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tony hipchest
04-08-2006, 02:55 PM
10 cup races at this track with 10 different winners. no one driver owns this track but with roush having won half the races with 5 different drivers, we'll just add it to the list of tracks he owns. we go from the race with perhaps the coolest trophy in sports to a venue where the top prize is a pair of boots. perhaps the suckiest trophy in all of sports. atleast texas gives out a hefty payout.

at one point several races ago, the fastest qualifying speed of the season was posted, topping atlanta, charlotte and both restrictor plate superspeedways. texas is the track that was giving indy car drivers (maybe it was cart- who cares) vertigo from driving so fast 2 or 3 years ago. there is much prestige in having the fastest track. see charlotte repaving pushing speeds up to 197.

point is texas is FAST and a second groove has been coming in slowly but surely. im watching for a good race with good passing up front and great passing 7-30 cars deep in the field. hopefully we wont struggle through another mile and a half, follow the leader, snoozefest.

mark martin has good history here and hes backed it up this weekend with great qualifying and practice efforts. kenseth too. when he qualifies in the top 10, watch out! biffle won this race last year and has a top 10 start. edwards won the race in fall and loves these types of tracks. kahne also loves these mile and a halfers and he has the pole.jj yeley starts on the front row while teamate stewart starts from 40th. this shouldnt make too much difference to someone with a great car as kenseth proved this race can be won with a back up engine, and from the last place starting spot.

i really dont have my finger on the pulse of anything to make a bold prediction (i would most likely be wrong if i tried) however texas has been kind giving several drivers their 1st wins (j. burton, dale jr) and drivers who didnt have many wins (e. saddler and r. newman) have found success here. this could be good news for drivers like c. mears, j mcmurray and r. gordon as a darkhorse. the labonte brothers are always fun to watch at this track and rookie yeley could suprise people with a great run in bobbys old ride. watch team yates, 2nd and 3rd in practice, and i think d. hamlin will do descent. dale jr. won in his rookie season here. does truex hav it in him? im sure he does but he really doesnt have the equipment yet. i still think a 15-20th place finish isnt out of the question. while im not really looking at anything from the pointsleader in this race, i will not be suprised at all if he cracked the top 6 and maybe gordom will work his way up late in the race to pull out a 9-13th place finish.

notable that dale jr.s 1st win here, was also the late adam pettys ist and only start in the cup series and the one and only time him and his dad competed together, although adams car failed and he was a non factor through most of the race. watching dale sr. celebrate in victory lane with his son, humanized him in my eyes. while i never rooted for him on the track, i always rooted for him as a team owner and a father (even as hard assed as he was). this is a tape i'll never record over. i'll be watching if either driver has a co-pilot with them this weekend.

this week is tough.

1) m. kenseth
2) e. saddler
3) g. biffle
4) kurt bush
5) m. martin
6) k. kahne

DIESELMAN
04-08-2006, 03:21 PM
1.Martin
2.Kenseth
3.Gordon
4.Kahne
5.Jr.

SteelerDan43
04-08-2006, 03:33 PM
in the fantasy league i have Gordon, Kyle Busch, Hamlin, and Yeley

tony hipchest
04-08-2006, 03:38 PM
reed sorenson was clearly busted in the bush race throwing a piece of roll bar padding out his window, and then calling for a caution on his radio. he got black flagged. good. (even though a caution came out before he served his penalty) these manuvers are b.s.

tony hipchest
04-08-2006, 03:40 PM
in the fantasy league i have Gordon, Kyle Busch, Hamlin, and Yeleyso you think gordons gonna win?

83-Steelers-43
04-08-2006, 04:13 PM
Quick question. I notice none of you guys/gals have Earnhardt Jr. on the list. What's his deal? Is he basically riding on his dad's name? Is he having a bad year? Is he overrated? Just curious.

Thanks from the know-nothing NASCAR person...lol.

Suitanim
04-08-2006, 04:21 PM
I have him starting this week...to be honest, I think he's a fairly average driver, but he's got good equipment, and NASCAR will do him favors from time to time.

SteelerDan43
04-08-2006, 04:23 PM
so you think gordons gonna win?

Ya, he has a legit shot at every track

SteelerDan43
04-08-2006, 04:24 PM
Quick question. I notice none of you guys/gals have Earnhardt Jr. on the list. What's his deal? Is he basically riding on his dad's name? Is he having a bad year? Is he overrated? Just curious.

Thanks from the know-nothing NASCAR person...lol.

Not the most talented guy out their but in a good situation

tony hipchest
04-08-2006, 04:26 PM
Quick question. I notice none of you guys/gals have Earnhardt Jr. on the list. What's his deal? Is he basically riding on his dad's name? Is he having a bad year? Is he overrated? Just curious.

Thanks from the know-nothing NASCAR person...lol.deiselman had him 5th and i definitely mentionned him in my pre race analysis. jr.s grampa was in auto racing and it used to be said that dale sr. was riding off his fathers name. 7 champs later dale jr. gets the same stuff. dale jr. is a damn good driver. many say he is overrated, kinda like p. manning. personally i think hes been good as proved by his 4th place finish with a car that looked like it was ready for the scrapheap last weekend. (he had been in 2 wrecks but still pulled out a top 5) he is a good racer with a great personality and great for the sport. he will never live up to his father though. no one probably will.

MasterOfPuppets
04-08-2006, 04:30 PM
1.Martin
2.Kenseth
3.Gordon
4.Kahne
5.Jr.
this looks about right

83-Steelers-43
04-08-2006, 04:31 PM
Ahh, I see. As always, thank you for enlightening me. Much appreciated.

tony hipchest
04-08-2006, 04:39 PM
Ahh, I see. As always, thank you for enlightening me. Much appreciated.thanks for reading. we'll turn you into a racefan yet. im telling you- talledega! non stop action start to finish and the in car camera views are some of the best shots and action in sports. think helmet cam on steroids with a much more stable view.

83-Steelers-43
04-08-2006, 04:42 PM
lol, I'm trying TH, I'm trying....bare with me on this question...when is Talledega?

MasterOfPuppets
04-08-2006, 04:46 PM
lol, I'm trying TH, I'm trying....bare with me on this question...when is Talledega?
april 30

tony hipchest
04-08-2006, 04:46 PM
wow. jr. an average driver in better equipment? i always looked at it as the other way. d.e.i. was a start up right before jr stepped in. saying dei has some of the best equipment is kind of like saying d. snyder has some of the best players. dei has never proven to be able to hang with the more established teams such as hendrick, roush, gibbs, and penske and childress to some extent. other than the resrtictor plate collaboration between dei, petre, and childress id say dei has had the 6th strongest team/ program out there. maybe 7th if you throw in yates, but probably 6th.

83-Steelers-43
04-08-2006, 04:49 PM
april 30

Thank you sir.

tony hipchest
04-08-2006, 04:52 PM
kurt bush wins 1st bush series start. penske has never won a cup champ but if he would ever decide to run full time in the busch series he would have it wrapped up 20 races into the season. i never even heard of todays winning crew cheif. i think this was his 1st race and the #39 team is a developmental program for the #2 and #12 team in cup. i think this seat time may help kurt in tomorrows 500.

Suitanim
04-08-2006, 05:04 PM
First off, DEI was formed in 1980, so it's hardly a "start-up".

Quick litmus test of driver quality? Road courses. Jr's average finish for his career is 20.2.

tony hipchest
04-08-2006, 05:18 PM
First off, DEI was formed in 1980, so it's hardly a "start-up".

Quick litmus test of driver quality? Road courses. Jr's average finish for his career is 20.2. you must know something i dont. im thinking of the dei where steve park was the 1st driver for the #1 penzoil car (single car operation until budweiser and dale jr. came on board.)
jr is barely better than half the field on road coarses. they are 1/18th on the schedule. i dont think schumacher would be better than stewart, gordon, johnson in cup, nor would they be any better in formula 1. i dont judge jr.s capability to drive nextel cup by his road races. hes better than what those finishes would indicate. as im sure jj is. 9off the top of my head i dont know what jj's career road record is comared to other races. i know robbie gordon is pretty good on the road tracks.

MasterOfPuppets
04-08-2006, 05:30 PM
you must know something i dont. im thinking of the dei where steve park was the 1st driver for the #1 penzoil car (single car operation until budweiser and dale jr. came on board.)
jr is barely better than half the field on road coarses. they are 1/18th on the schedule. i dont think schumacher would be better than stewart, gordon, johnson in cup, nor would they be any better in formula 1. i dont judge jr.s capability to drive nextel cup by his road races. hes better than what those finishes would indicate. as im sure jj is. 9off the top of my head i dont know what jj's career road record is comared to other races. i know robbie gordon is pretty good on the road tracks.
Dale Earnhardt, Inc. debuted in Winston Cup in 1996 as the #14 Racing for Kids Chevrolet, driven by Robby Gordon at Charlotte Motor Speedway. Jeff Green drove the car in two more races that year. The next year, Busch Series standout Steve Park drove the car in five races with the Burger King sponsorship. In 1998, the team switched numbers with car owner Richard Jackson, (who was running out of funding for his team), with the car changing from #14 to #1, and receiving sponsorship from Pennzoil and Park making a bid for NASCAR Rookie of the Year honors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Earnhardt,_Inc.

Suitanim
04-08-2006, 05:39 PM
http://www.daleearnhardtinc.com/content/corporation/companyhistory.aspx

As far as Shumacher, he would dominate in road racingno matter what he's driving...look at all the ringers who come in and run successfully in Cup road courses.

The differences between Cup and open wheel are myriad, but you don't have to be as good a driver in Cup. Dale Jarrett had admitted numerous times that he's not half the wheel man that JG, Tony Stewart and the like are, but driving ability is only part of the equation in Cup.

I'm not saying tha Jr. is a BAD driver, just that he's never going to be anywhere near one of the best out there. Anyway, this is likely to be another one of THOSE arguments...have fun.

SteelerzGirl
04-08-2006, 05:45 PM
Jimmie
Martin
Junior
Stewart
Kyle Busch

tony hipchest
04-08-2006, 05:54 PM
http://www.daleearnhardtinc.com/content/corporation/companyhistory.aspx

As far as Shumacher, he would dominate in road racingno matter what he's driving...look at all the ringers who come in and run successfully in Cup road courses.

The differences between Cup and open wheel are myriad, but you don't have to be as good a driver in Cup. Dale Jarrett had admitted numerous times that he's not half the wheel man that JG, Tony Stewart and the like are, but driving ability is only part of the equation in Cup.

I'm not saying tha Jr. is a BAD driver, just that he's never going to be anywhere near one of the best out there. Anyway, this is likely to be another one of THOSE arguments...have fun.

i didnt realize you were talking about truck or busch series (or merchandising ventures). so i will re phrase and say the dei CUP TEAM was a vitually a start up before dale jr. joined the team. teresa selling dales name is a far cry from fielding one of the best teams in the cup series.

we agree on the shumacher aspect. while he might look like boris said or r. fellows on a roAd course track, hed probably fare as well as r. gordon has on all other tracks. the only cup driver id give a shot to be slightly better than a field filler in f-1 would be gordon (possibly stewart).

believe me, i dont have jr. placed on some high pedestal but i definitely disagree with the fact that he was placed into the same situation jimmie johnson was when he got his 1st ride (in cup).

SteelerzGirl
04-08-2006, 05:59 PM
I don't particularly care for Junior. His "personality" seems like that of a punk. (shrugs)

MasterOfPuppets
04-08-2006, 06:32 PM
I don't particularly care for Junior. His "personality" seems like that of a punk. (shrugs)
i don't know if i'd say punk...but he definitely has an air of arrogance about him. and the way he rips his team when they have a bad run ,or a pit stop mistake, is just pathetic.

tony hipchest
04-08-2006, 06:40 PM
I don't particularly care for Junior. His "personality" seems like that of a punk. (shrugs)out of all cup drivers, dale jr. is the one most like someone i wouldve ran with and hung out with in high school. (and i never hung with the hicks or cowboys/ffa members in highschool) him, e. saddler, j. mcmurray, are 3 dudes id probably enjoy sitting at a bar, shooting the shit, and slugging some brews with.

tony hipchest
04-08-2006, 06:43 PM
i don't know if i'd say punk...but he definitely has an air of arrogance about him. and the way he rips his team when they have a bad run ,or a pit stop mistake, is just pathetic. like father like son, i guess. i hated dale sr. but found dale jr. much more tolerable.

daleemnm
04-09-2006, 12:15 AM
wow. jr. an average driver in better equipment? i always looked at it as the other way. d.e.i. was a start up right before jr stepped in. saying dei has some of the best equipment is kind of like saying d. snyder has some of the best players. dei has never proven to be able to hang with the more established teams such as hendrick, roush, gibbs, and penske and childress to some extent. other than the resrtictor plate collaboration between dei, petre, and childress id say dei has had the 6th strongest team/ program out there. maybe 7th if you throw in yates, but probably 6th.

DEI has mediocre equipment. I think the only seasons it was good was in 2003 and 2004 when he was a title contender and won 8 races in those 2 years. I think he is one of the top drivers on the circuit.

tony hipchest
04-09-2006, 10:47 AM
kenseth changes engine and will start from the back. he has won here from the back before but i wouldnt count on that happening twice. i must revise:

1) g. biffle
2) e. saddler
3) kurt bush
4) m. martin
5) k. kahne
6) t. stewart
7) m. kenseth

tony hipchest
04-09-2006, 01:08 PM
rep points to g-dub. he loves nascar. "gentlemen shtart your engines"

(of course it is the most inefficient waste of fuel/oil around=profits)

lol

SteelerDan43
04-09-2006, 03:28 PM
well I just got screwed in the period of a couple laps w/ Yeley's crash and Kyle Busch having to come back in

SteelerzGirl
04-09-2006, 05:04 PM
It was a bad week for me in the fantasy league, too, Dan. Geesh...

And why, oh why, do they keep torturing me by showing Chandra all over Jimmie? Ugh! I don't need to see that...(lol).

daleemnm
04-09-2006, 06:35 PM
I picked Kahne, Yeley, Martin, and Burton. All of them finished in the top 10 except Yeley who was running top 10 until he wrecked.

daleemnm
04-09-2006, 06:36 PM
It was a bad week for me in the fantasy league, too, Dan. Geesh...

And why, oh why, do they keep torturing me by showing Chandra all over Jimmie? Ugh! I don't need to see that...(lol).

I can't stand them showing her. She looks like a live skeleton.

SteelerzGirl
04-09-2006, 07:49 PM
I can't stand them showing her. She looks like a live skeleton.

Yes, she does. I was visiting my parents today and watching the pre-race stuff on the television in the kitchen while my Mom and and I were getting some Easter stuff together for my nieces and nephews at the kitchen table. When they showed her all over Jimmie, I started freakin' out...(lol). My Mom thinks Jimmie is a hottie, too, but she was laughing at me. My dad isn't into NASCAR and he just thinks I've gone off the deep end. He's probably right as far as my lust for Jimmie is concerned...(lol).

Suitanim
04-10-2006, 08:01 AM
Good for me? I had Kahne.
Bad for me? I had Biffle and JJ Yeley.

tony hipchest
04-10-2006, 08:23 PM
1.Martin
2.Kenseth
3.Gordon
4.Kahne
5.Jr.

great call on kenseth in 2nd.

i think deiselman has picked 2 winners and 2 2nd place finishers so far.

tony hipchest
04-10-2006, 08:56 PM
10 cup races at this track with 10 different winners. no one driver owns this track but with roush having won half the races with 5 different drivers, we'll just add it to the list of tracks he owns. we go from the race with perhaps the coolest trophy in sports to a venue where the top prize is a pair of boots. perhaps the suckiest trophy in all of sports. atleast texas gives out a hefty payout.

make that 11 races with 11 different winners. great run by kasey kahne

at one point several races ago, the fastest qualifying speed of the season was posted, topping atlanta, charlotte and both restrictor plate superspeedways. texas is the track that was giving indy car drivers (maybe it was cart- who cares) vertigo from driving so fast 2 or 3 years ago. there is much prestige in having the fastest track. see charlotte repaving pushing speeds up to 197.

blah, blah, fast cars, blah

point is texas is FAST and a second groove has been coming in slowly but surely. im watching for a good race with good passing up front and great passing 7-30 cars deep in the field. hopefully we wont struggle through another mile and a half, follow the leader, snoozefest.

the strongest cars stayed up front but it was a good race nevertheless

mark martin has good history here and hes backed it up this weekend with great qualifying and practice efforts. kenseth too. when he qualifies in the top 10, watch out! biffle won this race last year and has a top 10 start. edwards won the race in fall and loves these types of tracks. kahne also loves these mile and a halfers and he has the pole.jj yeley starts on the front row while teamate stewart starts from 40th. this shouldnt make too much difference to someone with a great car as kenseth proved this race can be won with a back up engine, and from the last place starting spot.

all guys mentionned did really well. kenseth and stewart showed the rest of the league how strong they both really are to pull out a 2nd and 3rd place finish, starting from 40th or beyond. kahne's pole position didnt hurt either

i really dont have my finger on the pulse of anything to make a bold prediction (i would most likely be wrong if i tried) however texas has been kind giving several drivers their 1st wins (j. burton, dale jr) and drivers who didnt have many wins (e. saddler and r. newman (see kasey kahne) ) have found success here. this could be good news for drivers like c. mears, j mcmurray and r. gordon as a darkhorse (or a favorite like k. kahne). the labonte brothers are always fun to watch at this track (b. lab had a solid 10th place finish and terry is just old getting all the equipment jeff or jimmie dont want and rookie yeley could suprise people with a great run in bobbys old ride he had a great top 10 ride going until he wrecked . watch team yates, 2nd and 3rd in( you didnt see too much if you watched these 2) practice, and i think d. hamlin will do descent (understatement of the year. he finished 4th). dale jr. won in his rookie season here. does truex hav it in him? im sure he does (he preved he does) but he really doesnt have the equipment yet (he proved he doesnt- finished 8th). i still think a 15-20th place finish isnt out of the question. while im not really looking at anything from the pointsleader in this race, i will not be suprised at all if he cracked the top 6 and maybe gordom will work his way up late in the race to pull out a 9-13th place finish. i really thought jeff would have the finish jimmie did, 11th, and jimmie would have the finish gordon did, 22,nd

kudos to the rookies. while i expected hamlin, truex, and yeley to stay out of trouble and have really good runs, they (along with sorenson) were up front most of the day. they all had excellent runs. with sorenson running 13th and yeley gave up a great top 5-10 run for a 35th place finish.

notable that dale jr.s 1st win here, was also the late adam pettys ist and only start in the cup series and the one and only time him and his dad competed together, although adams car failed and he was a non factor through most of the race. watching dale sr. celebrate in victory lane with his son, humanized him in my eyes. while i never rooted for him on the track, i always rooted for him as a team owner and a father (even as hard assed as he was). this is a tape i'll never record over. i'll be watching if either driver has a co-pilot with them this weekend.no miracles, but both drivers were worthy of mention

this week is tough. it sure was. see revised list

1) m. kenseth
2) e. saddler
3) g. biffle
4) kurt bush
5) m. martin
6) k. kahne

revised list:

1) g. biffle- (42nd) looked like he had the strongest car. the lack of damage to the wall proved otherwise. the damage to his bumper confirmed otherwise.
2) e. saddler- (33rd) riding the coattails of jarretts past success wont cut it other than being an average driver. 2 car teams could just be at a significant disadvantage.
3) kurt bush- (34th) see g. biffle. dude is pressing. he sounds smart but acts stupid
4) m. martin- (9th) mark keeps doing what he has to do but was never really in position to win)
5) k. kahne (1st) this is where my picks start to look good
6) t. stewart (3rd)
7) m. kenseth (2nd)


great run by the rookies and #9, 43, and ryan...chill out with sterling.

DIESELMAN
04-10-2006, 09:54 PM
great call on kenseth in 2nd.

i think deiselman has picked 2 winners and 2 2nd place finishers so far.

Thanx Bro.....just to let everyone know there is an elusive score for getting #1-#4 and all the bonus points........its 416 points!!!!! nobody is out of it yet plenty of racin to go...:helmet: