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SteelerEmpire
12-19-2010, 07:06 PM
I know our Offense scratches and claws most every game... so I'll leave that gripe for another post. However, 1) when Troy is playing the Defense usually excels. When Troy is not there AND LeBeau IS there, the defense is average at best. 2) It seems every time Troy makes a big play, he took it upon HIMSELF to gamble as opposed to credit of a play call. And 3) When LeBeau made Woodley the roaming player for the earlier part of the year (and Troy was forced to follow play routes) we just stopped getting turnovers and there was a big difference in game changing plays. When Troy was put back as the roamer, he makes a big play each game and gets talk as defensive MVP. Maybe Troy P. is a better D Coordinator ? Should he be getting the credit and praise that LeBeau gets instead ? Just my thoughts...

SH-Rock
12-19-2010, 07:08 PM
Our defense revolves around Troy so when he doesn't play we are reserved.

TRH
12-19-2010, 07:08 PM
i couldnt' believe we were giving them the short pass. Everyone knows thats how you beat us......and we gave it to them. Really? LeBeau?? Hello?

TRH
12-19-2010, 07:09 PM
Our defense revolves around Troy so when he doesn't play we are reserved.

NO excuse for being "reserved" just because Troy isn't playing.

theplatypus
12-19-2010, 07:09 PM
13 points

Rick5895
12-19-2010, 07:12 PM
13 points, nothing wrong with coach Dad

Chadmagic
12-19-2010, 07:14 PM
Yeah we only gave up 13 points on defense but, those points came at a price of long sustained drives. Those clock eaters are game killers. Sometimes its not enough to just stop a team. You have to stop them quick.

Especially since our offense is slow and lumbering. We need all the time we can get to score points cause its gonna take us a while.

Chadmagic
12-19-2010, 07:16 PM
I guess the biggest difference isn't in the play calling on D, but in the execution. Troy has a killers instinct and seems to be able to make a guess at what the offense is gonna do next. That allows him to stuff the run and get sacks and interceptions.

When he's not in, we are still great on D, but we don't get those lucky guesses and quick route jumps.

theplatypus
12-19-2010, 07:17 PM
Yeah we only gave up 13 points on defense but, those points came at a price of long sustained drives. Those clock eaters are game killers. Sometimes its not enough to just stop a team. You have to stop them quick.

Especially since our offense is slow and lumbering. We need all the time we can get to score points cause its gonna take us a while.


You can not blame the defense for this game. We had the ball down by 3 with plenty of time and 3 timeouts and gave up a safety. The Defense got us the ball back with over 2 minutes and down by 5. The defense did their job.

Rick5895
12-19-2010, 07:19 PM
Yeah we only gave up 13 points on defense but, those points came at a price of long sustained drives. Those clock eaters are game killers. Sometimes its not enough to just stop a team. You have to stop them quick.

Especially since our offense is slow and lumbering. We need all the time we can get to score points cause its gonna take us a while.

The TD came on a drive where we gave them the ball on the friggin 50. This D did it's job the last 2 drives, got us the ball back.
At some point , when we lose, we have to stop blaming the D. They only gave up 13, this offense has underachieved all season long, it under achieved last year, I am sure after tonights game we will have allowed the fewest points per game in the league.
Special teams and very bad situational offensive play calling cost us this game, NOT THE D, NOT LEBEAU AND CERTAINLY NOT BECAUSE TROY WASN'T PLAYING!!!!!!!!

:banging:

Rick5895
12-19-2010, 07:20 PM
BTW when will our Offense finally come and WIN a game!!!

Raw Steel
12-19-2010, 07:20 PM
The Steelers are 5-7 without Polamalu now. Enough said.

truesteelerfan
12-19-2010, 07:24 PM
The D was fine I think....Mundy filled in just fine for what he has to offer. Better to rest Troy IMO and have him healthy for 1st round of PO

Chadmagic
12-19-2010, 07:42 PM
You are right the D didn't cost us the game. Special teams cost us the game on the opening play!

steelerjim58
12-19-2010, 07:58 PM
The Steelers are 5-7 without Polamalu now. Enough said.

I would bet that in most if not all of those games, if the o puts up at least 24 points they win at least 10 of them.

FanSince72
12-19-2010, 08:18 PM
I know our Offense scratches and claws most every game... so I'll leave that gripe for another post. However, 1) when Troy is playing the Defense usually excels. When Troy is not there AND LeBeau IS there, the defense is average at best. 2) It seems every time Troy makes a big play, he took it upon HIMSELF to gamble as opposed to credit of a play call. And 3) When LeBeau made Woodley the roaming player for the earlier part of the year (and Troy was forced to follow play routes) we just stopped getting turnovers and there was a big difference in game changing plays. When Troy was put back as the roamer, he makes a big play each game and gets talk as defensive MVP. Maybe Troy P. is a better D Coordinator ? Should he be getting the credit and praise that LeBeau gets instead ? Just my thoughts...


Polamalu's absence is crucial and I won't argue that, but just as the defense could have used Troy, the offense could have used Miller because he's just as important to them as Troy is to the defense.

Because Miller was out, Hines was often neutralized by having to stay in and block (we lose a receiver) so Tomlin basically had an offense AND a defense that was operating at 80% or less overall. If he had played Miller, Hines may have been freed up and the play calling would have changed and maybe they could have lit things up more, but I think Tomlin chose the future over the present in terms of not risking key players if he didn't have to.

All of this put the defense in a position of not having any cush to work with and without Troy, they were more vulnerable to begin with and they were pressing too much because they didn't have any lead to work with (and let's not forget the opening kickoff which sure as hell didn't help).

Tomlin gambled on leaving Miller out because he wants him at 100% going forward. I think that because he knows he's going to the playoffs, he was willing to risk a loss not just to allow Miller and others to get healthier but also to get guys like Johnson and Spaeth more real-time reps as well as leaning more on Wallace and the rooks to gain more knowledge of routes and reads.

I hate this loss just as much as you do (maybe more because I live in Jets territory and have to put up with their insufferable BS) but I think it was a good call by Tomlin to lean towards getting things set up for the post season rather than risking more injuries that he can't afford.