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BB2W
04-24-2005, 06:55 PM
By BB2W

1. Heath Miller TE Virginia 6'5" 260
Fantastic hands, he makes every catch and has the range to really help his quarterback out. Runs well and knows how to get open. A complete tight end, does everything you could ask of him, including block. Gets open between 10 and 20 yards downfield with ease. Plows over DBs trying to tackle him one-on-one. Great combination of size and speed for the TE position. Catches everything thrown near him. Great run blocker- sticks with his blocks and moves well to the second level to help spring a big run. The number 1 Tight-end in the country. 3 year statistics of nearly 140 receptions, 1600 yards and 20 TDs (all ACC records)Was nearly unstoppable against FSU this year with 9 catches for 110 yards.

2. Bryant McFadden CB Florida State 5'11" 195
An excellent athlete...Has good size...Has a lot of experience...Is a good tackler...Hasn't maxed out yet and seems to get better and improve with each passing season. Physically he has the tools to make it at the next level...Could be a surprise if a team can get him to play up to his potential. "He's a guy that plays a tough, physical game," Perry said. "He's the type of corner that we look for in the type of system that we play. He's going to cover, he's going to tackle and he plays with good technique. He's a sound football player."

3.Trai Essex OT/OG Northwestern 6'4" 325
A three-year starter for the Wildcats, Essex is very quick for an interior lineman. He moves and slides well and at times plays with a mean streak. The scouting report says Essex is a long-range prospect whose quickness and raw athletic ability makes his a intriguing player. Extremely quick feet...Has a burst when getting into his blocks in the running game...Could move inside to guard at the next level...Still has loads of upside.

4. Fred Gibson WR Georgia 6'4" 200
A big wide receiver with incredible break away speed. Excellent pure athletic ability...Tall with a lanky frame and long arms...Good ball skills...plays faster than he times...Explosive and a big play waiting to happen...has a lot of potential. Also played basketball for the Bulldogs...Has all the talent in the world...Could develop into a star at the next level. Wonderful athlete with awesome leaping ability. Very agile player has good hand eye coordination and balance. Solid hands and is an improving route runner as well. Good size at 6-4 196 and is a receiver that can go get the ball

5. Rian Wallace LB Temple 6'4" 245
This guy is crazy! Wallace played inside linebacker for the Owls and was all-Big East in 2004. But he also was suspended for their game against Pitt because he was involved in a fight in his own locker room. Has great size...Strong and tough...Has good speed and the quickness to make plays sideline-to-sideline...Has a fiery demeanor on the field...Very instinctive.. Motor never stops...A playmaker and very productive...Versatile and could project to either outside or middle linebacker at the next level. His nickname is "Goo"...Unheralded player who didn't get the attention he deserves because he played for a bad team his entire career...One of the best prospects Temple has produced in a long time.

6. Uikelotu "Chris" Kemoeatu OG Utah 6'4" 345
Kemoeatu is a good athlete with above-average quickness, agility and body control for a player his size. He played left offensive guard during his first two years before shifting to the right side. He has natural strength and mass and can simply decleat defenders that get in his way, using his size with great effectiveness to gain advantage. Kemoeatu is not a typical big man who will lean into a defender and occupy space. He comes off the snap at a good pad level and shows very good knee bend and hip flexibility, considering the frame he is carrying. This guy is a mean blocker, and has been accused of being a dirty player. He was ejected from two games (San Diego State, Nevada-Las Vegas), resulting in a one-game suspension and was ordered to seek anger management counseling from head coach Urban Meyer, which was endorsed by the Mountain West Conference office.

7a. Shaun Nua DE BYU 6'5" 275
Shaun Nua of BYU played extremely well at Defensive End. His speed pass rush made it difficult for the East QB?s to get into a rhythm with their receivers. Nua?s speed rush from the outside enabled the interior defensive lineman to get into passing lanes and cause problems for the offensive line. Nua also played Tight End where he showed NFL scouts his offensive capabilities. At 6?5 270, Nua playing at Tight End could be a definite asset to any NFL team.

7b. Noah Herron RB/FB Northwestern 5'11" 225
Good-sized ballcarrier with solid running intangibles. Keeps driving forward displaying strength in his lower body and a punishing runner between tackles who picks up yardage off initial contact. Works to finish runs and always giving top effort. Also patient, waits for blocks to develop and immediately finds the running lanes. Solid receiver out of the backfield, extending his hands to catch the ball away from his frame. Lacks speed and agility around the corner. Not an elusive runner who can immediately change direction or make defenders miss as a ballcarrier or pass catcher, Herron's ultimate NFL position could be at fullback. Has potential as a triple-threat player, yet must quickly improve all of his blocking skills as well as intensity.

BB2W's draft garde: B-

BB2W
04-24-2005, 07:23 PM
I think C&C did pretty well, alot of players we targeted were taken just a few spots before us. Things could have turned out differently, but I am happy. They got who they could and addressed all the areas of concern.

Prosdo
04-24-2005, 08:32 PM
Very nice review BigBen2Ward. I think they did well this draft. Sure there were other decisions or roads we could have taken, but we picked good players in areas we needed. I am very excited to see how all this guys will play out, but mostly Heath Miller, Fred Gibson, and Bryant McFadden. Heath Miller if used to his fullest ability should add something new to the offense. Fred Gibson will add a tall fast WR to the mix which we lost when Plax left. Bryant McFadden looks like a very aggresive cornerback who looks like he could bring a good bit to the table. Overall I'm very happy with this draft.

clevestinks
04-24-2005, 09:08 PM
BigBen2Ward

great job! I agree with the B- 1st two picks I have NO problem with. Then 3 maybe a little??? But I like 4 alot, the rest we`ll see

Prosdo
04-24-2005, 09:24 PM
The third pick was a little surprising to me. I guess I expected them to take a WR there.

HinesWard4Life8682
04-24-2005, 10:43 PM
i think they did great considering the 30th pick we did better than teams like the chiefs who had top 20 picks

BB2W
04-24-2005, 11:57 PM
We were able to get a player who was rated the best at his postition with the 30th pick.
When you think about it there is only 12 players (minus K,P), that can say they are ranked #1. That is a steal at pick #30........

They usually rank NCAA players by general positions.
QB, RB, WR, TE, T, G, C, DE, DT, LB, S, CB

ironcitychef
04-25-2005, 01:47 AM
The good:
1)Never really reached for a player. Never jumped the gun, never packaged up picks to move up, just took what was available
2)Addressed depth. Dallas was defense heavy. We spread it all around TE, CB, OL, WR, LB, OL, DL, FB. That helps.
3)IF those eight don't pan out at current position, most have some chance to move into other roles. Takle/guard DE or massive TE, etc. If you can play, we can find you a spot
Solid but not front page fantastic so I agree but say B+, just cause we were patient. I thought instead of getting two from Northwestern we should try to move and get Canty, but we just waited. Nice job C&C.
Other notes:
1)Trai Essex...gotta wonder about a third round pick that makes people look for bio sheets and pics and highlight video. Nothing big, but this pick caused some hicccups.
2)It wasnt Oshiomogho Atogwe, but Uikelotu Kemoeatu is another in fun gameday name for us as of late. No wonder Myron is getting tired. After Fu, Troy, Ben and now "Chris" our broadcast team is just hoping Cowher doesn't have a trick play where after a Int by Troy, Ben passes to eligible "Chris".

clevestinks
04-25-2005, 06:31 AM
Essex might have been a reach, we could have waited at least one more round, I would think

geran42o
04-25-2005, 07:30 AM
The good:
1)Never really reached for a player. Never jumped the gun, never packaged up picks to move up, just took what was available
2)Addressed depth. Dallas was defense heavy. We spread it all around TE, CB, OL, WR, LB, OL, DL, FB. That helps.
3)IF those eight don't pan out at current position, most have some chance to move into other roles. Takle/guard DE or massive TE, etc. If you can play, we can find you a spot
Solid but not front page fantastic so I agree but say B+, just cause we were patient. I thought instead of getting two from Northwestern we should try to move and get Canty, but we just waited. Nice job C&C.
Other notes:
1)Trai Essex...gotta wonder about a third round pick that makes people look for bio sheets and pics and highlight video. Nothing big, but this pick caused some hicccups.
2)It wasnt Oshiomogho Atogwe, but Uikelotu Kemoeatu is another in fun gameday name for us as of late. No wonder Myron is getting tired. After Fu, Troy, Ben and now "Chris" our broadcast team is just hoping Cowher doesn't have a trick play where after a Int by Troy, Ben passes to eligible "Chris". I agree with you here ICC. I graded it a little higher though, High B+ , A-. Overall I think we did pretty well considering that we didn't really need anyone, most are for depth(except for maybe Miller and McFadden)

Ironman
04-25-2005, 12:42 PM
Northwestern offensive lineman Trai Essex flashes good initial pop on the field, but is sloppy. His technique is so bad that he's back problems waiting to happen. The only saving grace is that the Steelers have offensive line coach Russ Grimm to groom him. Essex graded as a late-round pick around the league.

Temple linebacker Rian Wallace is one of the worst point of attack players that I've ever evaluated on film through the years.

Brian DeLucia, OURLADS

I love this draft but hate the same two picks as this guy from Ourlads. I can deal with the throwaway 5th rounder, but the 3rd round on Essex stings.

clevestinks
04-25-2005, 03:03 PM
Ironman is right, Essex I don`t know, I`m even wonderng about Fred Gibson, word is his hands suck, I mean you can teach a player alot of things but your hands are your hands, I`ve played enough football to know you can show him a few things but he`s played major college football, if he is having problems holding on, then I don`t know?

HinesWard4Life8682
04-25-2005, 04:44 PM
yeah the essex pick is a dumb pick

better available picks: Scott Young (OG), Elton Brown, Chris Komeoatu (we were still able to get him) and about 5 others.

BB2W
04-25-2005, 04:49 PM
I am sure if you asked Grimm........He would have nothing but good thing to say about Essex. I value our coaches opinions more than Brian Delucia. However, in Rian Wallace's video, he does look ugly when he Tackles.........I was waiting for a big hit, but they were just sloppy arm tackles or trips.


As far as Fred Gibson........It is true, he does not have the best hands. It is not like he has stone hands........it is more like butterfingers. He has got good hands in the sense that he will make great catches, amazing achrobatic catches, one-handers. I think sometimes he loses focus, or hears footsteps, or maybe just chokes and drops the ball....... Unfortunately it has often been in big games or on a big play.

I can live with a reciever who does not have "Wardlike" hands. Plax did not have the best hands. Infact, you will see that Fred Gibson is more coordinated than Plax(Gibson played BB for Georgia)and is an all-around athelete, and probably has better hands than Plax. He had a higher vertical, and they ran the about the same in the 40 yard dash. Gibson was a little bit faster and is said to run much faster on the field than he times. All we need Gibson to do is "go deep" he will catch a few of those, and the rest of the time he will open it up for Ward underneath.

clevestinks
04-25-2005, 05:29 PM
You`ll never hear me say that Plax had great hands, and he was a 1st rounder so I guess a 4th we will wait and see

BB2W
04-27-2005, 01:54 PM
Quotes from Gibson's coaches at Georgia

"They got a steal ... they stole him on the fourth round," Harrick said of the Steelers. "When they put him back to run kickoffs, there's no one better. And down the field, no one can stop him. He's similar to Randy Moss. He can run, he can jump and he can catch.

"He has a knack to adjust to the deep ball and accelerate to the deep ball," said John Eason, Gibson's receivers coach at Georgia. "Deep balls, balls over his head, balls to the outside shoulder, he'll track the ball. He has great hand-eye coordination."

"He was the quickest guy I ever coached, maybe tied with Tyus Edney," Harrick, the former Georgia basketball coach, said yesterday from his home in Rancho Santa Margarita, Calif. "But Ty would have to take two steps to Fred's one."

"Fred probably could have played NBA basketball if he didn't opt to play football," Harrick said. "He's just spectacular at running and jumping. It's hard for me to believe there's a better athlete in the draft than Fred Gibson."

The Steelers selected Gibson (6 feet 4, 202 pounds) with the 131st overall pick because they were looking to increase their depth at wide receiver. But they also got a player who is similar in stature to Plaxico Burress, who left in free agency, though Burress is nearly 30 pounds heavier.

Gibson is faster, has a higher vertical, and is better at gaining yards after the catch than Burress.

clevestinks
04-27-2005, 02:57 PM
Lets hold Harrick to that statement< we`ll tar and feather him if he is a flop. If he is right about Gibson, and Miller is healthy, look out, I`ll take Big Ben in the fantasy draft

ironcitychef
04-27-2005, 04:00 PM
I saw this on NFL.com, thought it was great...
Cincinnati: ESPN commentators praised Bengals' first-round pick David Pollack for having a 36-inch vertical jump (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/pollack_david#agility) despite weighing 261 pounds. Yours truly is 52 years old, and let's just say carries a significant fraction of Pollack's weight; the other day I did a 31-inch vertical jump. Shouldn't an NFL first draft choice jump substantially higher than a 52-year-old columnist?
Yeah, I'm not worried about his hands, just as long as they are better than mine. Oh yeah, and if you catch it, don't drop it/spike it until after the whistle.

clevestinks
04-27-2005, 04:56 PM
NFL.COm

Pittsburgh Steelers
Best pick: Second-round pick Bryant McFadden will be a starter at some point this year. He is a talented cover player who will be perfect for the Steelers defense.

Questionable move: Once again, it's tough to find a questionable move by a good-drafting team. Some may think taking Heath Miller in the first is risky with him coming off a hernia injury, but he's a player.

Steal: Fred Gibson was considered a potential first-round pick a couple of years ago. Getting him in the fourth round is a nice move for the Steelers.

Overall grade: B They had a solid, uneventful draft. That's what the Steelers do. They know how to find players.

BB2W
05-01-2005, 01:52 AM
Gil Brandt the former vice president of player personnel for Dallas Cowboys really likes the Steelers draft.......

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/sports/steelerslive/s_329090.html

clevestinks
05-01-2005, 10:15 AM
Gil Brandt seems to like all our picks, is he on the payroll or something?

ironcitychef
05-01-2005, 10:45 AM
I do too. I think we got some guys with high floors and the potential to have a ceiling higher than where they were drafted.

BB2W
05-01-2005, 03:23 PM
Draft Grades:

Football's Future 2005 Draft Grades:

Pittsburgh Steelers: B+
--The Steelers had an excellent draft. They nabbed the drafts top tight end at the end of the first round in Heath Miller. Bryant McFadden was a nice pick in the second, especially considering some corners that went ahead of him only moved up because of their 40 times. They also got a great start on Day Two by grabbing Day One talents in WR Fred Gibson and LB Rian Wallace.
Keep an eye on: Rian Wallace, LB, Temple


Walters Football site:

Pittsburgh Steelers: A
--The Steelers drafted TE Heath Miller, who becomes a very dangerous weapon for Ben Roethlisberger. Their second-round choice was used on cornerback Bryant McFadden. Pittsburgh also had a few solid second-day selections like: WR Fred Gibson, OLB Rian Wallace and G Chris Kemoeatu, all of whom were third-round prospects.


NFL Football Betting:

Pittsburgh Steelers: B+
--The Steelers benefited from the Jolley trade to New York and picked up the best tight end in the draft, Health Miller. Miller is touted to have the best hands in the draft. He's a converted quarterback, which would mean every single person starting on the offensive side of the ball in Steeler land was once a QB. Crazy! Seriously though, Miller's a good pick, giving young buck Roethlisberger a safety option. McFadden is a fast and confident corner who can jump in and help right away. He's good in coverage and aggressive in the run. He'll smack you. Essex is a project, but some think he can turn into a top flight left tackle, and the Steelers seem to find good players with lots of potential.


Dallas News:

Pittsburgh Steelers: B
--TE Heath Miller adds a new dimension to the offense, while CB Bryant McFadden, WR Fred Gibson, and G Chris Kemoeatu add depth at paper-thin positions. Trai Essex supposedly has the quickest feet of any linemen in the draft, but that's all he is: a big guy with quick feet, not a great blocker. Bill Cowher and his staff must see something the scouts don't. Gibson, who also played basketball at Georgia, won a slam-dunk contest when he was in high school. There are some odd choices here, but Miller could be the player that pushes the Steelers over the top, while McFadden, Gibson and Kemoeatu fill real needs.

clevestinks
05-01-2005, 03:35 PM
Big Ben doing your homework A+ on this test

BlitzburghRockCity
05-02-2005, 12:25 AM
Bryant McFadden was a nice pick in the second, especially considering some corners that went ahead of him only moved up because of their 40 times.

That definately gives me even more hope that he can be a real force for us. We should definately be set in our nickel and dime packages this year!

HinesWard4Life8682
05-02-2005, 04:25 PM
fabian washington is gonna be a bust, phillip buchannon for example, all speed, horrible tackling, dumb as hell and weak.

first rounder cuz of his speed, tell me what he did.

BB2W
05-02-2005, 04:58 PM
HinesWard4Life8682,
fabian washington is gonna be a bust, phillip buchannon for example, all speed, horrible tackling, dumb as hell and weak. first rounder cuz of his speed, tell me what he did.
Whatha.......dude are you bi-polar or what?
Before the draft Fabian Washington was who you wanted. You stated it multiple times. Do you know what you are talking about or do you just go around typing BS.......This is a quote from April 5th.

pretend u select the first round pick in the draft this year, who do u draft? (make it realistic with the 30th pick, dont pick like Braylon Edwards or something)Personally i pick either Matt Jones (if available), Shaun cody or Fabian Washington
You have no credibility.......
I am confused.

HinesWard4Life8682
05-02-2005, 05:02 PM
for the 30th pick not 20th and our need is a CB, oakland's isnt.

and i read up some more on fabian cuz i posted that a long time ago

HinesWard4Life8682
05-02-2005, 05:03 PM
This is a quote from April 5th.

whats the date today.... may 2nd

BB2W
05-02-2005, 11:16 PM
I was just givin you a hard time.......

HinesWard4Life8682
05-03-2005, 05:45 PM
uhhhh.... why?

tootalltoscore
05-03-2005, 06:05 PM
Below are the ratings from The Huddle Report, they have an outstanding record over the last 5 years. I think it shows just how well the Steelers drafted this year with the one exception of our 3rd Round pick.

My own comment is that if C & C really saw something that noone else has, then i will give them the benefit of the doubt on this guy, because overall they have had an excellent draft this year.

You guys know more than I do about football, I ask you this though is it at all feasible that Essex could be converted to a DE, with his speed and size he could be anything, yes/no??

Quote
Draft Management Grades (DMG) show how well a team manages the draft. These grades measure whether each team got proper value for their picks on draft day. It is not intended to be a projection of their success in the NFL. The value for each pick is based on the pick number minus the rank of the player selected as he appears on our final draft board. This value is then weighted depending on pick number.
Talent Acquisition Grades (TAG) are an indication of how well the team acquired talent in the draft. This is based on THR's talent board ranking of the prospects. Talent Acquisition Grades represent the potential NFL success of the players selected. In contrast to the Draft Management Grades (where pick value is emphasized), these grades focus on the player's potential value.



STEELERS OVERALL DMG TAG
A A A
5.21 5.00
PICK RANK TBR POS PLAYER COLLEGE
30 21 1 TE Heath Miller Virginia
62 47 2 CB Bryant McFadden Florida St
93 173 5 OT Trai Essex Northwestern
131 82 3 WR Fred Gibson Georgia
166 181 2 LB Rian Wallace Temple
204 90 2 OG Chris Kemoeatu Utah
228 309 FA DE Shaun Nua BYU
244 239 5 RB Noah Herron Northwestern

clevestinks
05-03-2005, 07:19 PM
totall I hope your right! and the quicker they catch on the better.

Detroit or Bust.