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Whodis
12-20-2010, 08:30 AM
Placing aside the special teams disasters......

Is it just me or is our offense just out of sync? Poor route running and the fact Ben doesn't seem to hit a reciever in stride. Looking at the passes we complete more then likely are a stop route. The QB is banged up, but I thought the fake spike was all great call by Arians, but what the hell happen there? Do you think we are resting starters during the week a little too much?

Could I please get an answer to why Moore continues to replace Mendenhall? What does a older less talented runningback bring to the table? Redman is at least bigger. Mendenhall is a better back and Redman is a better blocker. More props to Arians I really liked bringing Legursky in at fullback on the goal line.

IMO I thought play calling was improved, execution was...............

plenewken
12-20-2010, 08:42 AM
If you look at the production on the offense during the first quarter this year, our Offense has been pathetic. I don't know why but they need at least 3 possessions to score. Play calling and execution has been very poor.

TRH
12-20-2010, 08:51 AM
Placing aside the special teams disasters......

Is it just me or is our offense just out of sync? Poor route running and the fact Ben doesn't seem to hit a reciever in stride. Looking at the passes we complete more then likely are a stop route. The QB is banged up, but I thought the fake spike was all great call by Arians, but what the hell happen there? Do you think we are resting starters during the week a little too much?

Could I please get an answer to why Moore continues to replace Mendenhall? What does a older less talented runningback bring to the table? Redman is at least bigger. Mendenhall is a better back and Redman is a better blocker. More props to Arians I really liked bringing Legursky in at fullback on the goal line.

IMO I thought play calling was improved, execution was...............

They were terrible once again. Its kind of funny watching some people say "ah, well, yeah, they did great, they were scoring yesterday, blah, blah..."
But if people think scoring 14 points is going to win games......Not. We need to sit Moore. I agree...Where was Redman? Or even Mendy?
Dumb penalties again, receivers bumbling routes, Arians idiotic play-calling....
Far from good.

330steelerguy
12-20-2010, 09:14 AM
I think Arians has made leaps and bounds since that crap against the saints, but saying that I want someone else next year ! I thought the jets playcalling was really good...lot of short timing routes that kept the clock moving ,that direct snap to LT and the dirty sanchez bootleg was a brilliant! God with the young recievers on this team we need someone with an imagination and know how when it comes in- game adjustment to what teams are trying to do.

Whodis
12-20-2010, 01:38 PM
I think Arians has made leaps and bounds since that crap against the saints, but saying that I want someone else next year ! I thought the jets playcalling was really good...lot of short timing routes that kept the clock moving ,that direct snap to LT and the dirty sanchez bootleg was a brilliant! God with the young recievers on this team we need someone with an imagination and know how when it comes in- game adjustment to what teams are trying to do.

I thought the same thing about the jets playcalling. After the "Dirty Sanchez" (LMAO) we all looked at each other like "wow". The D seemed to be on their heels that series.

I can't believe we souldn't take advantage of the Wallace - Cromartie match-up! Talk about a mismatch and on top of that the corners looked to be jamming them?

stb_steeler
12-20-2010, 01:43 PM
Week after week, we all deliberate on the same problems.......And its the same ole story!:popcorn: ARIANS= SOS.....same ole shit

cloppbeast
12-20-2010, 02:29 PM
I think they've improved greatly. After watching the offense struggle through every game since Oakland, I was with you last week.

But in my opinion, the offense looked pretty good yesterday. The most import thing I saw was the redzone offense. Besides the last drive whicn amounted to 2 plays from 9 yard line with 9 seconds left - quite an anomoly - the redzone offense was good. In a normal game where the opponents defensive backs are not permitted to maul our WRs, the offense would probably put up at least 10 more points.

This was a close game against a playoff team that came down to the wire. It isn't a horrible loss by any stretch, and it should hardly feel at all like the downer everyone is describing. Despite what 90% of the people on this forum are sayint, the sky isn't falling.

fer522
12-20-2010, 04:01 PM
we suck ass

Whodis
12-20-2010, 04:04 PM
I think they've improved greatly. After watching the offense struggle through every game since Oakland, I was with you last week.

But in my opinion, the offense looked pretty good yesterday. The most import thing I saw was the redzone offense. Besides the last drive whicn amounted to 2 plays from 9 yard line with 9 seconds left - quite an anomoly - the redzone offense was good. In a normal game where the opponents defensive backs are not permitted to maul our WRs, the offense would probably put up at least 10 more points.

This was a close game against a playoff team that came down to the wire. It isn't a horrible loss by any stretch, and it should hardly feel at all like the downer everyone is describing. Despite what 90% of the people on this forum are sayint, the sky isn't falling.

I'm with you here, but don't you think we need to run better routes and have better passes?

330steelerguy
12-20-2010, 10:48 PM
I'm with you here, but don't you think we need to run better routes and have better passes?

Yes we need better routes and passes but understand we have a second year and two rookie recievers so there is gonna b some missed connections. I for one am thrilled about our young guys...geez do u guys remember Dwight stone!

mesaSteeler
12-20-2010, 11:06 PM
we suck ass

No,

Airhead Arians sucks ass!

I think we have the offensive personnel to win much more easily than we have been if only they were used properly. Unfortunately for us the Airhead is incapable of doing that.

fer522
12-21-2010, 07:37 PM
No,

Airhead Arians sucks ass!

I think we have the offensive personnel to win much more easily than we have been if only they were used properly. Unfortunately for us the Airhead is incapable of doing that.




OK Arians sucks ass then

caseyviator
12-22-2010, 11:12 AM
I think they've improved greatly. After watching the offense struggle through every game since Oakland, I was with you last week.

But in my opinion, the offense looked pretty good yesterday. The most import thing I saw was the redzone offense. Besides the last drive whicn amounted to 2 plays from 9 yard line with 9 seconds left - quite an anomoly - the redzone offense was good. In a normal game where the opponents defensive backs are not permitted to maul our WRs, the offense would probably put up at least 10 more points.

This was a close game against a playoff team that came down to the wire. It isn't a horrible loss by any stretch, and it should hardly feel at all like the downer everyone is describing. Despite what 90% of the people on this forum are sayint, the sky isn't falling.

im wit you i thought we were much improved and if the refs withstop lettin the reciever being held we win that game by 14 points....we need to play redman insted of moore big time...redman is star in waiting , reminds me of how willy had to wait 3 years b4 bein givin a shot,...redman might be a great runnin back , wont know till we play him more regularily...ps he can catch to give him a chance n cut moore..

FanSince72
12-22-2010, 11:33 AM
I know that Arians is the obvious target for the lack of offensive production but there's a lot more going on than just "bad play calling"

Consider this:
Ben was out for the first 4 weeks and was completely isolated from the team (unlike being injured which still allows him to be "part of" things).
Santonio is gone and he was Ben's emerging "go to" guy.
The F.O. mandated "more running" and that has thrown a fairly large monkey wrench into game planning.
The injuries to the O-line and the lack of consistency that follows - especially when the F.O. wants "more running plays".
Two rookie recievers who will one day become great assets but are still finding their way and have yet to develop any real "chemistry".
Hines is getting older and because of the weakened O-line has to stay home to block more often.
The injuries to the Defense, most notably Smith, which puts more pressure on the Offense because they are allowing opposing offenses to stay on the field longer and score more often.
The lack of a true "Big Back" like Jerome who was sometimes more like an "Eighth Lineman" which forces the O-line to have to create larger holes for the smaller - less powerful backs we now have.


And this is just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head. So in my opinion, it's a lot more than just Arians and there are far more things at work than just bad play calling. I think that given all of this (as well as what we don't know) I'd say that we're holding our own and are making some progress - slowly as it may be.

The more this team plays together, the more chemistry it creates and that takes time. This season is more like trying to plug a dozen leaks with only enough corks for six and it's more complicated than just "Fire Arians".

I myself think that I see signs of things starting to come together but slowly and in little bits. But that's better than sensing things are falling apart and I'm hopeful that we can get things squared away enough in the coming weeks to have a realistic shot at the Super Bowl. But the only real concern is what happens in the next game and we'll have to see how that goes.

Baby steps.

Whodis
12-22-2010, 01:00 PM
I know that Arians is the obvious target for the lack of offensive production but there's a lot more going on than just "bad play calling"

Consider this:
Ben was out for the first 4 weeks and was completely isolated from the team (unlike being injured which still allows him to be "part of" things). Santonio is gone and he was Ben's emerging "go to" guy.
The F.O. mandated "more running" and that has thrown a fairly large monkey wrench into game planning.
The injuries to the O-line and the lack of consistency that follows - especially when the F.O. wants "more running plays".
Two rookie recievers who will one day become great assets but are still finding their way and have yet to develop any real "chemistry".
Hines is getting older and because of the weakened O-line has to stay home to block more often.
The injuries to the Defense, most notably Smith, which puts more pressure on the Offense because they are allowing opposing offenses to stay on the field longer and score more often.
The lack of a true "Big Back" like Jerome who was sometimes more like an "Eighth Lineman" which forces the O-line to have to create larger holes for the smaller - less powerful backs we now have.


And this is just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head. So in my opinion, it's a lot more than just Arians and there are far more things at work than just bad play calling. I think that given all of this (as well as what we don't know) I'd say that we're holding our own and are making some progress - slowly as it may be.

The more this team plays together, the more chemistry it creates and that takes time. This season is more like trying to plug a dozen leaks with only enough corks for six and it's more complicated than just "Fire Arians".

I myself think that I see signs of things starting to come together but slowly and in little bits. But that's better than sensing things are falling apart and I'm hopeful that we can get things squared away enough in the coming weeks to have a realistic shot at the Super Bowl. But the only real concern is what happens in the next game and we'll have to see how that goes.

Baby steps.

:drink: i'll have 2 of what you had

Didn't Vick miss a couple games? just saying

IMO I think the run game is going to be key late in the season. When we were up by 7 against the Jets we came out and threw 3 straight incompletions. As a Steeler fan I just don't think the pass happy offense some guys or girls want to see out of Pitt. works in our division and or stadium.

FanSince72
12-22-2010, 01:11 PM
:drink: i'll have 2 of what you had

Didn't Vick miss a couple games? just saying

IMO I think the run game is going to be key late in the season. When we were up by 7 against the Jets we came out and threw 3 straight incompletions. As a Steeler fan I just don't think the pass happy offense some guys or girls want to see out of Pitt. works in our division and or stadium.

OK, let me ask you this:

If, when we were down by 7, Ben came out throwing and instead of throwing to either Wallace, Sanders, Brown or Randel-El he had Santonio Holmes - along with the chemistry that took years to build with him - do you still think that he would have thrown three straight incompletions?

Doubt it.

My point is that Ben hasn't changed all that much - the team around him has changed and given the late start and lack of a true "go to" guy, he's a bit rudderless right now.

Whodis
12-22-2010, 01:16 PM
OK, let me ask you this:

If, when we were down by 7, Ben came out throwing and instead of throwing to either Wallace, Sanders, Brown or Randel-El he had Santonio Holmes - along with the chemistry that took years to build with him - do you still think that he would have thrown three straight incompletions?

Doubt it.

My point is that Ben hasn't changed all that much - the team around him has changed and given the late start and lack of a true "go to" guy, he's a bit rudderless right now.

Don't get me wrong, I agreed with most of your post stated and the Santonio Holmes chemistry is a valid point. My question is if you have a back averaging 5.9 yards a carry would your best option be to throw with the lead?

Maybe it is chemistry and or rust. I just thought we would have blew out the cob webs by now.

FanSince72
12-22-2010, 01:49 PM
Don't get me wrong, I agreed with most of your post stated and the Santonio Holmes chemistry is a valid point. My question is if you have a back averaging 5.9 yards a carry would your best option be to throw with the lead?

Maybe it is chemistry and or rust. I just thought we would have blew out the cob webs by now.

I get what you're saying and yes, it is a bit of a head-scratcher.

All I can think of are two things:

1. Ben just likes throwing the ball and does so whether it's a good idea or not or,
2. Maybe there are more cobwebs than we think there are (or should be).

Actually I think it's a little of both. I think he might be trying to rush things along (and maybe he's missing "Tone more than he cares to admit) as well as maybe not being as "up to speed" as he may think he is.


But then we could just Fire Arians since that seems to be everyone's idea of fixing things.

Of course to me that's a little like having your car pulling to one side at highway speed and addressing the problem by unbolting the steering wheel and throwing it out the window.

That ought to do it, right?

LVSteelersfan
12-22-2010, 01:59 PM
What the heck are they passing so much when they are playing in the snow? That is my question. You win games in the snow by pounding, pounding, and more pounding with a running game to wear the defense down by the fourth quarter. They don't really want to be there playing in the snow any way. These three and outs are just plain stupid with the talent this team has.

FanSince72
12-22-2010, 02:19 PM
What the heck are they passing so much when they are playing in the snow? That is my question. You win games in the snow by pounding, pounding, and more pounding with a running game to wear the defense down by the fourth quarter. ....


Or you could throw for 369 yards, 2 TD's, have no interceptions and win by a score of 36-7 in 26 degree heavy snow with a 30 mph wind like New England did against the Bears.

I guess it's all in how you look at it.

Whodis
12-22-2010, 07:49 PM
Or you could throw for 369 yards, 2 TD's, have no interceptions and win by a score of 36-7 in 26 degree heavy snow with a 30 mph wind like New England did against the Bears.

I guess it's all in how you look at it.

that would be great. I just think we should stick to what is working (running game or whatever). The good news is we're on a short week and we can see if things get better Thurday!