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MasterOfPuppets
12-20-2010, 05:19 PM
why didn't ben use it instead of spiking the ball and wasting 15 seconds ? 23 seconds would have been enough time to use all 4 downs if need be.
in the first half he burned a TO on a 5 yd pass , but chooses to waste 15 precious seconds on the last drive ? at the 10 ? geesh

Timeout #1 by PIT at 02:30.
Timeout #2 by PIT at 02:24.



Pittsburgh Steelers at 02:08
1-10-PIT 8 (2:08) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep middle to 88-E.Sanders. COVERAGE BY #24 REVIS.
2-10-PIT 8 (2:04) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger scrambles right end ran ob at PIT 30 for 22 yards (30-D.Coleman). [/URL]
Two-Minute Warning
1-10-PIT 30 (1:56) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short left to 88-E.Sanders to PIT 41 for 11 yards (30-D.Coleman).
1-10-PIT 41 (1:30) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep middle to 88-E.Sanders (24-D.Revis).
2-10-PIT 41 (1:23) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger sacked at PIT 33 for -8 yards (30-D.Coleman). FUMBLES (30-D.Coleman), and recovers at PIT 27. 7-B.Roethlisberger to PIT 27 for no gain (30-D.Coleman). (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010121911/2010/REG15/jets@steelers/analyze/box-score#tab:watch/contentId:09000d5d81d0c75c)
3-24-PIT 27 (1:12) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass deep middle to 88-E.Sanders to NYJ 44 for 29 yards (44-J.Ihedigbo).
1-10-NYJ 44 (1:12) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger spiked the ball to stop the clock.
2-10-NYJ 44 (:52) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep right to 89-M.Spaeth (26-D.Lowery). Penalty on PIT, Illegal Formation, declined.
3-10-NYJ 44 (:47) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short left to 17-M.Wallace to NYJ 26 for 18 yards (31-A.Cromartie).
1-10-NYJ 26 (:29) 7-B.Roethlisberger spiked the ball to stop the clock.
2-10-NYJ 26 (:29) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep right to 88-E.Sanders.
3-10-NYJ 26 (:24) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass deep middle to 84-A.Brown to NYJ 10 for 16 yards (34-M.Cole).
1-10-NYJ 10 (:09) 7-B.Roethlisberger spiked the ball to stop the clock.


[url]http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010121911/2010/REG15/jets@steelers/analyze/box-score#analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010121911/2010/REG15/jets@steelers/analyze/box-score#tab:watch/contentId:09000d5d81d0c7a3)

RowHH
12-20-2010, 05:51 PM
I could have sworn we were out of time-outs. That's not what the GameCenter says, though.

Anyone?

Atlanta Dan
12-20-2010, 05:52 PM
Watching the replay on NFL Rewind - Steelers were out of timeouts when they got to the 10 yard line

Last time out was used after the sack fumble for a 15 yard loss (play #7 on the chart)

SteelCityMom
12-20-2010, 05:52 PM
That's what I thought too...huh. The hell?

SteelCityMom
12-20-2010, 05:54 PM
Watching the replay on NFL Rewind - Steelers were out of timeouts when they got to the 10 yard line

Last time out was used after the sack fumble for a 15 yard loss (play #7 on the chart)

Ok, that makes sense...I thought I remembered them using it around that time too. Wonder why it doesn't show up on the gamecenter chart??

FanSince72
12-20-2010, 06:00 PM
They had no more TO's by the time they got down near the 10 yard line.

I remember thinking (when they had just :09 seconds left) what I wouldn't give for either ten more seconds or one timeout because in either case they could have tried a running play. Without a run option and no timeouts, the Jets could basically drop ten guys into coverage if they wanted to.

Oh well, **** happens!

tony hipchest
12-20-2010, 06:01 PM
alot of message board posters have praised arians and ben for that last drive. i somewhat value the opinions of experts and analysists who have actually coached in the league more.

why in the hell did the steelers waste almost 10 seconds subbing in randle el for the spike play? if they wanted him in the game he coulda been inserted AFTER the ball was spiked and the clock was stopped.

Why in the hell, when it is the 2 minute drill, were the steelers subing in diferent personnel. and repeatedly shifting 2 wr's from one side to the other?

atleast 3-4 snaps were completely wasted. i guess with ben missing the first 4 games they still dont think hes ready to take over the no-huddle hurry up office. maybe he's still finding his groove with his wr's.

or maybe arians will no longer hand over the reigns like he used to because he has been ordered to runn the ball more..... effectively.

either way it was a complete meltdown from the sideline. that situation is very simple and has been proven time and time again.

you go 11 personnel (1rb/1te/3wr) and let ben work his magic.

MasterOfPuppets
12-20-2010, 06:08 PM
Watching the replay on NFL Rewind - Steelers were out of timeouts when they got to the 10 yard line

Last time out was used after the sack fumble for a 15 yard loss (play #7 on the chart)
ahhhh...mystery solved. now i'll be able to sleep tonight. :hatsoff:

MasterOfPuppets
12-20-2010, 06:10 PM
alot of message board posters have praised arians and ben for that last drive. i somewhat value the opinions of experts and analysists who have actually coached in the league more.

why in the hell did the steelers waste almost 10 seconds subbing in randle el for the spike play? if they wanted him in the game he coulda been inserted AFTER the ball was spiked and the clock was stopped.

Why in the hell, when it is the 2 minute drill, were the steelers subing in diferent personnel. and repeatedly shifting 2 wr's from one side to the other?

atleast 3-4 snaps were completely wasted. i guess with ben missing the first 4 games they still dont think hes ready to take over the no-huddle hurry up office. maybe he's still finding his groove with his wr's.

or maybe arians will no longer hand over the reigns like he used to because he has been ordered to runn the ball more..... effectively.

either way it was a complete meltdown from the sideline. that situation is very simple and has been proven time and time again.

you go 11 personnel (1rb/1te/3wr) and let ben work his magic.
i was watching the colt game , which manning ran the no huddle most of the game. they commented on how he gets the snap off with 20 + seconds still left .

is it coincedence that most plays following a timeout fail ?

Atlanta Dan
12-20-2010, 06:13 PM
alot of message board posters have praised arians and ben for that last drive. i somewhat value the opinions of experts and analysists who have actually coached in the league more.

why in the hell did the steelers waste almost 10 seconds subbing in randle el for the spike play? if they wanted him in the game he coulda been inserted AFTER the ball was spiked and the clock was stopped.

Why in the hell, when it is the 2 minute drill, were the steelers subing in diferent personnel. and repeatedly shifting 2 wr's from one side to the other?

atleast 3-4 snaps were completely wasted. i guess with ben missing the first 4 games they still dont think hes ready to take over the no-huddle hurry up office. maybe he's still finding his groove with his wr's.

or maybe arians will no longer hand over the reigns like he used to because he has been ordered to runn the ball more..... effectively.

either way it was a complete meltdown from the sideline. that situation is very simple and has been proven time and time again.

you go 11 personnel (1rb/1te/3wr) and let ben work his magic.

Is that you Ed Bouchette?:chuckle:

Bouchette goes off at length in PG+ on your observations regarding how screwed up the substitutions were on that last drive

tony hipchest
12-20-2010, 06:18 PM
:chuckle: actually it was rick venturi speaking with pat kirwan and tim ryan. all 3 were completely baffled.

SH-Rock
12-20-2010, 06:28 PM
Ben got sacked and used the TO

lionslicer
12-20-2010, 06:41 PM
They were out of timeouts despite what EPSN says.. But Ben doesn't use timeouts, he spikes the ball as much as he can to save the last timeout, he's always done that, I don't know why you'd question him now.

Atlanta Dan
12-20-2010, 06:50 PM
They were out of timeouts despite what EPSN says.. But Ben doesn't use timeouts, he spikes the ball as much as he can to save the last timeout, he's always done that, I don't know why you'd question him now.

Ben sometimes spikes the ball to excess but props to his fake spike in the first half when he should have hit Wallace for a score

steelerchad
12-20-2010, 10:01 PM
I'm critical of the spikes sometimes. If you got time to line up and spike the ball you got time to snap the damn thing and run a 10 yard pass route to the outside. Downs are important and I hate wasting first down. The last spike was neccessary, but the earlier one I didn't like.

SH-Rock
12-20-2010, 10:08 PM
I'm critical of the spikes sometimes. If you got time to line up and spike the ball you got time to snap the damn thing and run a 10 yard pass route to the outside. Downs are important and I hate wasting first down. The last spike was neccessary, but the earlier one I didn't like.

The spikes did not matter, actually they were quite beneficial. It was all time.

USWSteel
12-20-2010, 10:26 PM
alot of message board posters have praised arians and ben for that last drive. i somewhat value the opinions of experts and analysists who have actually coached in the league more.

why in the hell did the steelers waste almost 10 seconds subbing in randle el for the spike play? if they wanted him in the game he coulda been inserted AFTER the ball was spiked and the clock was stopped.

Why in the hell, when it is the 2 minute drill, were the steelers subing in diferent personnel. and repeatedly shifting 2 wr's from one side to the other?

atleast 3-4 snaps were completely wasted. i guess with ben missing the first 4 games they still dont think hes ready to take over the no-huddle hurry up office. maybe he's still finding his groove with his wr's.

or maybe arians will no longer hand over the reigns like he used to because he has been ordered to runn the ball more..... effectively.

either way it was a complete meltdown from the sideline. that situation is very simple and has been proven time and time again.

you go 11 personnel (1rb/1te/3wr) and let ben work his magic.

If thats really the case,that after 10 games and taking alot of the snaps in preseason with the first team ,oh and a bye week.... really makes me wonder what kind of brain damage this guy really does have. I think our offensive problems are a lack of BA's confidence in Ben this year and Ben's confidence in his own passing ability.