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ZoneBlitzer
11-17-2010, 12:51 AM
I started twitching when I saw this article. I can't answer it. I just don't know where to begin.

Anyhow, Brown is calling for replies here:

http://blog.triblive.com/view-from-the-press-box/2010/11/16/the-bruce-arians-question/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+triblive/blog/ViewFromThePressBox+(View+from+the+Press+Box+Blog)

Rick5895
11-17-2010, 05:35 AM
I replied to the article and it is awaiting moderation. I will offer my thoughts and i am sure I will get some rebuttal.
1. 11 td's in 27 redzone opportunities is woeful at best, blame some on execution but the play calling is the same as last year when we struggled.

2. Why the hell is Moore in for entire series and in the red zone?

3. There needs to be some sort of adjustment when we can't throw those deeper patterns, B.A is not capable of adjusting.

4. Look at Sundays game. Brady has the ball out very quickly, eliminates pressure, Ben hold the ball 4 and 5 seconds waiting for receivers to get open. That is a long time to ask "good" oline to hold blocks, much less our injury riddled line.

5. Aside from the Green bay game last season, I haven't seen our offense really bail the defense out of a sub par game in years.

Ben threw for 250 yards in the 4th quarter, so what, when we needed this offense to step up in the first half they were non existant, 1 FG in two red zone trips killed us early. When mendy is out of the game people know we are likely to throw so they either blitz or have a "blanket" coverage. Mendy needs to be spelled off once in a while but never for entire offensive series and never in the red zone.
This all falls on the system which is Bruce Arians. Unfortunately he is here to stay at least for the rest of this season, making this change half way through is counter productive IMO.

Just one guys observations.

sharkweek
11-17-2010, 05:51 AM
All I know is we need a OC that can unleash Ben, not hold him back. Ben has proven time and again that he can put this team on his back and bring us 4th Q victories if need be. But it would be nice to amass some hefty leads in the first 3 quarters to where we don't need to come back from a late game deficit.

This run-run-pass garbage is fine if:
A. we actually have a formidable O-Line
B. we don't have a QB we can trust to win game solely on his passing

Another troubling trend is Arians outsmarting himself. If its 3rd/4th and inches why the hell are we running a sweep EVERY SINGLE TIME? If our OL/RBs can't win a short game straight up the middle then at least let our franchise QB make a play.

Whodis
11-17-2010, 06:39 AM
The Tribune is such a bunch of homers. Nothing has been more consistant then the offensive play calling. The Tribune will always point out the offensive line or a blown coverage by the defense before they ever call out Arians. I wish some one would call him out in the media.

TRH
11-17-2010, 07:31 AM
Arians is getting called out all the time locally in the media, even enough to generate a few comments on ESPN even.
But my gut feeling is that he's not going anywhere. He'll be here next year.
Remember, Tomlin is talking "execution". The guys on the field aren't executing the plays.
My main problem w/Arians is that we're way too predictable. Other teams know what to expect, especially in the red zone. Again, if i had to guess, Arians will not only be here the rest of this year, but next year as well.

NYC_Steeler
11-17-2010, 07:43 AM
How can you possibly execute idiotic plays? When you basically telegraph what you are going to do against the opposing defense, they will line up in a formation and counter with a play they know you can't stop. We've seen this over and over again, but for some strange reason, Arians does not seem to understand the concept. What's that old saying: "those who fail to heed history are doomed to repeat it"?, or something like that. And as the great and wise Yogi Berra said: "it's like deja vu all over again". 2009 is creeping back folks - here we go again. Buckle up, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

Atlanta Dan
11-17-2010, 07:56 AM
The offense has been mediocre over the last 4 seasons - even in the 2008 season the team was 20th in points scored and 22nd in yards gained as the defense won games when the offense could not crack 20 points.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/

The only encouraging aspect I see from the mid-season execution of Jeff Reed (which I see as a mistake unless there are a lot of off the field issues over the last several months that nobody is talking about) is that it was the type of move Cowher would make.

If you did not get a head coaching job after working as a coordinator under Cowher (Capers, Haslett, Gailey, Mularkey) Cowher would usually fire the coordinator after several years (Erhardt, Sherman, Gilbride, Lewis).

Since nobody is looking to hire Arians as a HC maybe Tomlin will channel the spirit of Cowher and pull the plug - Roethlisberger is in no position to save Arians this time.

plenewken
11-17-2010, 08:09 AM
The offense has been mediocre over the last 4 seasons - even in the 2008 season the team was 20th in points scored and 22nd in yards gained as the defense won games when the offense could not crack 20 points.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/



+1. Ben's number of sacks is gonna grow real fast too. The guy couldn't throw fast enough to save his @ss. Arians must be paid on the number of sacks his QB takes.

kirklandrules
11-17-2010, 03:04 PM
I certainly won't defend Arians, especially since I provided my fair share of critism in various posts. But after this Patriots game, I do agree with Tomlin. As a team, they failed to execute ... coaches and players. The Patriots played a very bad game last weekend against Cleveland (and a lot of people thought they were in serious trouble), yet responded against the Steelers. To a man, the Steelers players have to go out and man up next week (as taught by the Pats ... whom I hate very much). And I think it all starts in the trenches .. the o-line has to blow open holes for the running game and the d-line needs to push the opposing o-line and take up multiple blockers. Hopefully, this was just a let down week and they get their act together next week. Will we see the 2008 team that face mid-season adversity and ultimately went on to win a Super Bowl? Or will we see the 2009 team that faced mid-season adversity and struggled through a 5 game losing slump?

kirklandrules
11-17-2010, 03:08 PM
2. Why the hell is Moore in for entire series and in the red zone?

Didn't they say Mendy had a sore shoulder this week and that limited his playing time?

Whodis
11-17-2010, 03:16 PM
If you did not get a head coaching job after working as a coordinator under Cowher (Capers, Haslett, Gailey, Mularkey) Cowher would usually fire the coordinator after several years (Erhardt, Sherman, Gilbride, Lewis).


Since nobody is looking to hire Arians as a HC maybe Tomlin will channel the spirit of Cowher and pull the plug - Roethlisberger is in no position to save Arians this time.

Is it just me or does Tomlin have some kind of crazy loyalty to BA? If he is fired he'll be a QB's coach for a HS football team. Roethlisberger has been disapointing also.

MACH1
11-17-2010, 03:46 PM
According to the other site it's the qb coach's fault and LeBeau's, not arians. :rolleyes:

lionslicer
11-17-2010, 04:09 PM
Didn't they say Mendy had a sore shoulder this week and that limited his playing time?

Yes his shoulder was bothering him, the same shoulder he injured his rookie year, they wanted to be cautious. Redman, though he was cleared to play the game probably still felt woozy from the concussion he had the week before which is why he wasn't in the game much at all.

Riddle_Of_Steel
11-17-2010, 04:22 PM
The offense has been mediocre over the last 4 seasons - even in the 2008 season the team was 20th in points scored and 22nd in yards gained as the defense won games when the offense could not crack 20 points.

Well, to be completey fair to Arians, I don't know how much we can blame himfor the offense's 2008 performance, considering our schedule that year included:

12 of the NFL's top 15 defenses.

Having to play the #2 defense (Ravens) 3 times that season.

Against that kind of opposition, no offense is going to look very good.

Whodis
11-17-2010, 05:04 PM
If you never watched any Steeler games to know what he does week after week. It would be tough to blame him.

Atlanta Dan
11-17-2010, 05:08 PM
Is it just me or does Tomlin have some kind of crazy loyalty to BA? If he is fired he'll be a QB's coach for a HS football team. Roethlisberger has been disapointing also.

Please edit your edit of my quote, which leaves the impression I would take Gilbride right now - not so:chuckle:

:drink:

Whodis
11-17-2010, 05:17 PM
soory dan

Atlanta Dan
11-17-2010, 05:43 PM
soory dan

Thanks - I state enough foolish opinions here on my own:chuckle:

:drink:

MDSteel15
11-17-2010, 06:02 PM
This says it all for me and how I hate Arians:

Gina tasser
November 16th, 2010 - 10:04 pm If Ben struggled to pass why not go with the running game Aryans?? Afterall thats how cleveland beat them ! Couldnt he figure that out ?

SH-Rock
11-17-2010, 06:17 PM
The Patriots Secondary, and defense as a whole, are still young and inexperienced. If you can't take advantage of that, the door is that way.

grward
11-17-2010, 06:28 PM
+1. Ben's number of sacks is gonna grow real fast too. The guy couldn't throw fast enough to save his @ss. Arians must be paid on the number of sacks his QB takes.

I agree. We can go even further with this and take a page out of Goodell's book and FINE Arians for every bad play selection. Maybe then he'll quit making stupid calls. :toofunny:

SH-Rock
11-17-2010, 06:30 PM
We should make a list of potential replacements for Arians

grward
11-17-2010, 06:39 PM
Here's a good question for everyone ... Which would you choose? 1) Another Super Bowl title guaranteeing we keep Arians for an unforeseen number of years OR 2) We endure a losing season to hopefully end Arian's career in Pittsburgh? When it's put in this light, I'd have to say I would vote for another title. And for those of you who would like to opt for both 1 and 2, that'll never happen, so don't go there.

SH-Rock
11-17-2010, 06:44 PM
Here's a good question for everyone ... Which would you choose? 1) Another Super Bowl title guaranteeing we keep Arians for an unforeseen number of years OR 2) We endure a losing season to hopefully end Arian's career in Pittsburgh? When it's put in this light, I'd have to say I would vote for another title. And for those of you who would like to opt for both 1 and 2, that'll never happen, so don't go there.

Maybe Arians would feel after having 3 rings he should take a break.

Atlanta Dan
11-17-2010, 07:21 PM
We should make a list of potential replacements for Arians

1. Joe Walton
2. Ray Sherman
3. Box of rocks

SH-Rock
11-17-2010, 07:31 PM
1. Joe Walton
2. Ray Sherman
3. Box of rocks

Ray Sherman does look pretty good. He has done great with the many wide receivers Dallas has. He has already made Dez Bryant look pro and no one can disagree with the success of Miles Austin.

Rick5895
11-18-2010, 05:08 AM
Didn't they say Mendy had a sore shoulder this week and that limited his playing time?
They did, but I'm not just referring to the Pats game, this seems to be a constant with the team.

NYC_Steeler
11-18-2010, 08:57 AM
1. Joe Walton
2. Ray Sherman
3. Box of rocks

My vote is for # 3 - it'll be an improvement.:chuckle: