.

The offense has struggled week to week, and its already pathetic O-Line is now chock full of back-up players. And given that the STARTERS on this unit (with the exception of Pouncey, who has played really well) tend to suck so bad that no other team in the league would even dream about using these guys in any capacity, well, safe to say, I knew to expect multiple sacks.

Then you add in our "improved" running game. I'm sorry, but I haven't been impressed with Bendandfall - sorry Mendenhall - for the past three seasons. I know that he's had a few impressive games and/or runs here and there, but the guy is just too inconsistent. He couldn't run against a horrible Browns defense last year when we really needed a win and it was too windy to throw the ball. And now he couldn't run against a crappy Pats defense that gave up 200 yards or something ridiculous to Peyton Hillis, a guy no one had ever even heard of before this season. Now granted, the Steelers did kind of give up on the run early, but multiple 3 & outs and backfield tackles will do that to you.

As for Ben - I tend to go easier on him than most people because he's played behind the worst O-Line I've ever seen year after year (seriously, I'd take the Redskins' O-Line over these guys) and has still managed to produce big numbers and big victories. But he's seemed to be off his game lately and I think that there are three main reasons: 1. trouble focusing in light of all of his recent off-the field problems and other pressures 2. no time to throw and 3. the lack of a WR who can run AND catch. For all of you who were rejoicing when Santonio got the boot, how are you feeling now? Holmes, like him or not, was a game-changing receiver. Ward and Miller are tough, but they're not fast. Wallace is fast, but he's not tough and occasionally gets a case of the Sweeds and drops important passes. And Randel El is worthless except on the occasional gadget play. Sanders might evolve into a true threat, but for now, he hasn't really stood out. Holmes was tough AND fast... the kind of WR who could take a 10-yard pass and turn it into a 40-yard TD. Just look at his game winner against Cleveland yesterday. THAT is what we are missing.

Finally, can we all finally agree that our defense is the most overrated unit in the NFL? I'm so sick of listening to these so-called experts gush over how brilliant the Steeler defense is, only to watch them get carved up either in the 4th quarter, or throughout the entire game, like last night. You want to know how to beat Pittsburgh? That's easy. Throw the ball. To anyone. Hell, just throw it up for grabs; it doesn't matter. Of course, if you want a surefire touchdown on every pass, just throw at William Gay. And no, I don't mean throw in his general direction. Throw it DIRECTLY AT HIM as if he were the intended receiver. Guaranteed, one of your WRs will get to it before he does.

Ultimately, failure starts at the top. People have been chanting "Fire Bruce Arians" in Pittsburgh for years, and it's time that happened, but I think a bigger house cleaning is necessary. Mike Tomlin has been coasting on Bill Cowher's legacy for long enough. He has no ideas, no solutions, and no clue how to coach a team that needs leadership. The only reason he has a Super Bowl ring is because he inherited a mostly complete team. And I also would go so far as to say that it's time for Dick LeBeau to retire. He is one of the greatest coaches of all time. But after last season and what we've seen of this one, I'm starting to think that the game has passed him by. His schemes no longer seem to be effective, and offenses all over the league are exploiting that. It might be time to bring in a fresh mind.

madtowndrunkard
11-15-2010, 10:09 AM
As long as the words 'unleash' and 'hell' aren't in there!

We're a beat up team, who are showing now that we're short on back-ups in key areas. Part of it is bad luck, part of it is having ageing players on both lines (Thank God we took Pouncey in Rd1 last year - I wanted us to go for Earl Thomas) and that compounds the injury situation, part of it is lack of talent in key positions and part of it is coaching.

We are still in the mix-up though, even with last nights f**k-up fresh in the mind - The Pats showed against the Browns what we showed against the Pats - that there are no elite teams in the AFC. It's still there if we want it badly enough. The question is, do we want it badly enough? And that's where your HC earns the big bucks, and last night's game proved why Bellicheat, for a much as I loathe him, is still the best head coach in the NFL - now Tomlin needs to step up.

For what it's worth, I think we'll finish 11-5, with loses against the Jets and the Rats, but make it as a wild card. For that to happen, we'll need to show a lot more than we did last night - the Raiders and Browns are both plenty good enough to beat us on last night's showing.

I do not want to hear about injuries. That is an excuse. It is not why we are losing. We had offensive issues all season. We were giving up passing yards late in games all season. Our kicker has stunk all season. Bruce Arians has been worthless all season.

The GB Packers have more serious injuries then we do, yet they are getting better and we are not.

BritishSteel
11-15-2010, 10:23 AM
I do not want to hear about injuries. That is an excuse. It is not why we are losing. We had offensive issues all season. We were giving up passing yards late in games all season. Our kicker has stunk all season. Bruce Arians has been worthless all season.

The GB Packers have more serious injuries then we do, yet they are getting better and we are not.

Whch, if you read my post, is my point. There's no point denying we don't have injuries, because we do, just as there's no point denying that were better in the trenches with Starks and Smith than we obviously are when they're out. My point about us being beat up is that we don't have the quality of players to step in when we do have key players go down, and with aging lines, you have to draft with that in mind - we haven't done so, and that's where the fault is.

Injuries affect every team, it's how you factor for them that separates the men from the boys - we haven't and we're paying for it. I also raised the coaching issues and holes in key personnel areas.

steeltheone
11-15-2010, 10:41 AM
We banked on the old guys on defense having Enough left to get us through this season. Smith and Keisel are out as expected, Hampton is overpaid and overrated. Hood looks like a average player who was drafted in round 1. We are so slow up front and in the middle it's easy to exploite. Farrior is nothing but a backup now and that's all Foote ever was.

TRH
11-15-2010, 10:46 AM
Hood looks like a average player who was drafted in round 1.


This is quite ANOTHER concern. You would think he'd be somewhat of a beast out there, but just really looks like a uniform with a number on it.

SteelCityMom
11-15-2010, 11:14 AM
Ehh...I've seen enough good years and bad years to not "panic" anymore. Season's only a little over halfway over now, and they are 6-3. Similar to '08 and '09 in record...so I guess it could go either way or somewhere in between.

Yeah, I know that's a broad statement to make. But it's true. All predictions are pointless right now b/c the Steelers are in a position where anything could happen. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.

Vinseyes50
11-15-2010, 11:19 AM
We need to release GAY he is by far the worse D back i ve ever seen... He doesnt try hard enough....on top of it...how can a 240 lb tight end burn him on so many plays...He stinks and the Steelers will lose more games with him.....

lionslicer
11-15-2010, 11:21 AM
I was concerned after the the Titans game. If this team somehow drags itself into the playoffs, they'll need miracles to win anything.

We can't release anyone and just pull off people off the street, the coaches need to buckle down and coach and not lose the players this point in the season.

This could easily turn into one of Cowher's late 90's seasons where they looked good at the begining of the season then flatline at the mid point. 3 straight seasons the team started 5-3 or better and ended the season 7-9 6-10 and 9-7
This seems like another bad steeler season.

Third Rail
11-15-2010, 11:30 AM
I really have two worries about what could (or is most likely to) happen this season.

1. The Steelers have another LONG losing streak like they did last year, knocking them out of playoff contention. A bad thing for sure, but if could (possibly) lead to some actual ACTIVITY during free agency and a draft that doesn't leave fans dumbfounded. Although more than likely it would result in something profoundly stupid like Art Rooney II climbing up on his high horse, blaming all of the season's problems on Ben's legal troubles and trading him to the Browns for a 6th round pick in 2017 or something.

2. We manage to scrape by and win a string of close games (like in 2008) and make it into the playoffs, thereby leaving the "experts" to deem the season a success, which will lead to the coaching staff and the front office to fail to address any of the team's issues and we'll have another dormant period during free agency and a sub-par draft.


Of course, there's always the chance that this horrid game will light a fire under everyone's asses and they'll play lights out through the end of the season, but I don't know if I can say that without laughing.

BlackAndGold4Ever
11-15-2010, 11:39 AM
Hopefully we learn from this loss and beat the Raiders (whom were terrible last year and beat us at home). Im not hitting the panic button yet, but if we look as anemic against the Raiders as we did against the Pats the alarms will be sounding

Third Rail
11-15-2010, 11:43 AM
Considering that the Raiders have been blowing out teams lately... I'm worried as hell. I might not even watch the game next week.

tony hipchest
11-15-2010, 11:43 AM
We need to release GAY he is by far the worse D back i ve ever seen... He doesnt try hard enough....on top of it...how can a 240 lb tight end burn him on so many plays...He stinks and the Steelers will lose more games with him.....

more like a 6'6"/265 lb TE covered by a 5'10"/ 190 lb CB.

patriots dictated a favorable matchup with their 12 (sometimes 13) personell grouping, and exploited it when we failed to adjust.

theres a reason the patriots let ben watson and randy moss go and drafted two TE's with early picks.

=philosophy shift the rest of the league will need to catch up with.

tony hipchest
11-15-2010, 11:45 AM
oh, and :shout:-PANIC!!!

ZoneBlitzer
11-15-2010, 01:24 PM
Well, if last night proved anything, it's that NFL analysts don't know jack shit.

I watched Playbook last week and listened to how the Steelers should dominate the Patriots because Ben is a great QB and we have a running game now and how the only shot New England had was to rely solely on Tom Brady. And I wanted to believe.

But deep down, I just couldn't.

The offense has struggled week to week, and its already pathetic O-Line is now chock full of back-up players. And given that the STARTERS on this unit (with the exception of Pouncey, who has played really well) tend to suck so bad that no other team in the league would even dream about using these guys in any capacity, well, safe to say, I knew to expect multiple sacks.

Then you add in our "improved" running game. I'm sorry, but I haven't been impressed with Bendandfall - sorry Mendenhall - for the past three seasons. I know that he's had a few impressive games and/or runs here and there, but the guy is just too inconsistent. He couldn't run against a horrible Browns defense last year when we really needed a win and it was too windy to throw the ball. And now he couldn't run against a crappy Pats defense that gave up 200 yards or something ridiculous to Peyton Hillis, a guy no one had ever even heard of before this season. Now granted, the Steelers did kind of give up on the run early, but multiple 3 & outs and backfield tackles will do that to you.

As for Ben - I tend to go easier on him than most people because he's played behind the worst O-Line I've ever seen year after year (seriously, I'd take the Redskins' O-Line over these guys) and has still managed to produce big numbers and big victories. But he's seemed to be off his game lately and I think that there are three main reasons: 1. trouble focusing in light of all of his recent off-the field problems and other pressures 2. no time to throw and 3. the lack of a WR who can run AND catch. For all of you who were rejoicing when Santonio got the boot, how are you feeling now? Holmes, like him or not, was a game-changing receiver. Ward and Miller are tough, but they're not fast. Wallace is fast, but he's not tough and occasionally gets a case of the Sweeds and drops important passes. And Randel El is worthless except on the occasional gadget play. Sanders might evolve into a true threat, but for now, he hasn't really stood out. Holmes was tough AND fast... the kind of WR who could take a 10-yard pass and turn it into a 40-yard TD. Just look at his game winner against Cleveland yesterday. THAT is what we are missing.

Finally, can we all finally agree that our defense is the most overrated unit in the NFL? I'm so sick of listening to these so-called experts gush over how brilliant the Steeler defense is, only to watch them get carved up either in the 4th quarter, or throughout the entire game, like last night. You want to know how to beat Pittsburgh? That's easy. Throw the ball. To anyone. Hell, just throw it up for grabs; it doesn't matter. Of course, if you want a surefire touchdown on every pass, just throw at William Gay. And no, I don't mean throw in his general direction. Throw it DIRECTLY AT HIM as if he were the intended receiver. Guaranteed, one of your WRs will get to it before he does.

Ultimately, failure starts at the top. People have been chanting "Fire Bruce Arians" in Pittsburgh for years, and it's time that happened, but I think a bigger house cleaning is necessary. Mike Tomlin has been coasting on Bill Cowher's legacy for long enough. He has no ideas, no solutions, and no clue how to coach a team that needs leadership. The only reason he has a Super Bowl ring is because he inherited a mostly complete team. And I also would go so far as to say that it's time for Dick LeBeau to retire. He is one of the greatest coaches of all time. But after last season and what we've seen of this one, I'm starting to think that the game has passed him by. His schemes no longer seem to be effective, and offenses all over the league are exploiting that. It might be time to bring in a fresh mind.

Wow. Now this is speaking truth to power. This should be published. It is brutally accurate. Brilliant post.

Third Rail
11-15-2010, 01:26 PM
Wow. Now this is speaking truth to power. This should be published. It is brutally accurate. Brilliant post.

Thanks. Although, it's certainly one of those situations where I wish I was completely wrong.

PLEASE STEELERS PROVE ME WRONG!!!!

ZoneBlitzer
11-15-2010, 01:30 PM
Thanks. Although, it's certainly one of those situations where I wish I was completely wrong.

PLEASE STEELERS PROVE ME WRONG!!!!

One other thing. I feel the same way when I listen to the analysts. Sometimes I wonder if they are actually watching the same game that I'm watching. Also, Bendandfall - I like that. You know Mendy is a decent back but he lacks that leg drive and fight. I wish the Steelers had a back like Steven Jackson from the Rams. That's the type of back that this team needs. I see Mendy as a bit of a finesse back. We need a mudder and a bruiser to run with attitude.

Lord of Lombardi
11-15-2010, 01:40 PM
I am concerned that we overestimated our own team. We were 3-1 without Ben and the way he finished last year gives me no hope that he has matured and will get better. Add the Atlanta spring break trip and we have basically the same team as last year. Worse if you take Santonio and the old Jeff shanker Reed out of the equation. Dick Lebeau is a great D coordinator, just what makes him great? I don't recall any of our Steeler teams being known for making great adjustments at half. Same story against New Orleans where (they) made the adjustments and then again in Cincy, and then again last night. Where is this great Defensive mind? Only when we are successful with sacks, getting to the QB are we known as a good D. That is when Lebeau reeps the accolades. Not one DB has been known for being an outstanding cover guy. Are you telling me out of all those names, not one was superior quality? I'd like to see some quality adjustments and shut down a team when one facet of our D is shakey in the first half. Haven't seen it. We're in trouble.

Third Rail
11-15-2010, 01:45 PM
Yeah, Mendenhall is fast but 9 times out of 10, if you hit him once, he goes down. He's like Willie Parker 2.0. He gets tripped up way too often, and he also seems totally unable to improvise if a defender is blocking the way he originally intended to go. He just scrambles around in the backfield until he gets knocked on his ass.

But I guess there's a bright side. At least he isn't fumbling the ball 3 times a game anymore.

But I literally have trouble remembering what it was like to watch games where a hand-off to a runningback didn't feel like a waste of a down.

tony hipchest
11-15-2010, 01:49 PM
...where a hand-off to a runningback didn't feel like a waste of a down.

bruce "my offense dont need no stinking fullback" arians feels the same way.

Third Rail
11-15-2010, 02:56 PM
Well, now we have a fullback, and like you said, he stinks.

Or course, maybe if we had a talented FB, then things would change, but you know... this is Pittsburgh! Who needs blocking? Just throw the QB and the RB out there on their own and forget the rest!

fer522
11-15-2010, 03:26 PM
not yet
the Giants lost to the cowgirls but that does not make them a bad team
they just had a bad outing
our coaches suck but i thing they will get this sorted out
thats what i hope anyways:wave: