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Suitanim
04-11-2006, 08:41 AM
Keaton Rips Buc's for being cheap.

Associated Press
Posted: 13 hours ago PITTSBURGH (AP) - Despite being an invited guest of the ballclub, Batman didn't hesitate to take a few swings at the Pittsburgh Pirates (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71609).

Before throwing out the ceremonial first pitch at the Pirates (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71609)' home opener Monday, actor Michael Keaton criticized the team's owners for not spending enough money to field a competitive team.
The Pirates (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71609)' payroll of $46.87 million represents a jump of about $14 million from last season, yet was the fourth lowest in the majors on opening day. The Pirates (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71609), coming off 13 consecutive losing seasons, are 1-7 following an 8-3 loss to the Dodgers (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71605) on Monday.
http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5492090_36_2.jpgMichael Keaton threw out the first pitch at the Pirates-Dodgers game Monday, but not before taking a few shots at Pittsburgh ownership. ( / Associated Press)
"Look, I'd do it, too, if I were a businessman," said Keaton, a suburban Pittsburgh native known for his role as Batman. "But, at some point, you've got to win. I think fans have been gracious. And maybe not vocal enough. Maybe not vociferous enough with their displeasure. That's my opinion."
Keaton compared the Pirates (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71609) to the Los Angeles Clippers, often cited as the worst team in pro sports during a long streak of terrible seasons that dates to the 1980s. But the Clippers have begun keeping key players, including Elton Brand and Corey Maggette, and adding veterans such as Sam Cassell and Cuttino Mobley and now have a contending team in the NBA Western Conference.
"I fear they will take advantage of the good will of the people who continue to show up," Keaton said of the Pirates (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71609). "For my money, that's disrespectful. At some point, you either have to write the check or do something and not assume, well, we're OK and, ultimately, the franchise is valuable, anyway, like Donald Sterling did with the Los Angeles Clippers." Keaton also tweaked the Pirates (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71609) with his apparel. Rather than wearing a Pirates (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71609) cap to the ballpark, he wore a No. 86 hat in honor of Super Bowl MVP Hines Ward of the Steelers. The Pirates (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71609) have been owned since 1996 by a group headed by managing general partner Kevin McClatchy. His main investor is Wheeling, W.Va., newspaper publisher G. Ogden Nutting and his family.

pucho58
04-11-2006, 09:09 AM
Its about time.

83-Steelers-43
04-11-2006, 10:09 AM
Even though his comments won't do any good, that was beautiful....:sofunny:

83-Steelers-43
04-14-2006, 07:10 PM
Excellent interview with Michael Keaton and John Steigerwald on the Nightly Sports Call. Personally, I agree with 100% of the interview.

Part 1 and 2 are on the left side and his original comments are the slide to the right.

http://kdka.com/sports/local_story_103083531.html

SID
04-15-2006, 12:06 PM
The Pirates management are taking advantage of the loyalty that Pittsburgers have for their teams. The unfair thing is if we boycott going to the games and the management starts to lose money they will just threaten to leave the city. I wish the people in the city had more say in their teams, its time for the fans to revolt like the Lions fans did last year and let that deadbeat McClatchy know we're sick of it. The all star game would be a good place to do it.

83-Steelers-43
04-15-2006, 12:17 PM
The Pirates management are taking advantage of the loyalty that Pittsburgers have for their teams. The unfair thing is if we boycott going to the games and the management starts to lose money they will just threaten to leave the city. I wish the people in the city had more say in their teams, its time for the fans to revolt like the Lions fans did last year and let that deadbeat McClatchy know we're sick of it. The all star game would be a good place to do it.

I agree. But what was said in the interview, can you imagine if the Steelers had 12 straight losing seasons? Nevermind not making the playoffs, 12 straight losing seasons. Do you think fans would attend simply to see Heinz Field and how good the food is and how beautiful the views are? Hell no. This city would be on 24/7 lock down and the Rooney's would not be able to leave their Heinz Field offices. The view, good food and imported beer got old for me after realizing that it's the same old ball team under the same old pathetic ownership. Sooner or later, I want to see a good ball team. That's why the ball park was built. To play baseball in. If I wanted good drink, good food and a nice view I would go to the Le'Mont.

If the fans stop attending and they decide to sell the team, we have a buyer in Cuban who stated on many occasions that he would be more than happy to buy the team and keep them here in Pittsburgh. He did an interview on ESPN and stated if he could own one team in franchise sport, it would be the Pirates. If not Cuban, I don't see why any potential buyer would want to move the team. The new owner would already have the most beautiful ball park in baseball and the team still brings in a nice crowd for having one of the most pathetic ball teams in baseball for the last twelve years. Imagine what the attendance would like if we cracked .500 or made the playoffs? Sold out.

83-Steelers-43
04-17-2006, 04:30 PM
Personally, if I was Keaton I would not have apologized for anything. He was asked a question and he answered it with his own truthful opinion. Should he have lied and spit out B.S.? Then again, I'm sure many are used to listening to Pirate ownership for so long that they would have no problem with Keaton stating "they look great, WE WILL, ownership has done a superb job and Littlefield deserves his yearly extension". It's amazing how much attention this story gets from the fans and media, but the shitty state of the team rarely takes heat. Maybe if the fans and media of this ball team get as pissed at the Nutley's and McClatchy as they did Michael Keaton for his comments things might actually change.

SteelerDan43
04-17-2006, 07:10 PM
I agree. But what was said in the interview, can you imagine if the Steelers had 12 straight losing seasons? Nevermind not making the playoffs, 12 straight losing seasons. Do you think fans would attend simply to see Heinz Field and how good the food is and how beautiful the views are? Hell no. This city would be on 24/7 lock down and the Rooney's would not be able to leave their Heinz Field offices. The view, good food and imported beer got old for me after realizing that it's the same old ball team under the same old pathetic ownership. Sooner or later, I want to see a good ball team. That's why the ball park was built. To play baseball in. If I wanted good drink, good food and a nice view I would go to the Le'Mont.

If the fans stop attending and they decide to sell the team, we have a buyer in Cuban who stated on many occasions that he would be more than happy to buy the team and keep them here in Pittsburgh. He did an interview on ESPN and stated if he could own one team in franchise sport, it would be the Pirates. If not Cuban, I don't see why any potential buyer would want to move the team. The new owner would already have the most beautiful ball park in baseball and the team still brings in a nice crowd for having one of the most pathetic ball teams in baseball for the last twelve years. Imagine what the attendance would like if we cracked .500 or made the playoffs? Sold out.

when we hit 30-30 last year we sold out a friggin wed. afternoon businesman special, people want the team to be good, right now to draw a crowd they continualy have to give out stuff ala bobble heads to get people to come to a tuesday night game. Only 2 more years and we break the phillies' mark of futility

83-Steelers-43
04-17-2006, 08:44 PM
when we hit 30-30 last year we sold out a friggin wed. afternoon businesman special, people want the team to be good, right now to draw a crowd they continualy have to give out stuff ala bobble heads to get people to come to a tuesday night game. Only 2 more years and we break the phillies' mark of futility

My point exactly. The crowds in both PNC and Mellon have been unbelievable. With the Pens it has been five years, with the Pirates it has been thirteen. At least the NHL made the league better for all teams unless your a Detroit or NYC fan.

SteelCityMan786
04-17-2006, 08:47 PM
Maybe McClatchy will have his head out of his ass after hearing this.

83-Steelers-43
04-17-2006, 08:55 PM
Maybe McClatchy will have his head out of his ass after hearing this.

He's making his money and he takes zero heat in this city. I doubt much will change. Remember: "WE WILL" not be as bad as the KC Royals.

tony hipchest
04-17-2006, 09:21 PM
He's making his money and he takes zero heat in this city. I doubt much will change. Remember: "WE WILL" not be as bad as the KC Royals.

i must say thats the sorriest marketing campaign i have ever heard of. embarassing almost. im glad i havent had to hear or see it in an actual add.

83-Steelers-43
04-18-2006, 08:09 PM
i must say thats the sorriest marketing campaign i have ever heard of. embarassing almost. im glad i havent had to hear or see it in an actual add.

That's what fans in our city have been dealing with the last thirteen years. It's pretty bad unless your a gullible idiot who feels this team has a shot at winning a World Series in the near future. Afterall, isn't that the point? It's pretty bad.

Hammer67
04-21-2006, 06:28 AM
What exactly was the uproar over this? Keaton didn't say anything controversial...every person in every sports bar who knows ANYTHING about sports feels the same way.

I applaud him for bringing more attention to this. Who criticized him?

83-Steelers-43
04-21-2006, 08:35 AM
Batman is getting reamed out in this city.

83-Steelers-43
04-21-2006, 08:38 AM
What exactly was the uproar over this? Keaton didn't say anything controversial...every person in every sports bar who knows ANYTHING about sports feels the same way.

I applaud him for bringing more attention to this. Who criticized him?

The local media for the most part (except Steigerwald). He's one of the few sports writers in this city that chooses not to sugarcoat Pirate baseball or ride that Pirate PR wagon. The fans soon followed the media's lead. People calling and writing into local sport tv and radio, the ppg..etc. etc.

Hammer67
04-23-2006, 05:52 PM
The local media for the most part (except Steigerwald). He's one of the few sports writers in this city that chooses not to sugarcoat Pirate baseball or ride that Pirate PR wagon. The fans soon followed the media's lead. People calling and writing into local sport tv and radio, the ppg..etc. etc.


Madden seems to be supporting him to. Are everyone (media, fans) mentally challenged when it comes to baseball?

clevestinks
04-23-2006, 07:19 PM
What exactly was the uproar over this? Keaton didn't say anything controversial...every person in every sports bar who knows ANYTHING about sports feels the same way.

I applaud him for bringing more attention to this. Who criticized him?
Its unfortunate, that he was dead ON!

83-Steelers-43
04-23-2006, 09:17 PM
Madden seems to be supporting him to. Are everyone (media, fans) mentally challenged when it comes to baseball?

This comes back to my point.

Hypothetically.............If the Steelers went thirteen losing seasons there would be riots in the streets of Pittsburgh. It's almost as if Pirate fans expect another under .500 season and they deal with it and take it like a gimp. I keep hearing, we love the ball park, it has such a beautiful view, the food is great, the beer selection is excellent. It's as if many forget that baseball is played in that brand new ball park and we are supposed to be winning!!! It's a joke. Bottomline, they take it and accept it.

That's why I won't attend another Pirate game. They won't get a penny from me. Ownership is pathetic and league in general is pathetic.

Hammer67
04-23-2006, 09:47 PM
This comes back to my point.

Hypothetically.............If the Steelers went thirteen losing seasons there would be riots in the streets of Pittsburgh. It's almost as if Pirate fans expect another under .500 season and they deal with it and take it like a gimp. I keep hearing, we love the ball park, it has such a beautiful view, the food is great, the beer selection is excellent. It's as if many forget that baseball is played in that brand new ball park and we are supposed to be winning!!! It's a joke. Bottomline, they take it and accept it.

That's why I won't attend another Pirate game. They won't get a penny from me. Ownership is pathetic and league in general is pathetic.


Yeah...I friggin HATE baseball right now...there is no disparity. The differences between the big money markets and the small clubs are drastic. I haven't been into baseball in over 15 years...

And if you are a Pirates apologist...shame on you for supporting mediocrity for so long. I can understand a few losing seasons here and there, but this is ridiculous.

83-Steelers-43
04-23-2006, 10:01 PM
After another under .500 season the comfort pillow will be layed by the fans and media. "Well, at least we aren't as bad as the Royals" or "well, we are closer to .500". It's a joke. I will root for this team simply because I was born to root for Pittsburgh teams, but after thirteen years of being complete jokes and watching how ownership and management have handled this ball club, I will be damned if I spend a cent at PNC for tickets, food and drink.

I've seen enough and ending up better than the Royals and getting "closer" to .500 is just not cutting it for me anymore. If those are your expectations and if you happy with that, then that speaks volumes about this ball club and the league in general. It just amazes me how non-vocal the fans and media are towards the ownership of this team.

Bottomline, the ownership is banking on fans coming to PNC because of it's "beautiful view" and it's "great food and drink". Unfortunately, many brain deads are still buying into that shtick.

SteelerDan43
04-23-2006, 10:18 PM
Yeah...I friggin HATE baseball right now...there is no disparity. The differences between the big money markets and the small clubs are drastic. I haven't been into baseball in over 15 years...

And if you are a Pirates apologist...shame on you for supporting mediocrity for so long. I can understand a few losing seasons here and there, but this is ridiculous.


To say there is NO parity isnt quite acurate but close, there have been 6 different winners in the last 6 years. Something that cant be said for the NFL. Out of those teams the Marlins and D-Backs were lower spending teams compared to the Yanks. The Astros and Giants (in the world series) are not the highest spending teams either. You can eliminate the bottom third, and the rest have a legit shot to win it all. In reality not that much different than the NFL. But the difference is that the difference between that top third and bottom third is much bigger.

SteelerDan43
04-23-2006, 10:20 PM
After another under .500 season the comfort pillow will be layed by the fans and media. "Well, at least we aren't as bad as the Royals" or "well, we are closer to .500". It's a joke. I will root for this team simply because I was born to root for Pittsburgh teams, but after thirteen years of being complete jokes and watching how ownership and management have handled this ball club, I will be damned if I spend a cent at PNC for tickets, food and drink.

I've seen enough and ending up better than the Royals and getting "closer" to .500 is just not cutting it for me anymore. If those are your expectations and if you happy with that, then that speaks volumes about this ball club and the league in general. It just amazes me how non-vocal the fans and media are towards the ownership of this team.

Bottomline, the ownership is banking on fans coming to PNC because of it's "beautiful view" and it's "great food and drink". Unfortunately, many brain deads are still buying into that shtick.

Im sorry I can't be pessimistic all the time and have to see some kinda good in the team even if it is just being better than the damn Royals.

3 to be 4
04-23-2006, 10:22 PM
if I were a young GM type, like a Theo Epstein, I would think a dream job/challenge would be to come to baseball town like KC or Pittsburgh and try to construct an organization from the bottom up based on talent evaluation, scouting, and drafting. Its been shown in Oakland and Minnesota that it can be done.

83-Steelers-43
04-23-2006, 10:33 PM
Im sorry I can't be pessimistic all the time and have to see some kinda good in the team even if it is just being better than the damn Royals.

Strange Dan, why do you think my comments are always towards you? It's about the fans in general in this city. You need to loosen up a little bit and realize that not all my comments are towards you. Trust me, If I wanted to direct comments towards your direction, I would make it clear. Deep breath.

SteelerDan43
04-23-2006, 10:46 PM
Strange Dan, why do you think my comments are always towards you? It's about the fans in general in this city. You need to loosen up a little bit. Just my opinion.

Well I just assumed because recently I have said "Not the .500 season we want but closer." and "at least we aren't the Royals!" and you almost directly quoted me so I put two and two together. I would be willing to say there are other fans that are of the same thought as far as their outlook on the team.

83-Steelers-43
04-23-2006, 10:49 PM
I would be willing to say there are other fans that are of the same thought as far as their outlook on the team.

Even though I was not referring to you in particular, I would say that I agree and that's only one problem out of many when dealing with this baseball franchise as a whole. You are obviously in NY, but the fans here have absolutely no out cry over the ownership and management of this team. That's my point. People that are in our city simple deal with the fact that we suck year after year after year after year. It's as if they expect us to suck and then they are content with the fact. Many would argue that they are not, but I have yet to hear an out cry over the fact that this team completely sucks year after year.

SteelerDan43
04-23-2006, 11:08 PM
Even though I was not referring to you in particular, I would say that I agree and that's only one problem out of many when dealing with this baseball franchise as a whole. You are obviously in NY, but the fans here have absolutely no out cry over the ownership and management of this team. That's my point. People that are in our city simple deal with the fact that we suck year after year after year after year. It's as if they expect us to suck and then they are content with the fact. Many would argue that they are not, but I have yet to hear an out cry over the fact that this team completely sucks year after year.

While I am not there I do come home on a regular basis and do read and keep up to date with the Pittsburgh news outlets when I update my Pirates site. So I am pretty aware of the mood about the Pirates. Pittsburgh is a football town and will continue to be, there will be an outcry when we have a season like the 6-10 one of a few years ago. But there will be no outcry for the Pirates, likewise there has been and will not be an outcry for the Penguins who have been horrid in the past few years. This is because we are not a baseball town like St. Louis. We may have been at one time as recent as the 60's but the Pirates have been outshawdowed by the Steelers and will never regain the stature as the big name in town.

BlacknGold Bleeder
04-23-2006, 11:44 PM
IF, and that's a BIG IF, the Pirates could put together a few winning seasons they could return to a bigger stature. A winning season meaning above .500 and still in the race late in the season. Like you and me there are a ton of people that BLEED black n gold and will happily root for the home teams be it Steelers, Pirates or Pens!! I don't disagree with what Keaton said, it just could have been said at a more appropriate time and place!

83-Steelers-43
04-24-2006, 07:59 AM
IF, and that's a BIG IF, the Pirates could put together a few winning seasons they could return to a bigger stature. A winning season meaning above .500 and still in the race late in the season. Like you and me there are a ton of people that BLEED black n gold and will happily root for the home teams be it Steelers, Pirates or Pens!! I don't disagree with what Keaton said, it just could have been said at a more appropriate time and place!

No doubt and I agree completely. They still get a good crowd every year and they completely stink. Imagine if they made the playoffs what that ball park would look like every night? It's the same with the Penguins. They were still packing a nice crowd while being in last place and missing the playoffs for the last four years. We have the fans. We just don't have the ownership and in baseball, a hard cap or smart ownership.

As for Keaton. He was asked the question. It's not as if he stated those comments out of the clear blue. Personally, I would rather somebody tell me what's really on their mind than listen to the same sugarcoat that we hear from ownership, management and the media year after year. I can't blame a man for saying what's on his mind when asked. I actually respect it.

83-Steelers-43
04-24-2006, 08:16 AM
But there will be no outcry for the Pirates, likewise there has been and will not be an outcry for the Penguins who have been horrid in the past few years.

Well when it comes to the Penguins it's understandable. They have actually won two championships in the last 25 years and after those cups they were competitors. After four seasons of not making the playoffs heads started to talk. After this past season the media and fans were stating that Patrick had to go and now, he's gone. The Pirates on the other hand, kept Mac around longer than they should have and they give Littlefield his yearly extension. I wish I could get an extension for sucking at my job. That would be awesome to have that type of job security don't you think?

Being horrid over the past fews and being horrid over the last thirteen is just a tad bit different.