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SteelMusic
11-16-2010, 01:29 PM
I just had a look at the stats and we are at the bottom of the barrel in offense (24th in total offense). Yet we have the #1 rushing defense and are in the top ten in total defense.

I understand the defense has had some problems but the majority of this teams problems are with the stagnant offense.

plenewken
11-16-2010, 01:51 PM
I just had a look at the stats and we are at the bottom of the barrel in offense (24th in total offense). Yet we have the #1 rushing defense and are in the top ten in total defense.

I understand the defense has had some problems but the majority of this teams problems are with the stagnant offense.

It was the case already last year. Arians MUST go and the OL needs serious upgrading.

CT_STEELERFAN
11-16-2010, 02:10 PM
Arians holds a GIANT plastic coated play sheet which has three plays..the rest of it is the Primanti's menu! Really...if it were 3rd and 20 and he would call for a quartback sneak over the pile for one yard and let Ben lay there 'til the defense touched him! UGGGGGGH!

Steelerfreak58
11-16-2010, 02:23 PM
When your offensive game plan is RUN RUN SACK... and go 3 and out all night it tends to wear a defense down...

Arians is a turd.
The OL needs so much upgrading its scary.
Ben needs to throw the damn ball.
When Ben actually puts the ball in the receivers hands they actually need to catch the damn thing...

stb_steeler
11-16-2010, 02:27 PM
I just had a look at the stats and we are at the bottom of the barrel in offense (24th in total offense). Yet we have the #1 rushing defense and are in the top ten in total defense.

I understand the defense has had some problems but the majority of this teams problems are with the stagnant offense.

Thats nothing new...... Lets not forget how many eggs that were laid in redzone this season to.

SteelCityMom
11-16-2010, 02:54 PM
I just had a look at the stats and we are at the bottom of the barrel in offense (24th in total offense). Yet we have the #1 rushing defense and are in the top ten in total defense.

I understand the defense has had some problems but the majority of this teams problems are with the stagnant offense.

While having a great run defense is wonderful...some of that is due to the fact that our pass defense has gone to crap (more than it already was).

We had a discussion about this before the Saints game about the overall stats of the pass defense, and I defended them then because despite their low ranking (which has only gotten lower...26th now), they weren't allowing many TDs or points, just yards. It was extremely bend but don't break.

Well now, it's broken.

-Before (and after) the Saints game, the Steelers D was first in points allowed. They are now 5th. And in 3 weeks went from 13.7 ppg to 18 ppg. Yeah, I know...that's not horrible, but it's a bad trend in only 3 games.
-They had only allowed 4 passing TD's to that point (in 6 games)...that number has almost tripled to 11 passing TD's allowed (that's 7 in 3 games).
-Steelers D had 9 INTs in the first 6 games. They have 2 in the last 3.

The offense has pretty much stayed where they were for the first 6 games (scoring wise) by .6 ppg to 22.2 ppg. They are +8 in the TO category, which is VERY important. That means that while they may not score everytime they get to the EZ, they're not coughing the ball up much either.

Other than yards per game, they're pretty much middle of the pack. Getting rid of Arians would be a good start, but dropped passes have begun to become an issue again too. That's just poor execution that is costing points.

Defense IMO has a lot more to work on than the offense does though. Not giving the O a pass or anything, b/c they need some fixing too...but they've been slipping more than any other facet of the game as of late.

wootawnee
11-16-2010, 03:00 PM
When your offensive game plan is RUN RUN SACK... and go 3 and out all night it tends to wear a defense down...

Arians is a turd.
The OL needs so much upgrading its scary.
Ben needs to throw the damn ball.
When Ben actually puts the ball in the receivers hands they actually need to catch the damn thing...

Turd....lol thats the best one that seems to fit him........He just looks lost standing there with that play sheet.......He should be up in the booth anyhoot......
We need better hot routes.....Ben needs to throw the ball away more........No huddle seemed to work......Hmmmmmm Ben was play callin....

DoctorCAD
11-16-2010, 03:03 PM
Stats don't mean shit.

Fantasy football has ruined the NFL.

Atlanta Dan
11-16-2010, 03:03 PM
While having a great run defense is wonderful...some of that is due to the fact that our pass defense has gone to crap (more than it already was).

Defense IMO has a lot more to work on than the offense does though. Not giving the O a pass or anything, b/c they need some fixing too...but they've been slipping more than any other facet of the game as of late.

Agreed - I put this in another thread but the statistcal analysis fits here

New York Times article today focuses on net yards per pass attempt as a good measure for on the field success

Dominant teams tend to pass much more efficiently than their opponents.. . Of the 44 Super Bowl winners, 37 of them averaged at least 1 net yard per pass attempt more than they allowed.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...od/?ref=sports

I checked out how recent Steelers teams were ranked for this stat

2005 Steelers gained 7.1 yards per pass attempt and gave up 5.3 per attempt (+1.8) and ranked third in net yards allowed per pass attempt

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/2005.htm

2008 Steelers gained 5.9 yards per pass attempt and gave up 4.3 per attempt (+1.6) and ranked first in net yards allowed per pass attempt

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/2008.htm

2010 Steelers gain 6.9 yards per attempt and give up 6.3 per attempt (+0.6) and currently rank 17th in net yards allowed by the defense per pass attempt

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/2010.htm

LeBeau's style of defense by pressuring the QB and keeping everything in front of the secondary has resulted in a low net yards per pass attempt in the past - that has come apart as the pass defense is now middle of the pack or worse

Set-Man
11-16-2010, 03:20 PM
I agree that Arians' run, run, try to go deep with 5 second routes which ends with 6 pump fakes and an image of midgets trying to take down king kong (Ben) with a 8 yard sack, is frustrating. Especially when it happens so often.

We know our line cannot give us time to pass, so why not put some rb screens, play-action in there to mix it up?

Also the defense-backs and the 10-15 yard cushions isn't working anymore. It stopped working last year when the team spiraled. We need another cover corner, badly!

Just think if the dbs could give the lb's an extra second. They would have so much more pressure. it beats watching on of our lb's get beat time and time again by the slot receiver or tight end.

If these things don't work we need a change in some personnel....

btaylor179
11-16-2010, 03:30 PM
i was screamin for no huddle as soon as ne scored first td.....its THE ONLY TIME we move the ball

fer522
11-16-2010, 04:24 PM
i was screamin for no huddle as soon as ne scored first td.....its THE ONLY TIME we move the ball

and i was screaming for more beer :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Fire Arians
11-16-2010, 04:31 PM
i was screamin for no huddle as soon as ne scored first td.....its THE ONLY TIME we move the ball

sad but true. we should do what the 90's bills did and just run the no huddle all game. hell, its not like we control the clock anyway going run, run, pass (or sack), and punt

Lord of Lombardi
11-16-2010, 06:57 PM
I was screaming for Cliff Stoudt, has anyone seen the current QB performing out there?
The only stat that really matters is the points against!! Seriously, who cares about rushing D, passing D, total D....As long as the Steelers give up the least amount of points at the end of the game, that is all I care about. I am hoping for a 14 point win over Oakland since Campbell can't handle the blitz. But after last game, I'm hoping that we didn't forget how to blitz. Lebeau, we're not called sit on our hands, and rely on suck ass DB's burg....It's BLITZBURGH!!!!!!!

I'd take a one point win on Sunday while I sit in the stands.....

TRH
11-16-2010, 11:42 PM
Well, our D is on the downslide. At this rate, we sure as hell won't end up 10th total. We'll be farther down than that.
And yes, Ben needs to get rid of the ball and stop taking so many sacks. And yes, the receivers need to catch the damn ball.. We can rely on Hines totally. A receiving corp is more than one guy. But it's not just the sacks and the drops. It's also the route-running. Horrible. Look like clowns out there. Receivers not turning around for the ball. Receivers running the wrong way. There's definitely multiple issues on the O.

ZoneBlitzer
11-17-2010, 12:20 AM
I just had a look at the stats and we are at the bottom of the barrel in offense (24th in total offense). Yet we have the #1 rushing defense and are in the top ten in total defense.

I understand the defense has had some problems but the majority of this teams problems are with the stagnant offense.

What??? I am shocked to hear this news... Does the media know about this? Because all they ever focus in on is the defense. Somebody better tell Bob Smizik, the Arians lover.