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MasterOfPuppets
01-07-2011, 02:27 AM
George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.
His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.
The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.
Remarkably, little of Bush's dealings with Germany has received public scrutiny, partly because of the secret status of the documentation involving him. But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust survivors against the Bush family, and the imminent publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush's business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W, as he seeks re-election.
While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war.
Tantalising

Bush was also on the board of at least one of the companies that formed part of a multinational network of front companies to allow Thyssen to move assets around the world.
Thyssen owned the largest steel and coal company in Germany and grew rich from Hitler's efforts to re-arm between the two world wars. One of the pillars in Thyssen's international corporate web, UBC, worked exclusively for, and was owned by, a Thyssen-controlled bank in the Netherlands. More tantalising are Bush's links to the Consolidated Silesian Steel Company (CSSC), based in mineral rich Silesia on the German-Polish border. During the war, the company made use of Nazi slave labour from the concentration camps, including Auschwitz. The ownership of CSSC changed hands several times in the 1930s, but documents from the US National Archive declassified last year link Bush to CSSC, although it is not clear if he and UBC were still involved in the company when Thyssen's American assets were seized in 1942.
Three sets of archives spell out Prescott Bush's involvement. All three are readily available, thanks to the efficient US archive system and a helpful and dedicated staff at both the Library of Congress in Washington and the National Archives at the University of Maryland.
The first set of files, the Harriman papers in the Library of Congress, show that Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder of a number of companies involved with Thyssen.
The second set of papers, which are in the National Archives, are contained in vesting order number 248 which records the seizure of the company assets. What these files show is that on October 20 1942 the alien property custodian seized the assets of the UBC, of which Prescott Bush was a director. Having gone through the books of the bank, further seizures were made against two affiliates, the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation. By November, the Silesian-American Company, another of Prescott Bush's ventures, had also been seized.
The third set of documents, also at the National Archives, are contained in the files on IG Farben, who was prosecuted for war crimes.
A report issued by the Office of Alien Property Custodian in 1942 stated of the companies that "since 1939, these (steel and mining) properties have been in possession of and have been operated by the German government and have undoubtedly been of considerable assistance to that country's war effort".
Prescott Bush, a 6ft 4in charmer with a rich singing voice, was the founder of the Bush political dynasty and was once considered a potential presidential candidate himself. Like his son, George, and grandson, George W, he went to Yale where he was, again like his descendants, a member of the secretive and influential Skull and Bones student society. He was an artillery captain in the first world war and married Dorothy Walker, the daughter of George Herbert Walker, in 1921.
In 1924, his father-in-law, a well-known St Louis investment banker, helped set him up in business in New York with Averill Harriman, the wealthy son of railroad magnate E H Harriman in New York, who had gone into banking.
One of the first jobs Walker gave Bush was to manage UBC. Bush was a founding member of the bank and the incorporation documents, which list him as one of seven directors, show he owned one share in UBC worth $125.
The bank was set up by Harriman and Bush's father-in-law to provide a US bank for the Thyssens, Germany's most powerful industrial family.
August Thyssen, the founder of the dynasty had been a major contributor to Germany's first world war effort and in the 1920s, he and his sons Fritz and Heinrich established a network of overseas banks and companies so their assets and money could be whisked offshore if threatened again.
By the time Fritz Thyssen inherited the business empire in 1926, Germany's economic recovery was faltering. After hearing Adolf Hitler speak, Thyssen became mesmerised by the young firebrand. He joined the Nazi party in December 1931 and admits backing Hitler in his autobiography, I Paid Hitler, when the National Socialists were still a radical fringe party. He stepped in several times to bail out the struggling party: in 1928 Thyssen had bought the Barlow Palace on Briennerstrasse, in Munich, which Hitler converted into the Brown House, the headquarters of the Nazi party. The money came from another Thyssen overseas institution, the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvarrt in Rotterdam.
By the late 1930s, Brown Brothers Harriman, which claimed to be the world's largest private investment bank, and UBC had bought and shipped millions of dollars of gold, fuel, steel, coal and US treasury bonds to Germany, both feeding and financing Hitler's build-up to war.
Between 1931 and 1933 UBC bought more than $8m worth of gold, of which $3m was shipped abroad. According to documents seen by the Guardian, after UBC was set up it transferred $2m to BBH accounts and between 1924 and 1940 the assets of UBC hovered around $3m, dropping to $1m only on a few occasions.
In 1941, Thyssen fled Germany after falling out with Hitler but he was captured in France and detained for the remainder of the war.
There was nothing illegal in doing business with the Thyssens throughout the 1930s and many of America's best-known business names invested heavily in the German economic recovery. However, everything changed after Germany invaded Poland in 1939. Even then it could be argued that BBH was within its rights continuing business relations with the Thyssens until the end of 1941 as the US was still technically neutral until the attack on Pearl Harbor. The trouble started on July 30 1942 when the New York Herald-Tribune ran an article entitled "Hitler's Angel Has $3m in US Bank". UBC's huge gold purchases had raised suspicions that the bank was in fact a "secret nest egg" hidden in New York for Thyssen and other Nazi bigwigs. The Alien Property Commission (APC) launched an investigation.
There is no dispute over the fact that the US government seized a string of assets controlled by BBH - including UBC and SAC - in the autumn of 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy act. What is in dispute is if Harriman, Walker and Bush did more than own these companies on paper.
Erwin May, a treasury attache and officer for the department of investigation in the APC, was assigned to look into UBC's business. The first fact to emerge was that Roland Harriman, Prescott Bush and the other directors didn't actually own their shares in UBC but merely held them on behalf of Bank voor Handel. Strangely, no one seemed to know who owned the Rotterdam-based bank, including UBC's president.
May wrote in his report of August 16 1941: "Union Banking Corporation, incorporated August 4 1924, is wholly owned by the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V of Rotterdam, the Netherlands. My investigation has produced no evidence as to the ownership of the Dutch bank. Mr Cornelis [sic] Lievense, president of UBC, claims no knowledge as to the ownership of the Bank voor Handel but believes it possible that Baron Heinrich Thyssen, brother of Fritz Thyssen, may own a substantial interest."
May cleared the bank of holding a golden nest egg for the Nazi leaders but went on to describe a network of companies spreading out from UBC across Europe, America and Canada, and how money from voor Handel travelled to these companies through UBC.
By September May had traced the origins of the non-American board members and found that Dutchman HJ Kouwenhoven - who met with Harriman in 1924 to set up UBC - had several other jobs: in addition to being the managing director of voor Handel he was also the director of the August Thyssen bank in Berlin and a director of Fritz Thyssen's Union Steel Works, the holding company that controlled Thyssen's steel and coal mine empire in Germany.
Within a few weeks, Homer Jones, the chief of the APC investigation and research division sent a memo to the executive committee of APC recommending the US government vest UBC and its assets. Jones named the directors of the bank in the memo, including Prescott Bush's name, and wrote: "Said stock is held by the above named individuals, however, solely as nominees for the Bank voor Handel, Rotterdam, Holland, which is owned by one or more of the Thyssen family, nationals of Germany and Hungary. The 4,000 shares hereinbefore set out are therefore beneficially owned and help for the interests of enemy nationals, and are vestible by the APC," according to the memo from the National Archives seen by the Guardian.
Red-handed

MasterOfPuppets
01-07-2011, 02:28 AM
Jones recommended that the assets be liquidated for the benefit of the government, but instead UBC was maintained intact and eventually returned to the American shareholders after the war. Some claim that Bush sold his share in UBC after the war for $1.5m - a huge amount of money at the time - but there is no documentary evidence to support this claim. No further action was ever taken nor was the investigation continued, despite the fact UBC was caught red-handed operating a American shell company for the Thyssen family eight months after America had entered the war and that this was the bank that had partly financed Hitler's rise to power.
The most tantalising part of the story remains shrouded in mystery: the connection, if any, between Prescott Bush, Thyssen, Consolidated Silesian Steel Company (CSSC) and Auschwitz.
Thyssen's partner in United Steel Works, which had coal mines and steel plants across the region, was Friedrich Flick, another steel magnate who also owned part of IG Farben, the powerful German chemical company.
Flick's plants in Poland made heavy use of slave labour from the concentration camps in Poland. According to a New York Times article published in March 18 1934 Flick owned two-thirds of CSSC while "American interests" held the rest.
The US National Archive documents show that BBH's involvement with CSSC was more than simply holding the shares in the mid-1930s. Bush's friend and fellow "bonesman" Knight Woolley, another partner at BBH, wrote to Averill Harriman in January 1933 warning of problems with CSSC after the Poles started their drive to nationalise the plant. "The Consolidated Silesian Steel Company situation has become increasingly complicated, and I have accordingly brought in Sullivan and Cromwell, in order to be sure that our interests are protected," wrote Knight. "After studying the situation Foster Dulles is insisting that their man in Berlin get into the picture and obtain the information which the directors here should have. You will recall that Foster is a director and he is particularly anxious to be certain that there is no liability attaching to the American directors."
But the ownership of the CSSC between 1939 when the Germans invaded Poland and 1942 when the US government vested UBC and SAC is not clear.
"SAC held coal mines and definitely owned CSSC between 1934 and 1935, but when SAC was vested there was no trace of CSSC. All concrete evidence of its ownership disappears after 1935 and there are only a few traces in 1938 and 1939," says Eva Schweitzer, the journalist and author whose book, America and the Holocaust, is published next month.
Silesia was quickly made part of the German Reich after the invasion, but while Polish factories were seized by the Nazis, those belonging to the still neutral Americans (and some other nationals) were treated more carefully as Hitler was still hoping to persuade the US to at least sit out the war as a neutral country. Schweitzer says American interests were dealt with on a case-by-case basis. The Nazis bought some out, but not others.
The two Holocaust survivors suing the US government and the Bush family for a total of $40bn in compensation claim both materially benefited from Auschwitz slave labour during the second world war.
Kurt Julius Goldstein, 87, and Peter Gingold, 85, began a class action in America in 2001, but the case was thrown out by Judge Rosemary Collier on the grounds that the government cannot be held liable under the principle of "state sovereignty".
Jan Lissmann, one of the lawyers for the survivors, said: "President Bush withdrew President Bill Clinton's signature from the treaty [that founded the court] not only to protect Americans, but also to protect himself and his family."
Lissmann argues that genocide-related cases are covered by international law, which does hold governments accountable for their actions. He claims the ruling was invalid as no hearing took place.
In their claims, Mr Goldstein and Mr Gingold, honorary chairman of the League of Anti-fascists, suggest the Americans were aware of what was happening at Auschwitz and should have bombed the camp.
The lawyers also filed a motion in The Hague asking for an opinion on whether state sovereignty is a valid reason for refusing to hear their case. A ruling is expected within a month.
The petition to The Hague states: "From April 1944 on, the American Air Force could have destroyed the camp with air raids, as well as the railway bridges and railway lines from Hungary to Auschwitz. The murder of about 400,000 Hungarian Holocaust victims could have been prevented."
The case is built around a January 22 1944 executive order signed by President Franklin Roosevelt calling on the government to take all measures to rescue the European Jews. The lawyers claim the order was ignored because of pressure brought by a group of big American companies, including BBH, where Prescott Bush was a director.
Lissmann said: "If we have a positive ruling from the court it will cause [president] Bush huge problems and make him personally liable to pay compensation."
The US government and the Bush family deny all the claims against them.
In addition to Eva Schweitzer's book, two other books are about to be published that raise the subject of Prescott Bush's business history. The author of the second book, to be published next year, John Loftus, is a former US attorney who prosecuted Nazi war criminals in the 70s. Now living in St Petersburg, Florida and earning his living as a security commentator for Fox News and ABC radio, Loftus is working on a novel which uses some of the material he has uncovered on Bush. Loftus stressed that what Prescott Bush was involved in was just what many other American and British businessmen were doing at the time.
"You can't blame Bush for what his grandfather did any more than you can blame Jack Kennedy for what his father did - bought Nazi stocks - but what is important is the cover-up, how it could have gone on so successfully for half a century, and does that have implications for us today?" he said.
"This was the mechanism by which Hitler was funded to come to power, this was the mechanism by which the Third Reich's defence industry was re-armed, this was the mechanism by which Nazi profits were repatriated back to the American owners, this was the mechanism by which investigations into the financial laundering of the Third Reich were blunted," said Loftus, who is vice-chairman of the Holocaust Museum in St Petersburg.
"The Union Banking Corporation was a holding company for the Nazis, for Fritz Thyssen," said Loftus. "At various times, the Bush family has tried to spin it, saying they were owned by a Dutch bank and it wasn't until the Nazis took over Holland that they realised that now the Nazis controlled the apparent company and that is why the Bush supporters claim when the war was over they got their money back. Both the American treasury investigations and the intelligence investigations in Europe completely bely that, it's absolute horseshit. They always knew who the ultimate beneficiaries were."
"There is no one left alive who could be prosecuted but they did get away with it," said Loftus. "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averill Harriman [to be prosecuted] for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany."
Loftus said Prescott Bush must have been aware of what was happening in Germany at the time. "My take on him was that he was a not terribly successful in-law who did what Herbert Walker told him to. Walker and Harriman were the two evil geniuses, they didn't care about the Nazis any more than they cared about their investments with the Bolsheviks."
What is also at issue is how much money Bush made from his involvement. His supporters suggest that he had one token share. Loftus disputes this, citing sources in "the banking and intelligence communities" and suggesting that the Bush family, through George Herbert Walker and Prescott, got $1.5m out of the involvement. There is, however, no paper trail to this sum.
The third person going into print on the subject is John Buchanan, 54, a Miami-based magazine journalist who started examining the files while working on a screenplay. Last year, Buchanan published his findings in the venerable but small-circulation New Hampshire Gazette under the headline "Documents in National Archives Prove George Bush's Grandfather Traded With the Nazis - Even After Pearl Harbor". He expands on this in his book to be published next month - Fixing America: Breaking the Stranglehold of Corporate Rule, Big Media and the Religious Right.
In the article, Buchanan, who has worked mainly in the trade and music press with a spell as a muckraking reporter in Miami, claimed that "the essential facts have appeared on the internet and in relatively obscure books but were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes".
Buchanan suffers from hypermania, a form of manic depression, and when he found himself rebuffed in his initial efforts to interest the media, he responded with a series of threats against the journalists and media outlets that had spurned him. The threats, contained in e-mails, suggested that he would expose the journalists as "traitors to the truth".
Unsurprisingly, he soon had difficulty getting his calls returned. Most seriously, he faced aggravated stalking charges in Miami, in connection with a man with whom he had fallen out over the best way to publicise his findings. The charges were dropped last month.
Biography

Buchanan said he regretted his behaviour had damaged his credibility but his main aim was to secure publicity for the story. Both Loftus and Schweitzer say Buchanan has come up with previously undisclosed documentation.
The Bush family have largely responded with no comment to any reference to Prescott Bush. Brown Brothers Harriman also declined to comment.
The Bush family recently approved a flattering biography of Prescott Bush entitled Duty, Honour, Country by Mickey Herskowitz. The publishers, Rutledge Hill Press, promised the book would "deal honestly with Prescott Bush's alleged business relationships with Nazi industrialists and other accusations".
In fact, the allegations are dealt with in less than two pages. The book refers to the Herald-Tribune story by saying that "a person of less established ethics would have panicked ... Bush and his partners at Brown Brothers Harriman informed the government regulators that the account, opened in the late 1930s, was 'an unpaid courtesy for a client' ... Prescott Bush acted quickly and openly on behalf of the firm, served well by a reputation that had never been compromised. He made available all records and all documents. Viewed six decades later in the era of serial corporate scandals and shattered careers, he received what can be viewed as the ultimate clean bill."
The Prescott Bush story has been condemned by both conservatives and some liberals as having nothing to do with the current president. It has also been suggested that Prescott Bush had little to do with Averill Harriman and that the two men opposed each other politically.
However, documents from the Harriman papers include a flattering wartime profile of Harriman in the New York Journal American and next to it in the files is a letter to the financial editor of that paper from Prescott Bush congratulating the paper for running the profile. He added that Harriman's "performance and his whole attitude has been a source of inspiration and pride to his partners and his friends".
The Anti-Defamation League in the US is supportive of Prescott Bush and the Bush family. In a statement last year they said that "rumours about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush ... have circulated widely through the internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated ... Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathiser."
However, one of the country's oldest Jewish publications, the Jewish Advocate, has aired the controversy in detail.
More than 60 years after Prescott Bush came briefly under scrutiny at the time of a faraway war, his grandson is facing a different kind of scrutiny but one underpinned by the same perception that, for some people, war can be a profitable business.

CaliStillersFan
01-12-2011, 07:09 AM
They'll figure out this NWO thing one day Master, one way or another. I love to see people waking up and seeking the truth. Keep up the good fight bro, we shall prevail one day.

MasterOfPuppets
01-13-2011, 12:46 AM
They'll figure out this NWO thing one day Master, one way or another. I love to see people waking up and seeking the truth. Keep up the good fight bro, we shall prevail one day.
the problem is not enough people are waking up. hell i can't even get the people here to watch the video's i've offered up. if nothing else they'd make for a great topic of discussion. :noidea:

i bet most people , like myself until i watched the video , wasn't aware that john hinckley ( reagans would be assasin )
was friends with the bush family.

Hinckley - Bush Family
Friend - Nears Release

John Hinckley Jr., who shot Ronald Reagan in 1981, is about to be partially released from confinement after testimony from government psychiatrists. Hinckley's family and the family of President George W. Bush have long, complicated ties that have been little reported. Hinckley's brother was scheduled to have dinner at the home of the current President Bush's brother the day after the assassination attempt.
http://www.rense.com/general45/hink.htm

the dots are there , if anybody bothers to connect them. most people are just happy to let the agenda pushing media handlers do it for them , weather it be the truth or not.

MasterOfPuppets
01-13-2011, 03:06 AM
i'd also like to point out, that karl roves grandfather was a nazi state party chairman , and arnold schwarzenneggers father volunteered for the nazi SA and became a ranking officer.
did everybody know arnie was pushing to change the constitution so that foriegners could run for presidency ? did you know bush , the great american that he is , is 100% behind the idea of changing our constitution for arnie ?
i believe when the pres is sworn in it goes something like... i swear to PRESERVE , protect , and defend the constitution of the unted states....

lionslicer
01-14-2011, 09:23 PM
i'd also like to point out, that karl roves grandfather was a nazi state party chairman , and arnold schwarzenneggers father volunteered for the nazi SA and became a ranking officer.
did everybody know arnie was pushing to change the constitution so that foriegners could run for presidency ? did you know bush , the great american that he is , is 100% behind the idea of changing our constitution for arnie ?
i believe when the pres is sworn in it goes something like... i swear to PRESERVE , protect , and defend the constitution of the unted states....

If they didn't change the constitution we'd still have slaves and woman couldn't vote lol.

And is this whole thread about saying republicans are Nazi's?

CaliStillersFan
01-15-2011, 01:40 AM
It actually has nothing to do with republicans or democrats, don't just read Bush and Hitler and think this is some bash on republicans. Try turning off the cable news and figure out what is going on in the world. At least view the video and make up your own mind.

MasterOfPuppets
01-15-2011, 01:50 AM
If they didn't change the constitution we'd still have slaves and woman couldn't vote lol.

And is this whole thread about saying republicans are Nazi's?
no it's about how certain facts about our politicians and the things that go on in this country and in the world , seems to go unreported in our media.
don't you find it strange that 2 of our presidents were neighbors and friends of the man that tried to kill a president ? coincidence ?
do you find it strange that 2 of our presidents were business partners with the family of a man that "supposedly" planned 9-11 ? coincedence ?
don't you find it strange that right after 9-11 , when no planes were supposed to be flying , a bunch of bin ladens family members were flown out of the US to saudi arabia ?

tony hipchest
01-15-2011, 01:58 AM
grandpa bush also appears to be a grave robber who dabbled in satanic sorcery. it is well known that if you sell your soul to the devil, you will be rewarded with all the earthly riches (such as money and power) one could desire.

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=7149&highlight=skull

i saw this on the news last night. geronimos descendants are trying to retrieve the local heros remains from the secret yale society (skull and bones) to give him a proper burial in the gila wilderness where he was born.

http://www.sploid.com/news/2006/05/skull_bones_sto.php

heres a petition to congress to retrieve the remains:

http://www.petitiononline.com/Geronimo/petition.html

"To: U.S. Congress
To the Congress of the United States of America,

In 1918, the President's grandfather, Prescott Bush, and several accomplices desecrated the grave of Apache holy man Geronimo at Ft. Sill, OK. The men removed Geronimo's head and a prized silver bridle which had been buried with him. Using acid and amid laughter, they stripped Geronimo's head of hair and flesh. They then took their "trophies" back to Yale University and put them on display in the clubhouse of the secret fraternity "Skull & Bones."

MasterOfPuppets
01-15-2011, 04:16 AM
grandpa bush also appears to be a grave robber who dabbled in satanic sorcery. it is well known that if you sell your soul to the devil, you will be rewarded with all the earthly riches (such as money and power) one could desire.

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=7149&highlight=skull

isn't it strange how these, so called ,"christian" ,politicians , engage in these mock human sacrifice rituals , that the skull and bones perform. is it also not strange that the skull and bones use many of the same symbols that hitler and the nazi party used ?
wjy do you think the media didn't fill in all those good christian folk that bush swindled into voting for him under the guise of being christian , that his lil "club" , brings in homosexual prostitutes to , "service" the members at their little private party ?

why wasn't the media hammering arnold during his campaign about posing nude for a gay mens magazine ?

MasterOfPuppets
01-15-2011, 05:03 AM
Arnold openly supported Kurt Waldheim, Former UN chief and a former Austrian politician who participated in Nazi atrocities during World War II. Schwarzenegger's name remained on Waldheim's campaign posters, even after allegations of Waldheim's war crimes were brought to light. Waldheim was even invited to Arnold's wedding.
His father was a member of the Austrian Nazi Party (http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1006-08.htm) who volunteered for the infamous SA and became a ranking officer. In the early '90s, Spy Magazine printed his father's Nazi Party membership in their magazine.
After several public claims of racism were made against him that could effect his career and long-term political chances, Schwarzenegger donated substantial sums to the Simon Weisenthal Center in Los Angeles and commissioned an "audit" of his father's nazi past, essentially buying off potential criticism. He never distanced himself from Kurt Waldheim, however -- quite the opposite. He made a statement to friends (http://slate.msn.com/id/2086742/), saying "My friends don't want me to mention Kurt's name, because of all the recent Nazi stuff and the U.N. controversy, but I love him and Maria does too, and so thank you, Kurt."
March 1992 Spy Magazine article (http://www.s-t.com/daily/12-96/12-25-96/c06ae100.htm) mentions a story confirmed by "a businessman and longtime friend of Schwarzenegger's" -- that in the '70s Arnold "enjoyed playing and giving away records of Hitler's speeches."
Schwarzenegger reportedly said on-camera during the filming of "Pumping Iron" that he "admired" Hitler. The footage was not used in the final version of the movie.
He has also talked of dreaming of being a dictator (http://www.infowars.com/print/nwo/dictator_dreams.htm)- " I didn't think about money. I thought about the fame, about just being the greatest. I was dreaming about being some dictator of a country or some savior like Jesus . . ."

The Truth About Arnold Schwarzenegger
http://www.arnoldexposed.com/arnold.htm

and people voted for this assclown ??? :banging:

yeah... lets make him the leader of the entire country... he did such wonderful things for california ...:doh:

43Hitman
01-15-2011, 12:40 PM
George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.
His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.
The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.
Remarkably, little of Bush's dealings with Germany has received public scrutiny, partly because of the secret status of the documentation involving him. But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust survivors against the Bush family, and the imminent publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush's business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W, as he seeks re-election.
While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war.
Tantalising

Bush was also on the board of at least one of the companies that formed part of a multinational network of front companies to allow Thyssen to move assets around the world.
Thyssen owned the largest steel and coal company in Germany and grew rich from Hitler's efforts to re-arm between the two world wars. One of the pillars in Thyssen's international corporate web, UBC, worked exclusively for, and was owned by, a Thyssen-controlled bank in the Netherlands. More tantalising are Bush's links to the Consolidated Silesian Steel Company (CSSC), based in mineral rich Silesia on the German-Polish border. During the war, the company made use of Nazi slave labour from the concentration camps, including Auschwitz. The ownership of CSSC changed hands several times in the 1930s, but documents from the US National Archive declassified last year link Bush to CSSC, although it is not clear if he and UBC were still involved in the company when Thyssen's American assets were seized in 1942.
Three sets of archives spell out Prescott Bush's involvement. All three are readily available, thanks to the efficient US archive system and a helpful and dedicated staff at both the Library of Congress in Washington and the National Archives at the University of Maryland.
The first set of files, the Harriman papers in the Library of Congress, show that Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder of a number of companies involved with Thyssen.
The second set of papers, which are in the National Archives, are contained in vesting order number 248 which records the seizure of the company assets. What these files show is that on October 20 1942 the alien property custodian seized the assets of the UBC, of which Prescott Bush was a director. Having gone through the books of the bank, further seizures were made against two affiliates, the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation. By November, the Silesian-American Company, another of Prescott Bush's ventures, had also been seized.
The third set of documents, also at the National Archives, are contained in the files on IG Farben, who was prosecuted for war crimes.
A report issued by the Office of Alien Property Custodian in 1942 stated of the companies that "since 1939, these (steel and mining) properties have been in possession of and have been operated by the German government and have undoubtedly been of considerable assistance to that country's war effort".
Prescott Bush, a 6ft 4in charmer with a rich singing voice, was the founder of the Bush political dynasty and was once considered a potential presidential candidate himself. Like his son, George, and grandson, George W, he went to Yale where he was, again like his descendants, a member of the secretive and influential Skull and Bones student society. He was an artillery captain in the first world war and married Dorothy Walker, the daughter of George Herbert Walker, in 1921.
In 1924, his father-in-law, a well-known St Louis investment banker, helped set him up in business in New York with Averill Harriman, the wealthy son of railroad magnate E H Harriman in New York, who had gone into banking.
One of the first jobs Walker gave Bush was to manage UBC. Bush was a founding member of the bank and the incorporation documents, which list him as one of seven directors, show he owned one share in UBC worth $125.
The bank was set up by Harriman and Bush's father-in-law to provide a US bank for the Thyssens, Germany's most powerful industrial family.
August Thyssen, the founder of the dynasty had been a major contributor to Germany's first world war effort and in the 1920s, he and his sons Fritz and Heinrich established a network of overseas banks and companies so their assets and money could be whisked offshore if threatened again.
By the time Fritz Thyssen inherited the business empire in 1926, Germany's economic recovery was faltering. After hearing Adolf Hitler speak, Thyssen became mesmerised by the young firebrand. He joined the Nazi party in December 1931 and admits backing Hitler in his autobiography, I Paid Hitler, when the National Socialists were still a radical fringe party. He stepped in several times to bail out the struggling party: in 1928 Thyssen had bought the Barlow Palace on Briennerstrasse, in Munich, which Hitler converted into the Brown House, the headquarters of the Nazi party. The money came from another Thyssen overseas institution, the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvarrt in Rotterdam.
By the late 1930s, Brown Brothers Harriman, which claimed to be the world's largest private investment bank, and UBC had bought and shipped millions of dollars of gold, fuel, steel, coal and US treasury bonds to Germany, both feeding and financing Hitler's build-up to war.
Between 1931 and 1933 UBC bought more than $8m worth of gold, of which $3m was shipped abroad. According to documents seen by the Guardian, after UBC was set up it transferred $2m to BBH accounts and between 1924 and 1940 the assets of UBC hovered around $3m, dropping to $1m only on a few occasions.
In 1941, Thyssen fled Germany after falling out with Hitler but he was captured in France and detained for the remainder of the war.
There was nothing illegal in doing business with the Thyssens throughout the 1930s and many of America's best-known business names invested heavily in the German economic recovery. However, everything changed after Germany invaded Poland in 1939. Even then it could be argued that BBH was within its rights continuing business relations with the Thyssens until the end of 1941 as the US was still technically neutral until the attack on Pearl Harbor. The trouble started on July 30 1942 when the New York Herald-Tribune ran an article entitled "Hitler's Angel Has $3m in US Bank". UBC's huge gold purchases had raised suspicions that the bank was in fact a "secret nest egg" hidden in New York for Thyssen and other Nazi bigwigs. The Alien Property Commission (APC) launched an investigation.
There is no dispute over the fact that the US government seized a string of assets controlled by BBH - including UBC and SAC - in the autumn of 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy act. What is in dispute is if Harriman, Walker and Bush did more than own these companies on paper.
Erwin May, a treasury attache and officer for the department of investigation in the APC, was assigned to look into UBC's business. The first fact to emerge was that Roland Harriman, Prescott Bush and the other directors didn't actually own their shares in UBC but merely held them on behalf of Bank voor Handel. Strangely, no one seemed to know who owned the Rotterdam-based bank, including UBC's president.
May wrote in his report of August 16 1941: "Union Banking Corporation, incorporated August 4 1924, is wholly owned by the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V of Rotterdam, the Netherlands. My investigation has produced no evidence as to the ownership of the Dutch bank. Mr Cornelis [sic] Lievense, president of UBC, claims no knowledge as to the ownership of the Bank voor Handel but believes it possible that Baron Heinrich Thyssen, brother of Fritz Thyssen, may own a substantial interest."
May cleared the bank of holding a golden nest egg for the Nazi leaders but went on to describe a network of companies spreading out from UBC across Europe, America and Canada, and how money from voor Handel travelled to these companies through UBC.
By September May had traced the origins of the non-American board members and found that Dutchman HJ Kouwenhoven - who met with Harriman in 1924 to set up UBC - had several other jobs: in addition to being the managing director of voor Handel he was also the director of the August Thyssen bank in Berlin and a director of Fritz Thyssen's Union Steel Works, the holding company that controlled Thyssen's steel and coal mine empire in Germany.
Within a few weeks, Homer Jones, the chief of the APC investigation and research division sent a memo to the executive committee of APC recommending the US government vest UBC and its assets. Jones named the directors of the bank in the memo, including Prescott Bush's name, and wrote: "Said stock is held by the above named individuals, however, solely as nominees for the Bank voor Handel, Rotterdam, Holland, which is owned by one or more of the Thyssen family, nationals of Germany and Hungary. The 4,000 shares hereinbefore set out are therefore beneficially owned and help for the interests of enemy nationals, and are vestible by the APC," according to the memo from the National Archives seen by the Guardian.
Red-handed

You got a link for all of this? Not saying you're making this up, I would just like to see it in its original form.

SteelerEmpire
01-15-2011, 01:23 PM
If only the war went on long enough for Germany at the time of the development of the A-Bomb. Engineered by a Jew (Robert Oppenheimer and 90% of Manhattan Project scientists, Jews) and the most important part of the Physics (Einstein's "E=mc2") also, Jew ... the closest thing we have to "literal hell" would have been unleashed on the 3td Reich... darn, just missed em'...

lionslicer
01-15-2011, 02:36 PM
no it's about how certain facts about our politicians and the things that go on in this country and in the world , seems to go unreported in our media.
don't you find it strange that 2 of our presidents were neighbors and friends of the man that tried to kill a president ? coincidence ?
do you find it strange that 2 of our presidents were business partners with the family of a man that "supposedly" planned 9-11 ? coincedence ?
don't you find it strange that right after 9-11 , when no planes were supposed to be flying , a bunch of bin ladens family members were flown out of the US to saudi arabia ?

Isn't it strange how you care? Isn't it strange how politicians have always been liars and people think they're awesome because they dug something up about their past?
Go read about the past and family history of Obama, Jimmy Carter, Woodrow Wilson. I could care less who you attack and for whatever reason, but atleast keep it fair and attack people from both parties, because you'll find out they all suck and no one should have ever voted for them

MasterOfPuppets
01-15-2011, 03:28 PM
You got a link for all of this? Not saying you're making this up, I would just like to see it in its original form.
make it up ? i didn't write the article ..:doh: just google the words "bush" and "nazi" , i'm sure you'll find this article and thousands more on the subject.
here's another one ....

Bush - Nazi Link Confirmed


by John Buchanan, The New Hampshire Gazette, October 10, 2003


WASHINGTON - After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners.
The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury and FBI, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle and German law.
Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, continued their dealings with the German industrial baron for nearly eight months after the U.S. entered the war.
No Story?
For six decades these historical facts have gone unreported by the mainstream U.S. media. The essential facts have appeared on the Internet and in relatively obscure books, but were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes. This story has also escaped the attention of "official" Bush biographers, Presidential historians and publishers of U.S. history books covering World War II and its aftermath.
The White House did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.
The Summer of '42
continued....
http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bush-nazilinkconfirmed.htm

MasterOfPuppets
01-15-2011, 03:31 PM
Isn't it strange how you care? Isn't it strange how politicians have always been liars and people think they're awesome because they dug something up about their past?
Go read about the past and family history of Obama, Jimmy Carter, Woodrow Wilson. I could care less who you attack and for whatever reason, but atleast keep it fair and attack people from both parties, because you'll find out they all suck and no one should have ever voted for them
ok JR ....the adults are trying to have a conversation... why don't you go outside and play...:coffee:

lionslicer
01-15-2011, 04:21 PM
ok JR ....the adults are trying to have a conversation... why don't you go outside and play...:coffee:

I didn't say anything imature other than you just being one of those anti government conspiracy theorists who thinks Bush is a nazi who planned 9/11 so he could go to the middle east and get cheap gas for america.

I really seriously don't care, but I'd rather give some consistancy to an arguement to show there are 2 sides of the story. Even if I don't believe in it, just a personal belief, block me

43Hitman
01-15-2011, 07:41 PM
make it up ? i didn't write the article ..:doh: just google the words "bush" and "nazi" , i'm sure you'll find this article and thousands more on the subject.
here's another one ....



Like I said, I"M not accusing you of making it up, you should provide links though, especially if you want people to take you seriously. Also, Lionslicer makes a great point, because there are lots of scrupulous ties to criminals from the Obama, Clinton, Wilson, Carter administrations.

You certainly can't expect people to just take your word for it. Especially when they aren't even your words. Provide links, so I can check out your assertions for myself. No one is going to go on a wild goose chase just because you say its so.


So in closing, links or it didn't happen.

MasterOfPuppets
01-15-2011, 09:02 PM
Like I said, I"M not accusing you of making it up, you should provide links though, especially if you want people to take you seriously. Also, Lionslicer makes a great point, because there are lots of scrupulous ties to criminals from the Obama, Clinton, Wilson, Carter administrations.

You certainly can't expect people to just take your word for it. Especially when they aren't even your words. Provide links, so I can check out your assertions for myself. No one is going to go on a wild goose chase just because you say its so.


So in closing, links or it didn't happen.

well i provided you a knew article with a link , so do you want to challenge how valid the source is ?
but anywho , this wasn't meant to be a partisan pissing match over what party is the bigger scumbags. i think they run neck - n - neck in that race. ... my focal point is on the media. why do / did , they fail to let americans in on some pretty heavy duty skeletons in certain politician closets ? i mean there's arnie shwartzy on record saying he admires hitler , and dreams of being a dictator of a country :doh:
why have i never heard this in the main stream media ? is it insignificant ? would voters have just laughed and said " oh that silly arnie" ? would christian republican voters have just let it slide that arnie posed nude for a gay magazine ?

if you've got some dirt that isn't common knowledge on lib scumbags , by all means share it...:thumbsup:

BrandonCarr39
01-16-2011, 09:39 PM
There's also another part of the story to Nazi Germany they don't teach you in today's public school education(which is pretty much been propagandized by the United Nations and the NWO) - the elite bankers/Rothchilds/Rockefellers roles in it. Hitler was evil, yes, but like Obama, he was just a puppet for the shadow governments in this world. Ultimately, the bankers making a killing off of this war.

This is largely the big engineer for all of these wars in this world - MONEY.

tony hipchest
01-16-2011, 10:52 PM
Go read about the past and family history of Obama, Jimmy Carter, Woodrow Wilson. I could care less who you attack and for whatever reason, but atleast keep it fair and attack people from both parties, because you'll find out they all suck and no one should have ever voted for them

Also, Lionslicer makes a great point, because there are lots of scrupulous ties to criminals from the Obama, Clinton, Wilson, Carter administrations.

.

since 2007 the overwhelming majority of posters in the locker room have posted how obama is an islamic satanist, or a satanic communist, or how all liberals are evil socialists, the liberal media is evil, and we had a board administration who approved and encouraged that right wing agenda.

i really dont think anyone needs to propogate that message just to show the other side of the coin.

nobody demanded the republicans point out what MOP is currently pointing out (and if they did, it was ignored). and since his main point is about the supposed evil leftist media protecting these right wing politicians, i see no reason why this should be a

bu..bu..bu.. obama thread.

ricardisimo
01-17-2011, 08:43 AM
There's also another part of the story to Nazi Germany they don't teach you in today's public school education(which is pretty much been propagandized by the United Nations and the NWO) - the elite bankers/Rothchilds/Rockefellers roles in it. Hitler was evil, yes, but like Obama, he was just a puppet for the shadow governments in this world. Ultimately, the bankers making a killing off of this war.

This is largely the big engineer for all of these wars in this world - MONEY.
Bingo. There was a lesson in Nazi Germany for the bankers and munitioners as well, as it turned out, where they got just the sort of fanatical political movement and government to fund endless war... but then lost control of the fanatics. Beautiful scene in the movie Cabaret that captures that moment.

And yet the lesson was lost, as they are once again hoping to install a fanatical right government here in the US. God help America.

43Hitman
01-17-2011, 04:20 PM
since 2007 the overwhelming majority of posters in the locker room have posted how obama is an islamic satanist, or a satanic communist, or how all liberals are evil socialists, the liberal media is evil, and we had a board administration who approved and encouraged that right wing agenda.

i really dont think anyone needs to propogate that message just to show the other side of the coin.

nobody demanded the republicans point out what MOP is currently pointing out (and if they did, it was ignored). and since his main point is about the supposed evil leftist media protecting these right wing politicians, i see no reason why this should be a

bu..bu..bu.. obama thread.

Still waiting on those links though...And I surely wasn't trying to start a finger pointing match. If there are links and evidence to prove what the OP is saying, then I'll be obliged to say as much, but at the moment all we have is a wall of text with no links to substantiate said assertion. On top of that the only person(s) being indited here are on the right side of the coin, all I was pointing out is that there are claims of the same crap against the left side of the coin and they should be addressed also. After all, it shouldn't matter what team is doing the shady shit, we should all despise it regardless what team we root for. In the end it's about a better country, not party.

Edit: I certainly don't know why you felt it necessary to invoke past moderation towards my post, since I in no way interjected them into this convo. Is this a preemptive strike?

MasterOfPuppets
01-17-2011, 04:49 PM
Still waiting on those links though...And I surely wasn't trying to start a finger pointing match. If there are links and evidence to prove what the OP is saying, then I'll be obliged to say as much, but at the moment all we have is a wall of text with no links to substantiate said assertion. On top of that the only person(s) being indited here are on the right side of the coin, all I was pointing out is that there are claims of the same crap against the left side of the coin and they should be addressed also. After all, it shouldn't matter what team is doing the shady shit, we should all despise it regardless what team we root for. In the end it's about a better country, not party.

Edit: I certainly don't know why you felt it necessary to invoke past moderation towards my post, since I in no way interjected them into this convo. Is this a preemptive strike?
i think you need to go back and re read posts # 15 & 19 .... i provided a link and the article provided the source of their proof.... what more do you need ?

by John Buchanan, The New Hampshire Gazette, October 10, 2003
http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bush-nazilinkconfirmed.htm

After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner

The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury and FBI, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist

as i said if you've got dirt on lefties that the media thought was insignificant enough to run with, then post it up .
the only reason i brought up the politicians that i did, was because those were the ones i just found out the dirt on... and the point being , why have i never heard these things in our media ?

here's an informative video with a title that the righties can pull their pud over , but despite the title its really not a party bashing subject. it illustrates how both parties are serving the very same masters.

The Obama Deception
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

eAaQNACwaLw

43Hitman
01-17-2011, 06:37 PM
http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bush...kconfirmed.htm[/url]

You're kidding right? Clearly that site has no agenda. I'll tell ya what though, later tonight when the family is in bed, I'll spend the two hours to watch that video.

P.S. All of the references from the link you provided are non-existent. Except for the last one, but they report that this has been in the mainstream media for years. :noidea:

MasterOfPuppets
01-17-2011, 07:16 PM
You're kidding right? Clearly that site has no agenda. I'll tell ya what though, later tonight when the family is in bed, I'll spend the two hours to watch that video.

P.S. All of the references from the link you provided are non-existent. Except for the last one, but they report that this has been in the mainstream media for years. :noidea:
and my question to you is , is what you've read here the first you've ever heard of this ? have you ever heard it in the media ?

like i said , if you don't like the source , there's plenty of others to choose from... i'll even do the google search for you...:popcorn:
http://www.google.com/search?q=bush+nazi+link+confirmed&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=bush+nazi+family+connections&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

zulater
01-18-2011, 03:26 PM
http://www.beyondweird.com/ufos/One_Who_Knows_Fire_From_The_Sky_Part_30.html


Joe Kennedy ( father of Ted, JFK, and Bobby) was pro nazi too before the war. The fact is for a long time quite a few people hid their head in the sand about the true nature of Hitler and the Nazi party. Anti semitism was alive and well in America as well as Europe at the time, how the hell do you think Hitler came into power in the first place?

So regardless of what Bush Sr's fathers prewar views were, the fact is GWB sr. was a Navy Airman who risked his life fighting for the American cause in WW II, just as Joseph Kennedy's son's served with honor in the same cause. In fact Joe Jr. made the ultimate sacrifice for his country, so perhaps that's why their bad pre war judgement has been glossed over by historians and not been used to tarnish the careers of their legacies.

I loved my father, and he was a good man, but he came from a different time, and I wouldn't want some of the viewpoints that he held earliar in his life attributed to me.

BrandonCarr39
01-18-2011, 05:42 PM
Bingo. There was a lesson in Nazi Germany for the bankers and munitioners as well, as it turned out, where they got just the sort of fanatical political movement and government to fund endless war... but then lost control of the fanatics. Beautiful scene in the movie Cabaret that captures that moment.

And yet the lesson was lost, as they are once again hoping to install a fanatical right government here in the US. God help America.

By any chance, have you ever heard of Zionism, or better yet, "Christian" Zionism?

The latter is the belief that there will be a "rapture" of the church before the fan hits the ceiling, and there will be a final 7 year tribulation largely focused on the state of Israel.

It was the Vatican that opened the doors for all of this nonsense when the Protestant Reformation exposed them as the Revelation 13 beast system, and 2 Jesuits made up Futurism(meaning there would be a 1 world antichrist leader for the last 3.5 years) and Preterism(meaning that the book of Revelation happened in 70 AD). It was because of this the likes of John Darby and Scofield came up with some nonsense 7 year tribulation, rapture of the church, antichrist person, the last years largely focused on the state of Israel. And Darby and Scofield BADLY misinterpreted that Daniel 9:27 passage(which REALLY talks about Jesus Christ confirming the NEW covenant, and NOT some antichrist signing a peace deal to set up the 7 year trib) to back up their nonsense.

For the record, yes, there are prophecies in the bible which could happen again, ala a One World Government system ala the days of Daniel in King Nebechenezzer's time. However, to say the book of Revelation hasn't happened until the last 3.5 to 7 years...no, the prophecies in this book has slowly but surely happened OVER TIME.

SteelerEmpire
02-18-2013, 08:04 AM
Well this explains a lot then.

MACH1
02-18-2013, 10:35 AM
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSOfOOkMTsOfUjO5MMwig9Q7ocKdLEnn ZTToDDzoDCi4BO8JZay

SteelersCanada
02-18-2013, 11:33 AM
Is there anything dumber on the internet than the Obama Deception? Maybe the 'Sandy Hook Truther' movement.

Bayz101
02-18-2013, 12:34 PM
Not to mention Vlad the impaler is on his family tree. Hell, take a look at ALL presidents family tree, including Obama.

Vincent
02-18-2013, 07:03 PM
grandpa bush also appears to be a grave robber who dabbled in satanic sorcery. it is well known that if you sell your soul to the devil, you will be rewarded with all the earthly riches (such as money and power) one could desire.

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=7149&highlight=skull

It has been suggested that both sides of W's lineage are rather dark...

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/04/george-w-bush-barbara-bush-and.html

But to the OP, 40 some years ago I was a statistician at this rather sprawling complex (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Frankfurt-H%C3%B6chst+Farbwerke,+Frankfurt+am+Main+West+6592 9+Frankfurt,+Darmstadt,+Hesse,+Germany&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&geocode=Fa5v_AIdMB6CAA&split=0) outside Frankfurt Germany called Farbwerke Hoechst. It covers 2 by 2 miles on both sides of the Main River. While Frankfurt and Hoechst to the East were all but destroyed by the 8th Air Force, not a single bomb fell on that complex save one dropped by a fighter pilot returning home as a "target of opportunity". Evidently he didn't get the memo that bombing the IG Farben plant was verboten. Yes, that IG Farben. That was the very plant where Zyklon B was developed and manufactured. I know this because daily I walked past the barracks that housed the humans on which that and other "chemicals" were "tested".

"Why", one might ask, wasn't that complex leveled? A significant piece of IG Farben was owned by "American interests". Not uncommon, really.

For more fun, read (http://www.amazon.com/IBM-Holocaust-Strategic-Alliance-Corporation-Expanded/dp/0914153277/ref=la_B001ITTDX2_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1361235517&sr=1-2) these (http://www.amazon.com/Nazi-Nexus-Corporate-Connections-Holocaust/dp/0914153099/ref=la_B001ITTDX2_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1361235517&sr=1-3).

Quackjack
02-20-2013, 06:24 AM
Is there anything dumber on the internet than the Obama Deception? Maybe the 'Sandy Hook Truther' movement.

Shhh.... you might wake up the wild conservatives...