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mesaSteeler
11-17-2010, 07:17 AM
Tomlin takes new approach to Steelers' adversity

By John Harris
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, November 17, 2010
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/print_709648.html

After his team was humbled in its biggest game of the season on national television, Steelers coach Mike Tomlin didn't revisit history and promise lineup changes or make bold proclamations.

Tomlin kept his message simple and direct following Sunday's 39-26 loss to the New England Patriots at Heinz Field. Because there was plenty of blame to go around, Tomlin pointed the finger at everyone, including himself.

"They made more consistent plays, more significant plays," Tomlin said of the Patriots, who amassed 453 yards of total offense and sacked quarterback Ben Roethlisberger five times. "We've got to get better."

A year ago, following a stunning loss to Oakland, also at Heinz Field, that dropped the Steelers record to 6-6, Tomlin vowed to shake up his defense the next game against Cleveland.

Tomlin's threats had little effect on his players, and the starting lineup remained intact. If anything, the Steelers played their worst game of the season in a 13-6 loss to the Browns.

The past year has been a learning experience for Tomlin, who appears to have a better understanding how to publicly channel his emotions following a loss, especially when the Steelers perform badly.

Tomlin was noncommittal following the setback to New England, in which he arguably set a record for brevity with his postgame comments.

"We need to make necessary corrections and be better for it when given an opportunity (that) we can fight and put ourselves in position to play in this kind of game again," said Tomlin, who limited his criticism to the team rather than individuals. "Hopefully, we'll learn from this."

What little Tomlin did say to the media resonated with his players, who didn't need their coach to tell them how poorly they played against the Patriots.

"It's incredibly humbling. We just didn't put a good team effort together," safety Troy Polamalu said. "There's a lot to learn from this game, that's for sure. We'll see if we're a championship-caliber team how we respond to this.

"We didn't put a good team effort together. It seems like one part of our team is doing well at one time. We've got to play on all pistons to beat a team as good as New England."

Following a 20-17 overtime loss at Baltimore last November, Tomlin promised his team would "unleash hell" the following week against Oakland. After the Steelers stumbled against Oakland, some of the Raiders said Tomlin's pregame prediction motivated them.

This year, Tomlin is saving any motivation for his own players.

"We've got to bounce back fast," said wide receiver Hines Ward, who suffered a concussion against New England but expects to play against Oakland this Sunday at Heinz Field. "Oakland's a pretty good team. Last year they beat us. That's fresh on a lot of guys' minds."

John Harris can be reached at jharris@tribweb.com or 412-481-5432.

TRH
11-17-2010, 08:34 AM
Um.............How on earth is that taking a new approach????

Sounds like the same old Tomlin rhetoric and non-adjustments to me....

NYC_Steeler
11-17-2010, 08:38 AM
This is a guy who is completely clueless. He was quickly praised as a genius when he won SBXLIII so quickly - albeit with the team Bill Cowher put together for the most part (which was never mentioned) and now we are seeing how truly inept this guy is. Clueless, absolutely clueless.

ZoneBlitzer
11-17-2010, 10:30 AM
This is a guy who is completely clueless. He was quickly praised as a genius when he won SBXLIII so quickly - albeit with the team Bill Cowher put together for the most part (which was never mentioned) and now we are seeing how truly inept this guy is. Clueless, absolutely clueless.

I know. It's scary. I think he Switzered himself to a SB. I was impressed with him earlier in the year though. He came with fire in his belly. It was great to see him all juiced up on the sideline. The team played with a nasty edge as well. Then Ben came back and all of that has changed. I see a more subdued coach who's trying to take an all business approach. He looked like he was in a coma the other night against the Pats. I think now, with all the bloody injuries, he's got to really rally the troops and push them over the edge. He's got to lift up their spirits and instill the will in them to win no matter who's in the game. Outwardly though, he appears to want to go with the standard is the standard approach. Well, no it isn't. There's a lack of depth on this team in certain parts. And that standard is below standard. They HAVE to adjust. It is not business as usual.

plenewken
11-17-2010, 10:41 AM
This is a guy who is completely clueless. He was quickly praised as a genius when he won SBXLIII so quickly - albeit with the team Bill Cowher put together for the most part (which was never mentioned) and now we are seeing how truly inept this guy is. Clueless, absolutely clueless.

He's clueless but boy, can he talk! He's much more impressive with a microphone than with a playbook, that's for sure. Remember his famous "unleashing hell"?

How many times has he been outcoached? I stopped counting last year.

Hayeksheroes
11-17-2010, 11:23 AM
If Dick Lebeau retires, Tomlin is done. I like Tomlin, but he's like TO. He could be great if he'd start using his head instead of his mouth.

lionslicer
11-17-2010, 11:30 AM
This is a guy who is completely clueless. He was quickly praised as a genius when he won SBXLIII so quickly - albeit with the team Bill Cowher put together for the most part (which was never mentioned) and now we are seeing how truly inept this guy is. Clueless, absolutely clueless.

I still give him some credit for the superbowl win just because of the interception return because he was pretty much the only guy on the coaching staff who realized that when someone has an interception, defensive players should learn to block... Should show you how overrated the coaching staff really is, when not even LeBeau is teaching the defense this.

Though he's still clueless, he's really just a figure who preaches and motivates, he has no real ideas that help the team and in some press conferences, when asked about play calling he seems completely clueless.

But I'd pick him any day over some of the half-witted coaches in this league..

MaidenIndiana
11-17-2010, 12:30 PM
For all the people bitching about Tomlin being our head coach I've got a name for you as a replcement...Wade Philips! Or may be at the end of the year we'll be able to get Marvin Lewis instead, pretty sure he'll be available

MACH1
11-17-2010, 12:59 PM
It's time to unleash hell

SteelerEmpire
11-17-2010, 01:34 PM
This is a guy who is completely clueless. He was quickly praised as a genius when he won SBXLIII so quickly - albeit with the team Bill Cowher put together for the most part (which was never mentioned) and now we are seeing how truly inept this guy is. Clueless, absolutely clueless.

I think its still too early to tell... We said that "a lot" about Cowher before he won his first SB. But, the ball is def. in his (Tomlin's) court. Lets see how he hits it back...

WisconsinSteelerMan
11-17-2010, 02:20 PM
I am continually amazed at this board and at my fellow rabid Steeler's Fans when our team faces adversity. I cannot believe how quick we are to jump to the "Fire Tomlin" crap and "Tomlin's clueless" crap. Come on guys! You want clueless, there is plenty of clueless around the league. Phillips and Childress come to mind immediately.

The fact is that Tomlin has the team he has now with the injuries. He is trying to not give bulletin board material to the other team and trying to answer some pretty indefensible questions about some very inept play by the players we had in the game. Talk is cheap.... Walk is EXPENSIVE...

This team has an overall WINNING record and a strong winning record under Tomlin, so I would say that he must have SOMETHING going for him.

Besides... remember who owns our team??? The ROONEY'S! They won't fire Tomlin...just ain't gonna happen! Remember Cowher when the team had back-to-back losing years??

Sheesh!

Mike in La Crosse, WI

steeltheone
11-17-2010, 02:48 PM
This is a guy who is completely clueless. He was quickly praised as a genius when he won SBXLIII so quickly - albeit with the team Bill Cowher put together for the most part (which was never mentioned) and now we are seeing how truly inept this guy is. Clueless, absolutely clueless.

Bill Cowher put togather for the most part? This is still the same team Cowher had when he left. Woodley...timmons...pouncey and Wallace are really the only difference.

steelerjim58
11-17-2010, 04:09 PM
If I thought Tomlin was somehow responsible for all of the injuries, if I thought he was reponsible for the draft picks { the refusal by the front office to address the putrid o-line], then maybe I would be willing to put all the blame on his shoulders. Now, if he is responsible in some way for Arians still being the oc, then he is imo showing poor judgment. But to call him clueless, stupid or any of the other adjectives I have read on these forums I don't agree. The team just has to many holes that when they are exploited by a good team they can look pretty pathetic. I believe that a coach only looks as good as his players make him look. As much as I hate to say it, I think New England is the only situation where coaching has been the deciding factor in how well the team has done.

Whodis
11-17-2010, 04:23 PM
One thing I can say about Tomlin. Nobody can adjust like he does. The way this team can come out in the second half after getting their buts kicked, leaves me know doubt Oakland better trash the game tapes from the Pats game!

tube517
11-17-2010, 06:12 PM
At this juncture, ummm...if you will, the standard is the standard,uhhh, there will be a lot of football to be played by big men on blades of grass, umm if you will. Ummm, It's a war of attrition and the most violent team wins. Uhhhh, we accept that, um, and it is what it is, thus far. The expectation level is very high, um, as we try to make splash plays without worrying, ummmm about style points.


His new approach will be to put the last sentence (above) of the previous press conference at the beginning of the next press conference.

fer522
11-17-2010, 06:37 PM
:blah::poop: :blah::poop:

SteelCityMom
11-17-2010, 06:53 PM
At this juncture, if you will, the standard is the standard, there will be a lot of football to be played by big men on blades of grass, if you will. It's a war of attrition and the most violent team wins. We accept that and it is what it is, thus far. The expectation level is very high as we try to make splash plays without worrying about style points.


His new approach will be to put the last sentence (above) of the previous press conference at the beginning of the next press conference.


There's no way Tomlin would say that...there aren't enough uhhh's or ummm's. :chuckle:

tube517
11-17-2010, 06:56 PM
Fixed it.

:chuckle:

There's no way Tomlin would say that...there aren't enough uhhh's or ummm's. :chuckle:

Fire Haley
11-17-2010, 07:22 PM
I would have no problem with Tomlin's coaching if he would just fire Arians.

Why he keeps that numbnut is beyond me.

Wallace108
11-17-2010, 07:39 PM
It's time to unleash hell

But it's not December yet. :noidea:

Wallace108
11-17-2010, 08:01 PM
I am continually amazed at this board and at my fellow rabid Steeler's Fans when our team faces adversity. I cannot believe how quick we are to jump to the "Fire Tomlin" crap and "Tomlin's clueless" crap. Come on guys! You want clueless, there is plenty of clueless around the league. Phillips and Childress come to mind immediately.

The fact is that Tomlin has the team he has now with the injuries. He is trying to not give bulletin board material to the other team and trying to answer some pretty indefensible questions about some very inept play by the players we had in the game. Talk is cheap.... Walk is EXPENSIVE...

This team has an overall WINNING record and a strong winning record under Tomlin, so I would say that he must have SOMETHING going for him.

Besides... remember who owns our team??? The ROONEY'S! They won't fire Tomlin...just ain't gonna happen! Remember Cowher when the team had back-to-back losing years??

Sheesh!

Mike in La Crosse, WI

Good post. I guess when you win as much as we have for as long as we have, you expect to win EVERY game. You know you won't win every game, but you expect to. And when you don't, you moan and groan (myself included).

I agree with most of what you said, but I'm not sure I agree entirely with the injuries part. When we played the Saints, they had a backup and I believe a waterboy playing corners, and they still shut us down. The Patriots have a young, inexperienced defense and they pretty much manhandled us until garbage time.

Good coaching, to some degree, can overcome injuries. Our O-line is mediocre at best when it's healthy. Right now, it's horrible. So why are we running so many plays that take time to develop, knowing that the line can't protect? That falls on the coaches. Everybody knows that the way to shut down the Patriots offense is to pressure Brady, but we drop into zone coverage. Again, that falls on the coaches.

When a team is less than 100 percent, there's no room for error for the coaches. With our coaching staff, I'm seeing a lot of errors. And it all starts at the top, with Tomlin.

roopdawg
11-17-2010, 08:42 PM
I agree! Tomlin's BS rhetoric about turning over stones and getting back in the lab:blah: is complete crap. Did the Browns not give us a blueprint?? I like living in New England, but being a Steeler fan right now is absolutely embarrassing!! Humble pie for dessert tastes awful!! :banging:Nuff said!!

Steeler4life1972
11-17-2010, 08:54 PM
Let's look at a complete season and body of work to grade our team. I bitch and moan as much as the next guy but lets see how we can recover, then when the season is over we can grade them.

tube517
11-17-2010, 11:55 PM
Eh, I personally don't suscribe to that Hocus Pocus.

zulater
11-18-2010, 12:09 AM
I've got an idea. Since tomlin starts every season 6-2, let's let him start every season. And since Cowher still doesn't seem to be totally commited to coming back to coaching full time, and when he did coach his teams always played best after November....

if only

:wink02:

SteeleReign
11-18-2010, 09:41 AM
At this juncture, ummm...if you will, the standard is the standard,uhhh, there will be a lot of football to be played by big men on blades of grass, umm if you will. Ummm, It's a war of attrition and the most violent team wins. Uhhhh, we accept that, um, and it is what it is, thus far. The expectation level is very high, um, as we try to make splash plays without worrying, ummmm about style points.


His new approach will be to put the last sentence (above) of the previous press conference at the beginning of the next press conference.

:rofl::applaudit: This is SPOT ON - HILARIOUS!!!!

SteeleReign
11-18-2010, 09:45 AM
Good post. I guess when you win as much as we have for as long as we have, you expect to win EVERY game. You know you won't win every game, but you expect to. And when you don't, you moan and groan (myself included).

I agree with most of what you said, but I'm not sure I agree entirely with the injuries part. When we played the Saints, they had a backup and I believe a waterboy playing corners, and they still shut us down. The Patriots have a young, inexperienced defense and they pretty much manhandled us until garbage time.

Good coaching, to some degree, can overcome injuries. Our O-line is mediocre at best when it's healthy. Right now, it's horrible. So why are we running so many plays that take time to develop, knowing that the line can't protect? That falls on the coaches. Everybody knows that the way to shut down the Patriots offense is to pressure Brady, but we drop into zone coverage. Again, that falls on the coaches.

When a team is less than 100 percent, there's no room for error for the coaches. With our coaching staff, I'm seeing a lot of errors. And it all starts at the top, with Tomlin.

This IS the point. Our coaches aren't getting the job done, either because they are inept or are too bull-headed to realize that they may need to adapt to overcome. I suspect it's the latter.

TRH
11-18-2010, 12:29 PM
At this juncture, ummm...if you will, the standard is the standard,uhhh, there will be a lot of football to be played by big men on blades of grass, umm if you will. Ummm, It's a war of attrition and the most violent team wins. Uhhhh, we accept that, um, and it is what it is, thus far. The expectation level is very high, um, as we try to make splash plays without worrying, ummmm about style points.


His new approach will be to put the last sentence (above) of the previous press conference at the beginning of the next press conference.

haha. funny. You just forgot the part where he says "umm...we're not going to change anything we're doing......"