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Ohio Steeler
04-27-2006, 12:52 AM
well he hit #711 tonight and is now four homers from passing Babe Ruth for second on the career list and 45 away from breaking Hank Aaron's mark of 755.

PisnNapalm
04-27-2006, 06:14 AM
I hope Barry falls flat on his face 1 short of the Babe.

clevestinks
04-27-2006, 07:35 AM
I hope Barry falls flat on his face 1 short of the Babe.
I dont, I hope he breaks the all time mark! This guy has a great eye for the ball, even if he did steroids, he is not on them now! And he still hits the shit out of the ball

Suitanim
04-27-2006, 08:57 AM
Oh my. You should read this article.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=klosterman/060411


By Chuck Klosterman
Page 2


This essay appears in the April 24 issue of ESPN The Magazine.

At some point in the immediate to near future, someone is going to throw Barry Bonds a strike when he should be seeing a ball, and he will rake it with extreme prejudice. His propulsive, compact swing will rock the sphere toward the roof of the troposphere; it will fall to earth roughly 440 feet from where Bonds is standing, and he will react as if he is: (a) unimpressed or (b) vaguely annoyed.

He will then jog 360 feet, and some people will cheer, and some people will have mixed feelings, and some people will have mixed feelings while they cheer. And that is because this particular raking will be the 715th home run of Bonds' career, meaning he will have surpassed the home run production of George Herman "Babe" Ruth.

This is a problem.

It is not a problem the way global warming is a problem, nor is it a problem the way throat cancer is a problem. But it's a problem for anyone who considers sports to be a meaningful prism through which to understand life and culture. It's a problem for future historians, which means it's a problem for us right now. The problem is this: It's an achievement of disenchantment. And that applies to pretty much everyone involved, including you.

The reason we keep statistics -- and the reason we care about statistical milestones -- is that we assume some sort of emotional experience will accompany their creation and obliteration. These moments are supposed to embody ideas that transcend the notion of grown men playing children's games; these moments are supposed to be a positive amalgamation of awe, evolution, inspiration, admiration and the macrobiotic potential of man. But the recent success of Bonds contains only two of those qualities, and maybe only the first.

It's hard to feel good about that. Bonds is a self-absorbed, unlikable person who has an adversarial relationship with the world at large, and he has (almost certainly) used unethical, unnatural means to accomplish feats that actively hurt baseball. His statistical destruction of Ruth is metaphoric, but not in a good way. It's an indictment of modernity, even for people who don't give a damn about the past or the present.

Bonds probably doesn't care about any of this, and I'm not necessarily certain he should. But the rest of us are left in a curious quandary: How do we reconcile a massive, momentous achievement that is neither wholly real nor socially good? In a vacuum, Bonds might be the greatest hitter who ever lived. But we don't live in a vacuum. We live in the world.

This is a problem. It's a big problem composed of five smaller problems, and they're all kind of important.

Problem 1: The end of numbers -- in the only realm where numbers matter

At this point in history, no one considers baseball as popular as football or as culturally relevant as basketball. But baseball is still the intellectual game; it's the game most compelling to the likes of Ken Burns and George Will and Yo La Tengo, and that's at least partially due to the quantitative import of its record keeping. Baseball is the only sport where numbers always seem meaningful, and it's the only sport where a numeric comparison between players of different eras is even halfway reasonable. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar scored almost 7,000 more career points than Wilt Chamberlain did, but no one would ever suggest that Abdul-Jabbar was the superior, or even comparable, offensive force. Baseball is the only game where categories like batting average and slugging percentage have objective meaning, and it's the one sport where specific cumulative plateaus (3,000 hits, 300 wins) are regularly used as guidelines for the Hall of Fame. It's the only game where sabermetrics could exist and be taken seriously. Unlike football and basketball, baseball exists within a hard reality.

Steroids, and Bonds in particular, have probably changed that forever. Performance-enhancing drugs create two problems for baseball's bean counters -- one of which is predictable and one of which is not. The first, obviously, is that they enhance performance. The second is that these performances are enhanced to a degree that's completely unclear. In the case of Bonds, it would appear that the improvement has been profound: At an age (37) when his skills should have been diminishing, he hit 24 more home runs than he ever had before. But that still tells us very little about the specific impact of steroid use.

There is no way to quantify the intangible components of injecting yourself with drugs that make you better. How much of this increased production was due to Bonds' newfound sense of mental invincibility? How much was due to the realization by opposing pitchers that Bonds was: (a) totally juiced up and therefore (b) impossible to overpower? Moreover, it's not like steroids magically turn spray hitters into Magnus Ver Magnusson; they mostly help hitters (and pitchers) recover faster from workouts, which allows them to train harder and more often. Does this mean "the cream" and "the clear" made Bonds into a freakish superman, or does it mean they merely allowed him to become the natural superfreak he always had the potential to be? These are questions we can never answer.

It would be absurd to argue that Bonds' hitting assault over the past six years is completely inauthentic or even mildly unimpressive. It is, however, relatively meaningless. Because steroids make the values of all modern statistics confusing and incomparable, they also diminish the two things baseball had going for it: history and math. Everything that's happened in major league baseball since approximately 1995 is now potentially useless, which ultimately means that everything since '95 is completely useless. And this will continue to have an effect in the future, even if steroids and human growth hormone are completely eliminated from the game.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the maximum number of home runs an organic, free-range, unenhanced baseball player can hit in a 162-game schedule is 65. Perhaps a 65-homer season is the limit of human potential and as close to power-hitting perfection as any normal person can achieve. If someone were to do this in 2016, would anyone even care? It's hard to imagine how 65 legitimate home runs could ever seem as stunning as the 73 semi-fake ones we've already seen.

Problem 2: We were all fools and now we have to pretend we weren't


Part of what makes Bonds' alleged juicing so troubling, if we are to believe the exhaustively researched book "Game of Shadows," is that it appears so brazen. Many of us -- including his own mistress -- swear that the man's head has physically increased in size, which is generally not a consequence of aging. His cheating seems stupidly obvious. But nobody seemed to perceive this obviousness until we had no other choice.

In 1998, Mark McGwire hit 70 home runs and Sammy Sosa clubbed 66. McGwire looked like a bipedal Clydesdale swinging an elm tree; he was somehow far stronger at age 34 than he had been 10 years before. Sosa was (supposedly) only 29 in 1998, which seemed slightly more reasonable; of course, he happened to be a 29-year-old man with acne, so that was a little weird. But people loved these jovial manimals, and people wanted to see the never-beloved Roger Maris erased from the record books, and people casually wondered if maybe there was something wrong with the actual baseballs. Americans tend to be conspiracy theorists, but we're not particularly skeptical.

The situation with Bonds is different. The evidence is overwhelming, and the protagonist isn't heroic. Moreover, his chemistry experiments are going to have a consequence no one is happy about: Bonds will supplant Ruth, the most enduring sports figure of the 20th century. Everybody knows this, and there's nothing anyone can do.

It's too late. And because we all let this happen -- because we ignored what now seems obvious about McGwire and dozens of other hitters in the late '90s -- we will have to retrospectively reinvent how those experiences felt. Barry Bonds will force people to change their recent memories so they correspond with a new frame of reference, which is how historical revisionism generally occurs.

Suitanim
04-27-2006, 08:58 AM
Part 2

Problem 3: Tomorrow, today will be yesterday -- and Bonds will represent what that was like

In November 2000, the United States held a presidential election, and nobody knew who won, so we just kind of made up an outcome and tried to act like that was normal. Less than a year later, airplanes flew into office buildings, and everybody cried for two months. And then Enron went bankrupt, and the U.S. started acting like a rogue state, and "The Simple Life" premiered, and gasoline became unaffordable, and our Olympic basketball team lost to Puerto Rico, and we reelected the same president we never really elected in the first place. Later, there would be some especially devastating hurricanes and three Oscars for an especially bad movie called "Crash."

Things, as they say, have been better.

I'm only 33 years old, so I'll concede that my life experience is limited. But the past five years have been an especially depressing stretch to be an American, and I don't think many people of any age would disagree with that sentiment (except for maybe Kelly Clarkson ... things seem to be working out OK for her). If it's the era of anything, it's the Era of Predictable Disillusionment: a half-decade in which many long-standing fears about how America works (and what America has come to represent) were gradually -- and then suddenly -- hammered into the collective consciousness of just about everyone, including all the people who hadn't been paying attention to begin with.

This will not be lost on future historians. In 50 or 100 years, they will search for events within the popular culture that supposedly embodied the zeitgeist of the time. Some of these people will use sports, not unlike the way contemporary historians might use Muhammad Ali as a means to define the 1960s. As these future historians try to explain what was wrong with the world in the early 21st century, I suspect they will use Barry Bonds. Here was a man accomplishing unbelievable things -- things so unbelievable that they literally should not have been believed, even as they were happening. But we did not really believe or disbelieve. We just sort of watched it happen, and then we watched it get out of control, and then we expressed shock without feeling a grain of surprise, and then we tried to figure out how we were supposed to reconcile an alien reality we unconsciously understood all along. So if you're wondering how to feel about Barry's passing Babe, here's one option: You can feel like you're experiencing how the present tense will be understood in the future.

Problem 4: What Bonds says is occasionally true -- and why this makes things worse

A mound of evidence suggests that Bonds has been less than honest about steroids. But it seems like he's been honest about a lot of other things. "The last time I played baseball was in college," he said in his grand jury testimony during the BALCO case. He said almost the exact same thing to The New York Times Magazine in 2002: "The last game I played was in college. Ever since then, it's been a business. This is a business."

So far as I can tell, this is the only plausible explanation for Bonds' alleged decision to use performance-enhancing drugs: the idea of not using them seemed ridiculous. It did not strike him as unethical, because for Bonds, this is not a moral issue. Who possibly worries about such matters? The goal is to do business. This is a job.

It's important to realize that the way you view baseball and the way Barry Bonds views baseball have almost no relationship whatsoever. You likely view Bonds' life as somewhat extraordinary; he absolutely does not. There has never been a single moment in his existence when being around superstar ballplayers was peculiar. Bonds' father was an All-Star outfielder, his godfather is Willie Mays and his distant cousin is Reggie Jackson. And Bonds has never played on a team for which he wasn't the best player. You could argue that he has never played against anyone as talented as himself. He has always been rich, always been dominant. Fame has always seemed normative. So any deeper meaning we may place on how steroids will affect the sanctity of the game is -- to Bonds -- irrelevant and probably preposterous. Baseball holds as much symbolic value to him as delivering the mail does to a postman.

This is what makes Bonds frustrating: It's entirely possible that he views his actions more reasonably than everyone else does. When I consider the choices he made, I find myself thinking, "Why?" He was already the best player of his generation. But then I realize that my question is reflexive. The reason Bonds would jeopardize his legacy is because he doesn't view it as a legacy -- he views it as a responsibility he doesn't particularly like. Part of what makes him unlikable is that he doesn't care how other people expect him to think. Part of what makes him unlikable is the fact that he's so shrewd.

Early in "Game of Shadows," authors Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams try to illustrate what motivated Bonds to inject chemicals into his rump, and they suggest that his actions were driven by jealousy and, to a lesser extent, race. "They're just letting him do it because he's a white boy," Bonds supposedly said of McGwire's steroid-fueled run at the single-season home run mark. This statement makes Bonds seem as paranoid as Richard Nixon. How, one wonders, could unseen puppet masters be pulling the strings behind the home run race? It all seems crazy.

But, then again, nobody ever wrote a takedown book on Mark McGwire. I'm not sure anyone even considered it.

Nixon wasn't always wrong.

Problem 5: Babe Ruth doesn't exist -- and probably never did

We are all familiar with the story of Babe Ruth; it's the classic American narrative. He was born inside a burning saloon. As a teen, he was persuaded to become a southpaw pitcher through the guidance of a priest impressed by the boy's ability to consume entire turkeys during brunch. As he matured, Ruth found he was able to hit 600-foot home runs for dying children without the use of a bat. His on-field excellence was punctuated by an ability to drink whole kegs of beer while making love to nine women simultaneously, none of whom was his wife. When the Red Sox traded his rights to the Yankees, 560 people died in a mud slide. Ruth served as Warren G. Harding's secretary of state, albeit briefly. He also weighed in the neighborhood of 18,000 pounds and once won a best-of-three-falls wrestling match against Man o' War, the horse he later ate.

For all practical -- and statistical -- purposes, Ruth wasn't a real person. In 1927 he hit 60 home runs, exactly twice as many as NL co-champs Hack Wilson and Cy Williams hit; when Ruth retired in 1935, he had hit 714 homers, more than twice as many as Lou Gehrig, the man in second place. In 1925, he got a tummy ache, and it was one of the biggest stories of the year. He revolutionized the game, captivated radio audiences, built houses, inspired candy bars and was used as an epithet by Japanese soldiers during the war. Ruth has been dead for 57 years, and he is still substantially more famous than Barry Bonds.

But Bonds is going to pass him, and no one knows how to feel. Ruth was a troubling person, but he's a wonderful idea; Bonds is a troubling person who's an empty idea. For his entire career, Barry Bonds has embodied nothing. Now he will embody only this, and "this" isn't good for anyone. He's just compiling numbers we don't trust, and they are as colossal as they are meaningless. To care about these home runs is to care about nothing.

David Grann's 2002 profile of Bonds in The New York Times Magazine was titled "Baseball Without Metaphor." It ended with a rhetorical query. "But for the moment, as the crowd settled back into its seats, there were no heroes or demons," Grann wrote while awaiting Bonds' next at-bat, back when his home run total still hovered below 600. "Just baseball. Isn't that enough?"

No.

clevestinks
04-27-2006, 01:13 PM
Sorry guysI like Bonds, this is America innocent til proven guilty. No positive drug test, kepp hitting home runs!

83-Steelers-43
04-27-2006, 01:50 PM
It would serve Bonds right if he suffers a Jason Kendall injury while sitting on 713 homers. Then the 2007 season gets wiped out by a labor stoppage. Then he spends the 2008 season in the federal pokey for perjury and tax evasion.

Trouble is, he has such a huge ego that he'd come back and sign with the Royals in 2009 and play DH for however long it takes to pass Aaron. :dang:

It'll be a travesty when he does. They should go back and find out how many home runs Aaron hit in the Negro Leagues and add those to his total. Or at least however many they can verify.

I agree. It's a sad day for baseball when he takes Ruth's record. Don't forget, he doesn't want Aaron's record, he wants Ruth's because Ruth was white. Remember? Juiced up scumbag with an attitude problem who also enjoys beating his wife and having a mistress. Yeah, that's the type of human being I want to break records and cheer on. He will probably take Ruth's record, but he will always be a bum in my eyes and as long as generations to come know this, his records mean nothing.

clevestinks
04-27-2006, 03:46 PM
I agree. It's a sad day for baseball when he takes Ruth's record. Don't forget, he doesn't want Aaron's record, he wants Ruth's because Ruth was white. Remember? Juiced up scumbag with an attitude problem who also enjoys beating his wife and having a mistress. Yeah, that's the type of human being I want to break records and cheer on. He will probably take Ruth's record, but he will always be a bum in my eyes and as long as generations to come know this, his records mean nothing.
My question is should we take back football records also, or super bowls? We all know the Steelers of the seventies were juicing, and so was everybody else though. But should those records have astericks? He cannot be on juice now, and at 41 is as dangerous as any player when pitched to.

83-Steelers-43
04-27-2006, 03:56 PM
My question is should we take back football records also, or super bowls? We all know the Steelers of the seventies were juicing, and so was everybody else though. But should those records have astericks? He cannot be on juice now, and at 41 is as dangerous as any player when pitched to.

I never stated anybody's records should be taken away. There's nothing you can do. I just simply pointed out that in my eye's, his records mean nothing. It's no different than Sosa or McGuire with me. I don't need an asterisk or erased records to know what these guys "accomplished". For me, when it comes to Bonds, it's not just about steroids with this bum, it's the way he handles himself off field that makes him even more disgusting and pathetic in my opinion.

As I stated before, I can't root for a person like Barry Bonds. It's not just about the steroids and record breaking with me. I would rather see a guy that has class and isn't pumped up on roids break the records. Just my preference.

tony hipchest
04-27-2006, 04:08 PM
It'll be a travesty when he does. They should go back and find out how many home runs Aaron hit in the Negro Leagues and add those to his total. Or at least however many they can verify. or just give the record to the negro leagues josh gibson, with his 800+. (isnt he buried in the allegheny cemetary?)

83-Steelers-43
04-27-2006, 04:12 PM
(isnt he buried in the allegheny cemetary?)

Yes he is.

clevestinks
04-28-2006, 08:48 AM
I never stated anybody's records should be taken away. There's nothing you can do. I just simply pointed out that in my eye's, his records mean nothing. It's no different than Sosa or McGuire with me. I don't need an asterisk or erased records to know what these guys "accomplished". For me, when it comes to Bonds, it's not just about steroids with this bum, it's the way he handles himself off field that makes him even more disgusting and pathetic in my opinion.

As I stated before, I can't root for a person like Barry Bonds. It's not just about the steroids and record breaking with me. I would rather see a guy that has class and isn't pumped up on roids break the records. Just my preference.
Point taken!

tony hipchest
04-28-2006, 05:02 PM
Yes he is.

i was always told the allegheny is the 2nd largest in the u.s. (arlington being #1) true?

theres certain things i ALWAYS do when i go to pittsburgh.

kennywood
carnegie museum
ballgame
incline
gateway clipper (most of the time)
walk across 40th st bridge
skip stones on the river
and i NEVER miss a walk through the cemetary

never to visit anyone (although next visit it will be) its just an awesome cemetary.

BBC
04-28-2006, 05:14 PM
A little bit of me wants him to break the record so that he will just retire and we can stop hearing his name on ESPN. He is a scumbag, plain and simple.

On the innocent until proven guilty comment: Didn't Barry already admit to "unknowingly" taking steriods?

83-Steelers-43
04-28-2006, 05:14 PM
Yeah TH, it's second to Arlington.

Suitanim
04-29-2006, 02:00 PM
There is a HUGE difference between the 70's Steelers and Bond's. 1st, there was NO proof of any kind other than a sour grapes guy making a claim. There were no guys suddenly bulking up and improving past their prime. I'd say it's almost a certainty that the Steelers DID NOT juice.

As far as Bonds, you'd have to be blind to not think the guy is juicing. I mean, c'mon, it's a 100% certainty that he was...he just was able to stay one step ahead of the MLB with the best masking techniques. All the signs are there...zits, extra bone growth in the head, knee's, elbow's, ability to recover from workouts faster than guys half his age, etc, etc...plus, consider this. The MLB has a code just like cops do, but a ton of MLB'ers are willing to come forward and state that Bond's cheated.

clevestinks
04-29-2006, 06:46 PM
My point is only that we have no idea what anybody from he past was on. No proof that Aaron, or Ruth or anybody. Not all steroids bulk you up!

SteelerDan43
04-29-2006, 08:32 PM
My point is only that we have no idea what anybody from he past was on. No proof that Aaron, or Ruth or anybody. Not all steroids bulk you up!

Well at least in my opinion the steroid use (which he did admit too) is only part of the problem. He has always been a jagoff to put it lightly. Its always Barry's way or the highway. That video him blowing up at Leyland just pisses me off everytime I see it. You dont yell at your coach, he is the coach you are the player you do what he says no matter how much you disagree, that is the way it is done. He has had an overall bad effect on the game. Now we have guys suffering from "Barry" syndrome ala the Delmon Young incident. Guys like Aaron were genuinely good guys which makes people want to root for him. Barry has been and always will be a Punk that thinks he is too good for the game

clevestinks
04-30-2006, 09:17 AM
I agree that Barry is a jackass, but Ruth was no angel either. Alot of the biggest superstars are jerkoffs, Pete Rose, Ty Cobb, etc,

Mosca
05-02-2006, 02:10 PM
I'd say it's almost a certainty that the Steelers DID NOT juice.

And I'd say it's almost a certainty that they DID juice, the offensive line did anyhow. I'd run into those guys in bars. Courson was an unholy terror, all covered with acne and looking for a fight with anyone. Webster and Jon Kolb looked like they were pumped full of water, they were so puffy, and Kolb was covered with acne too; these were men in their late 20s with the skin of 13 year olds. Extra bone growth on the head? Courson had a ridge like a Neanderthal, and Kolb and Webby's heads were huge. And after Kolb retired, all of a sudden he lost 75 lbs and looked normal! Sam Davis, probably not. I never met Mullins or Mansfield. the only other player I would suspect (from those I saw or met around town back then) would be Bleier.

Of course, this is my opinion, based on recollections of almost 30 years ago. I'll add that back then we all just assumed they were juiced (especially Courson, Kolb, and Webster) and left it at that; to suggest they weren't seemed ludicrous.


Tom

Mosca
05-02-2006, 03:29 PM
My best memory coincides with what you say; no one thought Franco, Brad, Mel, Greene, White, Lambert, etc were juiced. It was the O line.

Consider that after Kolb retired he was the "strength coach".


Tom

Suitanim
05-03-2006, 09:44 AM
Well, there's still a HUGE difference between those old classy guys and Barroid.

tony hipchest
05-03-2006, 11:05 AM
Courson and Webster admitted it.

Don't know about the others--even without juice, players can slim down significantly after they retire. I rode on a Mardi Gras float with Mark Stepnoski last year, and he looks a lot thinner now than he did when he was in the NFL. (And I doubt he was juicing because they had testing when he played).

I'd bet most of the Steelers--especially at the skill positions--didn't juice.

stepnoski is a very high profile and active member of n.o.r.m.l the national org. for marijuana legalization. he was smoking pot his whole career. then again, what cowboy wasnt.

also look at mark schlereth when hes on tv. he looks smaller than sean salsbury. hard to believe he was an offensive lineman.

Ambridge
05-04-2006, 08:09 PM
I don't know if it's been covered but did anyone see the highlights of Bonds getting plinked in the head with the foul ball during yesterdays game.

I think he was sitting near or on the steps of the dugout and he got nailed by a foul ball in the forhead of his over grown 50lb coconut.

He was rolling around on the ground afterwards in pain and discomfort........it couldn't have happened to a better person.

tony hipchest
05-04-2006, 08:13 PM
i was wondering when somebody was gonna bring this up.

i was gonna put it in the "pow!, right in the kisser ptII" thread but figured it would need the video clip.

"50 lb coconut" :rofl: <barry

Ambridge
05-05-2006, 12:50 AM
I looked for a video clip but I couldn't find one but here's a picture after the fact.
Bonds got nailed during batting practice.
Reports have it that the cover on the ball that hit "Juiceman" came off and the remains unraveled into a large pile of twine.

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/_photos/2006-05-03-bonds-med.jpg

Blitzburgh55
05-06-2006, 11:34 PM
Im going to the phills vs giants game tommorow

MattsMe
05-06-2006, 11:54 PM
When George Foreman finally retired, he sold grills. I think when Bonds calls it quits he should come out with an infomercial selling juicers. "Get Juiced, with Barry Bonds!"

Suitanim
05-08-2006, 08:57 AM
More "Mr. Niceguy News"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/05/08/bonds.713.fan.ap/index.html

Something's missing
Fan gets Bonds' 713th ball, photo -- but no autograph

(The guy is also an Airman in our military)

83-Steelers-43
05-08-2006, 12:37 PM
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/05/06/sports/06bonds.600.jpg

:toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny::toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: PRICELESS!!!! :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:

clevestinks
05-08-2006, 12:49 PM
And another one leaves the yard for Bonds, one more to Ruth

83-Steelers-43
05-08-2006, 12:51 PM
As long as signs are put up like the one I posted above, he can hit as many as he wants. :sofunny:

I gotta tip my hat to Phillie fans....lol.

Suitanim
05-08-2006, 12:54 PM
As long as signs are put up like the one I posted above, he can hit as many as he wants. :sofunny:

I gotta tip my hat to Phillie fans....lol.

Bonds doesn't care...he only cares about one thing in this universe: Barry Bonds.

83-Steelers-43
05-08-2006, 12:59 PM
Bonds doesn't care...he only cares about one thing in this universe: Barry Bonds.

Oh I know he doesn't care. But as long as the rest of the country and more importantly the young kids who are currently playing little leauge ball see those signs, they will know the guy was nothing more than a bum.

clevestinks
05-08-2006, 03:41 PM
That sign is priceless! Wouldnt it be some shit though if Bonds ripped one right at the sign, and hit the author! Now that would be priceless

83-Steelers-43
05-08-2006, 04:26 PM
More "Mr. Niceguy News"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/05/08/bonds.713.fan.ap/index.html

Something's missing
Fan gets Bonds' 713th ball, photo -- but no autograph

(The guy is also an Airman in our military)

Another "great" moment in Barry Bonds history. Real classy. :rolleyes:

83-Steelers-43
05-08-2006, 04:37 PM
That sign is priceless! Wouldnt it be some shit though if Bonds ripped one right at the sign, and hit the author! Now that would be priceless

Well he has enough targets in this country to try and hit.............:rofl:

http://espn-att.starwave.com/photo/2006/0508/mlb_g_astericks_412.jpg

Prosdo
05-08-2006, 04:49 PM
I love that picture 83! I have always disliked Bonds.

Suitanim
05-08-2006, 05:29 PM
Sadly, we are probably only a day or two away from the great Bambino's record falling.

The nation should lower their flags to half-mast.

clevestinks
05-08-2006, 07:02 PM
When watching the specialon Bonds tonight, ESPN, muscle or not that homerun swing has not changed. Its the exact swing he had in Pittsburgh. Go Bonds.

Suitanim
05-08-2006, 07:45 PM
Just think...if Ruth would have juiced, he'd have probably hit 1,000 HR's, and this would all be a moot point.

clevestinks
05-08-2006, 08:08 PM
Just think...if Ruth would have juiced, he'd have probably hit 1,000 HR's, and this would all be a moot point.
Prove to me that he or Aaron didn`t? Thats what I don`t get we can`t go back and test anyone. Nolan Ryan? Roger Clemens? Pete Rose?

Black@Gold Forever32
05-08-2006, 08:26 PM
Well people seem to forget that Babe Ruth used a 40 ounce bat. Which is illegal today. Ruth also didn't face pitchers that threw sliders. Ruth also didn't play night games and travel to the west coast. Baseball has bullpen specialists and closers today that in Ruth's day didn't exist. Now I'm not sticking up for Barry Bonds he brought all of this on himself. Just saying you can't compare the eras anyway so why even try. Baseball has changed through the years like all sports.

Also for part of Ruth's career ground rule doubles counted as home runs. Trust me I don't think this added to much to Ruth's career homerun total. Just saying how rules and the overall game has changed from Ruth's time. I'm also not trying to take anything away from what Ruth did. He was one of the best of alltime no doubt.

Suitanim
05-08-2006, 08:47 PM
(Sigh)

I see nobody actually took the time to read the article. I'll post it again. This is bound to become the definitive "take" on what the Babe accomplished compared to what Bonds "accomplished"

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=klosterman/060411

Well people seem to forget that Babe Ruth used a 40 ounce bat. Which is illegal today. Ruth also didn't face pitchers that threw sliders. Ruth also didn't play night games and travel to the west coast. Baseball has bullpen specialists and closers today that in Ruth's day didn't exist. Now I'm not sticking up for Barry Bonds he brought all of this on himself. Just saying you can't compare the eras anyway so why even try. Baseball has changed through the years like all sports.

Also for part of Ruth's career ground rule doubles counted as home runs. Trust me I don't think this added to much to Ruth's career homerun total. Just saying how rules and the overall game has changed from Ruth's time. I'm also not trying to take anything away from what Ruth did. He was one of the best of alltime no doubt.

That's great...except for the fact that before Ruth, and his "uppercut" swing, nobody ever even thought of hitting homeruns to score runs. He literally changed the way the game was played, which makes some of your arguments redundant.

Also, the fact that he wouldn't play at night or travel West supports your argument in what way? That he played in less games?

The ESPN piece should be required reading for all pundits before they chime in...

Black@Gold Forever32
05-08-2006, 09:32 PM
I know what Babe accomplished. I happen to study the history of Baseball. So I don't need any history lessons from you my friend. But again Baseball has totally changed from the time Ruth played to today's current game. Did I take anything away from what Babe Ruth did? No I didn't. Just saying that the bat Ruth used in his day would be illegal in today's game. Ruth used a 40 ounce bat. Babe Ruth never faced a slider. Babe Ruth never had closers coming in fresh late in games.

About the night games and west coast travel. Those are all different elements that Ruth never had to deal with. Yea they do play in more games today. Ruth played in a 154 game schedule compared to the 162 game schedule of today. So an eight game difference. Again I wasn't taking anything away from the accomplishments of your almighty Babe Ruth. He was one of the best of alltime I never said he wasn't. So back off with your history lesson pal. No I didn't read the article. I have read enough about Babe Ruth in my life to make me sick already.

Black@Gold Forever32
05-08-2006, 09:44 PM
Sadly, we are probably only a day or two away from the great Bambino's record falling.

The nation should lower their flags to half-mast.

Babe Ruth doesn't hold the record anyway. He is in second place on the home run list. Hank Aaron's 755 is the record. I just find it funny that people get so worked up about somebody passing Ruth. He doesn't hold the record. Get all worked up if Bonds passes Aaron. Hank is the record holder news flash.

People need to get life when it comes to Babe Ruth. He wasn't God people. He was just a person. But even Yankee fans sent Roger Maris death threats when he broke the almighty Ruth's single season homer run record in 1961. So I shouldn't be suprised with the love fest people have with Babe Ruth.

Ambridge
05-08-2006, 09:47 PM
Prove to me that he or Aaron didn`t? Thats what I don`t get we can`t go back and test anyone. Nolan Ryan? Roger Clemens? Pete Rose?

C'mon cleve!
I hope you're just playing the devils advocate and don't really think that Henry Aaron or Babe Ruth used performance enhancing drugs.
I don't know the history of steroids but I'll guess the availability and existance of the drug probably was little to none back in those days when baseball players just played the game because they had the natural talent to do so.

BTW-It's great that Bonds still has his same swing mechanics but those aren't the observable tip offs that a player is using steroids.:cool:

BlackNGold203
05-08-2006, 10:12 PM
Sure...Bonds juiced....but I say...so what???

When he was juicing...was it actually illegal in baseball?

did he ever fail a piss test?

look...Im not real fond of him...and I understand the viewpoint of it not being fair....but he still has been one helluva baseball player...he was an ass when he played for the buccos...but what a coincidence!!!...zero winning seasons since he left!!!

He's hit 713 home runs...how many would he have hit if he was even pitched to over the past 4-5 years?

Did the pitchers in the 20's and 30's pitch around Ruth?...or Aaron in the 60's and 70's?

I think not...I'm sure I'll get flamed for this...i do not condone steroids by any means..Im glad theyre being outlawed....but to say all of this guys success was because of the juice is simply ridiculous

tony hipchest
05-08-2006, 10:40 PM
the cancellation of the 94 season, was much more of a travesty to baseball than all the roided up players if you ask me. yet that guffaw is pretty much forgotten. if it werent for the roided up players smacking the ball out of the park, alot of fans wouldnt even give a damn if the league folded.

nice add campaign MLB. "chicks dig the long ball". (maybe it was a nike add campaign, doesnt matter)

they reap what they sew.

sure it sucks that one of my favorite players is surrounded by a cloud of controversey, but its the same cloud that saved the sport. what was great then, is bad now. but in all reality, it was juiced players all the same.

look at doc gooden and d. strawberry. i dont see anyone suggesting they put an * by the mets champ. hell the pirates have a self admitted pitcher who played while on acid. these are not isolated cases. canseco and camenitti are just the ones who had nothing to lose by admitting what was really going on.

i enjoy a ballgame as much as the next person but it was ruined long before bonds approaching babes 714.

mlb only reacted to roids in baseball when they absolutely couldnt look the other way no longer. funny how there wasnt this crack down and outrage 10-12 years ago when the same players were saving their ass.

clevestinks
05-09-2006, 07:58 AM
C'mon cleve!
I hope you're just playing the devils advocate and don't really think that Henry Aaron or Babe Ruth used performance enhancing drugs.
I don't know the history of steroids but I'll guess the availability and existance of the drug probably was little to none back in those days when baseball players just played the game because they had the natural talent to do so.

BTW-It's great that Bonds still has his same swing mechanics but those aren't the observable tip offs that a player is using steroids.:cool:
It's great that Bonds still has his same swing mechanics but those aren't the observable tip offs that a player is using steroids.: I`m not saying it is, I`m just saying if you look at his swings of 10 years ago, and now, bat speed and everything has not changed. And Yes I am playing the devils advocate somewhat, during Aarons run say the 70`s steroids were everywhere, we need look past our own Steelers of the 70`s. Also I`m around steroid users daily, unfortunaley, I`m in the supplement business, there are drugs today that can bloat you, and make you larger that arent steroids. Prohormones, that actually work were just banned Jan,05. And if a company such as Balco has you try a new supplement, that they say isn`t a roid, and then you find out later that it is, are you really at fault, especially if you never tested positive. I deal with Gaspari Nutrition the most, very very reputible company but he two had two products pulled fromthe shelves in the last year.

Is it the roids, or just that Bonds is an A hole

Suitanim
05-09-2006, 08:47 AM
I know what Babe accomplished. I happen to study the history of Baseball. So I don't need any history lessons from you my friend. But again Baseball has totally changed from the time Ruth played to today's current game. Did I take anything away from what Babe Ruth did? No I didn't. Just saying that the bat Ruth used in his day would be illegal in today's game. Ruth used a 40 ounce bat. Babe Ruth never faced a slider. Babe Ruth never had closers coming in fresh late in games.

About the night games and west coast travel. Those are all different elements that Ruth never had to deal with. Yea they do play in more games today. Ruth played in a 154 game schedule compared to the 162 game schedule of today. So an eight game difference. Again I wasn't taking anything away from the accomplishments of your almighty Babe Ruth. He was one of the best of alltime I never said he wasn't. So back off with your history lesson pal. No I didn't read the article. I have read enough about Babe Ruth in my life to make me sick already.

Easy there, cheesy.

The article in question (which it's obvious you STILL haven't read) isn't a history lesson at all...then, if you'd take the time to read it, you'd KNOW that now, wouldn't you?

Bah, I'm done with this whole mess. Bonds is a POS, and it won't be long before even the few faithful in SF turn on him.

Ambridge
05-09-2006, 10:30 AM
Is it the roids, or just that Bonds is an A hole

IMO if Bonds wasn't such a documented jerk before he started closing in on the home run records...........and along with this whole steroid issue perhaps he wouldn't be so hated and villified.
The dislike for Bonds was already a bed of hot coals and the steroids was like dumping a can of gasoline on top of it.
I don't think the average sports fan really cares if Bonds passes Ruth and/or Aaron they just would like know that it was done in a fair and square fashion.

83-Steelers-43
05-11-2006, 07:15 AM
Doesn't sound like Ruth's relatives want anything to do with Barry Bonds..........http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06131/689250-63.stm

clevestinks
05-11-2006, 02:11 PM
I was surprised that SF Giants only filled 40,000 seats the other day, a day when he could have passed Ruth

83-Steelers-43
05-17-2006, 08:29 AM
Looks like Springer is not a Bonds fan.....lol. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5609860

Suitanim
05-17-2006, 09:25 AM
If you look at his recent numbers sans the juice:

Bonds has not homered in 26 at-bats since hitting 713 with a 450-foot shot in Philadelphia on May 7, going 4-for-26 during that stretch.

You have to wonder if he'd have even reached 600 without the roids.

tony hipchest
05-17-2006, 06:14 PM
how bout astros pitcher straight up throwing at bonds for 4-5 pitches before finally sticking him. 1st pitch was behind bonds almost hitting him in the ass, 2nd seemed to hit him on the wrist but it was the bat. 2 pitches up and in before russ springer finally connected on the shoulder. pretty chickenshit if you ask me.

good thing is someone tonight should get drilled.

CantStop85
05-17-2006, 09:16 PM
Here's hoping Bonds doesn't hit another HR this year and is forced to retire at the end of the season.

83-Steelers-43
05-17-2006, 09:22 PM
Here's hoping Bonds doesn't hit another HR this year and is forced to retire at the end of the season.

I'm sure he still has enough "juice" to smack another one out.

BBC
05-18-2006, 04:27 PM
how bout astros pitcher straight up throwing at bonds for 4-5 pitches before finally sticking him. 1st pitch was behind bonds almost hitting him in the ass, 2nd seemed to hit him on the wrist but it was the bat. 2 pitches up and in before russ springer finally connected on the shoulder. pretty chickenshit if you ask me.

good thing is someone tonight should get drilled.

I wish other pitchers would do it. If I were pitching I'd throw it at Bonds' head each and every time he stepped up to the plate. No way in hell would he hit it off of me.

83-Steelers-43
05-18-2006, 04:29 PM
Remember the days when pitchers owned the plate? Now we have modern day knights in armor (Bonds, Kendall) hogging the plate. Expect it. Some pitchers are tired of that B.S.

TheTruestBlackGoldFan
05-18-2006, 09:08 PM
Am i the only person on this planet that likes Barry Bonds? Does anybody know what it must be like to be in HIS world everyday...everyone hates him. When i saw him pick up the syringe off of the field I had soo much pity for him. He is a GREAT baseball player and im almost positive that if he was still playing for the pirates playing the way he is known for then there wouldn't be many posts from pittsburghers saying they hate him. If anybody saw what i saw in his eyes when he bent down and picked up that syringe then you would show pity towards him also. I want him to pass Babe and Hank and immidietly retire, just to get the scrutiny and hatered over with. I didn't follow what happened to that fan but i know that they went way to far with that one. They deserve to ROT IN HELL!

BBC
05-18-2006, 09:17 PM
Am i the only person on this planet that likes Barry Bonds? Does anybody know what it must be like to be in HIS world everyday...everyone hates him. When i saw him pick up the syringe off of the field I had soo much pity for him. He is a GREAT baseball player and im almost positive that if he was still playing for the pirates playing the way he is known for then there wouldn't be many posts from pittsburghers saying they hate him. If anybody saw what i saw in his eyes when he bent down and picked up that syringe then you would show pity towards him also. I want him to pass Babe and Hank and immidietly retire, just to get the scrutiny and hatered over with. I didn't follow what happened to that fan but i know that they went way to far with that one. They deserve to ROT IN HELL!

How hard it must be filthy rich as a result of cheating. I have zero pity for the man. Everything that happens to him, he brought upon himself. Not to say that he deserves it, but it is all his doing. How rough it must be for the guy that is about to make history and is rolling in dough without having to work for any of it. :rolleyes: Don't try to play that card with me, it won't work.

BBC
05-18-2006, 09:31 PM
Am i the only person on this planet that likes Barry Bonds? Does anybody know what it must be like to be in HIS world everyday...everyone hates him. When i saw him pick up the syringe off of the field I had soo much pity for him. He is a GREAT baseball player and im almost positive that if he was still playing for the pirates playing the way he is known for then there wouldn't be many posts from pittsburghers saying they hate him. If anybody saw what i saw in his eyes when he bent down and picked up that syringe then you would show pity towards him also. I want him to pass Babe and Hank and immidietly retire, just to get the scrutiny and hatered over with. I didn't follow what happened to that fan but i know that they went way to far with that one. They deserve to ROT IN HELL!

How hard it must be filthy rich as a result of cheating. I have zero pity for the man. Everything that happens to him, he brought upon himself. Not to say that he deserves it, but it is all his doing. How rough it must be for the guy that is about to make history and is rolling in dough without having to work for any of it. :rolleyes: Don't try to play that card with me, it won't work.

SteelerDan43
05-18-2006, 10:45 PM
Bonds wasnt exactally an angel while he was here, even then he was a jagoff

83-Steelers-43
05-20-2006, 04:56 PM
The scumbag POS tied "The Babe"...............http://kdka.com/topstories/topstories_story_131174555.html

BBC
05-20-2006, 05:01 PM
:sigh:

It really is a shame.

83-Steelers-43
05-20-2006, 05:20 PM
I just hope he never catches Hank Aaron.

I don't see it happening. It's took him a while to get that 714. I wonder why? :rolleyes:

clevestinks
05-20-2006, 06:58 PM
Sorry guys, Go Bonds!

Suitanim
05-20-2006, 08:49 PM
:shake01::shake01::shake01::shake01::

MattsMe
05-20-2006, 09:36 PM
I still think he'd make a killing selling juicers in infomercials.

Black@Gold Forever32
05-20-2006, 10:07 PM
Sorry guys, Go Bonds!

Your not alone. I say go Bonds as well. Also congrats to the 19 year old kid that caught the ball. He will be a very rich young man soon.

Now I don't want any heated arguements from anybody about Bonds. Its your right to bash him but its also clevestinks and my right to cheer him on. I will say this Barry Bonds did bring this all on himself and has himself and only himself to blame. But this is still history. Myself I wanted to see Bonds retire and just walk away. But since he didn't I say go Barry go.

Suitanim
05-20-2006, 10:20 PM
Some people keep the plastic on their furniture when they buy it. That's their right.
Some people plaster bumper stickers all over their car. That's their right.
Some people put pink plastic flamingo's all over their lawn. That's their right.

You like Barry Bonds.

That's your right.

Black@Gold Forever32
05-20-2006, 10:32 PM
Some people keep the plastic on their furniture when they buy it. That's their right.
Some people plaster bumper stickers all over their car. That's their right.
Some people put pink plastic flamingo's all over their lawn. That's their right.

You like Barry Bonds.

That's your right.

Thats funny I like that. But you have to understand the Barry Bonds that I liked was the all around player that he used to be. Not the muscle bound roid freak that he is now. I have followed Bond's career since I was 9 years old. I'm 27 now so you do the math. I don't agree with all the things Barry Bonds has said and done throughout his career. So for people to have this dislike for him. I don't blame them. Barry Bonds brought it all on himself.

Suitanim
05-20-2006, 10:58 PM
Let's try this. Say you're dating a girl, and she's pretty cool and pretty hot, and she seems to dig you a bit. So you give her a bunch of money and stuff, tell her you pledge your undying love, etc, etc...then she leaves you.

A normal person would be unhappy.

But the chick does worse than that. She takes your money, and starts getting all kinds of plastic surgery. She hooks up with a modeling contract, and makes millions, but gives you nothing back. She also starts screwing a different guy every night. But you still love her, and nobody else understands, right?

Then you find out she's cheating on her taxes. Still on board with her?

I could go on and on, but one thing that I've realized after years and years and years of being on MB's is that even the sharpest, most intelligent dudes have blind spots. This is obviously one of yours...

Black@Gold Forever32
05-20-2006, 11:10 PM
Let's try this. Say you're dating a girl, and she's pretty cool and pretty hot, and she seems to dig you a bit. So you give her a bunch of money and stuff, tell her you pledge your undying love, etc, etc...then she leaves you.

A normal person would be unhappy.

But the chick does worse than that. She takes your money, and starts getting all kinds of plastic surgery. She hooks up with a modeling contract, and makes millions, but gives you nothing back. She also starts screwing a different guy every night. But you still love her, and nobody else understands, right?

Then you find out she's cheating on her taxes. Still on board with her?

I could go on and on, but one thing that I've realized after years and years and years of being on MB's is that even the sharpest, most intelligent dudes have blind spots. This is obviously one of yours...

Well I don't think I have a blind spot with Bonds. I know what he is and I know he cheated. But its hard turning your back on a player that I have followed since I was a kid. Alot of my favorite players are retired from my childhood. Michael Jordan was my favorite basketball player. Rod Woodson and Greg Lloyd were two of my favorite football players. Barry Bonds is the last link to my childhood. I guess I don't want it to end. So I guess I do have a blind spot with Bonds. But I just want people to understand even though I still root for the guy. I don't agree with all the things he has said and done throughout his career. Bonds brought it all on himself.

Suitanim
05-20-2006, 11:16 PM
Fair enough.

Black@Gold Forever32
05-20-2006, 11:22 PM
Fair enough.

Cool I just had to explain myself. Enough with this baseball crap anyways. Is it football season yet? I really can't wait for the season to start. Its going to very fun year again for us Steelers fans.

j-dawg
05-21-2006, 03:48 AM
my best friend teaches the piano to both barry and his daughter... she tells me that he's a very kind man... he's great with his kids and he loves his wife deeply. i've read all the posts here, and i'm not one to say that the steroid use is right. of course, nobody in mlb addressed the issue until it became a political issue. it's a competitive game and barry wasn't the only guy who's broken records (mark mcguire for instance) ... he's under contract... and that's why he's still playing. i guess there has to be a scapegoat.

clevestinks
05-21-2006, 08:03 AM
Well I don't think I have a blind spot with Bonds. I know what he is and I know he cheated. But its hard turning your back on a player that I have followed since I was a kid. Alot of my favorite players are retired from my childhood. Michael Jordan was my favorite basketball player. Rod Woodson and Greg Lloyd were two of my favorite football players. Barry Bonds is the last link to my childhood. I guess I don't want it to end. So I guess I do have a blind spot with Bonds. But I just want people to understand even though I still root for the guy. I don't agree with all the things he has said and done throughout his career. Bonds brought it all on himself.
I agree.

You cannot go back in history of baseball. And recheck everyone. How many records have been tainted? Its a done deal to me. Whether he did or didn`t does not matter. Athletes in all sports find away to cheat, not all of them, but a good number, some get away with it some don`t.

SteelerzGirl
05-21-2006, 08:23 AM
Congrats to Barry Bonds on tying Babe Ruth's HR record, I guess. It's such a shame. Bonds is a good enough athlete to have accomplished this goal w/o the use of steroids. :pity:

clevestinks
05-21-2006, 10:51 AM
Congrats to Barry Bonds on tying Babe Ruth's HR record, I guess. It's such a shame. Bonds is a good enough athlete to have accomplished this goal w/o the use of steroids. :pity:
If he took them? Right?

Black@Gold Forever32
05-21-2006, 11:29 AM
I agree.

You cannot go back in history of baseball. And recheck everyone. How many records have been tainted? Its a done deal to me. Whether he did or didn`t does not matter. Athletes in all sports find away to cheat, not all of them, but a good number, some get away with it some don`t.

I agree. Gaylord Perry was famous for putting stuff on the baseball. He is in the Hall of Fame. So its not like Barry Bonds is the first great player to cheat. It is a shame though he didn't have to. He was great player regardless.

SteelerzGirl
05-21-2006, 07:23 PM
If he took them? Right?

Uh, yea, okay...(lol). :wink:

Black@Gold Forever32
05-21-2006, 08:02 PM
Uh, yea, okay...(lol). :wink:

Its normal for someone's head size to grow like that.:rolleyes:

SteelerzGirl
05-21-2006, 08:23 PM
:rofl:

Riiiiiiiight...(lol). :wink:

Black@Gold Forever32
05-21-2006, 08:24 PM
:rofl:

Riiiiiiiight...(lol). :wink:

Thought you would get a laugh out of that.:bouncy:

clevestinks
05-22-2006, 03:22 PM
Its normal for someone's head size to grow like that.:rolleyes:
HGH a substanc ethat is not tested in baseball, will give you growth in places like your forehead.

I`m not saying that he didn`t take roids, it just has not been proven.

Black@Gold Forever32
05-22-2006, 08:15 PM
HGH a substanc ethat is not tested in baseball, will give you growth in places like your forehead.

I`m not saying that he didn`t take roids, it just has not been proven.

I'm a Barry Bonds fan. I was just making a joke. Your right it hasn't been proven that Barry took roids. But he was on the record of saying he unknowingly took roids.

The thing is everybody from Bud Selig to the fans of Major League Baseball knew what was going on. How couldn't you with the players getting bigger and baseballs flying out of ballparks at record numbers. But in 1998 during that magical season in which Big Mac and Sosa slugged it out for the home crown. Everybody watched with a blind eye since those two brought Baseball back.

Of course the commish and the owners didn't care since people were coming to the ball park again. It was all about money and the only reason there is a steroid policy in place is thanks to congress. If congress hadn't stepped in I doubt the owners or Bud Selig would have put one in place.

Thats why I really don't care if these players ever did use steroids. They are grown adults. The can do what they want. Plus the players had been doing it for years. But all of sudden it was a big deal. But I will say this I'm glad there is a policy in place now. But it shouldn't have took so long. The people in charge of Major League Baseball should have stepped in years ago and nipped the steroid problem in the butt before it became this big of a monster. But like I said it was all about money. As long as the owners and Selig were making money they didn't care.

83-Steelers-43
05-28-2006, 05:27 PM
Steroid boy passes The Babe with 715

tony hipchest
05-28-2006, 05:31 PM
Steroid boy passes The Babe with 715 what??? and fox didnt halt nascar pre-race coverage to show it? either fox is slipping or they know not to inte.....oh wait. they just showed an update and the hit #715.

Ambridge
05-28-2006, 06:05 PM
what??? and fox didnt halt nascar pre-race coverage to show it? either fox is slipping or they know not to inte.....oh wait. they just showed an update and the hit #715.

Bonds had a full count and the dumbass pitcher put a grapefruit right over the middle of the plate.:dang:
How nauseating to see a stadium full of DELUDED Giants fans standing and applauding a jaded and bogus homerun total.

3 to be 4
05-28-2006, 06:36 PM
THAT MEANS BARRY BONDS IS BETTER THAN BABE RUTH, RIGHT????????

RIGHT????????????????


hello? (crickets)

Suitanim
05-28-2006, 06:54 PM
Will he do us all a favor and retire now? Since he's off the juice, he has no chance of breaking the record, so why keep playing?

tony hipchest
05-28-2006, 07:32 PM
who will he play for next year as DH? (see gun for hire r. clements)

Suitanim
05-28-2006, 07:37 PM
Who would want him? Since he's stopped juicing, he's batting .250, and is only on track to hit 25 or so HR's this year, with maybe 80 ribbies. You could pay a busher 500k up from AA ball who'd not only be more productive, but also save you 9.5 million a year.

tony hipchest
05-28-2006, 07:57 PM
Who would want him? .

the yankees. see giambi and sheffield.

Suitanim
05-28-2006, 08:11 PM
He's done...

3 to be 4
05-28-2006, 08:12 PM
You know, i never think to ask this since its been like, a million years ago, but what do Pirates fans feel about all this? You guys remember him as a skinny, fast, ass hole, as opposed to the juiced up, big-head, home run bopping ass hole of now. You ,of all folks, must see what a joke his body is now.

Suitanim
05-28-2006, 08:15 PM
The only people defending him are current Giants fans and old-school Pirates fans...

Lyn
05-28-2006, 08:46 PM
Thank God it is over, will we stil have to hear about him? Or will the media shuit the hell up? You are right I am dreaming.

3 to be 4
05-29-2006, 10:03 AM
A bad American League team that needs to sell tickets and can afford (from a competiveness standpoint) to waste a roster spot on his washed-up arse.


the Royals are too cheap to spend the money. although he would fit in with their brilliant rebuilding strategy.

clevestinks
05-29-2006, 10:48 AM
Bonds is finally being cheered after going yard!

83-Steelers-43
05-30-2006, 07:48 AM
It was funny watching him hit 715 and while walking into the dugout not one of his teammates came up and congradulated him. Speaks volumes.

83-Steelers-43
01-11-2007, 04:21 PM
Bonds failed amphetamine test
By The Associated Press
Thursday, January 11, 2007


NEW YORK (AP) - Barry Bonds failed a test for amphetamines last season and originally blamed it on a teammate, the Daily News reported today.

When first informed of the positive test, Bonds attributed it to a substance he had taken from teammate Mark Sweeney's locker, the New York City newspaper said, citing several unnamed sources.

"I have no comment on that," Bonds' agent Jeff Borris told the Daily News on Wednesday night.

"Mark was made aware of the fact that his name had been brought up," Sweeney's agent Barry Axelrod told the Daily News. "But he did not give Barry Bonds anything, and there was nothing he could have given Barry Bonds."

Bonds, who always has maintained he never has tested positive for illegal drug use, already is under investigation for lying about steroid use.

A federal grand jury is investigating whether the 42-year-old Bonds perjured himself when he testified in 2003 in the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative steroid distribution case that he never knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs. The San Francisco Giants slugger told a 2003 federal grand jury that he believed his trainer Greg Anderson had provided him flaxseed oil and arthritic balm, not steroids.

Under baseball's amphetamines policy, which went into effect last season, players are not publicly identified for a first positive test. A second positive test for amphetamines results in a 25-game suspension. The first failed steroids test costs a player 50 games.

Bonds did not appeal the positive test, according to the Daily News, which made him subject to six drug tests by MLB over the next six months.

"We're not in a position to confirm or deny, obviously," MLB spokesman Rich Levin told the Daily News.

According to the newspaper, Sweeney learned of the Bonds' positive test from Gene Orza, chief operating officer of the Major League Baseball Players Association. Orza told Sweeney, the paper said, that he should remove any troublesome substances from his locker and should not share said substances. Sweeney said there was nothing of concern in his locker, according to the Daily News' sources.

An AP message for Sweeney was not immediately returned late Wednesday.

The Giants still are working to finalize complicated language in Bonds' $16 million, one-year contract for next season — a process that has lasted almost a month since he agreed to the deal Dec. 7 on the last day of baseball's winter meetings.

The language still being negotiated concerns the left fielder's compliance with team rules, as well as what would happen if he were to be indicted or have other legal troubles.

Borris has declined to comment on the negotiations. He didn't immediately return a message from the AP on Wednesday night.

Bonds is set to begin his 15th season with the Giants only 22 home runs shy of surpassing Hank Aaron's career record of 755.

Bonds, considered healthy again following offseason surgery on his troublesome left elbow, has spent 14 of his 21 big league seasons with San Francisco and helped the Giants draw 3 million fans in all seven seasons at their waterfront ballpark.

After missing all but 14 games in 2005 following three operations on his right knee, Bonds batted .270 with 26 homers and 77 RBIs in 367 at-bats in 2006. He passed Babe Ruth to move into second place on the career home run list May 28.

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Big D
01-11-2007, 04:54 PM
I think this is going to send a mob of federal investigators to put an end to mr bonds. I cant wait for everything to be exposed and all of his record will be erased.

BlacknGold76
02-04-2007, 11:33 PM
I think this is going to send a mob of federal investigators to put an end to mr bonds. I cant wait for everything to be exposed and all of his record will be erased.

Couldn't happen to a better guy. The one and only major name poster child for BALCO industries.:flap: :flap: :flap:

Godfather
02-05-2007, 09:21 AM
Funny, how come Sweeney didn't test positive if those were his drugs??

Selig needs to suspend Barroid for the 2007 season. You can't let a known cheater break Hank Aaron's record.