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tony hipchest
12-09-2010, 09:31 PM
ive been trying to catch his highlights and follow his stats all year. did anyone see his 60 yd return or the 17 yard reverse he had on offense vs the bears last weekend? hes getting BETTER!

as predicted, he looks to be a shoo-in for the pro bowl as return specialist.

he leads the league in total return yards (2nd in KO and 5th in PR). he also leads the league with 29+ yds/KO return.

sure he only has 1 TD but nobody but 1 player has more than 2.

so what about all those other high dollar/ high draft pick jitterbug return specialists?

need i remind you....

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im happy with sanders and brown, but grow increasingly pissed off that we kept thad gibson only to dump him, and knee jerked on the signing of battle and el.

hindsight will show we wasted money on 2 wr's to piss away a pro bowl special teamer. :doh:

mesaSteeler
12-09-2010, 09:42 PM
Hindsight is 20-20 Tony.

tony hipchest
12-09-2010, 10:41 PM
yeah, i know. it just sucks when foresight is so crystal clear. last year logan was 3rd in the league in KO returns, the steelers single season record setter, and if it werent for josh cribbs, woulda been in the pro bowl for the AFC.

it took 2 draft picks (one was a 3rd) and 2 other veterans at a million dollars apiece, to help replace what we missed by dumping him = 4 roster spots.

i very rarely admit our FO makes a gross blunder, but this certainly seems to be one. tomlin allowed the new ST coach bring over 1 of his toys from SF (just like kugler got to bring over scott). the re-signing of el was excellent on paper, and the rooneys and colbert were sure of what they were getting.

in the meantime, the rookie UDFA from the canadian league was given the boot like a midget red headed stepchild.

the great thing is that it really hasnt hurt us one bit. it was just a waste of some great talent, highlight reel plays, and a few more years of an additional steeler making the pro-bowl.

sharkweek
12-09-2010, 11:31 PM
Hindsight is 20-20 Tony.

100% agreed

when considering his size, play style, and his age, he just wasn't worth the risk of any kind of longer term investment. I am glad he is finding fast success somewhere, because I don't see him lasting long.

I think it'd be a totally different story if we hadn't lost Holmes but that kind of thing happens, its too bad Logan was a one trick pony for us or else it might have been easier to keep him.

At least he's not on another AFC or especially AFC North team, and is basically on a non contending NFC team, so that makes it that much easier to root for him ;)

tony hipchest
12-10-2010, 12:03 AM
when considering his size, play style, and his age, he just wasn't worth the risk of any kind of longer term investment.

:huh:

i guess i just look at things from a FO, mathematical, salary cap mgmt vs. production point of view.

he was a minimum wage ($360,000) rookie who didnt even cost a draft pick, yet he is out performing drafted players who are making millions per year.

in other words, he was absolutely no risk whatsoever.

perhaps im just a fan of value. with a salary cap of $128,000,000 last year he accounted for less than 0.3%

when it comes to "bang for your buck", he's right up there with peyton hillis.

but i agree.... with him on the lions its real easy to root for him (much like barry sanders was).

if anyone is casting pro bowl votes be sure to cast 1 for him (do the steelers scouting dept proud). :tt02:

...and john kuhn.

brett favre :helmet:

sharkweek
12-10-2010, 05:16 AM
Sure, his salary makes him an absolute bargain, but I'm talking about a roster spot, we can only dress so many guys, and if all he was doing was returning kicks without directly influencing the outcome of games in our favor we couldn't afford to have him taking up a spot.

finesward
12-10-2010, 06:39 AM
Hindsight is 20-20 Tony.


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Atlanta Dan
12-10-2010, 07:45 AM
It's a numbers game

With regard to Logan, he cannot play WR and I watched him get blown up on kick coverage in 2009 since he is the size of a ninth grader - burning a roster spot for him apparently was detemined to be a failed one year experiment as the Steelers committed to improving kick coverage

Randle El clearly has lost his fastball, but if the Steelers are holding on to a small lead late in a game the coaches apparently will feel a lot better with El fielding punts than having Brown or Sanders as returners in that circumstance. El was signed last spring because the Steelers could not count on both Sanders and Brown developing and he stays now so we do not have a Ricardo Coclough moment fieldng punts late in a game (for those who do not recall, Cowher's insistence on attempting to make Coclough a punt returner resulted in a fumble that lost a game with the Bengals early in the 2006 season and went a long way to blowing up that lost season).

As for Gibson, the coaches decided some non-starter had to go. The coaches apparently decided Sylvester and Worlds are the keepers at LB from from this draft and although to my untrained eye I cannot tell who is excelling on special teams, Dulac and Ed. B. report Madison and Battle are at the top of the list. So Gibson drew the short straw.

If this team was rebuilding then Aaron Smith would have gone on IR - but with the age on this team the window is shutting - to the extent having Gibson around will make no difference this January but having Aaron Smith around could be huge, I see where the front offfice and coaches were going with these personnel decisions

lionslicer
12-10-2010, 08:05 AM
Sure, his salary makes him an absolute bargain, but I'm talking about a roster spot, we can only dress so many guys, and if all he was doing was returning kicks without directly influencing the outcome of games in our favor we couldn't afford to have him taking up a spot.

Steelers didn't realize their special teams would be better this year, I'm sure they are kicking themselves over letting him go... Logan sets a team record behind the worst special teams unit, but gets let go because of the special teams coach innabilities... If special teams still was dead last and he was on the team with all the O-line injuries and D-line injuries, you could make a good assumtion he would sit out some games.

Neil-Still-Rules-14
12-10-2010, 01:21 PM
Logan is 2nd in the NFL in KR yardage...but he's third in the NFL in kick returns as well. The Lions get scored on a lot.

He's 5th in PR yardage, 10th in punt returns.

More or less, he's having the same kind of year as he did last. Brown and Sanders are certainly better assets than Logan. I think the idea was they all had roughly the same return ability...so the tiebreaker is actual value outside of returning. As pointed out earlier, 88 and 84 can each play receiver...and they're pretty good at it. Not to mention they can play some pretty good ST as well.

MaineSteelerFan
12-10-2010, 01:36 PM
Logan who?? lol

wootawnee
12-10-2010, 02:44 PM
I think everyone got tired of his jumping up and down ritual before the snaps........That was an awful image to have in you head every time we received a punt.....And they showed it every time...........They always show the return man.......

Plus a roster spot to another receiver who can return is golden........

But it was enjoyable watchin the little dude zig and zag........Seems he always went up the sidelines.....

I like how Antonio goes straight up the field......He reminds me of Desmond Howard......